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sonmvayina:
Ok. I read it now. And my post still stands.

He said there was no one besides him. So how you
And are you insinuating that God who is a spirit has another spirit??

Hope you know, God has no physical form.

God created the heavens and the earth and..... the spirit of God was moving upon the face of waters. Who told you that because God is a consuming fire who makes his ministers flame of fire and in front of Him are the burning ones means they are God?

There is only one God, stop asking me what I never insinuated nor suggested

New party or club loading. Maybe they would invite whiz kid to join their choir and Davido to be their choir director

sonmvayina:
It is impossible because God would be breaking his own law...

if such was eternal then wouldn't sex also be in heaven?

sonmvayina:
That would be magic..

God already said a man's sperm will fertilize a woman's egg, so that a life can begin. When a woman just became pregnant without a man's input that would be impossible....

it would be impossible because?

You believe God is dumb and cannot speak anymore, or you think every living thing that came to be came to be through sex. So the staff of Moses turned to snake out of magic? Or bread manna from above was also magic? Should they not have farmed and harvested to eat?

Look when you lack basic understanding and knowledge of God, you will find it hard to accept what God said and what God does.

sonmvayina:
Where is the bolded contained in Genesis...

See Isaiah45: 5 &6

5 I am the Lord, and there is no other; besides Me there is no God: I will strengthen you although you have not known Me.
6 In order that they know from the shining of the sun and from the west that there is no one besides Me; I am the Lord and there is no other.

What do you have to say ?

the bolded you highlighted did I say it was written in Genesis or did I tell you that it was a god or another god?

Did you even read what I wrote?

Did I in anyway infer that there was another god?

sonmvayina:
https://www.atheists.org/activism/resources/did-jesus-exist/

you know after reading this whole thing, and making a few points from it to show how poor their reasoning is intellectually and how their basis is more like speculation and assumptions, they were no single undeniable evidence only a person expressing their personal opinion and doubts.

I considered their logic but also their apparent lack of evidence to those who forged what.

I have listened to intelligent unbelievers, historians, but this was by far the worst, it was like it was written for foolish people or anyone who wants something to hang on

It's funny when people accuse history of being manipulated and they lack evidence of it, and then they put to the same history that they agree can be manipulated in attempt to prove it was manipulation.

sonmvayina:
gohf,
Why does God need a son for?

Maybe you have another angle to this discussion..

Did God ever say He needed a son?

We are the ones who need the son of God not the other way around?

If you ask why does God need a representative upon the earth, then you can also ask why does God need to be God and create?


Only what God tells us is what we know, and what God revealed in Genesis is that God called for light and there was light and so began the rest of God's creation and making. God made a decision to make a tool to use for his work and God called him forth.

So maybe God would have used something else but what God did use to create was His word which He spoke and it performed.

Or are you saying I should explain why God needs His word?
It is for the same reason God brought forth His spirit, the spirit that gives wisdom before He spoke, so will I also have to know why God needs His spirit and His wisdom, have you ever considered that they were not for Him but for His purpose and what He wants to do.

I believe the goal of the Bereshit is God making a house full of His children and He decided how it was going to be and who would be in it.

There are things I don't know, even though you ask them. For example why is there God? How am I supposed to answer that, would we not first know who God is before we even consider why or even what He has need of. God who is self sufficient and sovereign He tells us He doesn't need anything He is sufficient for Himself, so all He has created and made isn't even for Himself and that's why His children inherit everything.

sonmvayina:
Continue deluding yourself..
No be onyinbo bring Christianity for una..
Come to London and see how it is falling...
To them, it has served it's purpose...
God is not a Jewish man up in the sky...he is the universal divine consciousness fully embodied and personified....he can't impregnate any body ..he does not need a son..

would love to go to London but not to see how it is falling, many of these people never truly believed and used religion for their own motives so it is understandable.

Saying God can't do something when there's nothing impossible for God would mean for you to agree God can't be a man to do what you just mentioned, but can God's power get a young lady pregnant who hasn't met a man before. Yes He can.

Who was the one who created the female organs, and proclaimed the laws of conception in the first place. It is God by his word or don't you believe God is able to do what He says?

God indeed doesn't need a son, but we do don't we, it is because of us God sent his son.

