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TenQ:
I asked a simple question now!

The JW believe that their Jehovah is not Omnipresent. If he is not Omnipresent, he must be somewhere in space and time.

So, the question is very valid sir.


Where Resides the "Jehovah" of the JW before he Created Anything




Every wrong doctrine break down under interrogation!

I don't know what you mean by "their Jehovah"

But there is only one God who is YHVH (Jehovah) and there is no other YHVH.

As for where He is, haven't you read, it is written in Isa.57.15 The high and lofty one who inhabits eternity, the Holy One, says this: "I live in that high and holy place with those whose spirits are contrite and humble. I refresh the humble and give new courage to those with repentant hearts.

Have you not heard? Ps.24.3 Who may ascend the hill of the LORD(YHVH)? Who may stand in his holy place?

Thankgod89:
Before the creation of heaven and earth, God existed in His eternal and infinite nature. He is not confined by space or time, as He is the One who created them. To understand this more fully, let’s examine how the Bible describes His existence in various ways.

1. God Exists Beyond Creation

The Bible makes it clear that God existed before the universe and is not bound by physical space.

Psalm 90:2 – "Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever you had formed the earth and the world, from everlasting to everlasting you are God."

Isaiah 57:15 – "For thus says the high and lofty One that inhabits eternity, whose name is Holy."


These verses reveal that God is eternal and exists beyond human understanding of time and space. He inhabits eternity, not a specific location.

2. God Is Spirit (Not Limited by Space)

God’s nature is spiritual, meaning He is not confined to physical dimensions.

John 4:24 – "God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."


Since places and physical locations were part of creation, God did not "reside" in a specific place before creation. Instead, He existed in His own divine, infinite being.

3. Heaven Was Created by God (It Is Not His Original "Home"

Heaven, like earth, was created by God and had a beginning.

Genesis 1:1 – "In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth."

Since heaven itself was created, God did not dwell there before its existence. His presence is not dependent on a created place.

4. God’s Presence Fills Everything

Even after creating heaven and earth, God remains limitless and cannot be contained by any space.

Jeremiah 23:24 – "Do I not fill heaven and earth? declares the Lord."

1 Kings 8:27 – "Behold, heaven and the highest heaven cannot contain you."


God’s presence is everywhere, transcending all space and time. He does not "live" in a particular place but rather fills and sustains all creation.

tenq did you read this response?

TenQ:
The answer is extremely simple and built into the Trinity. What did Jesus teach?

God is SPIRIT (the infinite Spirit) who is EVERYWHERE.
John 4:24:
"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth."

As the Holy Spirit, God is INVISIBLE either on the earth (Physical Realm) or the heavens (Spiritual realm). The Holy Spirit is like AIR (RUACH) whose Presence through His actions can only be felt. In other words, the Holy Spirit is the Omnipresent existence of God.

Thus, the whole of the Universe (Physical and Spiritual) is INSIDE the Spirit of God as God the Holy Spirit is INVISIBLE

Psalm 139:7-10:
"Where can I go from Your Spirit? Or where can I flee from Your presence? If I ascend to heaven, You are there; if I make my bed in Sheol, behold, You are there. If I take the wings of the dawn, if I dwell in the remotest part of the sea, even there Your hand will lead me, and Your right hand will lay hold of me."
Jeremiah 23:24:
"Can a man hide himself in secret places so that I cannot see him? declares the Lord. Do I not fill heaven and earth? declares the Lord."


Acts 17:28a kills it by telling us that we LIVE inside God (as the Holy Spirit).
Act 17:28
"For in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said, 'For we are also His offspring.'"

The Word (The Son , Jesus) on Earth is the VISIBLE image of the invisible God, the Messanger of God's presence.

Colossians 1:15:
"He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation"

The Father is the VISIBLE image of the invisible God in the Heavens who sits on the throne in heaven to preside over it.


This is why in Genesis 19:24, Yahweh on earth could rain down fire from Yahweh in heaven.

Genesis 19:24
"Then Yahweh (on earth with Abraham) rained on Sodom and on Gomorrah sulfur and fire from Yahweh out of the heavens."


This is why in the Throne room of the FATHER in Heaven, you cannot SEE the Holy Spirit. You can only see the Father and the Word (the Lamb, the Son) because ALL EXISTENCE are inside Him


So the question of WHERE was God is misinformed because ALL existence physical and spiritual is INSIDE God.


The whole Universe physical and spiritual are all a tiny subset WITHIN God as the Holy Spirit.



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The answer isn't built into any false unscriptural and not from God term like trinity, the answer falls more in line with what MightySparrow wrote.

