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2John.1.7 There are a lot of smooth-talking charlatans loose in the world who refuse to believe that Jesus Christ was truly human, a flesh-and-blood human being. Give them their true title: Deceiver! Antichrist! (MSB)

2John.1.7 There are a lot of smooth-talking charlatans loose in the world who refuse to believe that Jesus Christ was truly human, a flesh-and-blood human being. Give them their true title: Deceiver! Antichrist! (MSB)

2John.1.7 There are a lot of smooth-talking charlatans loose in the world who refuse to believe that Jesus Christ was truly human, a flesh-and-blood human being. Give them their true title: Deceiver! Antichrist! (MSB)

2John.1.7 There are a lot of smooth-talking charlatans loose in the world who refuse to believe that Jesus Christ was truly human, a flesh-and-blood human being. Give them their true title: Deceiver! Antichrist! (MSB)

2John.1.7 There are a lot of smooth-talking charlatans loose in the world who refuse to believe that Jesus Christ was truly human, a flesh-and-blood human being. Give them their true title: Deceiver! Antichrist! (Message Bible)

TheDevilsBride:
Very few moves are needed when the king is already in a compromised position, courtesy of his own mis-steps, ergo, the killer blow: checkmate in 1 or 2. Keep up .



Cute response, but a rather unfortunate one, because the Christian concept of an omnibenevolent deity overturns all your efforts at reconciling this conundrum. Such a deity would, by definition, be naturally merciful and forgiving, without condition, or expectation of reward. Thus, we would have to ponder the true nature of your deity if indeed his mercy is based on specific criteria as it undermines the primary declarations, made in the Bible, of his character. Picture a reality where firefighters only rescued persons deemed worthy only by the firefighters' arbitrary standards. How does that sound to you?

The very essence of mercy lies in its unconditional nature, but the way you've explained it makes it no less different from a transactional agreement, reducing mercy to a quid-pro-quo arrangement, where the grantor of mercy must expect something in return, and this is hardly indicative of the hallmark of a truly omnibenevolent deity. But god "keep[ing] mercy for those who love Him", made me chuckle though . Dunno why. Maybe it's because the concept sounds to me like a divine "spin the wheel and see what number you can come up with" type of game lol.

even a fool finds amusing what they do not understand and that's understandable, it is stated in proverbs words which you are obviously ignorant of, but unsurprising you make assumptions with such arrogant confidence one would think you have knowledge of what you speak of. When was mercy ever stated to be unconditional. Like I said, if you blind you wouldn't see the light nor realize the one who has blinded you and think to yourself that you were born that way and every other person is the same.

But even though ignorant isn't it stupid to think mercy is unconditional when judgement exists. Why then does judgement exist? When you reject the truth and believe a lie, you birth a confusion that drives your mind to destruction.

Because mercy has a condition doesn't mean it is reduced to your petty nature of evaluating everything into materialistic terms.


How absurd, should an unrepentant evil be given mercy unconditional just to justify the false god you created in your mind as what is acceptable to you. You would have to be an ignorant fool to be such a god, you would have to be blind and deceivable to let go of one because they say sorry whereas there hearts remain as evil as it was before.

Don't you agree? Such is foolishness.

But then again how can the judgement of the blind be compared to the one who actually sees.

Smh at you sugarcoating divine capriciousness with this charmingly naive analogy, that doesn't address nada, and isn't even applied properly lol.

Now let me help you: Playing along with your analogy through the lens of divine predestination, we can confidently assert that, in view of your funny logic, some students will be pre-selected to fail, no matter how studious or diligent they were before the exams. Pretty much the same as those wicked lecturers, who arrogate the full power of the success and failure of their students, to themselves. In this case, the hapless fellows, my friend, are those dumbass students who think their efforts matter when, in reality, marks have already been allocated, and the results fully prepared. Is this fair to you, gohf? By your own twisted logic?

