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richmond500:
God did not punish our slave masters, the british, those people that killed us, torture us, treated us like animals, whatever Egypt did to Israel was done to the blacks by the British.

God selective judgement is not good of a being that was supposed to be fair.
If God had any sympathy, he will not hardened the heart of pharoah and use that as an excuse to commit atrocities, it shows pharoah would have changed his mind, but ur bloodlust God hardened his heart and enjoyed the people suffer.
Tufiakwa

lol you sound like the blacks were the first ever to be enslaved. People were enslaved during the time of Abraham, during the time of Israel and even during the time of Jesus.

You said God's selective judgement, but you can't deny that God punished and judged the same Israel. I asked you for the proof that God is unfair and you mentioned blacks? Was all of Nigeria shipped and enslaved?

Do you think those who are in Britain now want to come back to Nigeria?
You sold yourselves to slavery for material things, shouldn't those who sold their brothers and sisters also be punished as well?

You now write that it God had any sympathy at all he would not have hardened Pharaoh's heart. Were you the one who made Pharaoh?

God hardens the heart of the wicked who refuse to be merciful so that they themselves do not plead for His mercy. Why should God prevent them from pleading to Him if He is as you put it, unsympathetic and wicked?

If you do wicked things and refuse to repent from them when mercy is available but continue to enjoy raping and stealing from others, accusing them and hurting them, do you think it is fair for God to let such an unrepentant person escape the consequences of his wickedness.

You keep speaking of God's fairness and sympathy but ignore that God is just as He is merciful.

Where were you when God forgave Nineveh who chose to listen and repent.

After God paid Egypt for there wickedness and Israel left with a mighty hand, was it not Pharaoh's own people that persuaded him to pursue and perish at sea. Was the split sea not enough to convince him of his foolishness.

Come to think of it. If God is that dangerous to harden a man's heart unto his destruction then what about you 🥺

No

OneOnland:
The book of Job isn't reality. It was the thought-up or fantasy of someone to teach people against something. Like a folktale (if you're Yoruba for example, I could say like a thought-up story of Ijapa to teach people/children against certain acts). The reason it was then compiled into the bible/Torah and so on, I find rather mischievous.

It is neither history, prophecy or poetry or wisdom, it is fantasy. A thought-up work of some, and Job wasn't exactly real but fictitious. I think I learnt that.

So, Gd and the villainous figure of fantasy didn't meet or so.


And the use of satan, snake, etc. in the bible could just be synonymous to "the deceiver". Any deceiver. A friend that deceives one to be disobedient to Gd, to one's father, to the law, to the authority.. any deceiver in short. Personally, I doubt Gd had any such interaction with the deceiver as no book of record said so (except the thought-up book of Job) and people's delusional stories.

So, don't be dismayed by the book of Job, dear you, or let the mischief intended with the compilation of the book of Job with the old testament weary you.

Zech.3.1 - Then the angel showed me Jeshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD. Satan was there at the angel's right hand, accusing Jeshua of many things.
Zech.3.2 - And the LORD said to Satan, "I, the LORD, reject your accusations, Satan. Yes, the LORD, who has chosen Jerusalem, rebukes you. This man is like a burning stick that has been snatched from a fire."

richmond500:
A psycopath is someone who doesn't feel remorse or sympathy for others, that is what ur God is.

He destroyed Egypt, killed children, destroyed livelihood, send plagues over the fault of a ruler but allowed our slave masters to torture, kill and maim us while turning a blind eye.
Ur God has a favourite and I am not serving such a nepostic being

I said proof not more sentimental statements based on your own view.

You said He feels no sympathy but it is written God felt sorry He let man live one earth because of his wickedness upon the face of the earth.

You speak about Egypt who did not enslave a nation they conquered through war but those who dwelt with them because they were different from them, it's like enslaving a tribe through manual labor and politics. And then they went further to kill their children even when midwives refused to do so, the Egyptians were told to do so. But your offense is not on God's judgement upon Egypt for their wickedness but because hasn't judged every slave trader the same way then he is nepotic.

