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Uten9z:
Thanks but its important we understand that tithing is quit different from giving to the needy which is equally of important and of convanted rewards

Bring all the tithes into the storehouse so there will be enough food in my Temple[i][/i]. If you do,” says the LORD of Heaven's Armies, “I will open the windows of heaven for you. I will pour out a blessing so great you won't have enough room to take it in!

are your "tithes" in God's storehouses? Have you given them to God or to thieves?

Uten9z:
I cant argue with your theology or the source havent taken root of your claims in the bible.
What i emphasis strickly to tithing was that if thithin was than valid for us to observe Jesus christ who was made a scrificial lamb for the redeemption of our sin that through grace we can be perfect and obtain favour from God.

Besides Jesus Christ in my on understanding that among many blessing of His sacrifice was to abolish the practice of giving blood sacrifice that that ordenances man have direct access to God as was processed by the priesthood as you mentioned.
Your claim that Jesus instructed us to Love God and our neighbors is simplifing the Moses comandments.
Therefore weather its by law to observe or do the law is also through grace, if you truely have Jesus Christ, grace will enhance your ability to do as the law commanded us if not the bible say in Romans 1:28: “And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient.
Now this is where the Holy Spirit that Jesus Christ promised us , that through him we can be able to discern and do the right things provided in the law.
Dont contradict grace for not doing what is right but doing rightously to obtain favour from God.
Therefore the bible is complete for us to follow and in grace we can obtain favour from God and if tithing will bring favour by grace why not tithe.
Dont forget the bible clearly stated that as the earth remaineth sawing times and havest time will never size.
Besides haven and earth shall passaway but the word of God will not ,which part of it that if not clearly stated should stop?

the word of God is Jesus who is the wisdom and power of God to us who believe but foolishness and insufficient to those who do not.

What I wrote to you is Spirit and life and not some theology for you to agree or attempt to argue against. But seeing as you say you cannot argue against it, it wasn't written for you to do such, like I told you, you are under the law and not under grace, so obey all of it.

You say you strick to tithing, but to whom does the very bible tell you to tithe to? The Levites, the poor and the like.

Do you tithe to them?

If you, do you give the full tithe, all three of them?

You say, "through grace we can be perfect and obtain favour from God." So then why do you tithe? You don't need to tell me, but it surely shouldn't be for favor from God right?

But you did write, "if tithing will bring favour by grace why not tithe." Do you now see you are confused do you receive God's favor because of Jesus or because of money?

If it was only just blood sacrifice, then why is circumcision no longer relevant under the new covenant? If your understanding was true you should understand this as well right?

I asked you, well you haven't answered any, but let me ask again, how does your paying tithe translate the obedience to obeying the command from Jesus to love? If you do not even understand that, when why then do you truly do it? You are you serving?

The Holy Spirit wasn't given to you so that you discern which laws of Moses to obey and which you shouldn't, it was given to teach us the word of God and bring to remembrance the teachings of Jesus.

Did you not read when Paul said those law are for sinners, so it cannot be in grace for there is no sin in grace nor room for the laws of Moses.

Who then is contradicting God's grace? Surely not me who depends solely on it.

Look you can either accept the truth Jesus taught or reject it and accept the lies of men, it's your choice and your life.

Seun:
Imagine if the Holy books could be updated? Like removing offensive verses that don't represent your religion anymore. For Christianity things like "(a woman) must be silent" and "Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks" could be removed.

Before the printing press, religious books were copied by hand. The scribes took liberties with the text all the time, often at the behest of their benefactors. That's why in the NIV bible you'll see footnotes showing that there are multiple versions of a bible verse.

Some entire Bible passages were added by creative scribes. The one where Jesus saves a woman caught in adultery is an example. It's such a good story right? This shows that altering scriptural texts can be beneficial. That fabulous story has definitely saved many lives.

So why can't we improve our Holy Books? 😃

improve it to what end this time?

Tommydare:
If he feels king james version is not good, why not look for other versions?

that's why I don't support the destruction of the Bibles, there are other solutions and translations.

