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Zaheertyler:
Nothing
that is why I’m asking you

is there a part you don't understand or you don't understand anything? 🤦
How are you supposed to be answered if you don't have a question and you don't understand anything at all? 🤷

Truthseeker10:
Oga how do you determine if an action is good or bad?

when you ignore people's questions and expect to be answered 😁

Truthseeker10:
Oga look at the question again.
How do we know if an action is bad or good? What's the standard for measuring?

did you not see mine?

Zaheertyler:
What is your point oga?

what did you understand?

Truthseeker10:
So God created bad. That's nice. How do we know if an action is bad or good? What's the standard for measuring?

don't you believe in God?
Who do you believe bad?

Truthseeker10:
😂😂so you finally agreed that God created evil. Thank you.
Since God created evil, how can we define 'evil'?

did you finally see 🤦? How do you even seek self?

How do you define evil?
Or you don't know what evil is?

"RA"- bad, evil, calamities, affliction, sorrow, adversity, harm, breaking,

Truthseeker10:
😂😂😂na wa for this man oo....you just dey jump up and down since. Oga are you saying that man and serpent created evil or it was God that created evil?

Isa.45.7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I Jehovah God do all these things.

Do you believe in God, the creator of all?
Do you want to partake in evil like Adam did?

Truthseeker10:
So are you saying that man and serpent created evil or it was God that created evil?

Do you believe in God, the creator of all?

Isaiah 45:7 He created "chosek"- darkness, misery, destruction, ignorance, sorry, wickedness, obscurity and created "ra"- bad, evil, calamities, affliction, sorrow, adversity,...

Gen 1:1-2 God created the heavens and the earth, and the earth was "tohu", "bohu" and "chosek"...

Do you want to partake of the chosek and ra like Adam?

Truthseeker10:
Ok....how did evil begin?

This is how

Gen.2.9 And the LORD God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground-trees that were pleasing to the eye and good for food. In the middle of the garden were the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
(Gen.2.16 -17) And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die."

Gen.3.4 - 5 "You won't die!" the serpent hissed. "God knows that your eyes will be opened when you eat it. You will become just like God, knowing everything, both good and evil."

Gen.3.19 All your life you will sweat to produce food, until your dying day. Then you will return to the ground from which you came. For you were made from dust, and to the dust you will return."

Gen.4.7-8 If you do what is right, will you not be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at your door; it desires to have you, but you must master it." Now Cain said to his brother Abel, "Let's go out to the field." And while they were in the field, Cain attacked his brother Abel and killed him.

Gen.6.5 The LORD saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become, and that every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time.

Truthseeker10:
Me.

Who created evil that affects good and bad people?

so do you want God to be responsible for the evil you do?

Or you have never done anything wrong before?

Truthseeker10:
So who is responsible for the evil and suffering in the world?

who is responsible for what you do?

Truthseeker10:
So from your submission above, do you agree that God is responsible for the evil and suffering that affects both good and bad people in the world today?

if God is responsible for what you do, why would he judge you?

Truthseeker10:
Are you saying now that God does not cause good people to suffer? Yes or no? Let me know if you've changed your mind.
Irrespective of your answer, explain the verse below.

"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things"(Isaiah 45:7)

You can't find the rubbish?

Okay at least tell us what's on my mind in this explanation?

Isaiah was sending God's message to a foreign king, Cyrus, whom according to other scriptures in the Bible played a critical role in fulfilling prophecy concerning Israel. God choose him because of Israel, verse 4.

Isa.45.4 "And why have I called you for this work? It is for the sake of Jacob my servant, Israel my chosen one. I called you by name when you did not know me.

Cryus wasn't a Hebrew so he didn't know the God of Israel, but he obviously knew "other" gods and that's why the following verses seem like an introduction to him.

Read the verses 5-7 together

I am the LORD; there is no other God. I have prepared you, even though you do not know me, so all the world from east to west will know there is no other God. I am the LORD, and there is no other. I am the one who creates the light and makes the darkness. I am the one who sends good times and bad times. I, the LORD, am the one who does these things.




Cyrus was Persian, and like the Greeks they believed in many gods of which they took the ones who represented light and the one representing darkness and chaos as there highest ranking gods. Even among scientists they don't believe someone make the vast light and vast darkness.


God's introduction is this, first off, those are not gods there is only one God which is me Jehovah and I formed all those things you are taking as a god, everything that occurs is because of me, be it a storm at sea, draught or rain on land, there are no special gods for those things. I alone do them. It may be hard to believe that just one God does all of that, but that's the reason there is none like Him, the Almighty and that Cryus is the reason you should believe what He is telling you.