And how can you claim to believe the scriptures when you don't even understand the term "son of God"

Is she changing religion so as to look good or what?
Isn't the transformation she is showing change in cloth or is there something I missed

DaddyCoool:
You said "create", didn’t you?
Here's the Bible:
Colossians 1:16 - God created EVRRYTHING through his beloved Son, Jesus Christ.

John 1:3 - ALL things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made

Are you saying he was part of the everything that HE HIMSELF created?

I built the whole table with a hammer, without my hammer I wouldn't have built the table, all my furnitures were built with it.

Do you see how perplexing it is to call the hammer the creator?

Jesus was called out by God and used in commanding other things to be, creating and making them.

Thankgod89:
Thank you for pointing out these important questions. Let me clarify what I meant and address your concerns thoughtfully.

When I said, "being born again refers to the spiritual transformation that happens when someone accepts Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior," I was describing the ideal process—what should happen when someone genuinely embraces Christ. This transformation involves a deep, inner renewal by the Holy Spirit, changing one's heart, mind, and actions in alignment with God’s will (John 3:5-6; 2 Corinthians 5:17).

However, my follow-up statement reflects the reality that not everyone who professes faith in Christ experiences or fully embraces this transformation. Here’s why:

1. Faith Without Depth: Some accept Jesus intellectually or emotionally but do not allow the Holy Spirit to truly work in their lives (Matthew 13:20-22). This can result in a lack of genuine transformation.

2. Resistance to Growth: While salvation is a gift, spiritual growth requires cooperation with God. Some resist surrendering fully, holding on to old ways, which stunts their transformation (Ephesians 4:22-24).

3. Misunderstanding of Salvation: There is sometimes a misunderstanding that accepting Christ is just a one-time declaration, rather than the start of a lifelong journey of faith and renewal (Philippians 2:12-13).

So, when I concluded, "many have accepted Jesus into their lives but have not truly been born again," I wasn’t saying that true transformation is optional or incomplete. Instead, I was highlighting that outward acceptance doesn’t always equate to genuine, inward rebirth if there’s no evidence of spiritual growth and change.

Ultimately, Jesus taught that true discipleship involves both hearing His words and putting them into practice (Matthew 7:21-23). Accepting Jesus is the starting point, but the journey of being born again involves yielding to the Holy Spirit, leading to a life transformed by grace.

What are your thoughts on this? I’d love to hear your perspective!

I appreciate your response and your biblical texts attached to each point.

Let me share with you what I have learnt from your explanation.

So the transformation of being born again is a process that begins when one accepts Jesus as their Lord and Savior.

Now while some have heard God's word and experienced the joy of conversation they don't bear fruit, they have no evidence of being born again, because they lacked depth in God's word, they were not rooted in it. They did not go through work of transformation by the Holy spirit which gives them that depth.

And while some resist, some cooperate with God's work in their lives. And some due to wrong teaching about salvation believe they are already saved because of their declaration so don't feel a need for more depth and growth.

Dearest friends, you were always so careful to follow my instructions when I was with you. And now that I am away you must be even more careful to put into action God's saving work in your lives, obeying God with deep reverence and fear. For God is working in you, giving you the desire to obey him and the power to do what pleases him. (Philippians 2:12-13)
So the work of salvation in us is continuous.

I agree with your conclusion, would have highlighted it but I also agree with your explanation as well and there are many valid points there to highlight.

My thoughts agree with what you have explained and is valid for the salvation of souls.

My perspective is that when a person believes God's word and repents, returning back to God, they become born again and they experience and see the kingdom of God which is the purpose of repentance and proof one genuinely believes, repented and is born again. The only reason one would not have this experience is either because they rejected God's word or they were not given God's word in the first place, so what they believed was a lie. And it is God's word that is power to save.

Looking at what Peter wrote
1Pet.1.23 For you have been born again. Your new life did not come from your earthly parents because the life they gave you will end in death. But this new life will last forever because it comes from the eternal, living word of God.

And what he wrote previously shows that it is only through God's word we come to trust in God.
1Pet.1.21-22 - Through Christ you have come to trust in God. And because God raised Christ from the dead and gave him great glory, your faith and hope can be placed confidently in God. Now you can have sincere love for each other as brothers and sisters because you were cleansed from your sins when you accepted the truth of the Good News. So see to it that you really do love each other intensely with all your hearts.