Uten9z:
I am under the law , what does that even emply ?
Jesus didnt come to abolish the law but to fulfit it, and by His grace we are made perfect.

That by living with grace i dont see why we should not obey or do what the law have instructed us.
If i count myself for instance to be partaker of Abrahmic law why shouldnt i live with the instructions that come with it, atleastst to the best of my abilities

what do you understand by abolish a law? Isn't it the one who gives the law that removes such law?

What do you understand by fulfilling a requirement? Isn't it when someone submits themselves and fulfills the requirements?

Now when the requirements are fulfilled, are they still of use? Haven't their purpose been meant?

Of are you saying those laws had no purpose other than what humans give to them?


Is there not a reason that the laws came first through Moses but instead grace and truth came through Jesus? Why do you think Jesus said the scripture and Moses testifies of him?

You write, "That by living with grace i dont see why we should not obey or do what the law have instructed us." Who taught you that? Who lied to you?

To live under grace is to live under the one who fulfilled the law, and that is Jesus and to live under Jesus is to obey the commandments of God. Do you not realize the difference and why Jesus mainly taught we should obey the commandments of God, summed up in loving God and our neighbors. Tell me of which of these commandments does your tithing fall under. Do you even understand and realize the Genesis of the levitical priesthood, a priesthood based upon laws that gives no credit to the priesthood of Jesus for like the author of Hebrews wrote, Moses said nothing about a priest coming from the tribe of Judah, yet Jesus was made our high priest by God, revealed through the psalms.

You said, If you count yourself for instance to be partaker of Abrahmic law why shouldnt you live with the instructions that come with it, atleastst to the best of your abilities.

What is the Abrahamic law? What law did God give Abraham? Is it circumcision? Did you not read the book of Acts, where even that has no place under the new covenant which covers both the circumcized and the uncircumcised?


If you choice to be under the law because of it's benefits then do you diligently to fulfill all part of it, but do not assume yourself to be under the grace of Jesus Christ.

Do you understand what Paul wrote

Gal.3.1 - Oh, foolish Galatians! What magician has cast an evil spell on you? For you used to see the meaning of Jesus Christ's death as clearly as though I had shown you a signboard with a picture of Christ dying on the cross.
Gal.3.2 - Let me ask you this one question: Did you receive the Holy Spirit by keeping the law? Of course not, for the Holy Spirit came upon you only after you believed the message you heard about Christ.
Gal.3.3 - Have you lost your senses? After starting your Christian lives in the Spirit, why are you now trying to become perfect by your own human effort?
Gal.3.4 - You have suffered so much for the Good News. Surely it was not in vain, was it? Are you now going to just throw it all away?
Gal.3.5 - I ask you again, does God give you the Holy Spirit and work miracles among you because you obey the law of Moses? Of course not! It is because you believe the message you heard about Christ.

Uten9z:
[/b]While some christains struggle with the convanant of tithing at some point, questioning whether they should choose to tithe or not, i personally have convictions that its an idle thing to do and its works for me.

Biblical verses like:
[b]Leviticus 27:30: “'A tithe of everything from the land, whether grain from the soil or fruit from the trees, belongs to the Lord; it is holy to the Lord.

Numbers 18:26: “Speak to the Levites and say to them: ‘When you receive from the Israelites the tithe I give you as your inheritance, you must present a tenth of that tithe as the Lord’s offering.

So while tithing was believed to be Mosiac law, Abraham tithed, There were one other form of giving to God by saceifice too and i believe if tithing is not an important practice Jesus Christ woundnt have reference to it in Matthew 23:23, Jesus talks to the Pharisees, condemning them for tithing to the penny but neglecting the more important issues of justice, mercy, and faith.

Malachi 3:10 "Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this,” says the Lord Almighty, “and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that there will not be room enough to store it.
This Is the verse of my concentration while tithing and it works for me anytime i apply the mystery.
Therefor this morning for those of you that also tith, my question is as such:
Can one pay my tith if he can before been asked do so during the course of sunday servce or weekly activites and join to be prayed or recieve pastorial blesdings during the calls of it or it most be declared as the practices were during the sevices time before one can pay and to comeout for prayers?