Isn't it even weirder that even those who claim God created all things, don't want to accept that God created darkness even when it was clearly stated in Genesis. The worse is, they begin to deny that God formed light as well, claiming light as always been from the beginning.

Whether you believe in Jesus the true light or Satan who is evil, know that both were created by God and both were given there rewards, Jesus eternal life and Satan death. Nether Jesus who DOESN'T claim to be a god but submits to God nor Satan who claims to be a god, are God.


From verse 8

"Rain down, you heavens, from above, And let the skies pour down righteousness; Let the earth open, let them bring forth salvation, And let righteousness spring up together. I, the LORD, have created it.

"Destruction is certain for those who argue with their Creator. Does a clay pot ever argue with its maker? Does the clay dispute with the one who shapes it, saying, `Stop, you are doing it wrong!' Does the pot exclaim, `How clumsy can you be!'
....

12. I am the one who made the earth and created people to live on it. With my hands I stretched out the heavens. All the millions of stars are at my command.

I will raise up Cyrus to fulfill my righteous purpose, and I will guide all his actions. He will restore my city and free my captive people--and not for a reward! I, the LORD Almighty, have spoken!" This is what the LORD says: "The Egyptians, Ethiopians, and Sabeans will be subject to you. They will come to you with all their merchandise, and it will all be yours. They will follow you as prisoners in chains. They will fall to their knees in front of you and say, `God is with you, and he is the only God.'"

But the LORD will save the people of Israel with eternal salvation. They will never again be humiliated and disgraced throughout everlasting ages.

For the LORD is God, and he created the heavens and earth and put everything in place. He made the world to be lived in, not to be a place of empty chaos. "I am the LORD," he says, "and there is no other.


I publicly proclaim bold promises. I do not whisper obscurities in some dark corner so no one can understand what I mean. And I did not tell the people of Israel to ask me for something I did not plan to give. I, the LORD, speak only what is true and right. "Gather together and come, you fugitives from surrounding nations. What fools they are who carry around their wooden idols and pray to gods that cannot save! Consult together, argue your case, and state your proofs that idol worship pays. Who made these things known long ago? What idol ever told you they would happen? Was it not I, the LORD? For there is no other God but me--a just God and a Savior--no, not one! Let all the world look to me for salvation! For I am God; there is no other.


Do you understand?

Truthseeker10:
😂😂😂baba go and sleep. I don't have your time. Keep on teaching rubbish.

🤣🤣🤣 is the rubbish that hard to find?

Truthseeker10:
You said you admitted what you already answered when I asked you this question below:

No.... if you are not willing to admit that God punished and made the people you mentioned to suffer for doing nothing bad?


Answer the one below please.
so if God punishes and suffers good and innocent people for doing nothing bad, what does he do to bad and guilty people who does nothing good?

was all you had to do just state where i made the claim?

Is that so hard to do? 🥺

Gabrielshow24:
Nope, they're not the same.
I had a discourse similar to this with a prominent JW here.

He drew an absolute statement from Jesus' words as regards "turning the left cheek" - oversimplified, and how those fighting wars are not christians!.

Along the line in my counter, I raised up the verses of revelation alluding to the fact that his prince of peace "Michael" fought a war in heaven then came to earth to preach ☮️ peace 🤕.

A simple contradiction in character was sufficient to show that Jesus was not Archangel Michael as they claim and also to make him see the fallacies he committed.

Jesus is not Michael!!!!!

Matt.10.34 "Don't imagine that I came to bring peace to the earth! No, I came to bring a sword.

Truthseeker10:
Because you claim he does so. So if he does that to good people, what does he do to bad people?

where did I claim so?

gohf:
Kobojunkie?

are you running and dont know what to say?

Kobojunkie?

Truthseeker10:
😂😂😂why will my father discipline me by making me to suffer and die without doing anything bad?

🤣🤣🤣so why are you asking if God punishes and suffers good and innocent people for doing nothing bad?

Truthseeker10:
Lol....so if God punishes and suffers good and innocent people for doing nothing bad, what does he do to bad and guilty people who does nothing good?

😊
so you call your father's discipline punishment and suffering for doing nothing bad?

Kobojunkie:
Anything to avoid presenting backup or evidence for your many ludicrous claims, abi?

claims?

Kobojunkie:
Oh boy! Check out the lame attempt at a segue way! 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

😕🤦

Truthseeker10:
No.... if you are not willing to admit that God punished and made the people you mentioned to suffer for doing nothing bad?

why do I have to admit to what I have already answered? 😕

It's good that you know you don't deserve an answer again, but do you know why you don't?