Which I have shared some scriptures in light to that here
https://www.nairaland.com/8342531/answering-question-god-omnipresent

But considering what you have written here that because God is Spirit therefore God is everywhere? Have you not made an incorrect assumption that because God is Spirit, He is the Spirit He sent everywhere? Is God confused or trying to confuse us by revealing He sent His spirit whereas if what you believe to be true is true that God sent Himself, then He should have clearly revealed that not just to the prophets who wrote but most especial to Jesus who said, our Father who art in heaven and that he goes back to the Father and he physically ascended to his right side...


If you base your answer upon a lie, how can your answer be true?

You make statements like, "Thus, the whole of the Universe (Physical and Spiritual) is INSIDE the Spirit of God as God the Holy Spirit is INVISIBLE"

Whereas what is written in Genesis 1:2 is that the Spirit of God moved upon the waters.

The trinity lie has blinded many it seems. Can you not differentiate when scripture refers to God's person and to God's presence and even the presence of God isn't manifested everywhere even though his spirit and eye is there.

Acts 17:28 for it is in God that we have our life,... not outside of it, that's why in verse 29 God is not an idol made by men but He made us and is the reason we live and exist. Did you not read the verse 24 God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands...

Then your mistake of saying Jesus on earth whereas Jesus is not on earth but at the right side of God our Father. Then the mistake of you calling our Father and image of himself, whereas it is Christ Jesus who is the image of God. You speak about God raining fire from the heavens and not realize that he who was upon the earth speaking to Abram wasn't God but His representative. Or is the fire that spoke to Moses God as well? Even scripture called the fire the angel of God.

Realize therefore the difference between where God is, and where his eyes and spirits are

https://www.nairaland.com/8342531/answering-question-god-omnipresent


God is high above all

Gabrielshow24:
"destroy works" through what🤨, perhaps through raising of the sword🤔.

Also this a clear diversion from the subject matter and you want us to infer that these verses allude to Christ's supposed pre-incarnate disposition to violence.

a diversion? 🤨😒🙄 is that what you call the verses you read?

Rev.2.16 Repent, or I will come to you suddenly and fight against them with the sword of my mouth.

Humanly speaking it is possible for a person not to be physically present but still have his presence felt in a meeting, be it by sending a representative or through video chat or call, or even a letter from him being read in that meeting, either as a response or as an agenda.

Like writing now, I am physically somewhere else but you can feel my presence on the platform through my words. Just like you can watch people from afar doesn't mean you are there with them.

Now does the bible teach that God is everywhere? No it doesn't... Think about the fact that Jesus said he is going back to God and physically ascended to his right side.

In the garden the bible records that Adam and Eve heard God coming. God told Moses I will descend and reveal myself.

Or you read, the heaven is His throne and the earth is His footstool.. Isaiah 66:1 or Ps.113.4 - 6
For the LORD is high above the nations; his glory is far greater than the heavens. Who can be compared with the LORD our God, who is enthroned on high? Far below him are the heavens and the earth. He stoops to look,..

God's omnipresence is by His spirit which He sends throughout the earth. Gen 6:3-5

For the eyes of the LORD run to and fro throughout the whole earth, to give strong support to those whose heart is blameless toward him. You have done foolishly in this, for from now on you will have wars.” 2Chronicles 16:9

Rev 5:6b.. having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. Zechariah 4:10, 6:5

Ps.139.7 - 8 I can never escape from your spirit! I can never get away from your presence! If I go up to heaven, you are there; if I go down to the place of the dead, you are there.

Prov.15.3 The eyes of the LORD are everywhere, keeping watch on the wicked and the good.

We see that it is not God Himself but his presence, his eyes, his spirit not He Himself. Those of us on earth have the spirit of God in us, not God Himself

Isa.57.15 The high and lofty one who inhabits eternity, the Holy One, says this: "I live in that high and holy place with those whose spirits are contrite and humble. I refresh the humble and give new courage to those with repentant hearts.

“Am I only a God nearby,” declares the Lord, “and not a God far away? Who can hide in secret places so that I cannot see them?” declares the Lord. “Do not I fill heaven and earth?” declares the Lord. Jeremiah 23: 23 - 24

Everything we do God sees, everything we say God hears but that doesn't mean God is there presently.

God heard about Sodom and Gomorrah and sent his angels down to test and judge them, and sent fire down to destroy them for their evil.

Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account. Hebrews 4: 13

When you pray in secret the one who sees in secret will reward you openly, for; Our Father who art in heaven...

M

Gabrielshow24:
what then is your posit? 🙃

Think wisely😊

1John.3.8 But when people keep on sinning, it shows they belong to the Devil, who has been sinning since the beginning. But the Son of God came to destroy these works of the Devil.

2Thess.2.8 Then the man of lawlessness will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will consume with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming.

John 14:27. Peace I leave with you; my peace I give to you. Not as the world gives do I give to you. Let not your hearts be troubled, neither let them be afraid.