My concern is most time i feel or if i dont give it immidiately i get shot becomings in view of these verse
Deuteronomy 14:22: “Be sure to set aside a tenth of all that your fields produce each year.”
2 Chronicles 31:5: “As soon as the order went out, the Israelites generously gave the first fruits of their grain, new wine, olive oil and honey and all that the fields produced. They brought a great amount, a tithe of everything

"My concern is most time i feel or if i dont give it immidiately i get shot becomings" this is because you are under the law and not under God's grace

Plenty scriptures to read 😁 let me summarize them
Luke 2:1-7 Jesus is born of a virgin
Isaiah 7:14
[14]Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel.

Matthew 3:11-17 Jesus is humble to accept baptism from John and fulfill God's purpose
Whereas the devil exalts himself but is brought down, Isaiah 14 Dan 10:13 by the Prince, Jesus. Meanwhile the devil goes about looking for whom to devour by first discouraging those who believe through persecutions 1 Peter 5:8-9. There is enmity like God said in Genesis 3:15 but the kingdom of Jesus is eternal, Isaiah 9:7

Even though Jesus died, his death was the fulfillment of the passover for us to translate from the bondage of darkness to the kingdom of God for in Numbers 9:12 They shall leave none of it until morning, nor break one of its bones. According to all the ordinances of the Passover they shall keep it.
And none of Jesus bones were broken as recorded in John 19:32-36, which is unusual because Roman soldiers break the bones of those crucified to hasten their death.

So we preach the risen king Jesus, whom we believe without seeing unlike Thomas in John 20
1 Corinthians 15:11 Therefore, whether it was I or they, so we preach and so you believed. The Risen Christ, Our Hope

Lol you can read the rest 😁

GOD IS GOOD
ALL THE TIME

AND

ALL THE TIME
GOD IS GOD

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Atheism doesn't make sense

People like to justify themselves even as the expense of their hearts and souls

gohf:
Going through nairaland religion section I saw posts of some proclaimed atheists accusing God of being a mass murderer, 😂 its confusing thoughts atheists claim God doesn't exist, so how come someone who doesn't exist is guilty in their eyes and has done so much hideous things?


Either you believe there's a God or you don't, which one is you don't believe and you are still describing him and what he has done 😂😂😂

two years on they haven't changed they probably have been that way since before the foundin of this forum

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Flash back from two years ago

Happy Sunday

SIRTee15:
Have you heard of Garima gospel?

nope

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Happy Sunday

Biznesworld:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_r4OoWAF0fQ

A pastor and his church members gathered to destroy their Bibles.

The pastor and his members felt misled by the Bible and decided to destroy it as a form of protest ignorantly.

The pastor claimed the Bible had deceived them for over 400 years now. He questioned the Bible's authenticity, saying some parts are missing and incorrect, siting some examples.

He made several misleading claims: that some Bible portions are missing, that the Bible's portrayal of God is untrue, and that the Bible contains bad things despite being called "holy."

Additionally, the pastor criticized the Bible's origins, specifically King James' involvement.
He viewed King James as a slave trader and disagreed with his role in translating the Bible.

However, the pastor's arguments and that of his church members, were based on misinformation and a lack of understanding.

This incident serves as a warning: we must be cautious about the churches we attend, the messages we hear and the pastors we follow. Misguided leaders can alter our perceptions of life and God, leading us astray.

Watch the video to hear more reasons he has to say.

and what if the KJV is actually not authorized by king James and contains corrupted interpretations and verses of God's word?

I don't support the destruction or burning of it, or whatever may have happened but before you say he is misleading them why not verify if his statements have some truth to them.

MaxInDHouse:
According to God's word (Bible) there is resurrection and this will affect two sets of people:

*RIGHTEOUS: Those who knew God's standard and lived by it so from God's viewpoint they have been declared righteous.


