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Nachmonides:
Honestly, I don't really understand why you would say the seventh day represents the holy day (Sabbath), which is true, in your explanation of the seven spirits.
Hence my question. Seven is symbolic as far as I know in biblical studies.

okay you know it is symbolic, what is perfect, what is whole, complete, holy

Lol, you mistakenly asked the same thing twice
"is the Holy Spirit that was sent not one of the seven spirits, or is the holy spirit a part of the seven spirits,"

Shows that you believe the Holy Spirit is one of the seven spirits but don't forget the verse you quoted

Romans 8:11 (NIV):
"And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit who lives in you."


Well we may not have all seven in us ba but not like it matters if it's only the seventh that we have, abi?

Truthseeker10:
Oga since you are forcing in the flesh to John 3:13, How did Abraham get to heaven?

Gen.15.15 Now as for you, you shall go to your fathers in peace; you shall be buried at a good old age.

Shalom, go and learn what Shalom means and why it's a greeting among the Jews.

Now answer me, did your Jesus not come in the flesh?

Nachmonides:
I meant to ask, is the Holy Spirit that was sent not one of the seven spirits, or is the holy spirit a part of the seven spirits, or is the seven spirits something symbolic?

when you read this in that post "You know, the seventh day represents the Holy day." What did you think I meant?

Truthseeker10:
Oga where does that verse say in the flesh?

So what part of them went to heaven? Please back up with bible verse.

Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 1 John 4: 1 - 2

Did your Jesus not come in the flesh?

Nachmonides:
If the Revelation 5:6 clearly says he sent forth the seven spirits into every part of the earth.

Question: Is it that the Holy Spirit that was sent is not the seven spirits or is it?

retype this your question.

Are you asking if the seven spirits in Jesus is Holy or that the seven spirits sent to every part of the earth is not the Holy spirit sent to churches?

That's true, why don't you tell us, seeing as you believe the Holy Spirit is god, are the seven spirits gods as well?

Truthseeker10:
Oga where does that verse say in the flesh?

So what part of them went to heaven? Please back up with bible verse.

did your Jesus come in the Spirit?

Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 1 John 4: 1 - 2

Truthseeker10:
Oya tell me the Hebrew word present there na

check your mentions, if you can't it's not me that will look for it again for you. If you need it find it.

Truthseeker10:
Where did you get your version of NLT from. It does not sit well with the Kjv that you also posted. Enjoy the translations below


So which of the heaven is Jesus and the thief in🤣🤣🤣🤣?

no one has entered heaven in the flesh because no one came from heaven in the flesh, except Jesus. It's a very simple verse you asked me to explain to you or did you not ask me to teach it to you?

Godson1379:
I understood everything you wrote except the last statement .

Seven Spirits of God ? How? Where? Is this seven Spirits different or same with the Holy Spirit? and finally, Can you back this up with scriptures please? Thanks alot 🙏

lol okay

Zech.3.9 For behold, the stone That I have laid before Joshua: Upon the stone are seven eyes. Behold, I will engrave its inscription,' Says the LORD of hosts, "And I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.

Well the stone is Jesus, the branch, God's servant, the lamb.

Rev.5.6 I looked and I saw a Lamb that had been killed but was now standing between the throne and the four living beings and among the twenty-four elders. He had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God that are sent out into every part of the earth.

And God sent us the Holy Spirit.

You know, the seventh day represents the Holy day.

Truthseeker10:
Oga which of the Hebrew word is present in Ecclesiastics 9:5?

boy don't you know it was written in Hebrew language?

Truthseeker10:
If Paradise is in heaven, explain John 3:13.....where did Abraham go when he died?

John.3.13 No one has ascended to heaven but He who came down from heaven, that is, the Son of Man who is in heaven. (NKJV)

John.3.13 For only I, the Son of Man, have come to earth and will return to heaven again. (NLT)

When Jesus was speaking was he in heaven? No
Did he ascend to heaven? Yes
Did he come down from heaven? Yes

Did anyone ever ascend into heaven? No

Why? Because Jesus was the first in body to ascend to heaven.

Was Jesus exalted? Yes

To a higher place? Yes

Higher than where he was before? Yes

Is there heaven above heaven? Yes

Is there a place where the righteous have been awaiting the coming of Jesus? Yes

Was God above them? Yes

Did Jesus see God and get sent by God? Yes

Did he return to where he came from? Yes

Did God glorify and give him a place besides Him? Yes

What about those in paradise? They were redeemed as well?

