₦airaland Forum

GothamCities:
He's with me right now.

Jesus is not a physical Being.

one of your demonstrations of truth

GothamCities:
You don't see God with your physical eyes.

When Jesus showed me God, I see The Father Son and the Holy Spirit simultaneously .

really you were show three entities 😀

Even Jesus did not call the Holy Spirit God but continue your story 🍿

GothamCities:
i am not God because the Same Spirit is in me. I have a human spirit that makes up the fabric of my inner man. That makes me a man. Then, I also have the Spirit of God ine. That makes me a man filled with the Spirit of God.


Jesus on the other hand was not born by a Man but by the overshadowing of the Holy Ghost upon His mother. The Spirit of God formed the fabric of His inner Being. Then, to walk the earth, He took up flesh like man.

Well men don't give birth 😂, Mary gave birth to Jesus he didn't fall from the sky, she conceived him by God's power and spirit and gave birth to him.

Anyway you went from writing this, "By saying Jesus is God, we do not refer to the man but to the Spirit within the man Jesus."

To typing the above nonsense, are you not confused, are you not making a mockery of God's word. So Jesus was no more a man filled with the spirit of God right?


Keep twisting and turning like a brood of viper

GothamCities:
All you have to do is counter the Truth as demonstrated. Shouting here and there cannot help you obscure the truth.

Counter me and tell the world that that scripture didn't say what I said it says.

is it because you are blind or you are pretending to be that you avoid all the verses and words I have posted. You can read them from the beginning maybe God out of His mercy will open your eyes

GothamCities:
You call it an organization while I call it a cult. It's not confusing to use both words interchangeably.

I call what an organization? 🤣🤣🤣 ah who did this to you

GothamCities:
Yeah, according to the Scriptures. I don't have a god actually. I have a God

so you agree your god is 3 different persons. And you confuse yourself that you have a god

GothamCities:
You're just talking can ally.

Did you see the diagram the guy showed me? Go take a look at it again, it answers all your questions.

The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are distinct personalities within the same One Person, God.

Don't use yourself to compare God. God can never be like you.

was God ever trying to be like me? Did I tell you God is like me? 😮‍💨 guy are you sure you are not confused like this.

Please this is what you quoted, read it again

"one of your so called truths your
god manifests as the son, yet you wrote previously that god is the spirit of the son, anyway so your god who manifests as his own son, spoke to himself about being forsaken on the cross? his own manifestation prayed not his will but his other fatherly manifestation's will"

GothamCities:
Be corrected. Your organization has been lying and coming up new lights every now and then. Should I prove that to you? There are many threads here dedicated to exposing the lies of your organization.

So dear, what new lights do you have today?

😂 you have gone fr accusing me of being in a cult to speaking of an organization. Guy you are confused, your delusions are getting worse better ask God for mercy make your case no turn like King Saul own

Truthseeker10:
So there is real and fake Jesus🤣🤣🤣🤣

that is not the thing that burst my head, is that he ignored what was revealed to Peter and started typing that nonsense he wrote

GothamCities:
If Jesus was merely a human, are you saying that Jesus lied by indicating He came from within the Father and would return unto the Father?

Are you saying that the Jesus lied when He called Himself The Resurrection and the Life? Are you saying the Bible lied when it called Jesus the Word of God? Are you saying Jesus lied when He called Himself the Beginning and the Ending, the Alpha and the Omega?

Does the Greek word I dissected in my OP mean anything other than Jesus being of the same essence with God? Are you ready to show us that my submission was false?



That was as far as Moses could see in his day. When Jesus arrived the scene, this is what was said about Him:

Here's Hebrews 3:1-6:

"1 Therefore, holy brothers and sisters, who share in the heavenly calling, fix your thoughts on Jesus, whom we acknowledge as our apostle and high priest.

2 He was faithful to the one who appointed him, just as Moses was faithful in all God’s house (this is where Jesus bore a similarity with Moses).

3 Jesus has been found worthy of greater honor than Moses, just as the builder (Jesus} of a house has greater honor than the house (Moses) itself.

4 For every house is built by someone, but God is the builder of everything.

5 “Moses was faithful as a servant in all God’s house,” bearing witness to what would be spoken by God in the future.

6 But Christ is faithful as the Son over God’s house. And we are his house, if indeed we hold firmly to our confidence and the hope in which we glory."

We can look into the original Greek of this verse too to further break it down for you.

in your arrogance you would accuse the apostles who testify of Jesus of lying against Jesus because they say he is a human sent by God who comes from God.

