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In John.6

Jesus told them, "This is what God wants you to do: Believe in the one he has sent."...
However, only those the Father has given me will come to me, and I will never reject them. For I have come down from heaven to do the will of God who sent me, not to do what I want. And this is the will of God, that I should not lose even one of all those he has given me, but that I should raise them to eternal life at the last day. For it is my Father's will that all who see his Son and believe in him should have eternal life--that I should raise them at the last day."
For people can't come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them to me, and at the last day I will raise them from the dead.

I live by the power of the living Father who sent me; in the same way, those who partake of me will live because of me.


Then Jesus said, "That is what I meant when I said that people can't come to me unless the Father brings them to me."

"As for me, I will certainly not sin against the LORD by ending my prayers for you. And I will continue to teach you what is good and right. But be sure to fear the LORD and sincerely worship him. Think of all the wonderful things he has done for you. But if you continue to sin, you and your king will be destroyed." (1Sam.12.23-25)

Steep:
John 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

The same honor given to the father is given to the Son or else you don't worship God.

The service Paul is taking about is spiritual service. Spiritual service is only given to God but now it is given to Jesus.

Matt.10.40 "He who receives you receives me, and he who receives me receives the one who sent me.

Lucifyre:
When i say these christards are schizophrenic it sounds like a joke. Is this not full blown psychosis on display.😅

real psychosis is thinking you can be wicked threat people badly and get away with it

Themandator:
Abrsham was already blessed not with the blessing.



Blessing is different from having material possession


It is your escort spirit through life that is created by the blessing

Blessing is word created

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ICEWIN:
Your level of reasoning is still daft.
I have every right to dictate to you,left for you to comply or not.....

it maybe to you, but your evaluation is useless even to yourself. How do you cope?
Well being arrogant and deceiving yourself is also your right and your choice.

One question was all you had to answer and you showed you are incapable of even doing that. Ignorance.

"You have the right to dictate to others". Arrogance.

🤣 even a daft person won't comply with you. Reading you post may actually make one daft 😮‍💨. I apologize for responding to you 😔 I assumed you had reasoning within you, I confused you for a sensible person. I am sorry if you at least have a heart, forgive me 🙏

Steep:
So you worship a creature.
Romans 1:25
They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

You serve what is not God.
Galatians 4:8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.

You are a pagan.

those who worship things and created things as God's are pagan.

Would I also be a pagan for serving my country, and bowing to my parents. Steep don't being steep in stupidity. You constantly reject the truth and promote a lie to destroy the souls of others. Who will save you if you don't stop when mercy and grace is available and you reject it.

Steep:
Do you know? Thomas confessed that Jesus is his Lord and God.
John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God.

Paul confessed that Jesus is our great God and saviour
Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

the great God not gods, and our Savior Jesus Christ. If you listened all the times I answered you, you won't be repeated your folly again and again.

kingxsamz:
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He's a genocidal maniac, just like Hitler. You're typing all this and still proving me right. Just go and rest your head bro.

Like I wrote If you kill people children, God will kill your children one by one, he may even keep you alive and watch your grandchildren die one by one. It's will be so painful because you won't realize and will forget He is the one who gave life. You don't own life, not even your own.

If you think God is evil because He judges your wickedness and punishes you for it. Yes He give evil to the evil. He has no mercy or goodness towards them. You refuse to repent or change, you will suffer for the evil you enjoy.

ICEWIN:
At the end of your writeup you just decribe God as evil.
Moral lesson stop arguing with people,some people are just smart, serve God if you want to without all this unnecessary argument it won't change who God is.
Is just like every religion has the good and the bad,the poor and the rich.
Focus on your religion and forget about argument.
Atheist people can prove with evidence that God is evil.

and where in that writeup did I describe God as evil, could you highlight it or quote it out?

Don't know what you find smart about what he said. And who you are to tell others to focus and not argue. Please keep your advise, I am very focused on what I am doing. If you can't speak the truth be quiet, I didn't try to get him to serve God, and if I wish to speak to him it is my choice not yours. Now if you can't show where my writeup shows I describe God as evil, then it shows your level of reasoning to judge them smart in the first place.

sonmvayina:
The matrix is real...

yes I watched the movie

sonmvayina:
Are you scared of death?

so I have to be sacred of death for me to correct and tell you to use yourself in what you believe. If you believe it, use yourself.

Me when I leave this world I will go where the souls awaiting resurrection are.

If you want to expire, go ahead don't add me, go on you own

kingxsamz:
Your god, the chiId kiIIer and genocidal freak?
Mtchew.
What has Hitler done that your god hasn't already carried out in the bible? Yet the so called bad guy hasn't even done close to half of it.