True free will requires that the outcomes are NOT preordained.

even among men, you are free to make a choice but not free to determine the consequences of your decisions. How pathetic that you wrote of a spinning wheel and still do not understand such simple stuff, or in your terms, simple "concept".

You asked me a question
"Picture a reality where firefighters only rescued persons deemed worthy only by the firefighters' arbitrary standards. How does that sound to you?"

Let me ask you can firefighters save those who have died to the fire?

The basis of your question reflects a wicked and selfish nature and is irrespective to making judgement.

Can a firefighter save you after you have set yourself on fire?

Even among firefighters they have limited time and would choose to save those who are savable within their power and means. Yes, it's a reality you can't accept because you have chosen delusion.

An actor has a little bit of agency in his use of words and improv, but does that mean he can transcend his eventual fate in the movie script? You deign to cast aspersions on me and call me arrogant simply because I refuse to accept a reality that makes a mockery of human autonomy, but who is truly arrogant in ignorance here, gohf? You say I should seek the truth, but do you even know what truth is? Truth, my friend, is not the exclusive domain of those who subscribe, unapologetically, to a particular set of beliefs. Truth is established via the pursuit of knowledge, intentional application of critical thinking, and developing a level of intellectual self-awareness to be able to question the status quo. If divine predestination is true, then free will as a concept becomes an elaborate charade, no matter how much philosophical window dressing you apply to deceive yourself that it isn't.

look it's understandable when you say primary declaration because you are ignorant of what is said and what is written, but such folly should not be the basis of your reasoning.

You speak of an author and forget that he was casted and chosen and accepted both the role and the script. Are you also ignorant of that common practice among humans, being ignorant of God's word is understandable but must you show such level of ignorance of what is common knowledge?

Yet you say, "I call you arrogant simply because you refuse to accept a reality" when it is evident from your words that you don't.

Amuse me a bit, since you find some of this cute and funny, you probably have a lot of mental imaginations to speak about.

Let me use your own words
Truth is established via the pursuit of knowledge... so my question stands, have you sought the truth or stayed within the confines of the lies fed to you or your own imagination. Listen if something you tells you what you heard is a lie, is it not common sense to verify and find out the truth.

Look I was you without the arrogance, I was not born with knowledge so I read, I prayed, I worked hard silently for year, and I still do, do not make a mockery of those who actually asked when you don't even bother to search.

Where is your critical thinking and level of intelligence when you do not understand my words, when you call a simple analogy as "sugarcoating divine capriciousness with this charmingly naive analogy" but conclude that
"If divine predestination is true, then free will as a concept becomes an elaborate charade"
The entire essence of my position rests not on the metaphysical origins of "souls", neither does it rest on my presence at it's formation." Whereas you gave an analogy using wicked lectures and an unfair system.

You cannot see the truth, if turn that which is good wicked just to win an argument, you cannot see if you call light darkness.

You are shaking your head and not hearing what I am saying but the vibrations in your head as a result of the shaking. If you tried reasoning and looking for the truth without prejudice you might actually understand, but would a deep rooted hate let you. Is there a need to set anyone up to fail if they don't even show up in class in the first place?

The likes of you cannot claim to be ignorant, whereas there is mercy for those who were not privileged to know, but then what about you. In a day an age when you can actually access a bible and READ it and STUDY it, you fail to do so, you can reach out and ask questions but you fail to do so. So you think the excuse is o, you are predestined to fail.

Cut the crap, you think I studied and worked hard because I had some special calls or that I am better than you. No, I am doing my best as I have nothing to lose, but then what about you what do you lose from doing what is right? Meanwhile you sit on your ass to mock those who do?

You want to know what is fair, that everyone gets rewarded for what they have done. And that's what the message is and what the truth is. If you then speak against this, who then is twisting the truth?

The subject under scrutiny here is your god, as well as the ethical implications of him using sentient beings as lab rats. And we're not talking about pre-life consent, but of the ethical treatment of conscious mortal beings like you and me, here and now in the present.