Is God wrong to punish the wicked? No He isn't

Did God not punish Israel for their wickedness? Yes He did

So where is the proof of your "nepotism"

Truthseeker10:
Did you not respond to a question first?

so why not answer the question I asked you first?

doffman:
Guy , just listen to your self .

Why is it so hard to answer my question 🤣.

No be you claim Jesus was the only way to heaven 🤣.

And now you refuse to tell us where those that come before Jesus will go ?

Anyway , I know you will never answer it because you already know it will automatically invalidate your first false accusation of Jesus of being only way to heaven .

For your information , Jesus did not know you okay .

I wasn't the one you were discussing with but I will answer you.

So let it not be an issue of refusing to answer you so please don't refuse to listen.

God dwells above the heavens and Jesus is the way to Him. Those who have done well sleep in Shalom, some call it paradise some call it heaven, all waiting for the fulfillment of all of God's promises when even the heaven and the earth will pass away and a new world will come.

I don't know what your confidence is, that you know I will never answer but if you already believe such a lie how can you accept the truth that I have actually answered you?

richmond500:
meet who on judgement day?
That biblical God only exist in ur head, even if there is a God, then he is not bloodlusted as that psycopath in the bible who will flood the earth with water because people didn't believe in him, even Israel doesn't believe Jesus Christ ever existed, so why should I?
The tomb of Jesus Christ was archeologically studied and proven that the tomb existed 800yrs before Christ and the tomb doesn't belong to the biblical Jesus, so there is no prove that Jesus ever existed.
And u want me to believe by faith he existed?

did God flood the earth because people did believe in him or because the wickedness of men were great upon the face of the earth?

Look is it not better to prepare to defend yourself against God peradventure he does exist. At least have knowledge to accuse Him in case you meet Him after you did. Right?

But when even on earth you lack knowledge how would you even survive a courtroom where the true record is?


Did you not read that the tomb belonged to a rich man who used to bury Jesus?

May God have mercy on those who taught you the Bible, did you ever truly listen to any reading of the Bible when you claimed you were indoctrinated?

richmond500:
Sin was found in which devil?
Didn't he create the devil?
Was I the one that created the devil? Why am I being punished for his own mistakes?

As for me, I won't follow a psycopath that won't take responsibilities for his own crime

first should you not proof he is a psychopath and a criminal like you have accused before discussing matters concerning judging Him to take responsibility

richmond500:
If we are to be frank to ourselves, we are suffering because of all the spot in the universe, God decide to plant the fruit where Adam will see it and then we will all suffer.

So because you can see the ocean does it mean you should jump into it? Even after you were told not to?

You are suffering for a wrong choice as a result of disobedience. Was he ignorant of the repercussions?

richmond500:
modified, I peruse through ur text and u are more into his point where God asked Satan to test job.

Well the fact that Satan (the bad guy) can go to the council where God sits is already too bad for me.

My main reason of leaving Christianity is because I didn't see any sin I committed that will allow the so called "ever merciful, ever loving" God to create hell for me and torture me for eternity.
That is not an attribute of a benevolent being.
That is a wicked, bloodlust psycopath

If you read the Bible yourself would you not have come across this very passage

Rev.12.10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Now I said READ READ PROPERLY
which council are you taking about
Job.1.6 One day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan the Accuser came with them.

They went to present themselves to God, and God asked Satan what he has been doing.

So which or what council are you talking about?

You left Christianity because you didn't see any sin that you committed that would make God create hell for you and torture you for eternity.

Who told you God created hell for you?

Are you evil and wicked? Do you hurt and hate without reason for your own self pleasure? Do you lie against others even when you know it hurts their feelings, probably because it makes you laugh?

Do you promise a lady love then use and abuse her, then treat her like trash?

One cannot be wicked and yet justify themselves as not been worth punishment?

Does that make any sense to you? Is that the reasoning you used to set yourself free? To excuse yourself from the possible consequences of what you do to others?


So God must be evil, or in your words "wicked, bloodlust psychopath" to punish those who practice and love evil?


You don't see any sin? Are you righteous? Then why does God's wrath against the wicked bother you?

richmond500:
I only read short texts or messages about God and faith.
That ur text is too long and will be totally boring for me to read, I may come to it when I have the time

but you want me to read a whole thread?

