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Janosky:

'Uncreated angel" doesn't exist anywhere.
John W, Please allow your brain to function just once.


Did the Trinity doctrine begin with John W?
John 8:44, the devil is the father of the lie because LYING begins with him.

Likewise, Trinity doctrine began at Nicene 326 AD.
Those guys are your mentors.
Your denial makes you a proven liar.

is the issue if Jesus is created or not? And is he not denying to believe in trinity?

johnw47:
Exo_20:16  "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
Pro 14:5 A trustworthy witness will not lie, But a false witness utters lies.
Pro_19:5  A false witness will not go unpunished, And he who tells lies will not escape.
Pro_19:9  A false witness will not go unpunished, And he who tells lies will perish.
Pro_21:28  A false witness will perish,
Mar_10:19  "You know the commandments, 'DO NOT MURDER, DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, DO NOT STEAL, DO NOT BEAR FALSE WITNESS, Do not defraud, HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER.'"

^^ Rev_20:15  And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire

false jw's:
Joh 8:44 You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. WHENEVER HE SPEAKS A LIE, THAT IS HIS NATURAL WAY OF SPEAKING, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Janosky after reading some of you boths exchanges why are you accusing Johnw of believing in 3 gods?

triplechoice:
Fear merchant, unlike you who is scared of death, I'm living my life to the fullest.

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eh but I am not scared of death because dying is not the end of my life or it may also be because I have died or because we face death daily. I didn't tell you to be afraid of death, it useless to be afraid of it, but I do tell you to fear the LORD God who can kill both the body and soul in fire. If you are not afraid of God, well goodluck 👍

EXOUSIAng:
I hope your lack of spiritual intelligence won't kill you, but most importantly I hope you don't influence others to their death.

This is the rubbish you folks preach today, complete apostasy

I died already. I don't even have any interest in influencing anybody it is your life I can only tell you where I am going, whether you follow or not it's your choice not mine.

Which one is apostasy again. I tell you my personal foolishness if you don't believe it's okay, we men can lie sometimes and it's not my job to convict unbelievers of sin nor convince you righteous is from God.

Look I made a deal for my life, I will say the truth that God is and will judge the wicked who refuse to repent and turn from their ways and tell them about the life that is beyond this one. Believing that by obeying God my sins and faults will be forgiven as long as I love and do good.

Yes I am foolish if there is no wisdom to save me from God's wrath leave me with my foolish, there are things people fear, I met something or someone that terrifies me even the demons that make one pump chest ran away.
Some of you have you life ahead of you, me I am on borrowed time, dying today or tomorrow that one is nothing.

You don't need to believe me, just ask God, if He answers you praise God, if He doesn't keep asking you need the answer or if you dont, dont bother. Enjoy your life, God gave it to you.

triplechoice:
You're preaching already and Sorry I don't need it.

He should return it to free his conscience. That's all.

well it's okay it's not for everyone
Do enjoy your life while it lasts

EXOUSIAng:
You want to send this man to his early death.
The laws are clear, give the Ceasar what belongs to Ceasar, do the charms belong to a pastor.
This rubbish you people preach have sent many people to their early graves, many mad people roaming the streets now took advice from people like you.

Even logically speaking does it make sense to you. The realm of the spirit is a very legal realm, you had an agreement, return it if you no longer need it...

Some of you Christians know nothing about spirituality.
You lack spiritual intelligence and you just float about thinking you have powers.
Let him burn those charms and you will be shocked at what will happen to him

I want to send the man to Jesus, and Jesus is life. Well he will die in Christ and receive eternal life, and eh he won't be under those laws of sin and death.

Besides what is this death that you are so scared of, exousia, see let me tell you are free to choose this life as the only life you will ever live. Live in fear, or live the way you have been living or you can believe in God, obey Him and receive eternal life.

No matter how you are worried about this life it will still pass, we will all die. So you either choose to believe God who rose Jesus up that just like you can't compare 10years to a 100years, can you compare how long you will live to living at least a thousand years.

When you say people like me, have you meet people like me, well you can meet me instead of assuming to know me.