You talk about "the ethical treatment of conscious mortal beings like you and me, here and now in the present." Meanwhile here is your so called bringing him under scrutiny, "Your god using human souls as "warning props" in divine performances, for the infantile and pointless purpose of establishing his supernatural authority is about as morally defensible"

What give you the validation to perform such scrutiny, when from your obviously lack of response and lack of knowledge to answer my questions, you show that you are not a witness to how souls were made nor how they are treated. You cannot even admit that you do not own your own life, that in itself is arrogance, what is me saying you should also query whoever takes your life away too much for you?

Or at least if you are or were a lab rat, do tell us your experiences and stop making things up like a bad sci-fi script

I assure you, gohf, my clarity on the matter is as bright as the daylight you so fondly mention, even if your own logic remains in the shadows .



Then maybe you should read your Bible again, more carefully, and watch your infantile god in action as he always tries to eat his cake and have it.



Chess o, Checkers o, Whot o, you and your god are dealing from the bottom of the deck !

if you indeed have clarity as you claim, why not provide evidence that you have been used as a lab rat. That is basic common sense for human scrutiny

TheDevilsBride:
Three things, bucko:

1> If god chooses who to be merciful to, and who not to be merciful to, his then "mercy" is not mercy, but capricious and/or malevolent selection.

2> If god pre-decides who gets condemned to destruction at the end of it all, then human free will is a comically elaborate illusion, sold to hapless fellows like you as the truth.

3> Your god using human souls as "warning props" in divine performances, for the infantile and pointless purpose of establishing his supernatural authority is about as morally defensible as using real live human beings in medical experiments, absent their consent.

As we can all see, in your desperate gewürztraminer of nonsense, you tried to conjure up a get-out-of-moral-accountabilty-free card for your god only to end up presenting him as a narcissistic dungeon master who dishonestly rigged the game, long before it even began, only turn to turn around and blame the innocent pawns for losing.

Checkmate, theology .

it's cute that you say checkmate when you barely made move.

1. God chooses because He is Judge and His judgement is based on this, blessed are the merciful for they shall obtain mercy. God said He has kept mercy for those who love Him. But you assume it is on a whim, unpredictable and impulsively wicked. So you who claim to judge him wicked, should those who are merciful not obtain mercy? Should they not be chosen for mercy?

2. Before you write an exam, there already exists an answer sheet, before you write the exam, all possible answers were taught to you. Are those then who choose to listen, study and prepare believing what they were taught and applying them, called hapless?
If you were told a lie, blame the one who mislead you. If you want the truth ask and seek for it, do not assume in your ignorance to know the difference between God's predestination and the choice He has given to them. Don't you know that even those who were called may not be chosen, thereby granting an opportunity for others to be called. No you don't, if you did you would have humility and show honesty and not your arrogance from your ignorance.

3. Do you even know what a soul is, and where is comes from? Where you there when your soul was to be formed? You speak a lot of rubbish then mention consent, who did you give consent to before you had this life of yours, or from whom would you quary for taking it away? Please open your eyes, look at the chessboard, you are yet to make a move.

When the blind say, "as we can all see". Are you referring to the darkness within or your inability to tell that there's light outside of you?

The lie that has blinded you, is it that there exists an get-out-of-moral-accountabilty-free card. the god that sold that lie to you is also the one that has blinded you

Do you even know the game?
Are you playing chess or cards?

The goat became very great, but at the height of its power the large horn was broken off, and in its place four prominent horns grew up toward the four winds of heaven. Out of one of them came another horn, which started small but grew in power to the south and to the east and toward the Beautiful Land. It grew until it reached the host of the heavens, and it threw some of the starry host down to the earth and trampled on them. It set itself up to be as great as the commander(Jesus) of the army of the Lord; it took away the daily sacrifice from the Lord, and his sanctuary was thrown down. Because of rebellion, the Lord’s people and the daily sacrifice were given over to it. It prospered in everything it did, and truth was thrown to the ground. Then I heard a holy one speaking, and another holy one said to him, “How long will it take for the vision to be fulfilled—the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, the rebellion that causes desolation, the surrender of the sanctuary and the trampling underfoot of the Lord’s people?” He said to me, “It will take 2,300 evenings and mornings; then the sanctuary will be reconsecrated.”