So you don't even know God nor what He said yet you claimed you were indoctrinated

richmond500:
I don't believe in Jesus.
I was indoctrinated and misled into religion as a child, it's a good thing I was finally free.

Most people couldn't save themselves from religious chains

And that you set yourself free by

richmond500:
yes I did.
I begin to ponder on issues that contradicts God to be all loving and all powerful, and I knew he is not what they say he is

And now when asked what does or who does God say He is? You still have no answer but you admit that you do not know.

So who exactly did you contradict?

richmond500:
Sin was found in which devil?
Didn't he create the devil?
Was I the one that created the devil? Why am I being punished for his own mistakes?

As for me, I won't follow a psycopath that won't take responsibilities for his own crime

you haven't replied are you avoiding to pondering or showing us your reason that you used to set yourself free?

gohf:
Okay,

Let's start with his intro and first point

first he defends the devil without proof, that he has never killed a single person, yet he will mention a story where he is given permission tp destroy all Job has but no permission to kill Job. The first cross examination would be, who wanted to kill and who went to kill. Or is this wrong?


I will read as much as possible but i believe there were responses in the same thread as well, were they not? Did you read their responses as well?

Now his first point
Point 1 Reading down to the book of Job, I noticed God actually went to Satan who was just chilling, placed a bet with the devil and asked him to torture Job and kill his children, I discussed this with someone and the person answered... "but God gave him ten folds of whatever he lost"... Like seriously? Giving me 10 children will just make up for the one you killed? I was not comfortable with the whole thing and felt this biblical God is egocentric and can just torture you cos he is bored.



Now this is just his first point, can your answers convince me or anyone to continue reading?

I ask you if you knew what God himself said? Do you?

Now this is what is actually recorded please read it

Job.1.6 - 12
One day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan the Accuser came with them.
"Where have you come from?" the LORD asked Satan. And Satan answered the LORD, "I have been going back and forth across the earth, watching everything that's going on." Then the LORD asked Satan, "Have you noticed my servant Job? He is the finest man in all the earth--a man of complete integrity. He fears God and will have nothing to do with evil." Satan replied to the LORD, "Yes, Job fears God, but not without good reason! You have always protected him and his home and his property from harm. You have made him prosperous in everything he does. Look how rich he is! But take away everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face!" "All right, you may test him," the LORD said to Satan. "Do whatever you want with everything he possesses, but don't harm him physically." So Satan left the LORD's presence.


Now ask yourself, the person writing that point 1, did they actually read or know what is written or were they purposely trying to deceive others. If some lies about something that can easily be verified it's either they are calling those who listen and believe them fools or they themselves are actually just blind trying to guide others.


Ask yourself

Did God actually go to Satan who was just chilling?

Did God place a bet with the devil and asked him to torture Job and kill his children?

Since you said you said you pondered and set yourself free, show us by your answer how you reason and set yourself free, please.

It shouldn't be about what people say, or how they feel, he felt "this biblical God is egocentric and can just torture you cos he is bored."

So from what is written and what he said and his feeling, please tell us and answer the questions I have asked as honest as you can.

Truthseeker10:
Ok...what do you believe?

should you not answer first since you were asked first?

Truthseeker10:
You can answer the question

about what you believe?

Truthseeker10:
So when they died, where did they go before getting to heaven?

what do you believe?

SonofElElyonRet:
Do not downplay holiness. Jesus came to call all to repentance and holiness. God had always wanted us to be holy. Be ye holy for I the Lord your God am holy. Upon mount Zion there shall be deliverance and holiness.. the Holy Spirit had not been given in the Old Testament so there was no empowerment to live a holy life. It is the Holy Spirit that gives us power to be holy. As many as are led by the Spirit of God they are the sons (and daughters) of God. As many as believe on Him (Jesus) to them He gave power (the Holy Spirit) to become the sons of God. Ye shall receive power after the Holy Spirit is come upon you.. one may in the beginning falter but God expects spiritual growth and not a perpetual life of spiritual infancy. Anyone who truly loves God and has faith in God would hate sin. How can the Holy Spirit dwell in you if you live a life of sin? The Holy Spirit will certainly depart from a life of constant sin and iniquity.. that is why Paul said I do not frustrate the grace of God upon my life. Jesus said if you love me, keep my commandments. "Holiness unto the Lord"

I agree with what you have written

But

Ps.51.11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.