The issue is that many are not proclaiming God's word but theirs, or they are teaching and practicing the laws of Moses, instead of the gospel, so many are not even hearing the gospel to begin with and what they are hearing leaves them in the same state they were in, in the beginning as a result of the deception of the devil.

If we say to receive the gospel is the conception of one's faith, where we go from death to life, being cleansed by the blood of Jesus and then being able to obey Jesus and love, we can say such a person is born of God's word and has new life, having a new heart and is born again.

So when one receives a dead word like a dead sperm, there will no conception, no new life and no birth. So they won't experience anything that occurs within those who actually received the living word of God.

Now when we want to go deeper, and consider that seeing the kingdom of God, like Jesus said in John 3:3 which is the privilege of those who are born again, is different from the privilege of those born of the spirit which enter the kingdom of God John 3:5.

First I can say that just as a baby is dependent completely upon it's mother while in the womb, such is the process from believing to receiving of the Holy Spirit, so before the Holy Spirit can work in a person such a person has to have received him. And that's why Jesus is the author of our faith, who through his blood cleanses us and liberates for the reception of the Holy Spirit. For the spirit of God is where liberty is, and who the son sets free is free indeed. But if people are still in bondage and not set free would they receive the Spirit of truth which the world cannot receive? No. But for those who do become born again, receiving the Holy Spirit, it is evident by the change that occurs within them that God has chosen them.

That's why my perspective is that being born again, is like a baby who sincerely desire the milk of God's word but also would have to make effort in their growth as you have mentioned so that the transformation is complete and also seen more outwardly. And it is as natural though a war, they overcome because they are willing and submissive to God's work in their lives. And this work lasts throughout our lives.

Now should we also consider that being born in the spirit and becoming spirit isn't something that can occur while one is still in the flesh, which means the process occurs at one's death.

That is why Paul would say, it is what he looked forward to attain and obtain it. So therefore the work of the Holy Spirit which begins upon reception must continue in a man's life until they leave this world. Wherein Jesus says those who stay till the end is saved.


So being born again we receive that gift of new life and God's spirit, tasting God's power and having the assurance of things to come. But unfortunately many are not genuinely born again so they leave and as John would say, they left because they were never a part of us.

Things like persecution and lust for money would not permit them to bear fruit because the Holy Spirit that makes us fruitful isn't at work within them.

This is my perspective, hearing from you was a blessing we need more messages on the need for discipleship. Thanks

MaxInDHouse:
The phrase "BORN AGAIN" has deeper meaning that most churchgoers can't grasp but i will explain.

There are two persons dragging an issue one is an accuser while the other is the most powerful in the universe.

Almighty God said humans can't rule themselves successfully but an enemy who wanted to rule slandered God so as to gain the support of humans.

The first human couple joined this enemy and sold all their descendants to slavery under the rulership of Satan (Slanderer)

From that time onwards mankind had to face the fact that whoever wants to rule in either side must be anointed/initiated, in the circle belonging to Satan humans have to become members of his coven by serving him as their Lord after all he is the head of rebels but on the other hand Jehovah made someone His anointed King (Messiah or Christ) who will conquer the enemy (Satan) by gathering 144,000 from those under the human government and God will anoint them to rule with Jesus but they have a huge task ahead of them if they must win the crown as Christ's corulers.

This is what Nicodemus wanted as a ruler among the Jews he wanted to cross from being a member of Satan's coven to God's side that's why Jesus told him that he must be BORN AGAIN! John 3:3-5

The truth is whether God's side of Satan's whoever wants a seat as coruler must be anointed or initiated but while Satan's agents are given their rewards right here on planet earth {Luke 4:5-7} Jesus' corulers must give all what they have now to secure the seat with Jesus in heaven! Luke 18:22

So either side both have a lot to do with the spirit realms!

how do you even understand your own explanation? From what you have written what then does it mean to be born again?

Thankgod89:
I understand you, and I’d like to explain something about being "born again" that many people may not fully realize. Many Christians have accepted Jesus as their Savior, but they are not truly born again. While these two concepts are closely related, they are not the same.

According to Scripture, being born again refers to the spiritual transformation that happens when someone accepts Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. It is a rebirth or regeneration of the spirit, symbolizing a new beginning in one's relationship with God. On the other hand, accepting Christ involves the act of recognizing your sinfulness, acknowledging your need for a Savior, and receiving Jesus as your Lord and Savior.