Before you quote me make sure your brain IS Intact alright?

Type something that makes sense and is related to what we are discussing.

If you are angry with God that's your business, Jesus is the mediator not me, so go to Jesus if you want peace or go amd fight God.

You keep mentioning a bad guy, who is the bad guy, if you like the bad guy follow him, did I say you should stop. Guy continue.

If you want to accuse my God of evil, come with proof and stop ranting like someone who doesn't have the brain to bring out real proof.

God kills and makes alive, He kills not just the body but also the soul. He kills the wicked and all their children for all the blood they have spilled, for all the children they have killed. God is just and the vengeance of the weak.

If you kill people children, God will kill your children one by one, he may even keep you alive and watch your grandchildren die one by one. It's will be so painful because you won't realize and will forget He is the one who gave life. You don't own life, not even your own.

So while you are foolish enough not to fear Him, even if you claim He is wicked, at least the devil that goes against God has power, you what do you have?

frank317:
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Ur position is clear... at least we now know that all these testimonies about God doing stuff are lies... he does nothing for me, just waits and reward us for our good work.

God does do things o.
Truly maybe God does nothing for you, I am not God and He didn't tell me, so I can take your word based on you speaking for yourself. That's between you and God, if it is true or a lie. But please don't treat me as a fool that I suggested to you that God does nothing.

If you don't want God to reward you, that your business and your choice, if He does, tell Him not to.

kingxsamz:
so you agree that people should bow to powerful tyrants simply because they're wicked and eviI right? So you agree your god is a tyrant... Got it.👍🏾

you are conversing with yourself that's a sign of abnormality. Stop answering yourself and answer me.

My God is good, if you want to speak speak about what you have. It is foolish to absolutely believe what you are assuming and have no proof to. You don't know my God so stop assuming and speak concerning your own gods.

It is well

sonmvayina:
What Isaiah actually wrote in chapter 9:6 of his book was :

6..For a [b]child has been born to us, a son given to us, [/b]and the authority is upon his shoulder, and the wondrous adviser, the mighty God, the everlasting Father, called his name, "the prince of peace." הכִּי־יֶ֣לֶד יֻלַּד־לָ֗נוּ בֵּן נִתַּן־לָ֔נוּ וַתְּהִ֥י הַמִּשְׂרָ֖ה עַל־שִׁכְמ֑וֹ וַיִּקְרָ֨א שְׁמ֜וֹ פֶּ֠לֶא יוֹעֵץ֙ אֵ֣ל גִּבּ֔וֹר אֲבִי־עַ֖ד שַׂר־שָׁלֽוֹם:
7.To him who increases the authority, and for peace without end, on David's throne and on his kingdom, to establish it and to support it with justice and with righteousness; from now and to eternity, the zeal of the Lord of Hosts shall accomplish this.


The bolded is in past tense.
When Isaiah penned those words the child in question has already been born. The son has already been born to them. The person in question will be a future king that will seat on David's throne. Isaiah is prophesying that when he seats on the throne the people will rejoice, because he will be a righteous king. Hello was speaking of no other than future king Hezekiah.
It is not speaking about jesus(assuming jesus actually existed) He was never a king that sat on the throne of David.
I don't know why you people keep applying it to jesus. It is not about him.
Learn to read a story in context. Stop removing a text from it's contest that it is part of.

See the next verse self. It is not jesus..

are you not deceiving yourself again, didn't Hezekiah die or are you saying God lied?

"To him who increases the authority, and for peace without end," was Hezekiah's kingdom with unending peace, or you want me to read the scriptures for you?

on David's throne? Did David rule two tribes of Israel?

from now and to eternity? Hezekiah died, so where is the eternity?

Just look at you lying against God and accusing Him of lying because of your lack of understanding.

Afolue:
Jesus knew he was leaving them was when he handed over to Peter. Where he asked him if he truly loved him about 3 times. It was Peter and no one else. . . And that is where the pillar of the Catholic faith stands till date.

Your are the rock and upon the rock I have built the church.

Other men of God are voluntary service. Tis why the steady breakaways. Has the Catholic Church broken till then? No! People only leave and it’s a free will.

Ordination no be beans. God no be small person

oh you are part of that religion called Catholic 🤦

Please try and study the bible and pray to God for the spirit of God to teach you His truth.

Afolue:
“with the wisdom God gave him” ! When Paul was arrested who was he asked to go meet? Has Paul and Peter ever met one on one in existence? The answer is No! That is what I mean. Though He speaks out of wisdom, outrightly yes!