God's spirit has been holy from the beginning but the Holy spirit didn't dwell in men but came upon them under the old testament

But we can't compare a gift that has been paid for and dwells in us, with one that can be taken away at any time due to sin

Vinnie2000:
How about when a Person decide to Take just a Pint and suddenly and Unfortunately get Intoxicated.

Is that a Sin?

if he falls asleep then why should that be a sin, who has he wronged? God or his neighbors?

But if he becomes intoxicated and starts revealing secrets, abusing others and causing harm to others, obviously he has done wrong even though he was under the influence of alcohol of which he willing took.

So he ought to APOLOGIZE and SEEK FORGIVENESS from everyone who hurt through his actions and carelessness.

phemmyfour:
You are using your brain to interprete now, you will fall into interpretation error. Stick to what the Bible says

but Ruke is right obedience isnt easy without faith. Isn't it faith that makes one willing to obey?

And like he wrote, obedience is the evidence of one's faith, like James wrote in the new testament.

phemmyfour:
Like take your son and sacrifice for me?

Leave your comfort zone to a new land where I would show you?

These instructions doesn't make sense by human understanding. Righteousness isn't easy without faith

true, it takes faith for one to be right before God and do what is right even when it is difficult.

doffman:
So those that come before Jesus will also not reach God right ?

Dey play and it will be clear and you will know the truth at the right time .

those that came before Jesus believed that only God can provide the way back to Him and God did fulfilling the promise He spoke from the beginning that the seed of the woman will crush the head of the serpent.

God sent His lamb that the righteous may be restored to life that they lost through the devil, but this time they receive eternal life. A promise that covers all who obey God and do what is right in His eyes.

Jughead29:
Sperm testing for fertility is through masturbation

Is that a sin to you?

Masturbation is bad but stop giving wrong information using the Holy Book

it is not a sin, is just that excess of it, is bad. Excess of sex self is bad it can even kill someone

AbuTwins:
What's the custom? That the widow marries the dead one's brother.

That's the betrothal!

Tamar belongs to Shelah after Onan died. She doesn't belong to Judah.

Oga betrothal is an arrangement, bearing children to carry man's name was an obligation.

Do you see God punishing anyone for refusing to marry someone else?

Did God punish the man who refused Ruth before Boaz married her?

Stop twisting scripture Mr. Abu

Vinnie2000:
You have not answered the Question.

In a Party, If a Christian decide in himself or herself to Take just 2 bottles of an Alcoholic Drink, stick to the plan and does NOT get drunk
Has he or she Sinned?

Phil.4.5 Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand.

1Pet.4.3 For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:

It is very clear na, EXCESS wine is wrong, if you take it in moderation and it doesn't control you and make you hurt and harm others you have not sinned

AbuTwins:
I should be the one to tell to read what is actually written.

Judah told Tamar to go home and wait for Shelah to mature so that they can get married!

Is that not a form of betrothal?

it is not, you don't bethrol a widow, no bride price would be paid, she already belongs to the family who paid for her.

If such was betrothal, then Boaz should not have married Ruth.

AbuTwins:
She was supposed to marry Shelah but as Shelah was young at that time she was sent back to her father's house as a widow in wait for Shelah to mature! Judah actually didn't want Shelah too to die.

A long time passed Tamar heard her father in law was passing by and lay in wait for him as a prostitute. The man ended up impregnating her.

Judah wanted to punish her for her infidelity until he found out he was the culprit!

which infidelity? who was she married to?
Or you don't know what prostitution is again. Read what is actually written and stop making things up

Happy Sunday, hope you showed enough love on Friday and still have enough for today 😊

Harry00:
Hello sir what happened to Tamar after the death of Onan

Gen.38.14 - 27

Tamar was aware that Shelah had grown up, but they had not called her to come and marry him. So she changed out of her widow's clothing and covered herself with a veil to disguise herself. Then she sat beside the road at the entrance to the village of Enaim, which is on the way to Timnah. Judah noticed her as he went by and thought she was a prostitute, since her face was veiled.