To put it another way, accepting Christ is like opening the door to your heart, while being born again is the work of the Holy Spirit entering and transforming your life from within.

Unfortunately, many Christians stop at accepting Christ without experiencing the transformation that being born again brings. After receiving Christ, there must be a renewal of the mind. Without this renewal, old habits and sinful behaviors—such as lying, insults, fighting, immorality, and other wrongdoings—may persist in a person's life.

In summary, many have accepted Jesus into their lives but have not truly been born again, as they lack the spiritual transformation that follows.

it's nice that you trying to explain this but you wrote
"being born again refers to the spiritual transformation that happens when someone accepts Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior."
Then wrote
"Unfortunately, many Christians stop at accepting Christ without experiencing the transformation that being born again brings."

A transformation that occurs when they are Jesus is stopped by them, why, how? Or are you saying they do get transformed and are born again but don't experience what it is supposed to bring?

Then your conclusion
"In summary, many have accepted Jesus into their lives but have not truly been born again, as they lack the spiritual transformation that follows."

You are saying it is possible to accept Jesus and not be transformed? Who taught you that?

HolinesstodLord:
Sin is the mark of the devil and all children of the devil carry the mark of SIN.

In the spirit, SIN is Satan Identification Number. That’s how those of the devil are identified.

It is written “He that commit sin is of the devil”. (1 John 3: . Do you commit sin? Lying is a sin.. Taking bribe is a sin. Stealing, fraud , yahoo yahoo is a sin.

Many Christians are in hell Fire because of sins. Grace is no license to sin. It’s license to be Holy.

Repent and SIN no more. Jesus came to destroy sin & make you holy.


Say not “Nobody holy pass or He without sin cast the 1st stone”.

Jesus is Holy and can make you holy.

Remember, we all have a deadline on earth. Repent before your deadline.

But if we are living in the light of God's presence, just as Christ is, then we have fellowship with each other, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, cleanses us from every sin.
If we say we have no sin, we are only fooling ourselves and refusing to accept the truth. But if we confess our sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive us and to cleanse us from every wrong. If we claim we have not sinned, we are calling God a liar and showing that his word has no place in our hearts.

Those who love sin and work Iniquity are different from those who don't but still have sin which they pray, Father forgive us and we forgive others as well, be merciful to us as we are merciful to others. Those who are perfect don't need such prayers

HolinesstodLord:
Jehovah is a Being, a Spirit before whom there was no God formed. He is the only God. He created you. he created me.

But why can’t man find him? God hide himself. It is part of his glory. He dwell in the holy and high place where those who can get access must possess one thing: HOLINESS.

He is not far from you but you can’t see him
But he sees you and knows and is aware of all you doing at this moment. Many are practicing religion while sinning in the secret and getting more frustrated in trying to find God.

Hypocrisy is a sin. Many Christians are hypocrites and God will rejects them.

God is Holy & Christians must be Holy.

Let’s try the Holiness Test.

Do you lie?
Do you steal?
Do you watch porn?
Do you fornicate?
Do you practice sodomy(homosexuality)?
Are you cheating on your wife or husband sexually? - Adultery.
Do you watch evil and sins(fornication, adultery, murder, naked men and women on BBNaija, sexual perversion, etc on TV?
Do you commit abortion/murder?
Do you lust after men or women?
Are you a drunkard?
Are you into dark practices of the occult, witchcraft, astral travel, horoscope, palm reading, etc.
And many others…

if you do any of such listed above, you are deemed unholy before God & are counted unworthy and filthy to see the Holy King in his beauty.


And that same unholiness will make you worthy of Hell Fire where Sinners are devoured and punished by everlasting fire.

Repent and be converted. Jesus Christ saved me from all those sins. He can save you too.

Holiness Unto The Lord.

Should I be glad my sins were not listed here, but I also guilty of a couple here as well. God knows already. To take alcohol which is not sin, neither a defense who addicted to such harmful substances and gambling as well. Don't I lie, yes I do. If I am saved it won't be because I am sinless and perfect it would be because of God's mercy and because I obeyed his command to love others, but if I am not saved and I perish it's not because God is wicked, it is because of the sins of which I may have hurt or destroyed others.

