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Vinnie2000:
You have not answered the Question.

In a Party, If a Christian decide in himself or herself to Take just 2 bottles of an Alcoholic Drink, stick to the plan and does NOT get drunk
Has he or she Sinned?

Phil.4.5 Let your moderation be known unto all men. The Lord is at hand.

1Pet.4.3 For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:

It is very clear na, EXCESS wine is wrong, if you take it in moderation and it doesn't control you and make you hurt and harm others you have not sinned

AbuTwins:
I should be the one to tell to read what is actually written.

Judah told Tamar to go home and wait for Shelah to mature so that they can get married!

Is that not a form of betrothal?

it is not, you don't bethrol a widow, no bride price would be paid, she already belongs to the family who paid for her.

If such was betrothal, then Boaz should not have married Ruth.

AbuTwins:
She was supposed to marry Shelah but as Shelah was young at that time she was sent back to her father's house as a widow in wait for Shelah to mature! Judah actually didn't want Shelah too to die.

A long time passed Tamar heard her father in law was passing by and lay in wait for him as a prostitute. The man ended up impregnating her.

Judah wanted to punish her for her infidelity until he found out he was the culprit!

which infidelity? who was she married to?
Or you don't know what prostitution is again. Read what is actually written and stop making things up

Happy Sunday, hope you showed enough love on Friday and still have enough for today 😊

Harry00:
Hello sir what happened to Tamar after the death of Onan

Gen.38.14 - 27

Tamar was aware that Shelah had grown up, but they had not called her to come and marry him. So she changed out of her widow's clothing and covered herself with a veil to disguise herself. Then she sat beside the road at the entrance to the village of Enaim, which is on the way to Timnah. Judah noticed her as he went by and thought she was a prostitute, since her face was veiled.

About three months later, word reached Judah that Tamar, his daughter-in-law, was pregnant as a result of prostitution. "Bring her out and burn her!" Judah shouted. But as they were taking her out to kill her, she sent this message to her father-in-law: "The man who owns this identification seal and walking stick is the father of my child. Do you recognize them?" Judah admitted that they were his and said, "She is more in the right than I am, because I didn't keep my promise to let her marry my son Shelah." But Judah never slept with Tamar again. In due season the time of Tamar's delivery arrived, and she had twin sons.

drnoel:
He was talking about Loth and his daughters. There was no imagination there.
Simple bible facts.
If you don't have an answer, don't castigate.

Lot is Onan? 🙄🤨😒

richmond500:
Can you take ur time to read this thread below and see the atrocities commited by God?

https://www.nairaland.com/8213471/why-stopped-going-church-believing

Okay,

Let's start with his intro and first point

The devil who was the bad guy has never killed a single person, but God has tortured and killed many just because he felt like it

first he defends the devil without proof, that he has never killed a single person, yet he will mention a story where he is given permission tp destroy all Job has but no permission to kill Job. The first cross examination would be, who wanted to kill and who went to kill. Or is this wrong?

I'll give few points to support my claim why he is not real and if he is, then there is a bigger problem.

I will read as much as possible but i believe there were responses in the same thread as well, were they not? Did you read their responses as well?

Now his first point
Point 1 Reading down to the book of Job, I noticed God actually went to Satan who was just chilling, placed a bet with the devil and asked him to torture Job and kill his children, I discussed this with someone and the person answered... "but God gave him ten folds of whatever he lost"... Like seriously? Giving me 10 children will just make up for the one you killed? I was not comfortable with the whole thing and felt this biblical God is egocentric and can just torture you cos he is bored.



Now this is just his first point, can your answers convince me or anyone to continue reading?

I ask you if you knew what God himself said? Do you?

Now this is what is actually recorded please read it

Job.1.6 - 12
One day the angels came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan the Accuser came with them.
"Where have you come from?" the LORD asked Satan. And Satan answered the LORD, "I have been going back and forth across the earth, watching everything that's going on." Then the LORD asked Satan, "Have you noticed my servant Job? He is the finest man in all the earth--a man of complete integrity. He fears God and will have nothing to do with evil." Satan replied to the LORD, "Yes, Job fears God, but not without good reason! You have always protected him and his home and his property from harm. You have made him prosperous in everything he does. Look how rich he is! But take away everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face!" "All right, you may test him," the LORD said to Satan. "Do whatever you want with everything he possesses, but don't harm him physically." So Satan left the LORD's presence.