About three months later, word reached Judah that Tamar, his daughter-in-law, was pregnant as a result of prostitution. "Bring her out and burn her!" Judah shouted. But as they were taking her out to kill her, she sent this message to her father-in-law: "The man who owns this identification seal and walking stick is the father of my child. Do you recognize them?" Judah admitted that they were his and said, "She is more in the right than I am, because I didn't keep my promise to let her marry my son Shelah." But Judah never slept with Tamar again. In due season the time of Tamar's delivery arrived, and she had twin sons.

drnoel:
He was talking about Loth and his daughters. There was no imagination there.
Simple bible facts.
If you don't have an answer, don't castigate.

Lot is Onan? 🙄🤨😒

richmond500:
Can you take ur time to read this thread below and see the atrocities commited by God?

https://www.nairaland.com/8213471/why-stopped-going-church-believing

Okay,

Let's start with his intro and first point

The devil who was the bad guy has never killed a single person, but God has tortured and killed many just because he felt like it

first he defends the devil without proof, that he has never killed a single person, yet he will mention a story where he is given permission tp destroy all Job has but no permission to kill Job. The first cross examination would be, who wanted to kill and who went to kill. Or is this wrong?

I'll give few points to support my claim why he is not real and if he is, then there is a bigger problem.

I will read as much as possible but i believe there were responses in the same thread as well, were they not? Did you read their responses as well?

Now his first point
Point 1 Reading down to the book of Job, I noticed God actually went to Satan who was just chilling, placed a bet with the devil and asked him to torture Job and kill his children, I discussed this with someone and the person answered... "but God gave him ten folds of whatever he lost"... Like seriously? Giving me 10 children will just make up for the one you killed? I was not comfortable with the whole thing and felt this biblical God is egocentric and can just torture you cos he is bored.



Now this is just his first point, can your answers convince me or anyone to continue reading?

I ask you if you knew what God himself said? Do you?

Now this is what is actually recorded please read it

Job.1.6 - 12
One day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan the Accuser came with them.
"Where have you come from?" the LORD asked Satan. And Satan answered the LORD, "I have been going back and forth across the earth, watching everything that's going on." Then the LORD asked Satan, "Have you noticed my servant Job? He is the finest man in all the earth--a man of complete integrity. He fears God and will have nothing to do with evil." Satan replied to the LORD, "Yes, Job fears God, but not without good reason! You have always protected him and his home and his property from harm. You have made him prosperous in everything he does. Look how rich he is! But take away everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face!" "All right, you may test him," the LORD said to Satan. "Do whatever you want with everything he possesses, but don't harm him physically." So Satan left the LORD's presence.


Now ask yourself, the person writing that point 1, did they actually read or know what is written or were they purposely trying to deceive others. If some lies about something that can easily be verified it's either they are calling those who listen and believe them fools or they themselves are actually just blind trying to guide others.


Ask yourself

Did God actually go to Satan who was just chilling?

Did God place a bet with the devil and asked him to torture Job and kill his children?

Since you said you said you pondered and set yourself free, show us by your answer how you reason and set yourself free, please.

It shouldn't be about what people say, or how they feel, he felt "this biblical God is egocentric and can just torture you cos he is bored."

So from what is written and what he said and his feeling, please tell us and answer the questions I have asked as honest as you can.

doffman:
The God of Jesus and all prophets right ?

yes YHVH yod-hey-waw-hey

doffman:
Dey play .


Which God are you talking about ?

Is it the god they nailed on the wood or the real powerful God that created everybody ?



🚶‍♂️

it should be the one true God who created all

richmond500:
yes I did.
I begin to ponder on issues that contradicts God to be all loving and all powerful, and I knew he is not what they say he is

and what did God Himself say He is?

If you set yourself free by pondering on issues that contradict God, then would you care to share one of those issues with us and the contradiction you found.

sylve11:
I don't understand. Jesus set who free?

those under the new covenant which is made by the blood of Jesus.