So I pray no ever believes me when I lie, I pray I never get angry or lose my self, I pray I don't fall into temptation, there is no justification for my nonsense but I am helpless, I am not as strong as others so I will obey God's command and be merciful and ask for forgiveness from those I hurt and from God for my many faults. He forgave others so my faith and hope is that He forgives me as well.

Nnamdipapa:
I do not believe in Jesus, the Bible or the morality of the Bible. I am holding him accountable to what he claims to believe in and preach not my own standard. I am sure you are getting my point.

I don't speak about people behind their backs when he Mrpresident1 appears let him defend himself and be subject to defense, isn't that the proper way. Should we condemn him based only on your own statement?

But for you, why do you feel you are right to hold someone else accountable to something you do not truly know, why not know it properly so that your evaluation can be considered. But this also is not my focus

I am showing you your own need for God's help, you can either accept it or reject it, and believe you are already good enough and your life which will end in sufficient for you. And for that God in his mercy will let you enjoy it to the fullness, but this is all the you would ever have because God cannot force eternal life on one who doesn't want it, should He?

Hold him accountable all you want but know that God will hold us all, even I myself accountable, for every word I am typing a record exists for it, for my sins and secrets a record exists for it, my mistakes, my faults, and even worst crimes you can think of that no man knows, God knows them all.

Nnamdipapa:
The value of life has been a question subject to philosophical arguments for decades, subject like ; Origin, morality, life after death or destination, and life meanings are topics that have been exhaustively departed in the past.

The meaning of life is subjective depending on who you ask. It is to enjoy my life to the fullest, travel round the world, date and have good sex, and raise smart children.

I will never accept the answer of the Bible as correct if David is allowed to have wives and concubines and I am thrown into hell for having one girlfriend.

I will never accept the Bible's morality if it claims kids are born in sin that does not concern them.

I will never accept the Bible's meaning if the God of the Bible commanded for the Babies of the Amalekites to be Genocied..

The value of life has you have written has been a question without a definite answer from the lists of those you wrote. Because no matter what value you give to it, death nullifies it.

So while you say, "The meaning of life is subjective depending on who you ask." Why then do you feel that your subjective definition should be used to evaluate others and should be accepted of them. So according to you, if someone does all those things, travel, sex, have children, then he has life and his life has meaning?

And yet you will never accept the bible has correct even when you are wrong?

You will never accept the Bible has correct even when obviously you don't or haven't read it, obvious from your misbelieving that having a girlfriend will lead you to hell? Where did you read that? Or were you thought and you gullibly believed that it was inside the bible.

You will go to hell for being a fornicator, and not for marrying many wives. Do you understand what it means to be a fornicator, have you ever had someone to actually teach you the bible and you read it as well.

You will never accept the Bible's morality if it claims kids are born in sin that does not concern them.

Now do you even know what sin is, where did you get your knowledge from? Don't you realize that you're prancing around like you know what you clearly do not know nor understand fully. You call it bible morality, do you know what bible morality it.

Have you even read where God said, the soul that sins that soul shall die, not for the sins of their father nor for the sins of their children.

But here you are claiming to know what you don't know, what does that tell you of yourself.

judgement based on assumptions and ignorance, is that true judgement? Be honest with yourself

You will never accept the Bible's meaning if the God of the Bible commanded for the Babies of the Amalekites to be Genocied.

You said if, are you not sure He did. Now before you judge God's command, have you ever taken care of abandoned children before? Have you adopted children from war zones and raised up to be virtuous, good and smart children. Have you taken care of other people's children, the orphans and the widows?


Let me repeat it again, before you judge others, why don't you reevaluate yourself are you actually right?

DaddyCoool:
But how can Jehovah who was ALONE have a son? Have you ever asked yourself that? Can't you see that the "son" can only be part of Jehovah, Jehovah himself?
Your JW Bible (NWT) agrees that "in the beginning was the Word" NOT "the Word came into being or was created in the beginning". The Word pre-existed the beginning and was ALWAYS with God!

Also, your JW NWT says in Collosians 2:9 "For in Christ lives all the fullness of God in a human body." This is your own JW doctored Bible admitting these o

You are always feeling wise in your folly.
But how can Jehovah who was ALONE have a son?
So how can Jehovah who according to you was alone create the whole universe?