Now ask yourself, the person writing that point 1, did they actually read or know what is written or were they purposely trying to deceive others. If some lies about something that can easily be verified it's either they are calling those who listen and believe them fools or they themselves are actually just blind trying to guide others.


Ask yourself

Did God actually go to Satan who was just chilling?

Did God place a bet with the devil and asked him to torture Job and kill his children?

Since you said you said you pondered and set yourself free, show us by your answer how you reason and set yourself free, please.

It shouldn't be about what people say, or how they feel, he felt "this biblical God is egocentric and can just torture you cos he is bored."

So from what is written and what he said and his feeling, please tell us and answer the questions I have asked as honest as you can.

doffman:
The God of Jesus and all prophets right ?

yes YHVH yod-hey-waw-hey

doffman:
Dey play .


Which God are you talking about ?

Is it the god they nailed on the wood or the real powerful God that created everybody ?



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it should be the one true God who created all

richmond500:
yes I did.
I begin to ponder on issues that contradicts God to be all loving and all powerful, and I knew he is not what they say he is

and what did God Himself say He is?

If you set yourself free by pondering on issues that contradict God, then would you care to share one of those issues with us and the contradiction you found.

sylve11:
I don't understand. Jesus set who free?

those under the new covenant which is made by the blood of Jesus.

Kalatium:
Are you a poet?

lol, at times I write but the one written there is from a song, stained glass masquerade by Casting Crowns.

triple996:
Most were simply born Christians.
If their parents were Jews, that would have been d story

not all Jews reject Jesus. The first church was mainly of Jews in their thousands from people, priests and ex-pharisees

Sleekfingers:
Is Jesus God?

No Jesus is not God, Jesus is the Christ, the son of the living God YHVH.

NetbizBoss:
You would have asked, what message brought you to the lie'Jesus'

There was no letter J during the time of the so called Jesus. How come he bears the name starting with J ?

The white people took our story change names, converted to thier own and sell to us

Yeshua, Yahoshua. Yasha, Joshua does it really matter.

They translated most Yod into J, and it is more important to know the son of the one true living God and listen and obey God's word through him, is it not?

MikeMicheal:
No message brought me to Jesus, I was indoctrinated from birth and the choice was made for me.
Now i have decided to abandon that indoctrination and choose for myself!!

if you were taught from birth, was it because they hated you or because they loved you?

Sleekfingers:
Another brainwashed people topic. ......

do you call those who believe in God and do what is right, brainwashed?

derico:
The Bible, just like the Law, brought about the consciousness of sin...and same Bible gave you "Eternal" salvation in Christ/Christianity.

Without the law, there is no sin.
Without the Bible, there is no sin in the first place.

Live free!

Sin is not your problem.
And the hope of financial prosperity in the gospel, is unfounded.
Religion is not the extra advantage that makes people excel in life.

without the law there was sin, for even before the laws of Moses was given there was sin

Rom.2.12 For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law.

Please read
Rom.7.7 - 20

Well then, am I suggesting that the law of God is evil? Of course not! The law is not sinful, but it was the law that showed me my sin. I would never have known that coveting is wrong if the law had not said, "Do not covet."

But sin took advantage of this law and aroused all kinds of forbidden desires within me! If there were no law, sin would not have that power.

I felt fine when I did not understand what the law demanded.

Sin used the law to bring more condemnation and more desires for men to rebel against God, and for those who do not know the law, they feel they are okay, the feel they are fine and they have life they live in a lie unaware of the death awaiting them

But when I learned the truth, I realized I had broken the law and was a sinner, doomed to die.

So the good law, which was supposed to show me the way of life, instead gave me the death penalty.

Sin took advantage of the law and fooled me; it took the good law and used it to make me guilty of death. But still, the law itself is holy and right and good.

But how can that be? Did the law, which is good, cause my doom? Of course not! Sin used what was good to bring about my condemnation. So we can see how terrible sin really is. It uses God's good commandment for its own evil purposes.

The law is good, then. The trouble is not with the law but with me, because I am sold into slavery, with sin as my master. I don't understand myself at all, for I really want to do what is right, but I don't do it. Instead, I do the very thing I hate.

I know perfectly well that what I am doing is wrong, and my bad conscience shows that I agree that the law is good. But I can't help myself, because it is sin inside me that makes me do these evil things. I know I am rotten through and through so far as my old sinful nature is concerned. No matter which way I turn, I can't make myself do right. I want to, but I can't.