Second, Peter never knew Paul by all standards. The proof if from your previous quote. He was hearing of him but he never knew him in person! In which he admitted

I have given a clear explanation of what I mean, from the church which is Jesus Christ to Peter coming down to the present day pope and to the future popes. “ Jesus” is the divine authority here, who passed it on.

Jesus was an ordained prophet even before he was born, Peter never was from the Holy Spirit, it was by Jesus proclamation (chosen) by natural authority as a prophet from birth just as the likes of Samuel, Samson, John the Baptist etc. Remember what Jesus said about Judas iscariot? He was as well ordained. Was it the Holy Spirit that came upon Judas upon betrayal? No!

What does the word ordained mean? Power bestowed upon them by God most high. Why didn’t you mention ordinarily men? It was God using whom he ordained to carry out his ordinance. So it was God who did. Yes! Never did any carried anything on their own accord! So get the difference

Gal.1.18 Then after three years, I went up to Jerusalem to get acquainted with Peter and stayed with him fifteen days.

Yet you wrote, "Has Paul and Peter ever met one on one in existence? The answer is No! That is what I mean."

🙄😮‍💨

"Peter never knew Paul by all standards. The proof if from your previous quote. He was hearing of him but he never knew him in person! In which he admitted"

Gal.2.14 When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter in front of them all, "You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?

🤦🤦

Do you even know what is written in the bible that you claim to teach from?

kingxsamz:
None. I mean, does one have to side with Hitler because he was a powerful tyrant?
What kind of question is that?

my guy you are already under someone power, you live in a country ruled by others. It's not even up to the weak to pick who rules them, is it?

Afolue:
is there any verse of Peter’s death in the Bible? So where do you expect me to show you from?

The hierarchy of the Pope is from Peter. And if a Pope does pass away another will not arise. And they are divinely chosen in their own ways. Please read more. We don’t need begin arguments. Or simply ask any catholic priest is all I can say. At most google it “hierarchy of the Popes”.

but Peter the one in the bible wasn't the head of the church, oh well that's Jesus, but Peter wasn't their leader. It was James.

Afolue:
God knows only prophets. It is God and the prophets. Check out those who ordains on earth, their existence were divine existence. Elijah, Samuel, Jesus Christ. Even John the Baptist to have even dared to touch Jesus, he was by birth, but still fear no let am. Until he was ordered to!

Most of these so called men of God today are followers of the ways of Paul the apostle who doesn’t have clear ordained witness of his religious escapades. Peter never knew him. One who was the master of the sharia law in his time!. To execute oppositions. Peter denied him. Anointing and ordination is a chain. It is only a born anointed that can anoint anyone on earth. God can’t come down from heaven and anoint a man. How can! Those who claim to be ordained are nothing but voluntary service to God. If not there won’t be separations, contradictions and misunderstandings amongst themselves and members alike which is an outright way to show clearly that they are mostly false.

Ordained men speak out God’s words directly without being biased.

You say, "Peter never knew him."

2Pet.3.15 And remember, the Lord is waiting so that people have time to be saved. This is just as our beloved brother Paul wrote to you with the wisdom God gave him--

Then you say, "Peter denied him." So where is the proof?

Who told you, "Anointing and ordination is a chain." When does it begin and when does it end? Why does it also end, it is from scripture you are getting this or from a man or a spirit?

This you wrote I believe, Ordained men speak out God’s words directly without being biased."

I know God calls men from the womb, and I know God anoints men, He doesn't need to come down and do so. Jesus was anointed with power and it wasn't from the womb, Peter received the anointing like the rest of the disciples of Jesus as the Holy Spirit came upon them.


Elijah did not anoint Elisha, God did. God is the one who anoints not men. Elisha sent his servant to anoint Jehu, it was God who anointed not Elijah's servant. Samuel wanted to pour oil up on the head of Jesse's elder son but God choose and anointed David

frank317:
Exactly.... God does absolutely nothing, but humans do.

It's funny when humans do bad thing u say humans did it... but when man do good thing u say God did it.

I tire for una

when men do good things men do them. I am the one saying this, either you believe me or believe them, but here this God will reward us all for what we have done. He rewarded Jesus for his faithfulness and righteousness, He rewarded Abraham. He will reward you for the good you do and reward you for the the evil you do.

Afolue:
Elijah and similar other was by birth.Divine existence…! Asides from these men of God earthly ordained like Elisha, David by well known prophet by birth(ordained).
As for Peter, Jesus said upon this rock I shall build my church. That was his form of ordination.