Kobojunkie:
Stop rambling abeg! 🙄🙄🙄

I asked for evidence of your claim but here you are quoting a text written by a man who himself is recorded to have spoken extensively of his proof of his particular belief even going as far as to display it for all those around him to see. 🙄🙄🙄

you cannot even different between the person you were having a chat with from someone quoting the text for you to read 🤦. And you are looking for evidence, even if you see it would you even able to recognize it

I don't know much about this chatGPT and MetaAI but it should still be based on programming and made by humans, and from my little knowledge on programming then, it means it sources it's answer based on logic programmed into it and information provided by men.

It can only give you what was inputted into it. In those days when trying to program an app or design a circuit, it will only work not based on my desire but based on the parameters set into the machine or app I am using. It's a tool not a sentient being, whether we call it artificial intelligence or robots, they are work based on the structure layed inside of them.

My understanding of it may be wrong, I am no expert in that field but it's common sense that if you program 1+1 is 2, you should expect 2 as it's logical response from the information fed into it.

Now how can something not connected to the truth or not connected to some vast universal library of truth give you the truth?

Why would people even trust it with questions concerning God and faith?

There is something called revelation. I will also say, Jesus didn't give us a book, he sent us the Holy Spirit, and you can never know the truth if the one who knows it doesn't reveal it to you.

Truthseeker10:
So God punished and made this people suffer for doing nothing bad? Yes or no?

do you deserve an answer from me? Yes or no?

Truthseeker10:
Oga so up till now, you cannot show me on good and innocent person that God caused to suffer for doing nothing bad with all the bible verses that you quoted?

what bad thing did Job do for him to suffer?
What bad thing did Jesus do for him to suffer?
Why was Stephen stoned?
Why was Jeremiah treated badly?

Pick anyone and answer, or you cannot answer can you?

Truthseeker10:
All the vsrses.....show me God caused an innocent and good person to suffer for doing nothing bad.

If you read it, you would not have asked "all verses"

If you did not understand something, you would have pointed it out from the answer I gave.

If an answer is already given and you repeat the question it can mean either you didn't read it or you didn't understand it. If you don't read it, it is either because you can't read or you choose not to read it, now which of these two should be a good enough reason to answer you again?

If you didn't understand it then tell me what and where you did not understand? This is what I asked you, but you are repeating, "show me God caused an innocent and good person to suffer for doing nothing bad."

Meaning you are ignoring the answer I have given you, what is the point of answering of you when you will ignore it 🤷 either you open you eyes and see that I have shown you already or you can continue being ignorant ignoring what was shown to you.

When Moses and Elijah appeared before Jesus, the first thing they should have done if Jesus was the God of the old testament was to bow and worship Jesus as God but they didn't, infact they stood and spoke to Jesus like one would speak to a fellow. Now you may well say the disciples may have been asleep, now only Luke who records such obviously showed they were awake when Moses and Elijah appeared but slept off, and that's why there's no record of what the three were discussing.

The record of the transfiguration is such an important encounter that it verifies who Christ the son of the living God is. So, Let's read the account

Mark.9.1 And he said to them, "I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the kingdom of God come with power."

This is understandable because Jesus said in John 3:3 it's those who are born again that see the kingdom of God. These ones are able to properly identify Jesus not just as a teacher but see him as Christ the King, or the anointed king from God and that is the purpose of those signs. So the revelation of who Jesus is, is for all who are born again and not just Peter, James and John.

Mark.9.2-5

Six days later Jesus took Peter, James, and John to the top of a mountain. No one else was there. As the men watched, Jesus' appearance changed, and his clothing became dazzling white, far whiter than any earthly process could ever make it.
Then Elijah and Moses appeared and began talking with Jesus. "Teacher, this is wonderful!" Peter exclaimed. "We will make three shrines--one for you, one for Moses, and one for Elijah."

Ever wondered why Peter said to make three shrines or three tabernacles which represent three places for worship, as all three looked outworldly, possibly all shinning brightly, Now he spoke out of fear, because he didn't know what to make of what he was seeing but God who spoke from above helped clarify the vision before them..
let's look at another account before I continue?

In Luke 9, this occurs after Jesus asked the disciples, "who do people say I am?", and so from verse 18, we see that others in those days thought Jesus was John the Baptist or Elijah or some other prophet who had returned but then Jesus asked the disciples who had followed him and Peter said, you are the Christ from God. After which Jesus speaks to them about what he must go through as the Christ and the cost of following him as a disciple. Now while Luke writes 8days, the content doesn't change much

Luke.9.29 - 36
And as he was praying, the appearance of his face changed, and his clothing became dazzling white. Then two men, Moses and Elijah, appeared and began talking with Jesus.