When I want to do good, I don't. And when I try not to do wrong, I do it anyway. But if I am doing what I don't want to do, I am not really the one doing it; the sin within me is doing it.

donbenie:
"I'm the way the truth and the life".

The sheer amount of Delulu needed to believe that sh1t has always been mind boggling for me..

Imagine a black African so brainwashed that he believes some random white man died for his sins.

Sins originally committed by some white ancestors.

Who lived some fantastic garden located in the Middle East.

what is needed to believe that is understanding that the entrances into the mosy holy place where God's ark rests were called, the door of truth and the curtain of life. Jesus was literally saying he is the way to God and those who want to get to God have to go through him.

It's okay if you don't want to enter and meet God, but you should at least be sure that what you claim to know is actually true and not a lie. Before you reject the truth for a lie.

richmond500:
I don't believe in Jesus.
I was indoctrinated and misled into religion as a child, it's a good thing I was finally free.

Most people couldn't save themselves from religious chains

and you saved yourself from it?

Rom.4.20 Yet he did not waver through unbelief regarding the promise of God, but was strengthened in his faith and gave glory to God,...

How did Abraham not waver, it is because he asked God for help, he asked God to help him believe.

This is what is recorded in Genesis 15, when God appeared to Abram to bless him, Abram instead asked what use are the blessings when he has no child, and then God's answer was that he should count the stars if he can number them. Frankly speaking Abram believed in God and laughed at what He said, like he did in Gen 17:17 but Abram believed in God even though he doubted what he heard.


And Abram asked God for proof? Faith is evidence, can you have faith without it?

Gen.15.8 But Abram replied, "O Sovereign LORD, how can I be sure that you will give it to me?"

Abram was strengthen by the proof God showed him, God showed him the future. Abram didn't just hear God, God also made him see the future.

When we do not believe let's be like that man who came to Jesus for his son who was thrown into fire and at times into water, when he cried out to Jesus, help my unbelief.

Look God's word doesn't need our believe for it to come through, we need our believe to receive them and when we can't believe let us ask God who is speaking to us for help. Even Peter did when he waivered at the storm and fell.

According to these laws:

👉Anytime a man discharges his semen outside procreation (with his wife) he is considered unclean.

👉Any type of surface a man's semen falls upon is considered unclean.

👉When a man is in the process of procreation (with his wife) and he discharges his semen externally, both of them are unclean.

From these laws, we can see how sacred/sacrosanct man's semen is to God.

First off why what you have written is a lie

Lev.15.16 "Whenever a man has an emission of semen, he must wash his entire body, and he will remain ceremonially defiled until evening.

It doesn't matter how he released his sperm, be it masturbation or during sex, he is unclean till evening. Not that the laws of uncleanliness matter anymore seeing Jesus has set us free from those laws and has cleansed us. But you twist the scriptures for your own message and purpose.

Then you lie that, "God killed Onan because he in outright disobedience, desecrated his semen by pouring it out on the floor instead of procreating with Tamar."

Whereas God killed him for his selfish wickedness. You do not understand the law nor do you know God. Because if you did you wouldn't write such

Lev.15.18 - After having sexual intercourse, both the man and the woman must bathe, and they will remain defiled until evening.

Did you even read the verses you quoted. Ah you are an example of why those who attend church must READ whatever is been quoted

Gen.38.9 - 10
But Onan was not willing to have a child who would not be his own heir. So whenever he had intercourse with Tamar, he spilled the semen on the ground to keep her from having a baby who would belong to his brother.
But the LORD considered it a wicked thing for Onan to deny a child to his dead brother. So the LORD took Onan's life, too.


And Abutwins, this is what is written

Gen.38.7 But Er was a wicked man in the LORD's sight, so the LORD took his life.

AbuTwins:
Abeg which kind custom is that for a brother to sleep with his brother's widow to produce offspring for him even if he doesn't want to?

Na by force?

And it's not only Onan! The father later slept with the same woman pretending as an harlot and she got pregnant. He wanted to punish her untill he realised he was the culprit.

God punished the sinful first son with death!
God punished the second with death!
The father committed adultery and incest but was forgiven!

How is such fair?

What are you even writing about, have you ever read the Bible before?

Or you are making things up again from your imagination?

Can you transform a church whose foundation isn't Christ, it is different when they struggle or fail in one or two areas but when their very foundation is destroyed what will the righteous do?

When people choose stay and keep up the performance each wearing their own masquerade, will you drag them out of their act?

Have you heard the song stained glass masquerade by Casting Crowns.