Mind you, Paul was never known nor ordained by anyone. And this is where these so called present day men of God began sprouting up in disguise outside the knowledge of the said Christian religious faith itself

okay so instead of believing that God anoints men, you choose to believe ordination from birth 🙄😮‍💨.
So Peter was anointed by the words of Jesus to be the foundation of the church right? Ah that's not true at all, how could you believe and make up such things just to support what you claim

AbuTwins:
What diplomatic mission was Jonah sent to do?

kobojunkie answer this question and stop typing rubbish

Kobojunkie:
Are you OK in the head at all? You are told in the book that the God of Israel Himself, by His own Will, scattered His Israel to the four winds of the Earth — every language, every tribe, and every nation. Yet, in your head, the connection you see fit to make to that is a black supremacist movement whose stories and tales mirror instead that which is spewed by the 3 major religions?

my head is very okay, but what the heck are you typing 🙄, I asked you a question how does this nonsense you wrote make any sense or answer the question

Afolue:
tbh, no man of God is anointed by God! Was it done in the spirit realm or what? Who anointed them? who did God send that we all know of to be indeed from God most high! Left for me, religious work/activities is a voluntary calling. Only the false claim anointing.

Anointing is meant to be a chain by known prophets. Let look at the biblical days. Elijah anointed Elisha, Samuel anointed Saul after which David. Jesus anointed Peter coming to the present day Pope.

The excesses in the Christian religion is too much. It has been abused to a fault. No religious bodies to checkmate these mess. Unfortunately it has ruined many lives…

If ordination is real, why do these so called men of God contradict themselves and no oneness in the faith.? This was the same man who once said that he hates white garments. People who came before him and still standing…!

who anointed Elijah?

When and how was Peter anointed?

To answer your question why they contradict themselves, it is because they are not of God and their faith is from the devil the author of confusion. So please answer mine

sonmvayina:
Yes...when you expire, it goes back into the universe..

oga talk about yourself, when you sonmvayina expire it goes back into the universe

kingxsamz:
Yeah I know, your god is a tyrant.
"do me I do you" god.
The one who shows power by kiIIing children.
But yet Satan is the bad guy here.

well between a powerful "tyrant" and a bad guy who does common sense say you should side with

sonmvayina:
Where??

I told you that the son in Isaiah 9:6 has already been born...you are lying there through every opening in your body...

you told who what? What are you talking about about 🙄, is your consciousness speaking to you again

kingxsamz:
Yeah, such a loving god. ❤️ Didn't take out the person causing the problem but a bunch of kids that had nothing to do with it.

do you know what vengeance is, ah you don't, you see God is a God of vengeance if you kill other People's children, He will kill us and still punish you for what you have done.


If you think you can do evil and get away with it, well vengeance exists.

johnydon22:
In the Bible, you could find instances of Yahweh being many things, often times contradictory. In one instance, he would be a vengeful, jealous, anger-prone, and downright vindictive deity yet on the very next book, he'd be described as merciful without bounds.

In another, he would be hateful to those who don't worship him, recommend death for heresy and apostasy and command genocide for nations that worship other Gods yet on the very next book, he would be described as loving without conditions.

These features may be confusing as they in fact contradict each other, but it begins to make more sense when you understand the evolution of Yahweh as a character. The Yahweh of Peganic Yahwehism is different from that of Apocalyptic Yahwehism and that is also different from that of Talmudic Judaism and eventually different from Christian Yahweh.

The reason why Yahweh possess so many contradicting traits in the old testament is because they were describing completely different Gods.
Yahweh was a storm and war God initially, not unlike the god Ba'al - they were youthful deities. No other God had as much influence in the Yahwehic cult through antiquity like Ba'al - Yahweh ultimately assimilated feats of Ba'al like in Psalm 29 which is originally an old Canaanite poem for Ba'al that the Hebrews repurposed for Yahweh.

When Yahweh is described as this compassionate fatherly figure in the old testament, such a person is likely describing a later conception of Yahweh that had incorporated the characteristics of El the chief God of the Canaanite pantheon.

Yahweh the strong wrathful storm God is an older idea to Yahweh the fatherly compassionate wise God.

So, most often when these features contradict, the writer of these respective parts were imagining a Yahweh that was different from the other. The hot-headed storm deity that theologically competed with Ba'al or the fatherly compassionate El elevated to the Chief amongst every other God.

In this very evolution of the Jewish religion from Pegan Yahwehism to Aocalyptic Yahwehsim to Talmudic Judaism, you could see how the bible went from admitting the existence of other Gods, to admitting that Yahweh would defeat and judge them to ultimately denying their existence entirely.

Yahweh as a deity has gone through tremendous evolution and as a matter of fact is still evolving

So different people cannot paint the same picture that's covered with a veil in different ways? For you to say that no it's not the painters but what they are painting that evolves. 😮‍💨