Where is that in the bible? Read it all, especially revelation

Truthseeker10:
What is the Hebrew word for 'know'?

did you check the four Hebrew words I sent to you?

Truthseeker10:
Then rest

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Truthseeker10:
Are you ready to answer or not?

why should I?

Truthseeker10:
Oga what part of the body sustains the memory?

as your Oga shouldn't you answer me first?

Truthseeker10:
Ecclesiastics 9:5 below

Douay-Rheims Bible
For the living know that they shall die, but the dead know nothing more, neither have they a reward any more: for the memory of them is forgotten.

okay so there is none that translated it to mean consciousness? Yes or No.

Truthseeker10:
What part of his body sustained the memory?

Below is Psalms 146:4

King James Bible
His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.

Ps.146.4 When their spirit departs, they return to the ground; on that very day their plans come to nothing. (NIV)

Ps.146.4 When their spirit departs, they return to the ground; on that very day their plans come to nothing. (NIV)

Could you download a Hebrew Bible as well, and a Septuagint? please use Google like you did previously when getting more translations or don't you want to?

Truthseeker10:
Are you saying the word 'bosom' means 'side'?

Does Luke account mention paradise?

Where is this paradise located if it's not in heaven?

Luke.16.22 "The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried. (NIV)
Luke.16.22 Finally, the beggar died and was carried by the angels to be with Abraham. The rich man also died and was buried, (NLT)

Don't you have other versions of bible?

Can you download a Greek text or Google?

Who told you paradise is not in heaven?

Did you read paradise in Luke's account?

Truthseeker10:
So where did the rich man get the knowledge to ask for water?

from his conscious memory of his time on earth.

There's nothing to learn or knowledge there. Wasn't he ignorant that it was impossible for him to gain help from the otherside, ignorant of what he could get where he was. Apart from his memory of his life on earth, the knowledge to help him where he was, did he have it? Was there anyone to teach me, as a new born would be taught when they entered this world?

Was there something in hell for him to learn, know and do?

Nachmonides:
I quoted the bible to explain translation.

So you believe Enoch and Elijah entered heaven, translated, in their physical bodies?
Yes or No

You have not changed 🤣

Truthseeker10:
Where is this paradise? Does the account in Luke mention paradise or Abraham's bosom?

Abraham's bossom is Abraham's side, so if he is besides Abraham then where is Abraham? As Jesus himself said in Matt.22.32 'I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'? He is not the God of the dead but of the living."

So where do you think they are, in death or in paradise? Paradise where Jesus said he and that repentant criminal would be that day.

Padipadi:
You need through Bible drilling indeed you are a Christian.
Contribute intelligently to the topic and to other blasphemous topics the op and his rodënts are creating on Nairaland.

Abraham's blossom was not the same sheol/Hades.

Jesus said God is the God of the living, so why are you now saying that they were among the "dead"
Luke.20.38 So he is the God of the living, not the dead. They are all alive to him."

Nachmonides:
Again, scriptures don't talk about a translation of Jesus Christ.

In biblical terms, translation refers to being physically taken from one place (earth) to another (heaven) without experiencing death. This happened to:

1. Enoch (Genesis 5:24; Hebrews 11:5).


2. Elijah (2 Kings 2:11).



Jesus, however, did not bypass death. Instead, He experienced death and resurrection before His ascension (Acts 1:9). Therefore, the word translation is not used to describe Jesus’ ascension because it involves His glorified body after the resurrection.


Exaltation and Translation:

Exaltation: The glorification, authority, and honor given to Jesus after His resurrection and ascension (spiritual and positional).

Translation: The act of being physically or spiritually taken to heaven or another domain or location.


Since Jesus tasted death for all (Hebrews 2:9), translation doesn’t apply to Him in the same way it applies to Enoch or Elijah.

They look similar but you'll do well to spot the devil in the fine print.

nachmonides nachmonides you are here, even my keypad still remembers you 😁

So you believe Enoch and Elijah entered heaven, translated, in their physical bodies?

1Cor.15.45 - The Scriptures tell us, "The first man, Adam, became a living person." But the last Adam--that is, Christ--is a life-giving Spirit.
1Cor.15.46 - What came first was the natural body, then the spiritual body comes later.
1Cor.15.47 - Adam, the first man, was made from the dust of the earth, while Christ, the second man, came from heaven.
1Cor.15.48 - Every human being has an earthly body just like Adam's, but our heavenly bodies will be just like Christ's.