When people's definition of faith is to lie instead of to listen, when it is what we say rather than what God is saying. When faith comes from within and not from hearing God, what should we expect when the very gospel preached and practiced is a lie.

Even if you speak the truth, you would even be made to feel even worse

"Everybody seems so strong
I know they'll soon discover
That I don't belong"

"I play the part again
So everyone will see me
The way that I see them"

It's only when no one is watching

"Can we really fall apart
Or would it set me free
If I dared to let you see
The truth behind the person
That you imagine me to be?
Or would your arms be open?
Or would you walk away?
Or would the love of Jesus
Be enough to make you stay?"


The sad thing is people choose to stay in those places you tagged, "hypocrital churches" till one day they can't tell the truth anymore and become like one of those who did what they once felt "but this is wrong"

Don't act thoughtlessly, but try to understand what the Lord wants you to do. Don't be drunk with wine, because that will ruin your life. Instead, let the Holy Spirit fill and control you. (Ephesians 5:17-18)

The message that brought you to Jesus can you remember it?

This question is may be tough to answer, even for me, many don't even remember the day or period they surrendered all to Jesus. Well I can't understand how anyone can forget the day they choose to die, the day they choose to forsake all and follow Jesus, the day they made a vow and commitment except they never took it seriously or it wasn't a serious moment in their lives. Paul would repeat his encounter a number of times as we read through acts, to show how much of an impact that was in his decision to follow Jesus. But do you know Paul may not have remembered Stephen's words and prayer he heard.

Personally my answer to that question honestly is no, I don't remember the exact message but I remember my encounter with Jesus. Infact I remember the answer a new convert from a federal boys school in Lagos, gave one day and because of that answer he is one of the few names I remember from highschool, what did he say that day, "speak the truth in love". I remember incidents like these because they formed the echoes of the words that rang in my heart for years.

This is what I want to say to those who evangelize, it doesn't matter how people react when you preach, just trust the Holy Spirit he does the work you cannot do, just obey God and go, obey God and speak. Forget about the bad boy or girl everyone once saw you as, and let God put his words in your mouth. Your message may be the key to unlock the soul of someone.

Some of you it may have been the words of your parents, the words of someone in a bus or some friend you may not even remember. But today I hope you remember that you encountered Jesus because someone else let God use them and so let someone else encounter Jesus because of you. That my friends is love at work through you. God bless you

TenQ:
According to Prov 15:3 where is the eyes of Jehovah?

Proverbs 15:3
The eyes of the Lord are everywhere, keeping watch on the wicked and the good.”

have you read my answer here
https://www.nairaland.com/8342531/answering-question-god-omnipresent
Or are you being evasive?

TenQ:
The answer is either YES or NO sir!

See how evasive you've become because you can't accept the truth. Are you AFRAID of committing yourself?

Again:
Is your own Jehovah Omnipresent?

if I have been evasive as you have claimed, why haven't you answered any of the simple questions as well?

Baldwretch:
This is a very serious question and should not be taken with levity whatsoever because everything in Islam rises and falls with this claim.

Let me reiterate the question once more to my beautiful Muslim readers here: If a lying, top-ranked spirit impersonates the angel Gabriel (Jubril) claiming that he is, in fact, angel Gabriel, the holy one sent from God, how would Muhammad tell the difference? Or what if the spirit that communicated with Muhammad had been sent by the devil to disrupt God's earthly government and is claiming to be God's, how would you know? Or what if the spirit is, in fact, sent (from God) as a lying spirit for other purposes?

If a man I had never seen before claims he is Donald Trump, how would I tell he is telling the truth or he is lying? Well, that would be easy peasy since I have seen Donald Trump's images and portraits on many occasions, but spirits might be virtually indistinguishable to humans, not just because we do not have senses that correctly identify them (maybe by their name as the case may be) independent of what the spirit says or claims he is, but for many reasons beyond us.

If a man comes forward on this thread claiming that he is Joshua Bidemi; well, how would I know that he is telling me the truth or he is lying irrespective of what his username or his previous comments says? Well, the truth is, I would not know. I would have to be under some "powers" sort of to correctly identify factual claims of this sorts. Maybe the more important question then is, how do we know that Muhammad isn't under some demonic influence to tell apart a factual information that cannot be known by the senses? If God or the devil did, in fact, possessed him to identify this angel, how would he or even us know who's doing the possession? even in this day and age, people get demon possessed a lot, quite a lot. What if he was demon possessed to correctly or incorrectly identify the angel?