Jesus never called himself the beginning and the end, you are the one lying against him.
Look you can only attempt to copy wisdom but never truly have it except to receive it from God so go back to your chatGP and metaAI since you do not want to repent and receive the Holy Spirit from God who will teach you the truth.

Look at you who wants to teach others, you are calling the house Jesus builds Moses, the house is Moses abi, well done. You are failing already with English you want to use Greek

You are indeed demonstrating your truth

GothamCities:
I have explained that to you.

When people saw Jesus, did they see His Spirit or His body? His body is not God. His Spirit is.

You need a spiritual encounter with Jesus to know the real Jesus.

one of your many demonstrations of your version of truth on this thread.

even Peter and true Jesus deny you
Matt.16.16 - Simon Peter answered, "You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God."
17 - Jesus replied, "You are blessed, Simon son of John, because my Father in heaven has revealed this to you. You did not learn this from any human being.

GothamCities:
God the Father is the God that manifests as Son and Holy Spirit.

one of your so called truths your
god manifests as the son, yet you wrote previously that god is the spirit of the son, anyway so your god who manifests as his own son, spoke to himself about being forsaken on the cross? his own manifestation prayed not his will but his other fatherly manifestation's will

GothamCities:
The diagram says God is three persons but the 3 are not individually the same .

this is one of your truths demonstrated that your god is three different persons 😁😀

GothamCities:
The Bible Truth as already demonstrated on this thread. You can reject the truth but you cannot the reject the consequences.

demonstrator, all you had to do was admit or are you denying it.

your truth is that Jesus is a god

GothamCities:
You mean the the new light they thought you in your cult which will soon be one old light?

you keep talking nonsense but not surprised your father was a liar and an accuser from the beginning

GothamCities:
It's simple my friend.

God is Spirit. You cannot see Him. His manifestation in bodily form which is Jesus Christ is God spiritually and man physically. That's why Jesus said:

"He Who has seen Me has seen The Father." - John 14:18.

By saying Jesus is God, we do not refer to the man but to the Spirit within the man Jesus.

For example, God cannot die but the man Jesus died. However, the God Spirit within Him brought back the man to life. Now, He lives eternally.

so you wrote, "By saying Jesus is God, we do not refer to the man but to the Spirit within the man Jesus."

So Jesus is God because the spirit in him is God?

Also answer, according to Rom.8.11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you...


So I am God because the same spirit is also in me? 😮‍💨 of course not because that is the deception of the devil

GothamCities:
My Word to You the Reader
I don't know whom you are, whether Christian, Muslim, Atheist or Pagan, I see the need to resound this warning to you. Jesus is not an angel. He is not a mere messenger or prophet. He is not just an historical entity. Jesus is God's Gift of Himself to you. He came to pay man's spiritual debts. By the spiritual laws enacted by God, only man can pay man's debts. Nobody else can pay for man. It is just the law, and God Himself CAN NEVER BREAK HIS OWN LAW. God is too pure and too righteous to break even His own law for any reason. Man must pay His debts to be redeemed from eternal damnation which came as a result of the spiritual transaction that happened in Eden. Since man cannot pay, it means the entire human race is doomed. God's plan of creation is therefore ruined. Only God has the power to save man but God cannot break His law. He, in His love for man therefore had to become a man to pay man's debt so that man can be saved.

This is the mystery of salvation:

“And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.” — 1 Timothy 3:16.

John 3:16

[b']For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.'[/b]

An angel or mere prophet cannot grant you everlasting life. An angel or mere prophet has no life to give. Jesus is the Resurrection and the Life. No angel can ever be the Resurrection and the Life of anybody. Jesus is the Bread of Life. The very source of Life itself. No angel can ever be the source of Life for anybody. In Jesus was Life, and the Life was the Light of the world.

All you need to do to be saved is just to say a simple word of Prayer:

"Lord Jesus, I believe you gave your life for me. On Calvary, you paid my debts and brought me into Eternal Life with God. Today, I ask for the forgiveness of my sins and receive your Gift of Salvation. I invite you right now into my life. Be the Lord of my life from now on and for all eternity. Thank you Lord Jesus for saving me. Now I know that I am born again."

It's just as simple as that. A new dawn will light upon your soul, You will feel the fresh breeze of Heaven blowing upon you, and the Holy Ghost giving you the assurance of salvation. You are now a new born babe in God's Kingdom. Find a Bible to read consistently for your spiritual food that you may grow. Join a Bible believing Church where the new flames of God in you can be fanned until you become a terror to the inferior kingdom of darkness.