You asked me if it makes sense. Doesn't it make sense that if you believe there are evil powers why don't you believe there is good as well. Or is it that you believe evil is greater than good.

Look the gospel which begins by genuine repentance and receiving the kingdom of God which is in the Holy Spirit and is power, is a light that drives out demons and grants you access to the gift of God, the Holy Spirit, so that seven more wicked spirits do not enter back into the person.

Does it not make sense to you that when you have light and life in you, darkness cannot drive you insane nor bring you eternal death.


He had an agreement even if he or you had an agreement with death and hell, God is able to nullify it. You claim others do not know spirituality but you dear exousia do you know the spirit of God. If you do not know the spirit of God or the Holy Spirit then what spirituality do you know. Evil spirit?

Does it make sense that you know only evil spirits and not the Holy Spirit? Does it do you any good?

Lol who said I have powers, I don't, I am not God Almighty nor his son Jesus Christ, I am only associated with them through the Holy Spirit who actually has power. And those who know know that the Holy Spirit is the most terrifying existence on earth at least this has been basic spiritual intelligence.

See fear makes you see what is not even written there, did I tell him to burn it 🤣

Okay you that is advising him, would you take responsibility before God if his soul perishes because of your "advise"

Does it make sense to you to fear devil and demons and not fear God the one who alone made all things. It is better to run mad or for me to die today and not fear God.

If what you are afraid of, is afraid of something it is not common sense to fear it as well.

It is better for a man to go to God and beg God than to face the wrath of the one whom no one can fight. You that is advising him can you protect yourself from God's anger?

jeff1993:
..... Please don't listen to what this one is saying ooooo.

You were told not to burn 🔥 or give a pastor abi?? .,.. kindly go home and return the charm as u were told.The Bible tells u to give to Caeser what belongs to him, so that's what u should do. Any other thing that follows, can be sorted out by your "Bible believing church".

he should not listen to me and have an encounter with Jesus. Hmm, what about you Jeff, you seem to believe there are supernatural powers don't you believe in God?

perryy:
Don't deceive this guy into getting his fingers bunt. If those things are bunt by Jesus Christ himself, not even pastor Morka, this guy risks serious consequences. God is not a breacher of agreement. Even devil didn't breach his agreement with God not to kill Job . He agreed to to return them, so must he do.

Isa.28.18 Your covenant with death will be cancelled; your agreement with the grave will not stand. When the overwhelming scourge sweeps by, you will be beaten down by it.

[quote author=Uten9z post=134072789][/quote]whether a person fasts or prays is not your priority you are not God na.

Is it you that we approach 😁
Heb.4.16 So let us come boldly to the throne of our gracious God. There we will receive his mercy, and we will find grace to help us when we need it.

Uten9z:
Do you fast and pray?
If not i can understand with you but if you do why , and how can you justify it with all this your theology on grace?

Noah found grace and built an ark. What do you think grace is

triplechoice:
We're seeing this differently.

My advice to him to return it is for the benefit of his own mental health and peace of mind.


He accepted to return the charms and that acceptance is firmly rooted in his subconscious mind as mental programming which may trigger certain physiological reactions within his body if he destroys it and don't keep to what his mind has agreed to do, " I will return it when I no longer need it"

The mind creates effects from what it accepts as true . I'm sure you don't know this truth about the human mind.

He has been keeping and using the charms for long and because of that his mind has finally come to accept they're powerful hence the reason he is afraid to destroy them himself.

If he destroys it and starts to experience any
kind of negative reactions within his body or starts having setbacks and disappointments in life ,either immediately or later , his thoughts will keep going back to the juju he destroyed thinking that's the cause without knowing it's his own mind that's sabotaging him .


And once it gets to that stage ,prayers and deliverance won't shake the problem of his mind until he is forced to return to the village and confess what he did.


Juju can be rationally explained if you understand what makes it work. It's has nothing to do with an imaginary Satan, power of this and power of that you rambled about.

He should return it because he may not be able to handle what his mind which has been programmed wrongly may create for him. If he believes can handle it through prayers of a pastor ,fine. Let him do that. But those deliverance prayers don't work because the problem exist in his mind and not the juju objects.