...

“In the latter part of their reign, when rebels have become completely wicked, when iniquity and transgressions abound, a mighty fierce-looking king, a master of intrigue understanding mysteries, will arise. He will become very strong, but not by his own power. He will cause astounding devastation and will succeed in whatever he does. He will destroy those who are mighty, the holy people. He will cause deceit to prosper, and he will consider himself superior. When they feel secure, he will destroy many and take his stand against the Prince of princes. Yet he will be destroyed, but not by human power. Daniel 8: 8 - 25

“He gave me this explanation: ‘The fourth beast is a fourth kingdom that will appear on earth. It will be different from all the other kingdoms and will devour the whole earth, trampling it down and crushing it. The ten horns are ten kings who will come from this kingdom. After them another king will arise, different from the earlier ones; he will subdue three kings. He will speak against the Most High and oppress his holy people and try to change the set times and the laws. The holy people will be delivered into his hands for a time, times and half a time. Daniel 7: 23 - 25

The kingdom of man on earth now is called politics, of which the elected ruler stays about 4years per term. Strange isn't it? I don't know how it takes for one government to hand over to the next nor duration of campaign and all that. Though a 6months difference in length it is strangely similar duration.

He will favor those who forsake the Holy covenant, he will defile the sanctuary and put an end to daily worship by replacing it with abomination that causes destruction.

Those who go against God's covenant he will corrupt with flattery and win them over to his side but those who KNOW THEIR GOD, and OBEY HIM, shall grow and produce, they shall be strong and obey, they shall stand firm resisting him and have understanding to instruct others, teaching and telling them what is happening, irrespective of the consequences, of the persecutions and sufferings they will face.

While all these persecutions are going on, a little help will arrive, and many who are not sincere will join them deceitfully for their own selfish reasons, hypocrites full of lies and flattery.

And some of those who have understanding will stumble, they will be defeated as they are tested to be cleansed and chosen, some will waver and become weak, but the sufferings, the persecutions, the test and refining which comes to purify and make spotless must continue till the end of time, until the right appointed time when the end shall come, when all shall be gathered.


Hmm, he shall do according to his own will, exalting himself, saying he is greater than every god there is and even blamspheme against the Most High God. He will succeed and be prosperous till God's wrath is full and God's word fulfilled. He shall have no regard for God nor the desire for women, he shall magnify himself above all and instead he shall proclaim and honor a new god, god of forces, god of fortresses, a strong god representing a stronghold where people gather, he will worship strength and power and honor it with gold, silver, money, gifts and costly things.
With his god he will attack others, to increase it's glory and honor those who submit to him appointing them positions of authority, making them to rule others and dividing land among them as their reward...

(This story is from Daniel 11)

Those who have ears hear what the Spirit is saying.

Prayer Point Today
Father help me to stand strong till the end, that I do not waver that I do not fall. Help me to know you LORD God, that I may be purified by your truth and not corrupted by lies. Help me to hold unto your word and covenant till your son Jesus Christ comes. In Jesus name we plea, amen.

JUST READ YOUR BIBLE

You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life. “I do not accept glory from human beings, but I know you. I know that you do not have the love of God in your hearts. I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not accept me; but if someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him. How can you believe since you accept glory from one another but do not seek the glory that comes from the only God? John 5: 39 - 44


People worshiped the dragon because he had given authority to the beast, and they also worshiped the beast and asked, “Who is like the beast? Who can wage war against it?” The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise its authority for forty-two months. It opened its mouth to blaspheme God, and to slander his name and his dwelling place and those who live in heaven. It was given power to wage war against God’s holy people and to conquer them. And it was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation. All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world. Whoever has ears, let them hear. Revelation 13: 4 - 9


Devil has always wanted to be worshipped as God, even the true Christ was tempted.

Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. “All this I will give you,” he said, “if you will bow down and worship me.” Jesus said to him, “Away from me, Satan! For it is written: ‘Worship the Lord your God, and serve him only.’ ” Matthew 4: 8 - 10


Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God. For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with how Satan works. He will use all sorts of displays of power through signs and wonders that serve the lie, and all the ways that wickedness deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness. 2 Thessalonians 2: 3 - 12

In John.6

Jesus told them, "This is what God wants you to do: Believe in the one he has sent."...
However, only those the Father has given me will come to me, and I will never reject them. For I have come down from heaven to do the will of God who sent me, not to do what I want. And this is the will of God, that I should not lose even one of all those he has given me, but that I should raise them to eternal life at the last day. For it is my Father's will that all who see his Son and believe in him should have eternal life--that I should raise them at the last day."
For people can't come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them to me, and at the last day I will raise them from the dead.

I live by the power of the living Father who sent me; in the same way, those who partake of me will live because of me.


Then Jesus said, "That is what I meant when I said that people can't come to me unless the Father brings them to me."

"As for me, I will certainly not sin against the LORD by ending my prayers for you. And I will continue to teach you what is good and right. But be sure to fear the LORD and sincerely worship him. Think of all the wonderful things he has done for you. But if you continue to sin, you and your king will be destroyed." (1Sam.12.23-25)

Steep:
John 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

The same honor given to the father is given to the Son or else you don't worship God.

The service Paul is taking about is spiritual service. Spiritual service is only given to God but now it is given to Jesus.

Matt.10.40 "He who receives you receives me, and he who receives me receives the one who sent me.

Lucifyre:
When i say these christards are schizophrenic it sounds like a joke. Is this not full blown psychosis on display.😅

real psychosis is thinking you can be wicked threat people badly and get away with it

Themandator:
Abrsham was already blessed not with the blessing.



Blessing is different from having material possession


It is your escort spirit through life that is created by the blessing

Blessing is word created

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ICEWIN:
Your level of reasoning is still daft.
I have every right to dictate to you,left for you to comply or not.....

it maybe to you, but your evaluation is useless even to yourself. How do you cope?
Well being arrogant and deceiving yourself is also your right and your choice.

One question was all you had to answer and you showed you are incapable of even doing that. Ignorance.

"You have the right to dictate to others". Arrogance.

🤣 even a daft person won't comply with you. Reading you post may actually make one daft 😮‍💨. I apologize for responding to you 😔 I assumed you had reasoning within you, I confused you for a sensible person. I am sorry if you at least have a heart, forgive me 🙏

Steep:
So you worship a creature.
Romans 1:25
They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

You serve what is not God.
Galatians 4:8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.

You are a pagan.

those who worship things and created things as God's are pagan.

Would I also be a pagan for serving my country, and bowing to my parents. Steep don't being steep in stupidity. You constantly reject the truth and promote a lie to destroy the souls of others. Who will save you if you don't stop when mercy and grace is available and you reject it.

Steep:
Do you know? Thomas confessed that Jesus is his Lord and God.
John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God.

Paul confessed that Jesus is our great God and saviour
Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

the great God not gods, and our Savior Jesus Christ. If you listened all the times I answered you, you won't be repeated your folly again and again.

kingxsamz:
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He's a genocidal maniac, just like Hitler. You're typing all this and still proving me right. Just go and rest your head bro.

Like I wrote If you kill people children, God will kill your children one by one, he may even keep you alive and watch your grandchildren die one by one. It's will be so painful because you won't realize and will forget He is the one who gave life. You don't own life, not even your own.

If you think God is evil because He judges your wickedness and punishes you for it. Yes He give evil to the evil. He has no mercy or goodness towards them. You refuse to repent or change, you will suffer for the evil you enjoy.