They were glorious to see. And they were speaking of how he was about to fulfill God's plan by dying in Jerusalem. Peter and the others were very drowsy and had fallen asleep. Now they woke up and saw Jesus' glory and the two men standing with him. As Moses and Elijah were starting to leave, Peter, not even knowing what he was saying, blurted out, "Master, this is wonderful! We will make three shrines--one for you, one for Moses, and one for Elijah."
But even as he was saying this, a cloud came over them; and terror gripped them as it covered them.
Then a voice from the cloud said, "This is my Son, my Chosen One. Listen to him." When the voice faded away, Jesus was there alone. They didn't tell anyone what they had seen until long after this happened.


Same was recorded in Mark.9.7 Then a cloud came over them, and a voice from the cloud said, "This is my beloved Son. Listen to him."

So in Luke we have Jesus had been praying and his face also shines and the only details they heard before they fell asleep was about the death of Jesus. And it was when they were about to leave that Peter waking up said in amazement, that they should make tents for them and the fear they felt was due to God's presence in the cloud that covered them. The more accounts we read the more we understand what probably happened and much more understand the message from it.

Which is listen to Jesus, not worship Jesus as a god but listen to him, because he is the one God loves and has chosen.

And what of in Matthew, we read more from chapter 17.5 - 13 about what happens after God's voice was heard

But even as he said it, a bright cloud came over them, and a voice from the cloud said, "This is my beloved Son, and I am fully pleased with him. Listen to him."

The disciples were terrified and fell face down on the ground. Jesus came over and touched them. "Get up," he said, "don't be afraid." And when they looked, they saw only Jesus with them.

As they descended the mountain, Jesus commanded them, "Don't tell anyone what you have seen until I, the Son of Man, have been raised from the dead."

His disciples asked, "Why do the teachers of religious law insist that Elijah must return before the Messiah comes?" Jesus replied, "Elijah is indeed coming first to set everything in order. But I tell you, he has already come, but he wasn't recognized, and he was badly mistreated. And soon the Son of Man will also suffer at their hands."Then the disciples realized he had been speaking of John the Baptist.

So they were still afraid after the voice left, till Jesus touched them and the reason others didn't knkw of this until after the resurrection was because of the instruction from Jesus. And in Matthew we see one very important revelation here because of a question they asked Jesus has they descended.

Why is Jesus being the son of God a revelation well, Jesus wasn't obviously calling himself the son of God but referred to himself as the son of man, almost as if the term son of God was a title left until after his resurrection where God glorifies him as His son.

Anyway that's not the question, the question is, "Why do the teachers of religious law insist that Elijah must return before the Messiah comes?"

And Jesus answer and their understanding pointed to John the Baptist. This is important because they had just seen Elijah appear and stand beside Jesus, by the way John the Baptist was already dead, so Jesus couldn't be either John TB nor Elijah like others said. This further provided proof that Jesus is the Messiah.

I can understand why some didn't believe John to be Elijah who was to come, well John didn't do any miracles unlike Elijah but there was one important thing Elijah did that John also did and that is who replaces them.

The teaching that Elijah proceeds the Messiah can only be understood that Elijah is used by God to anoint the one who is the Messiah.

I want us to consider that both Moses and Elijah who are seen as two of the greatest prophets in Israel both appoint a successor, as there is no other prophet recorded to have done so, infact if we are consider that Samuel anointed David as leader, you can even understand the association of Christ to the throne of David. David means beloved a term God called Jesus twice recorded in the gospels.


And when looking at the successors of Moses and Elijah, we have Joshua and Elisha. Joshua an identical name of Jesus, which was given by Moses who prophecied about the coming Messiah, a name meaning Jehovah is salvation and the Elisha, which means my God is salvation. Both reference to God, the Elohim, who is Jehovah as man's salvation.

It is worth studying the bible record of those two men, Joshua and Elisha. Elisha was not the promised prophet spoken of Moses even though no other prophet did miracles like he did. Infact apart from Isaiah God used to a time related miracle like Joshua did, not sure any other prophet did much miracles, their primary job was to speak what God said to his people.

Speaking of Isaiah, his name means salvation of Jehovah or Jehovah saves. The volume of his writing that is Messiah related is very high compared to others.

And so a prophet greater than all of them, greater than Abraham as well, baptized Jesus to fulfill scriptures and reveal once and for all the one true Christ, Jesus of Nazareth.

Truthseeker10:
Oga explain na.
So do all the verses that you wrote up there refer to good and innocent people that God caused to suffer for doing nothing bad?

Did you not read it? Which verse do you want me to explain?

Truthseeker10:
So do all the verses that you wrote up there refer to good and innocent people?

what did you understand?