I don't agree with JW but your error is also glaring

GothamCities:
Lol.

Thanks for shutting them up using their own doctored Bible. They know they have no answers but rather than sit down and examine the falsehoods in their hands, they'll keep going on in their delusions because they want to please the men of their organization and avoid being excommunicated.

Is it not rather good to be excommunicated by man than to be excommunicated by God?

😂😂 are you not deceiving yourself like the lie of a topic you wrote.. ALL DOUBTS CLEARED, it that not a lie, instead of clearing doubts you raised even more doubts

Nnamdipapa:
"Get a life" means to get something meaningful to do with your life as opposed to wasting it. I did not claim to have changed or been born again so, I am not under scrutiny here. He is the one preaching about going to heaven in a blaze of rapture and wanting to convert people like me.

a woman was said to have been caught in adultery, Jesus didn't focus on the woman but on those who brought her. So I ask you as well do you believe that bringing a guilty person under scrutiny while portraying your self as right or better actually means you are good and don't need God's help?

You told someone "Get a life" believing he is wasting his life and needs to do something meaningful with it. I do not know how you came about that, and you may as well be right, but then do you believe you "have a life" and "your life has meaning"

You know, please let me share this with you, hopefully you can consider what I am saying. When I was young I was told, what has value and true meaning is what lasts for long, so what is more valuable is what lasts longer

I thought to my self it made self, the more great a thing, the longer it lasts, no one would invest a lot into something that just dies off.

But by thoughts, I asked myself a question, what is the value of life, if death lasts longer than it? Do you know the answer to that?

sonmvayina:
He knows much to know it is bull crap..

there version of Christianity may be "bull crap" but that doesn't mean Jesus Christ isn't the son of God, we don't have to be religious and filling a form that says we are Christians to actually be true believers in God and believe in the one he has sent to us. The devil has propagated so many lives that why I believe salvation wasn't dependent on any text but on God's spirit and he reveals Himself to His people and draws them to salvation and those who are God's people are those who do what is good and right, for He who is judge of all will not destroy the righteous with the wicked.

Nnamdipapa:
I am writing about this topic not only because of my interaction with the Nairalander @MrPresident1, but because of my observations on Nairaland and the lived experiences of my contacts with people who profess to be Christians, especially the Pentecostal varieties.
I have attached a screenshot of our conversation, and you will notice how he immediately resorted to insults and abuses. This is someone who goes by the title of “born again,” has more than 200 topics on the Rapture, and is quick to quote Bible verses.

Now to the crux of the matter: does going to church, being born again, or religion in general lead to any change in life in a positive direction? Are the spiritual encounters we experience in our churches mere emotional manipulations with no tangible positive life changes?

This is not only related to this individual alone; I see lots of Bible-touting pastors resort to insults and curses when challenged or countered. I am proud to say I have never been to any church, read the Bible for more than two years now, and will never do so in the future.
Believe me when I tell you these people will speak in tongues in the morning and physically fight and curse you in the evening. I am unchurched, and I am well-behaved and more in control of my emotions than over 99% of these people.
Are the change of life experiences or being born again a big scam?

people claim what they are not and it's by their character you know them, but instead of looking at others let us look at your own claim

"I am unchurched, and I am well-behaved and more in control of my emotions than over 99% of these people."

Does that mean telling someone to "get a life" and you speaking confidently like you are absolutely sure, "my dog feeds better than you"

Why not reevaluate your own evaluation of yourself first. Are you not justifying yourself claiming to be in control of your emotions with a baseless claim of doing than over 8billion or more people on the planet, I don't know how you calculated your 99%. Don't you see that hypocrisy, to condemn others while justifying and elevating yourself.

That's why you need to submit to God and bear the fruit of humility. Forget others first, and focus on your own soul.

Because in truth there are those who claim to come in the name of Jesus and say they are anointed, they do all kinds of miracles and wonders and yet they also do all manner wickedness and pride, these ones are false men of God, false anointed ones but if there are fakes and false ones it means there are real ones.

But forget them all, even me as well, let's focus on the real Jesus, the son of God, giving your life to God won't make you perfect overnight, you are still in your flesh but it will give you the spirit of God and the strength to fight and overcome the pressure to be proud, selfish, look down on others, easily hate and be angry, true joy and peace that doesn't come from things nor this word, a joy that gives you strength to continue to love.