Your chatGPT and metaAI did not tell you that the Greek text of 1 Timothy 3:16 doesn't contain the term theos? As you do not listen to the Holy Spirit

It was God who granted Jesus the power and authority and the life given to us as well. John 5.

GothamCities:
The Bible Truth as already demonstrated on this thread. You can reject the truth but you cannot the reject the consequences.

oh I am just getting started with revealing the real truth from the bible and not the nonsense you were deceiving yourself and others with.

GothamCities:
Jesus said He came out from within the Father, and not from among the angels. He is the Beginning and the Ending. No angel can take on that title. He is the Guest and the Life. No angel is the First. Absolutely impossible. God is the First.. Jesus is the Bread of Life. The source of Life itself. No angel is the source of Life. Absolutely impossible. Only God is the source of Life. He is the Resurrection and the Life. The Alpha and Omega. The Word of God is was in the begining with God. Without Him was not anything created that was created. God didn't create anything through any angel. He created them through His Word Jesus who became flesh and dwelt among us. His name is called The Word of God according to the book of Revelation. His name is not angel Michael.

False prophets ignore who Jesus said He is, where Jesus said He came out from, what the Scriptures wrote that He did, the names Jesus is called and the God-exclusive titles He bears to call Him Angel Michael.

The Bible clearly reveals that Jesus is God. Anyone who says otherwise is a deceiver and a false prophet.

2John.1.7 There are a lot of smooth-talking charlatans loose in the world who refuse to believe that Jesus Christ was truly human, a flesh-and-blood human being. Give them their true title: Deceiver! Antichrist!

The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your fellow Israelites. You must listen to him. The Lord said to me: “What they say is good. I myself will call to account anyone who does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name. Deuteronomy 18: 15 - 19

GothamCities:
This insult does not change the truth my friend.

What lie exactly have i.told on this thread? Do you care to expose it? What is the ignorance displayed? Would you point it out?

I'll want you to consider the truth for your soul. If you're hypocritical, should be hypocritical to.your own soul?

I showed you the truth here plainly , yet you're fighting against it!

your truth is that jesus is a god

GothamCities:
My dear, you don't know anything, so let us teach you!

What exactly did I use Chatgpt for? I used it to analyse a Greek word to see it's meaning. I didn't use it to interpret the word of God which is the work of the Holy Spirit. The analysis of the word in Greek then further confirmed what I already received in my spirit.

I have answered your question about the universe coming from God . I expect you to counter me but instead you are just reactional without engaging me in any discourse.

By analysing the Greek word using modern tools, I came to a deep.meaninf of what the word meant, and I gave you here verbatim. If you regard that as a waste of time, you're actually an illiterate.

The Scripture was written in Greek, not English. I am not knowledgeable in the language. I can use AI to.find out if the English translation is really accurate and true to the original Greek writings. If this makes you angry, I'm sorry. But that's the only way we can pull out the Truth and avoid organized deceit like your practice in your JW organization.

Yeah, I mentioned your men in the USA because I understand that you are a Jehovah Witness. A false witness of Christ who does not care about the truth of God's word but rather about the truth of the watch tower publication.

What exactly have you said here that proves the OP wrong? Nothing.!

oh this arrogant pathetic person, only if someone would love you enough and rebuke you and correct you, but sadly I perceive there is none. Indeed God chooses those he reveals Himself to.

PCHC:
It's not about picking up stones to cast at others or even about looking beneath your feet — This is about discerning the Stumbling Stone Himself, the Lord Jesus Christ.

Those about to condemn the woman caught in adultery could not pick up stones and cast stones at her because they stumbled at the greatest Stone, who wrote on the ground and spoke to them. That Stone or Rock was the Lord Jesus Christ.

you call him stumbling stone but he is the cornerstone, of which the woman was still standing. They all accused her but the stone stood firm because the truth will always stand. God said he would send a man, and he sent a man and that man is at his right hand now. God said you shall have no other god besides Him, God said He is God alone and there is no other. God said, God said, but yet what are you saying, yet you say you speak for God.

When your words contradict God and make Him a liar, are you sure you were sent with the word of God? Or you are accusing the very word of God of being a lie?

A man and his wife are one body or one flesh, but not one person. One flesh or one body is different from one or the same person.

■ In this Marriage case, there are two persons (or more) in one body (one flesh)

■ In Godhead case, there are three Persons in one God.

what you have just written here means that one God isn't a real person but an analogy like the one flesh of two married people. And that there was never one God whose name is JHVH but three your god the father, god the son and god the holy Spirit.

I typed something here but mercy is speaking, so I erased it. Listen some of us heard that lie as well but we listened to God and accepted his correction and repented from our error. If you choose to remain stubborn it's your choice, but you have to perceive when God is speaking to you through His Spirit, if not, who can help you, no one can.