Godson1379:
Thanks soo much Sir, this is something very close to what I've been asking. A very big Kudos. Mind sharing any scriptures to back this your view up ?

did i answer this because I am not sure again o, did I see this mention.

Okay so I said Jesus resurrected with his body
John.20.27 Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here and see my hands. Put your hand into the wound in my side. Don't be faithless any longer. Believe!"

Spirit bodies can also eat o, didn't the angels that visited Abraham get served food prepared by Sarah. That's why instead of posting verses where Jesus ate with them, this verse shows that He resurrected in or with the same body.


And as for him being a life giving Spirit
1Cor.15.45 - The Scriptures tell us, "The first man, Adam, became a living person." But the last Adam--that is, Christ--is a life-giving Spirit.
1Cor.15.46 - What came first was the natural body, then the spiritual body comes later.
1Cor.15.47 - Adam, the first man, was made from the dust of the earth, while Christ, the second man, came from heaven.
1Cor.15.48 - Every human being has an earthly body just like Adam's, but our heavenly bodies will be just like Christ's.


Jesus's body was never of the earth like Adam so he can't turn to dust I discuss this on this thread

https://www.nairaland.com/8323229/resurrection-jesus-proves-he-son


So the same body but without blood but with the seven spirits of God in him.

Truthseeker10:
So Ecclesiastics 9:10 Is wrong for saying that there is no consciousness in sheol?

What part of a human goes to sheol to suffer or enjoy?

please which of these words are tthey or you translating as consciousness
Is it cheshbon, maaseh, chokmah or daath?

Padipadi:
Hades and Sheol meant the same thing. Hades was mentioned in New testament while Sheol was mentioned in old testament. Both has the good part for saints and the torment part for those unworthy.
Abraham's bossom is still same Sheol and Hades but the 5star luxury part.

These are informative excerpts to read https://thecripplegate.com/sheol-hades-and-gehenna-are-there-differences/

Abraham's blossom was not the same sheol/Hades.

Jesus said God is the God of the living, so why are you now saying that they were among the "dead"
Luke.20.38 So he is the God of the living, not the dead. They are all alive to him."

Truthseeker10:
When Abraham died where did he go to, and where Is this Abraham's bosom located?

Hades or sheol is said to be a place of unconsciousness and where people go when they die in Ecclesiastics 9:10. Are you trying to say that Hades and sheol refers to two different locations?

the Hebrew words used in eccl 9:10 dont have unconsciousness as a meaning o

And there are those who sleep and those who die and go to the grave/hell/hades

Truthseeker10:
But that same place that Luke 16:19-31 talks about is called hades in greek the equivalent of sheol in Hebrew. Ecclesiastes 9:10 says that there is no consciousness in sheol. So why the contradiction?
Ecclesiastes 9:10 is below.

Smith's Literal Translation
All which thy hand shall find to do, with thy strength, do thou; for no work and understanding and knowledge and wisdom, in hades where thou goest there.

Amplified Bible
Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with all your might; for there is no activity or planning or knowledge or wisdom in Sheol (the nether world, the place of the dead) where you are going.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Whatsoever thy hand is able to do, do it earnestly: for neither work, nor reason, nor wisdom, nor knowledge shall be in hell, whither thou art hastening.

Luke 16:23
New King James Version
And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

lol did the rich man find work in Hades so that he can buy water or was there wisdom for him to quench his thirst or knowledge of where he can get the water. It's clear ignorance and foolishness dwells there.

Don't know where you got the no consciousness from

Truthseeker10:
If Abraham and Elijah went to heaven, explain Jesus words in John 3:13.

there's paradise where Lazarus meet Abraham when he died, but honestly Jesus was saying he will return to heaven. So it's not like there's no one in heaven.

Expanse2020:
It always amused me after how we try that you should not end up in hell but you fail to see the truth... Jesus himself is a Jew ND a rabbi why did you want to die on a wrong path.. Jesus didn't know anything about Christianity

How or what does Jesus nationality as a Jew and occupation as a teacher have anything to do why anyone wants to die on a wrong path?

GothamCities:
Jesus is the Firstborn, the Foundation of all creations. Not just the earth.

if you know Psalm 18 is about Jesus and it is God who brings him out, why then do you act ignorant and believe a lie that Jesus the Messiah is God?