ICEWIN:
At the end of your writeup you just decribe God as evil.
Moral lesson stop arguing with people,some people are just smart, serve God if you want to without all this unnecessary argument it won't change who God is.
Is just like every religion has the good and the bad,the poor and the rich.
Focus on your religion and forget about argument.
Atheist people can prove with evidence that God is evil.

and where in that writeup did I describe God as evil, could you highlight it or quote it out?

Don't know what you find smart about what he said. And who you are to tell others to focus and not argue. Please keep your advise, I am very focused on what I am doing. If you can't speak the truth be quiet, I didn't try to get him to serve God, and if I wish to speak to him it is my choice not yours. Now if you can't show where my writeup shows I describe God as evil, then it shows your level of reasoning to judge them smart in the first place.

sonmvayina:
The matrix is real...

yes I watched the movie

sonmvayina:
Are you scared of death?

so I have to be sacred of death for me to correct and tell you to use yourself in what you believe. If you believe it, use yourself.

Me when I leave this world I will go where the souls awaiting resurrection are.

If you want to expire, go ahead don't add me, go on you own

kingxsamz:
Your god, the chiId kiIIer and genocidal freak?
Mtchew.
What has Hitler done that your god hasn't already carried out in the bible? Yet the so called bad guy hasn't even done close to half of it.

Before you quote me make sure your brain IS Intact alright?

Type something that makes sense and is related to what we are discussing.

If you are angry with God that's your business, Jesus is the mediator not me, so go to Jesus if you want peace or go amd fight God.

You keep mentioning a bad guy, who is the bad guy, if you like the bad guy follow him, did I say you should stop. Guy continue.

If you want to accuse my God of evil, come with proof and stop ranting like someone who doesn't have the brain to bring out real proof.

God kills and makes alive, He kills not just the body but also the soul. He kills the wicked and all their children for all the blood they have spilled, for all the children they have killed. God is just and the vengeance of the weak.

If you kill people children, God will kill your children one by one, he may even keep you alive and watch your grandchildren die one by one. It's will be so painful because you won't realize and will forget He is the one who gave life. You don't own life, not even your own.

So while you are foolish enough not to fear Him, even if you claim He is wicked, at least the devil that goes against God has power, you what do you have?

frank317:
N

Ur position is clear... at least we now know that all these testimonies about God doing stuff are lies... he does nothing for me, just waits and reward us for our good work.

God does do things o.
Truly maybe God does nothing for you, I am not God and He didn't tell me, so I can take your word based on you speaking for yourself. That's between you and God, if it is true or a lie. But please don't treat me as a fool that I suggested to you that God does nothing.

If you don't want God to reward you, that your business and your choice, if He does, tell Him not to.

kingxsamz:
so you agree that people should bow to powerful tyrants simply because they're wicked and eviI right? So you agree your god is a tyrant... Got it.👍🏾

you are conversing with yourself that's a sign of abnormality. Stop answering yourself and answer me.

My God is good, if you want to speak speak about what you have. It is foolish to absolutely believe what you are assuming and have no proof to. You don't know my God so stop assuming and speak concerning your own gods.

It is well

sonmvayina:
What Isaiah actually wrote in chapter 9:6 of his book was :

6..For a [b]child has been born to us, a son given to us, [/b]and the authority is upon his shoulder, and the wondrous adviser, the mighty God, the everlasting Father, called his name, "the prince of peace." הכִּי־יֶ֣לֶד יֻלַּד־לָ֗נוּ בֵּן נִתַּן־לָ֔נוּ וַתְּהִ֥י הַמִּשְׂרָ֖ה עַל־שִׁכְמ֑וֹ וַיִּקְרָ֨א שְׁמ֜וֹ פֶּ֠לֶא יוֹעֵץ֙ אֵ֣ל גִּבּ֔וֹר אֲבִי־עַ֖ד שַׂר־שָׁלֽוֹם:
7.To him who increases the authority, and for peace without end, on David's throne and on his kingdom, to establish it and to support it with justice and with righteousness; from now and to eternity, the zeal of the Lord of Hosts shall accomplish this.