If he's living very far from the village,he can contact them through phone and let them know his decision. He will be told what to do to dispose of it.

Don't advise him wrongly based on what you assume or from the false narratives about juju which are propagated in your churches by pastors who also have juju in their pockets or altars while conducting fake juju deliverance to deceive the gullible members of the congregation.

you are seeing things differently is it because you are not looking at God?

You mentioned wrong advise from false narratives, did I give you the narratives?

You said my churches, lol did I tell you I have a church, did I tell him to go to church or to God.

Listen Jesus said, he will build HIS church and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

If you are telling him not to go to fake churches that's a good advise.

Jesus never said the church will deliver you, Jesus said He himself will deliver you and whom he sets free is free indeed.

It is good you care about his mental health, and if God says O don't burn it, grow first in me, till I make you stronger than it, till I make you firm that you no longer need it, whether it is there or not it doesn't matter to him.

A man is required to submit to God, his heart his body his mind, the his mind gets renewed, and he will be able to resist the programming like you calles it, and because he completely surrenders to God, he no more conforms to it nor is affected by it, so be it. But what is important for now is not the charms but his repentance and returning to God. Let him become a child of God and let God tell him what to do.


Look triplechoice you also have the same choice, I wish there were more choices but there are only two, either you submit to God or you submit to the world and you will see things as God sees them. You will have the truth in you that fortifies you against that which is fake and false.

Is it not better to trust God than to trust men

vexing:
Paul kept referring to himself as an Apostle but he was not among the twelve called by Jesus. So should we refer to Paul as an Apostle instead of a disciple? I will need your view on this topic.

Jesus had many disciples while he was on earth, and out of them there were the 12 who were with him most of the time as well as others and they were with him for the last supper where one of them betrayed him and they became 11. Then recorded in Acts, Peter suggested they fill back the position with someone who was with them from the beginning, and there were two who fit that description meaning others followed and witnesses at some point as well. As we know Jesus appeared to many after his resurrection and not just to the 12.

They were to witness to the resurrection of Jesus, something Paul was not an eye witness to. But that doesn't mean all those who were eye witnesses were apostles. Anyway Paul was never accounted as part of the 12 or did they become the 13.

I believe they stood as 12 because the foundation of Israel was by 12 tribes, this is something John writes in revelation that in Rev.21.14 The wall of the city had twelve foundation stones, and on them were written the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

Infact in Gal 2:9, Paul calls, the three, James, John, Peter, Pillars a term others may have used for them as well due to the level of closeness and revelation they had more than the rest of the 12.


Now Paul is the one who taught about the offices in his letters and he also refers to himself and others outside of the 12 as apostles. Goes to show that the office of the apostles were not limited to the 12, who mainly stayed in Jerusalem earlier on.

There are the 12 apostles of the Lamb Jesus and the apostles in the church, of which Paul belonged to the later.

Apostleship was more of a honorable title to one sent than an actual function, the real function revealed by Jesus are the prophets, teachers and wise men whom I refer to as evangelists, Matt.23.34 Therefore I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town.

Paul was a teacher before he was sent by the Holy Spirit, Acts 13:1-4. And he remained a teacher of the word (especially to the gentiles while Peter feed the Jews and others as well)

We had evangelists like Stephen and Philip whom didn't have an "official" sending but they preached the gospel.


As for Paul as a disciple of Jesus, I believe his words agree with what is in the gospel and if indeed he followed Jesus as he said he is indeed a disciple of Jesus. Everyone who forsakes all, picks up their cross and follows Jesus and obeys him is a disciple of Jesus, and those who are sent with his message to a people are his apostles.

I hope I have been able to give a satisfactory answer. Paul was an apostle and a disciple

advanceDNA:
Abel damina be like......

.the bible never said u should gather at TBS.....no no no

Infact.....The bible never said anything about prayer conference.....

😂

Isa.26.19 - Yet we have this assurance: Those who belong to God will live; their bodies will rise again! Those who sleep in the earth will rise up and sing for joy! For God's light of life will fall like dew on his people in the place of the dead!