*UNRIGHTEOUS: Those who lived by their God's given conscience even though they never knew God's law but they tried as much as they could to avoid doing what they won't accept to their fellow man! Romans 2:14-15; Matthew 7:12

So God's word says there will be a resurrection of both righteous and the unrighteous! Act 24:15


But there is another separate set of people who will never be remembered during resurrection these people never cared about God or conscience so when God is bringing the righteous and unrighteous back to life in Paradise the WICKED will not be given such opportunity! Psalms 9:17

Apart from these there is no life after death because the memories of dead people has been wiped out immediately after they died and they have no share again in life! Ecclesiastes 9:5-10

You see you can actually write something true without being dogmatic about your religious circle. 👍 😊

Tyferrari:
God can never be so wicked to put is child in hell

God can never put HIS children in Hell

helinues:
If eternity is real, have the Isreal taken themselves out? Abi why have they been busy killing innocent people, fighting senseless wars with their neighbors? Is there no tolerance in their beliefs?

you speak as if Israel have been follow God ever since they met Him, they are as rebellious as the rest, doing their own will, so it's normal if a nation exists that calls it's self Israel and they do things not in line with God's word

Bahamas95:
Something in me always tell me there's life after death, that after we close our eyes here we open them somewhere else.


Don't know if it's true sha, I'll confirm it when I die.

but life a righteous life pleasing to God before you die o

Wow the mod hasn't sent this to front page, this is typical Sunday morning frontpage on Nairaland 😏

If I share some of my experiences you will laugh, I hope others share there's as well.

Is it the theft, the fight, the fake and false prophecies and attempts to take your money, is it... yes there are demonic people who go there to fight those who go to seek God and the expectations would have been how can they go there. Well even Satan appeared with the children of God and accused Job.

jesusjnr2020:
I can remember when someone here raised concerns in a thread which exposed the devices of the devil about a marine spirit that was in control of the river that people paid homage to because it was where Ayo Babalola use to pray, but whose claim was quickly rebuffed by some here as ignorant and baseless, even though i saw nothing wrong in what the guy said and thought he may have a point.

My personal experiance in the said prayer garden also appeared to give more credence to the guy's claims, because it proved that being a place of prayer isn't enough to keep the demonic forces out.

What people should realize is that Ayo Babalola is no longer there to repel those demonic forces with his spiritual capacity and fervent prayers.

And some of those demons are really stubborn so would require people as spiritually hot as Ayo Babalola to continually keep them away otherwise it will be another case of "while men slept the devil came in".

God bless.

It's normal for demons to try and appear as angels of light and attach themselves to things and turn them into a new form of worship.

An example is the serpent made by Moses, which through it a miracle occured
Num.21.9 So Moses made a bronze serpent, and put it on a pole; and so it was, if a serpent had bitten anyone, when he looked at the bronze serpent, he lived.

But years after that, the children of Israel were worshipping it
2Kgs.18.4 - Hezekiah removed the pagan shrines, smashed the sacred pillars, and knocked down the Asherah poles. He broke up the bronze serpent that Moses had made, because the people of Israel had begun to worship it by burning incense to it. The bronze serpent was called Nehushtan.

Yes na

2John.1.7 There are a lot of smooth-talking charlatans loose in the world who refuse to believe that Jesus Christ was truly human, a flesh-and-blood human being. Give them their true title: Deceiver! Antichrist!

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2John.1.7 There are a lot of smooth-talking charlatans loose in the world who refuse to believe that Jesus Christ was truly human, a flesh-and-blood human being. Give them their true title: Deceiver! Antichrist! (MSB)

2John.1.7 There are a lot of smooth-talking charlatans loose in the world who refuse to believe that Jesus Christ was truly human, a flesh-and-blood human being. Give them their true title: Deceiver! Antichrist!

2John.1.7 There are a lot of smooth-talking charlatans loose in the world who refuse to believe that Jesus Christ was truly human, a flesh-and-blood human being. Give them their true title: Deceiver! Antichrist!

2John.1.7 There are a lot of smooth-talking charlatans loose in the world who refuse to believe that Jesus Christ was truly human, a flesh-and-blood human being. Give them their true title: Deceiver! Antichrist! (MSB)