You can either accept God's help in humility or belief you are good enough yourself, accuse others and feel you are better than them or receive God's grace and be a light that men will glorify your Father in heaven

geoworldedu:
We care about the baby because her mother is not mentally stable. How do I know this? She is preaching about one of the thousands of gods in the world, exposing her baby to serious threat. It's just as if someone out there is with a baby and preaching about Mohammed, Zeus or Odin. What will you think of such person?

good person, how many people have you saved or helped that were under threat?

My question remains, so don't be pathetic and answer honestly;
Question would ANY of you if you saw her offer to help her adjust or carry the baby out of your wonderful care of how comfortable the baby should be

When millions decide not to read and study their Bibles. How do I know, grew up there, not many in the branches and HQ I have been to do, and those who do and have questions are not answered but told no time or given silly excuses.

If you doubt, take any question from here and go for bible study early Sunday morning or digging deep on Tuesday evening

Give your life to God believe in his son and in none other, and obey God

Moniker947:
There's no love amongst us. I'm at a point in my life where i see everyone as being mean and wicked

Iniquity, love of self and things, abound, and the love of many has waxed cold

Those who genuinely loved where and are still mocked but those who don't are celebrated and adored.

If you see people as mean what about you yourself, how do you see yourself

Thought you would mention Elijah along with Moses and Jesus but you mentioned Babalola, if so, then add TB Joshua and others who has said they done so as well

Padipadi:
We are now in era of always guiding.
Know well who's ya spiritual head.

and the head of the church, the body of christ, is Jesus Christ the son of God

Padipadi:
Trinity came in after Pentecost. Since there's Holy Spirit, Trinity made sense. In the hierarchy, only God is being worshiped.
Jokanem, trinity is a reminder that God Yahweh aka Allah is the Oga @ The Top. The Son Jesus Christ aka Issa aka Yeshua is the end in command and the Holy Spirit aka Holyghost is the senate president.


If you have contrary opinion, quote with sense. If you do anyhow you see anyhow.

"it makes sense" there is a way that seems right to men but the end thereof is destruction.

My stand isn't the denial of God's son and God's spirit in their role towards our salvation but denying that they are God which goes contrary to what God said

Padipadi:
Gohf it don do.
We are tired of this topic.

we shouldn't get tired of the truth because the lies of the devil are leading many astray into destruction.

Men are destroying souls with these lies

Krismas:
See confusion

1. Why should i burn down my house cos its infested? Can't i fumigate it?
2. god did not create the earth in which I live in. U can't substantiate dat and I have no interest in such fake gods. Ur bible say god made man from dust? While science shows man is 80% made of water. U people should stop dis ridiculous LIES
3. Gullibility has nothing to do with wot i own in dis world. People believe nonsense like hell, dats d fact
4. People are gullible, no doubt about that
5. There is no difference between god and devil. They just different names for same person.
6. I can change my name and age anytime i like. Those things are hardly important.
7. U don't need 100% complete proof to tell if something is a lie or truth. hell is pure lie
8. Heaven and hell was fabricated by the same religious fools bent on controlling everyone. Infact previously they were collecting money from people like u as the only way to escape hell.

1. When He is too rich to clean up trash, you throw it away

2. Oh the earth you live in created itself and doesn't want you to live more than 100yrs on it. So tell us has the earth told you why you are on it. Even the earth is 71% water and your body isn't up to 80%, so you have told a lie while accusing others of a lie that you have no proof of.


3. So you agree you are gullible

4. Including you

5. If you could see the difference you wouldn't be blind now would you, you already said heaven and hell are connected, so you thinking god and devil are the same is because the god you know is the false god who is actually the devil.

6. They are not important yet the question is, whether you trusted them or why you didn't doubt them

7. So you don't need proof before you believe something is a lie, yet you spend time asking for what you don't even need when you can easily believe whatever you want.

8. If their is fake then the original is somewhere. Why not tell us where they got the lie from that they used in stealing from you.

Padipadi:
You are the confused balablue black. You think you can just accuse people anyhow?
You think people just do religion anyhow?
If you someone is false, bring evidence.

lol the very bible is evidence against them
Of course they do religion properly with their connection and submission to worldly powers, and their ways are the broadway that leads to hell