Isa.26.19 - Yet we have this assurance: Those who belong to God will live; their bodies will rise again! Those who sleep in the earth will rise up and sing for joy! For God's light of life will fall like dew on his people in the place of the dead!

Isa.11

Out of the stump of David's family will grow a shoot--yes, a new Branch bearing fruit from the old root.
And the Spirit of the LORD will rest on him--the Spirit of wisdom and understanding, the Spirit of counsel and might, the Spirit of knowledge and the fear of the LORD.

He will delight in obeying the LORD. He will never judge by appearance, false evidence, or hearsay. He will defend the poor and the exploited. He will rule against the wicked and destroy them with the breath of his mouth. He will be clothed with fairness and truth.

In that day the heir to David's throne will be a banner of salvation to all the world. The gentle nations will rally to him, for the land where he lives will be a glorious place.
In that day the Lord will bring back a remnant of his people for the second time, returning them to the land of Israel from Assyria, Lower Egypt, Upper Egypt, Ethiopia, Elam, Babylonia, Hamath, and all the distant coastlands.
He will raise a flag among the nations for Israel to rally around. He will gather the scattered people of Judah from the ends of the earth.


At his return Jesus will gather God's people from all over the world

Willie2015:
Let him find money ...
At least he sourced for money to travel to obtain it ...
I don't think Ops have the spiritual authority to counter the consequences of burning it...
There are levels to spiritual things...
How many of our Pastors has raised the dead, feed 5000 thousand people just by breaking bread like Jesus in recent times ?
Or call fire from heaven like Elijah...
Abeg wisdom is profitable here...

which is better for him, is it to have true freedom or for him to be afraid and not repent and turn to God?

Expect you are saying God doesn't have the authority to deliver him from whatever consequences would follow those who repent and turn to him?

Wisdom is profitable when it is from God, let him turn to God first and do whatever God tells him to do. God may even tell me not to burn but throw it into the dustbin and if it's in his body, God can also remove it. By the way God is the one who raises the dead and sends down fire.

Philogeny4:
Can we talk?

yes we can 😊

Dafresh:
Thousands of churches fighting one Satan everyday we can't here word. and still you're not winning, you don't sleep morning and night shouting fire fire and Nigeria is getting worst. Christians and Muslims are the two religion that spoiled Nigeria. I'm a traditionalist and I'm happy and I love it you can't defeat killer herdsmen with Bible and Quran

If you know they are fighting, do you know what they are fighting for?

Answer that first before you claim they are losing, right.

Willie2015:
There are protocols...customs and traditions....
Let him return these charms to his village people ...
Since it is permitted...
Give back to Caesar what belongs to Caesar ...
Let him come back to Christ and live in peace..

like the devil wants him to be free and follow Jesus.

Who permitted it? The very people who gave him what is contrary to God's word and will, who did he trust all the while he had those charms, whom did he serve.

Well it would be good if he could submit it like his resignation and nothing else happens but he would do "rites" that free him. So is it the rites that give him freedom or the blood of Jesus


You guys keep repeating return it return it, let him send it via courier na. You keep forgetting the "process" involved.

LtChisom:
You want to introduce him to tithe chopping Jesus of the thief adeboye not the real Jesus Christ of Nazereth.

before you assume why not do the needful that is not that hard, check my profile and posts and read. If you did would you not see the real Jesus Christ of Nazareth. So why didn't you?

I don't teach tithe nor collect tithe.

God can reveal Jesus to him.

Can't he get a bible and read, easy it's downloaded from app stores, can't he go on his knees and cry out to God and even if he can't speak God hears his heart. If his repentance is genuine he would receive the Holy Spirit who will teache him the truth.

triplechoice:
You didn't take your time to read what he wrote.
It was giving to him with a condition which he accepted .So, why should he renege on his promise especially when nothing bad has happened to him ever since he has them in his possession ?

He didn't pay for them .It's still their property under the condition it was given . So, allow
him to return them and not create offence by destroying what doesn't belong to him.

You are the one who wants to be wicked and fight a needless and imaginary war.