A claim of revelation from a specific angel is a very, very, very tall claim.

If angel Gabriel does, in fact, appear to me right now as I type this, and says he is angel Gabriel, how would I know? To be quite frank, I would not know and neither would you. I would have to take him at his words, accepting in blind faith whatever he says about himself because there is no way to scrutinize or examine a metaphysical being or examine the claims they make. If he is lying I wouldn't know. If he is telling the truth, I wouldn't know. I would just have to believe whatever he says.

Believing whatever he says is not as important as who he is, in fact. We have to be cleared on who he is first before believing whatever he says since impersonation is quite a real possibility.

I would appreciate responses.

You see, a claim of revelation from a prophet is not enough because even the devil could reveal himself to whom he wants to deceive as is evident from demon possessed humans who do evil stuff at the behest of the devil.

Some throw themselves into the fire, into water; some eat sand, eat poo, and do other unthinkable things at the devil's command or under his influence. How can it be said that the spirit that possessed Muhammad is not one of them?

I believe in God, and you question is truly a weighty one but may I ask you, have you ever read the contents of "Muhammad's revelation" I for one haven't, but I believe it is from the content that one may see if it's false or not. Does it contradict what Gabriel said to Daniel, Zecharias and Mary?

One thing I do not agree with that I have heard from some Muslim interpreters of their scriptures is that Muhammad is the last prophet or that he is the promised comforter from Jesus.

I believe that if indeed Muhammad received a divine revelation from God it is also highly possible for men to also corrupt such said prophecy.

And I would like harqinhola, to comment on this as well. I do consider his response if truly accurate as I do not know for sure, but if indeed Muhammad was such a man it would be unlikely for him to lie about such an incident as what was he to gain. Well he did conquer nations which is very opposite from every other prophet recorded in the scriptures.

Now "The Message’s Consistency and Ethical Standards" is a valid point but such would also be the case for Buddhism as well shouldn't it, from the little I have heard about it. Justice, kindness and the like. Preaching morals as been a norm in many religions but actually achieving it, ah well.

I know there are those who purposely try to paint Muslims in a bad light, but since the question is focused on if the spirit that spoke to Muhammad was from God or from the devil, I believe we can only answer it this way. What was the purpose of the revelation?

Was it praising Muhammad or was it saying that only God can save us as long as we obey Him? And does obeying God entail we being wicked to others and doing evil as an excuse for our religious beliefs.

Abraham called the first prophet in the Bible and the focus of the revelation through him was about the promise of salvation from God.

Now I also heard that the Quran states that God already forgave Adam and Eve therefore there's no need for any reconciliation back to God, maybe not exactly written that way but some teach that as well. Now if forgiveness was already given, it nullifies the very purpose of the promise given to Abraham about blessing all the nations through his seed.

Now I do not put it past the devil to fabricate a very brilliant very detailed lie that removes the one thing that truly brings salvation, God's word and promise. Devil is capable of making people jump off roof tops based on misunderstanding Psalm 91.


There as to be an explanation from the revelation that reveal God's plan for salvation of which we can say it is genuinely from God or not.

TenQ:
This is NOT the Question: I didn't ask you if God was more than one.

Again:
Is your own Jehovah Omnipresent?

have you never read that in your bible before?

If you had read would you not understand, would you parade your ignorance as your arrogance.
https://www.nairaland.com/8342531/answering-question-god-omnipresent

Even the word of God you quote denies you.

I did not send these prophets, yet they have run with their message; I did not speak to them, yet they have prophesied. But if they had stood in my council, they would have proclaimed my words to my people and would have turned them from their evil ways and from their evil deeds. “Am I only a God nearby,” declares the Lord, “and not a God far away? Who can hide in secret places so that I cannot see them?” declares the Lord. “Do not I fill heaven and earth?” declares the Lord. “I have heard what the prophets say who prophesy lies in my name. They say, ‘I had a dream! I had a dream!’ Jeremiah 23: 21 - 25

My eyes are on all their ways; they are not hidden from me, nor is their sin concealed from my eyes. Jeremiah 16: 17

For your ways are in full view of the Lord, and he examines all your paths. Proverbs 5: 21

“The eyes of the Lord are everywhere, keeping watch on the wicked and the good.” Proverbs 15:3

Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of Him to whom we must give account. Hebrews 4:13


Yet you do not understand, no you refuse to understand, no you had been made to not understand because if understanding had been given to you, you wouldn't argue blindly against what has been written clearly.