Sometimes, Logic also denies the Truth, especially the logic of fools.

Oh dear, I have spoken only of God's Word all through. Your ignorance of this does not invalidate it.

Hmm, my responses to this may have been different if I read this earlier but I leave you for God.

I understand unity and bonds, but you obviously don't understand something greater than unity, which is core essence. Trying to use "Unity" to analyze and interpret the GodHead shows your lack of understanding on this matter.

It is not unity that binds God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit together. These three are not One because they are bonded by unity, unlike other united entities you referenced here.

It's the very Core Essence of GodHead, far beyond unity, that is in the omnipresence of God, omnipotence of God and omniscience of God.

who is God, He is the creator of all, He is our Father, He is the person I love and adore, who is Jesus, he is the firstborn our king who paid the price for us all. Maybe one day you will come to know the truth. If mercy is speaking you had better listen, because my rebuke isn't what you should fear.

PCHC:
Nil to that. If I see you or any one whom the Lord Jesus Christ sent, I have not seen the Lord Jesus just by seeing any of His Messenger or Disciple.

▪︎▪︎ I cannot say I have seen Jesus Christ just by seeing Apostle Paul or Peter or John etc.

▪︎▪︎ But I can say I received the Lord Jesus Christ just by receiving anyone of these Brethren or Messengers of the Lord Jesus.

If I send a messenger to you, how you treated my messenger is how you treated me because the messenger represented me in the message. But yet you have not seen me even though you have seen my messenger.

But in the case of the Lord Jesus Christ Himself as Messenger of God the Father, just by seeing Jesus Christ you have seen God — He is the express Image or Manifest of the Most God live and direct. Yet, He's sent by God. Jesus Christ is God sending Himself. No controversy or ambiguity.

(AKJV+) 1 Timothy 3:16:
"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached to the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

Do you genuinely lack understanding or you just purposely avoid it?

Obviously it was a rhetorical question which I answered, because I have Jesus in me doesn't mean I am Jesus.

Now at times you show you understand then it's like you avoid trying to comprehend

You claim that Jesus is God because he said God is in him but Jesus never said he is God, and even though what he said doesn't mean he is God.

You never saw the disciples, yet those who saw them said they were like Christ. Do you now see that you are avoiding the very narrative that can help you understand because you don't want to see the truth but to keep believing what you claim is true.

You write this
"you have not seen me even though you have seen my messenger." Then you write, "Yet, He's sent by God. Jesus Christ is God sending Himself. No controversy or ambiguity." It must have felt powerful writing this, it sounds so mystical so so, wow wow, but in actual truth it is nonsense. No matter how good you feel about this, it doesn't make it the truth. One begins to question you mentioned feel good messages that contradict the word of God yet you are doing the exact same thing.

God never said he was sending Himself in all of scripture from Genesis to Malachi, but here you are claiming He did, contradicting what you could have understood and comprehended if you.

The original text of 1 Timothy 3:16 doesn't have the word theos.
1Tim.3.16 Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great: He appeared in a body, was vindicated by the Spirit, was seen by angels, was preached among the nations, was believed on in the world, was taken up in glory. (NIV)

NLT turns the He to Christ, while KJVs turn He to God. The same KJV that added Father word Spirit to 1 John 5.7.

According to you, you would understand
John.3.34 For he is sent by God. He speaks God's words, for God's Spirit is upon him without measure or limit.

As God sent God and poured God upon God without measure, and the confusion will make you feel like you are under anointing 🤦

Jesus is the image of God but he is not God. Look they don't need to go round about and be cunning if Jesus is God they will be many many many times he is called God and not image of God, word of God, Messenger of God and the like

PCHC:
Glad you are sent to God’s people as a teacher among them. But others are also sent to teach you while you teach others. Therefore, increase in learning.

Again, seeing any messenger of God or Christ does not equate to seeing God or Christ. But seeing Christ Jesus Equates to seeing God.

(Logos) John 20:28-29:
"And Thomas answered and said to Him, "My Lord and my God!" Jesus said to him, "Because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.""

The Words Jesus Christ spoke are not in His Authority, but He is the Word of God. My words do not come out and say anything without me letting them out, but my words are essentially myself in communication.

You who have increased in learning have you increased to the extent you have learnt the so called deep secrets of Satan?
That your ears cannot hear the truth anymore?

You read all that I wrote but instead quoted another text you lack understanding of, are you not being too arrogant to give another an advice 🤨😮‍💨

Did you study John 20, wait, do you study the bible with the Holy Spirit or you just quote verses out of it to post your messages.