In this case, the charms are Caesar's. So encourage him to return them.

I should encourage him to return it, you can do that without me. Did you not read he said the place is far from where he is. I don't care what he does with those charms as long as he doesn't trust in it anymore but trusts completely to God.

Charms that can return by themselves just by the blood of a woman, would also disappear when the blood of Jesus enters his life.

All this breaking head over what to do with darkness when he can simply just on the light.

You are telling me to encourage him to go back to darkness instead of just switching on the light.

You are right they don't belong to him, as long as he is a child of God, if they want they can go and collect it or summon it. He can return it whenever he gets the opportunity to go there, but if he has to do rites and whatever. 😂😂 Whatever happens to his soul, won't you advises carry blame before God?

You say I want to be wicked, wicked to who? Wickedness is when you act like a friend and sting like a scorpio, when you are pretentious. You want someone who wants to return to God to go and keep his agreement with powers not from God. If they are from God why is he repenting, why is he turning away?

Lol you think I don't fear God and would tell a man to go and fulfill his promise with those who are not of God. Like what covenant binds a man who is under God's covenant.

Even the good things from the devil should be returned on God's terms not on his.

I did not start the war, I choose a side. It's just stupid to play both sides. If God tells him to return then he should if God tells him burn, let him pour enough petrol to burn even the ashes.

Before you fast know what God said that is recorded in your bible

Isa.58.2
For day after day they seek me out; they seem eager to know my ways, as if they were a nation that does what is right and has not forsaken the commands of its God. They ask me for just decisions and seem eager for God to come near them.

Now if you are not a righteous people or church, don't waste your time except you are seeking for God's mercy and repenting. If you are a worker of Iniquity you should fast should for repentance like that of Nineveh and honestly if your life is in danger sex would be the last thing on your minds.

Now on the subject of sex, let's read

Isa.58.3-4
"Why have we fasted,' they say, "and You have not seen? Why have we afflicted our souls, and You take no notice?' "In fact, in the day of your fast you find pleasure, And exploit all your laborers. Indeed you fast for strife and debate, And to strike with the fist of wickedness. You will not fast as you do this day, To make your voice heard on high.

Why would you exploit your spouse by not giving them what is due to them?
Why would you now begin to fight and quarrel with them, like you do every other day?

Please, please your spouse and be at peace with them. Let's listen to Paul's advise and suggestion in 1Cor.7.3-6

Let the husband render to his wife the affection due her, and likewise also the wife to her husband. The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. And likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. Do not deprive one another except with consent for a time, that you may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again so that Satan does not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. This is only my suggestion. It's not meant to be an absolute rule.


You are fasting, you would have sorry when seeking repentance but reflect joy when you are doing God's will. Jesus said, in Matt.6.16 - 18
"Moreover, when you fast, do not be like the hypocrites, with a sad countenance. For they disfigure their faces that they may appear to men to be fasting. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward. But you, when you fast, anoint your head and wash your face, so that you do not appear to men to be fasting, but to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly.


Will your spouse have a happy or sad countenance when you deprive them of sex?
Should you not bath, smell nice and please your spouse, let your fasting me in secret not something that comes between you in marriage. If you both didn't agree to stay off sex then don't stay off it, but it shouldn't be for long o, because if midway in the agreement one party says they want it then give it.

Fasting shouldn't be hunger strike, listen to what God said in Isa.58.6 - 7 "Is this not the fast that I have chosen: To loose the bonds of wickedness, To undo the heavy burdens, To let the oppressed go free, And that you break every yoke? Is it not to share your bread with the hungry, And that you bring to your house the poor who are cast out; When you see the naked, that you cover him, And not hide yourself from your own flesh?


Don't hide from your spouse, give them their bread, don't let them be oppressed by the pressure of being Hot expect you want to stop letting them see your naked body, that's oppression.

Be good to others while you fast or it is a waste.

bigpicture001:
Holier that God crew... "I can introduce in u to Jesus".... Did the Op, need ur sermons before he decided to drop it... I too sabi

someone who wants to repent and return to God should to taken to the way to God.