The bolded is in past tense.
When Isaiah penned those words the child in question has already been born. The son has already been born to them. The person in question will be a future king that will seat on David's throne. Isaiah is prophesying that when he seats on the throne the people will rejoice, because he will be a righteous king. Hello was speaking of no other than future king Hezekiah.
It is not speaking about jesus(assuming jesus actually existed) He was never a king that sat on the throne of David.
I don't know why you people keep applying it to jesus. It is not about him.
Learn to read a story in context. Stop removing a text from it's contest that it is part of.

See the next verse self. It is not jesus..

are you not deceiving yourself again, didn't Hezekiah die or are you saying God lied?

"To him who increases the authority, and for peace without end," was Hezekiah's kingdom with unending peace, or you want me to read the scriptures for you?

on David's throne? Did David rule two tribes of Israel?

from now and to eternity? Hezekiah died, so where is the eternity?

Just look at you lying against God and accusing Him of lying because of your lack of understanding.

Afolue:
Jesus knew he was leaving them was when he handed over to Peter. Where he asked him if he truly loved him about 3 times. It was Peter and no one else. . . And that is where the pillar of the Catholic faith stands till date.

Your are the rock and upon the rock I have built the church.

Other men of God are voluntary service. Tis why the steady breakaways. Has the Catholic Church broken till then? No! People only leave and it’s a free will.

Ordination no be beans. God no be small person

oh you are part of that religion called Catholic 🤦

Please try and study the bible and pray to God for the spirit of God to teach you His truth.

Afolue:
“with the wisdom God gave him” ! When Paul was arrested who was he asked to go meet? Has Paul and Peter ever met one on one in existence? The answer is No! That is what I mean. Though He speaks out of wisdom, outrightly yes!

Second, Peter never knew Paul by all standards. The proof if from your previous quote. He was hearing of him but he never knew him in person! In which he admitted

I have given a clear explanation of what I mean, from the church which is Jesus Christ to Peter coming down to the present day pope and to the future popes. “ Jesus” is the divine authority here, who passed it on.

Jesus was an ordained prophet even before he was born, Peter never was from the Holy Spirit, it was by Jesus proclamation (chosen) by natural authority as a prophet from birth just as the likes of Samuel, Samson, John the Baptist etc. Remember what Jesus said about Judas iscariot? He was as well ordained. Was it the Holy Spirit that came upon Judas upon betrayal? No!

What does the word ordained mean? Power bestowed upon them by God most high. Why didn’t you mention ordinarily men? It was God using whom he ordained to carry out his ordinance. So it was God who did. Yes! Never did any carried anything on their own accord! So get the difference

Gal.1.18 Then after three years, I went up to Jerusalem to get acquainted with Peter and stayed with him fifteen days.

Yet you wrote, "Has Paul and Peter ever met one on one in existence? The answer is No! That is what I mean."

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"Peter never knew Paul by all standards. The proof if from your previous quote. He was hearing of him but he never knew him in person! In which he admitted"

Gal.2.14 When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter in front of them all, "You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?

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Do you even know what is written in the bible that you claim to teach from?

kingxsamz:
None. I mean, does one have to side with Hitler because he was a powerful tyrant?
What kind of question is that?

my guy you are already under someone power, you live in a country ruled by others. It's not even up to the weak to pick who rules them, is it?

Afolue:
is there any verse of Peter’s death in the Bible? So where do you expect me to show you from?

The hierarchy of the Pope is from Peter. And if a Pope does pass away another will not arise. And they are divinely chosen in their own ways. Please read more. We don’t need begin arguments. Or simply ask any catholic priest is all I can say. At most google it “hierarchy of the Popes”.

but Peter the one in the bible wasn't the head of the church, oh well that's Jesus, but Peter wasn't their leader. It was James.