Truthseeker10:
So the devil was not created as evil?

was he not created to choose?

Truthseeker10:
No...explain.

don't you have Google or a dictionary?

Truthseeker10:
But you said in your submission that Jesus is light and the devil is evil.
So if God created the devil, then God created evil and started evil on earth. Is that correct?

well don't you believe that God created the being that became devil?

Gotten the truth

John.8.31 - 32
Jesus said to the people who believed in him, "You are truly my disciples if you keep obeying my teachings. And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."

Truthseeker10:
Explain what morality is

don't you know what morality is?

Truthseeker10:
So God created bad on earth by creating the serpent and man?

did serpent and man create evil?

Truthseeker10:
So how did God create bad on earth?

This is how

Gen.2.9 And the LORD God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground-trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
(Gen.2.16 -17) And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die."

Gen.3.4 - 5 "You won't die!" the serpent hissed. "God knows that your eyes will be opened when you eat it. You will become just like God, knowing everything, both good and evil."

Gen.3.19 All your life you will sweat to produce food, until your dying day. Then you will return to the ground from which you came. For you were made from dust, and to the dust you will return."

Gen.4.7-8 If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must master it." Now Cain said to his brother Abel, "Let's go out to the field." And while they were in the field, Cain attacked his brother Abel and killed him.

Gen.6.5 The LORD saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time.

Truthseeker10:
Explain

you think morality is explain?

Truthseeker10:
What exactly is morality?

what do you think it is? 😊

Truthseeker10:
So you are saying that God created bad by creating the devil, man and serpent?

is that your answer to the question?

Truthseeker10:
How did God create bad on earth? Explain.

Haven't I?
Or did evil create itself or did man or the serpent create it?

Truthseeker10:
😂😂😂.....sorry oo....e dey pain. How did God create bad?

what, you didn't like the answer?

Zaheertyler:
Oga evangelist
I am waiting for you to explain how everything you wrote up there advances the body of Christ
Or you want to join kobojunkie?

does the revelation of Jesus Christ not advance the body of Christ?

Zaheertyler:
Nothing
that is why I’m asking you

is there a part you don't understand or you don't understand anything? 🤦
How are you supposed to be answered if you don't have a question and you don't understand anything at all? 🤷

Truthseeker10:
Oga how do you determine if an action is good or bad?

when you ignore people's questions and expect to be answered 😁

Truthseeker10:
Oga look at the question again.
How do we know if an action is bad or good? What's the standard for measuring?

did you not see mine?

Zaheertyler:
What is your point oga?

what did you understand?

Truthseeker10:
So God created bad. That's nice. How do we know if an action is bad or good? What's the standard for measuring?

don't you believe in God?
Who do you believe bad?

Truthseeker10:
😂😂so you finally agreed that God created evil. Thank you.
Since God created evil, how can we define 'evil'?

did you finally see 🤦? How do you even seek self?

How do you define evil?
Or you don't know what evil is?

"RA"- bad, evil, calamities, affliction, sorrow, adversity, harm, breaking,

Truthseeker10:
😂😂😂na wa for this man oo....you just dey jump up and down since. Oga are you saying that man and serpent created evil or it was God that created evil?

Isa.45.7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I Jehovah God do all these things.

Do you believe in God, the creator of all?
Do you want to partake in evil like Adam did?

Truthseeker10:
So are you saying that man and serpent created evil or it was God that created evil?

Do you believe in God, the creator of all?

Isaiah 45:7 He created "chosek"- darkness, misery, destruction, ignorance, sorry, wickedness, obscurity and created "ra"- bad, evil, calamities, affliction, sorrow, adversity,...

Gen 1:1-2 God created the heavens and the earth, and the earth was "tohu", "bohu" and "chosek"...

Do you want to partake of the chosek and ra like Adam?

Truthseeker10:
Ok....how did evil begin?

This is how

Gen.2.9 And the LORD God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground-trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
(Gen.2.16 -17) And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die."

Gen.3.4 - 5 "You won't die!" the serpent hissed. "God knows that your eyes will be opened when you eat it. You will become just like God, knowing everything, both good and evil."

Gen.3.19 All your life you will sweat to produce food, until your dying day. Then you will return to the ground from which you came. For you were made from dust, and to the dust you will return."

Gen.4.7-8 If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must master it." Now Cain said to his brother Abel, "Let's go out to the field." And while they were in the field, Cain attacked his brother Abel and killed him.

Gen.6.5 The LORD saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time.

Truthseeker10:
Me.

Who created evil that affects good and bad people?

so do you want God to be responsible for the evil you do?

Or you have never done anything wrong before?

Truthseeker10:
So who is responsible for the evil and suffering in the world?

who is responsible for what you do?