So if you are told the direction to where you want to go is that a sermon? Wow 😲 amazing 😁 the perfect six word sermon, "I can introduce you to Jesus"

Would you like me to introduce you to him as well 😊

freakyavia:
I made my point you made your

the last statement totally childish and unnecessary

you should have Been guided in your utterance

darkness?

do you know me? or my experience ehh fanatic

👀 do you serve darkness? Are you the one that gave him the charm and told him to return it?

triplechoice:
Do what you agreed to do. It's respecting yourself and others who gave you their prized possession out of love.

They value those items highly because of what it took for them to prepare them hence the reason they asked you to return them when you no longer them.

So , return to Caesar what belongs to Caesar and have a free conscience.

they gave it to him should it not belong to him, except they are chains and they value their chains and wish to use it on another soul.


We either destroy the works of satan and be at war with them or deceive ourselves we have peace with the wicked who seek to destroy us.

Giving to Caesar is because we are still under human government, and we don't give him what belongs to us nor to God.

freakyavia:
he has to return them
some charms are binding charms he has to return them and do the rites in full

a pastor can always burn them and he save his soul but if the deity cant get him due to his conversion his next of kin would be target when they are their moment of doubt

That's why I asked the second question, wisdom demands he verifies before he takes an action. What happens to those who return it, what happens to those who don't. Then he seeks counsel.

If his next of kin becomes a target it means, the evil was never going to leave willingly and that next of kin should also run for cover under Jesus as well.

The devil doesn't run his kingdom the way many of us assume, if not it won't have lasted.

What does he understand about spiritual things to just trust that they would collect it back, he said he wishes to repent and repenting is going back to God, if he is to return it, he can go with a man of God and they return it, but like he said he would have to journey to that place and perform rites to do such. Please when Gideon broke down his father's altars of Baal and the Israelites were to destroy the rest of the charms and the like, they didn't go to the devil to make a deal of peace.

Let's be guided by those who have done so before not by the threats of those who serve darkness

Because those fake anointed ones choose to steal money with God's name, others should do so as well by, "take their destinies into their own hands"

Should one as a believer of God not place their destiny and hope in God's hand.

The main question isn't if she would die or not, but the fact that she is dead and the main question should be where is she now, in God's rest or somewhere else I hope not.

Taking your destiny in your hands, trying to save your life while losing your soul is silly very silly, no matter what a person gain they cannot buy back their soul with it.

I do agree "Any pastor who is using the church to make money does not have the moral fabric to criticize a gospel singer charging fees for her service!"

It is not a justification for them to continue their evil, they are just a by product of a rotten foundation.

LtChisom:
Na thieves dey Call am cyber bullying.
When they are called out for their treacherous bigotry just like the tithe swindler adeboye that is arresting everyone who calls out his hypocrisy.

You did one million match for jonathan, now that things are 700 tlmes harder, Because na your egunje heroin brother dey there, you immediately turn to deaf and dumb, calling on your gullible mites to be doing 100 days fasting so that they can use it to get use to hunger.

Who Did Africans this dirty with religion is what baffles me.





But your prophet had to ban adoption because he wanted to fornicate and snatch his adopted son's wife?
What a shameless nymphomaniac.

After your prophet was possessed by the demons of the three medina idols he worshipped, he wrote those satanic verses in the quoran, what sort of hypocrisy is that?

the hypocrisy in rccg is pathetic, those who were there can verify it

IrepChrist:
I am not defending them, I am only stating the obvious fact. What many people don't know is that there growing depression amongst Church leaders. They the burden Bearers we can see. Cyberbullying them or deliberately criticises them for social view and likes is witchcraft.

they are growing depressed? How? Who?

False accusations can be depressing but when one has the comforter the Holy Spirit, they rejoice at persecution and are not worried about public praise or image

Wow that's shocking 😲 hope she entered into God's rest and receives her reward from God

It's others that tell us our date of birth, we believe it because of evidence

If you have evidence that you are born of the incorruptible word of God then you don't need to count the years because you will have eternal life too numerous to count. It's good though to remember your encounter and experience that brought you into the way of salvation so that we do not forget our first love.