You read this John.20.28 "My Lord and my God!" Thomas exclaimed.

So tell me did you not read this as well
John.20.31 But these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing in him you will have life.

No you choose to believe that Thomas was calling Jesus God. Basic wisdom would state that the supposed conclusion should have been that you may believe that Jesus is God. No but Satan made up that conclusion like he made up the "jump off the roof" idea.

Look you have so much learning yet this is nonsense you wrote, "The Words Jesus Christ spoke are not in His Authority, but He is the Word of God. My words do not come out and say anything without me letting them out, but my words are essentially myself in communication." As your understanding and answer to my question, Do you not believe that "The words which Jesus spoke was not on his own authority?

Let me look at your other responses, hopefully I can see who you are through your words 😁

GothamCities:
Did you read what you typed? I don't understand how you would be providing proofs against yourself and still be feeling great.

The universe is a creation of God according to all the scriptures you quoted up there. Jesus on the other hand emanated from within the fabric and nature of God. Yes, I need to teach you if you don't know how to study the Bible for yourself. If some men in the USA are your ultimate biblical authority instead of the word of God itself.

You didn't ask me if Jesus is the Word of God but I must tell you what Jesus is and what the universe is not. You cannot compare Jesus and the universe. That's infact blasphemous.

Take your time to counter all the points I have made so far instead of building a different topic from faulty logic. You quoted scriptures that say God commanded the heavens and the earth into being, can you show me any scripture where God commanded Jesus into being?

I have shown you from deep research corroborated by AI explanations that Jesus categorically told you that He came from within God Himself and not from among the angels as you false teachers claim. I have shown you that Jesus is the Life, Begining, Resurrection and the source of all things. Tell us how Michael fits in. Which of these things I said so far are lies?

Save yourself from the destructive teachings of your cult before it's too late.

If I provided proof against myself you should have quoted the proof instead of typing all this nonsense you wrote. Which one is "men in the USA" 😕, this already is proof that it is you, in your own words, "building a different topic from faulty logic"

Now true blaspheme is you calling God a liar by saying no God you alone are not God, your son too is God, why did you lie to us and hide that your son too is God.

A simple question was asked you, you said Jesus is God because he came from God, so is the universe God because it came from God. You are here ranting after typing nonsense like "the universe did not come from God, the universe was not in the beginning"

Now you are talking about men in the US, you who uses chatGPT and METAAI instead of the Holy Spirit

Unlike you who is a false accuser, the evidence on your case is here.

😂 I should take my time to counter you, simple scriptures you lack understanding of, you are now asking me to take my time. Have you not wasted people's time, even when they tell you the truth, your spirit of stubbornness which makes you idolatrous would make you unable to see nor hear. After taking time and teaching it to you did you learn. No you ran to repeat your nonsense yet again. First you deceived yourself by saying undeniable proof, and here you shamelessly refuse the scripture because you lack understanding of it. All you can do is make up some imaginary men in the US yet you are shouting, "I have shown you from deep research corroborated by AI explanations that Jesus categorically told you that He came from within God Himself"


Did I tell you Jesus did not come from God, 😂 look at you where is the fruit of patience, in your impatience to understand you rush to type nonsense about some cult, can you see from your response that you are a confused human being.

GothamCities:
The universe didn't proceed from within the Father. Jesus did. The Universe was not in the beginning with God. Jesus was. The universe did not proceed proceed from God's power, authority and essence. Jesus did. The universe is not the Resurrection and the Life. Jesus is. The universe is not the Bread of Life, neither is it the Word of God, Jesus is.

you speak like you know where the universe came from

Or do you like others also believe the universe did not come from God?

All in your attempt to believe a lie, to rely on more lies.

Gen.1.1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.


Are you ignorant of the very first sentence in your bible?

Are you also ignorant and lacking faith that you do not understand
Heb.11.3 By faith we understand that the entire universe was formed at God's command, that what we now see did not come from anything that can be seen.

How long will you mislead others before you repeat. Must you teach?

I did not ask you if the universe is God's word, I asked if the universe is God because it comes from God as you claimed in error that Jesus is God because he comes from God.

I said you did not need to answer so you don't add to your blamsphemy

your Idolatry to worship three gods is your spirit of stubborness

PCHC:
Where are you?



""If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and you have seen Him." Philip said to Him, "Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us." Jesus said to him, "Have I been with you for so long a time, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He that has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, 'Show us the Father'? Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words which I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who abides in Me does the works. Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father is in Me, but if not, believe Me for the sake of the works themselves."

(Logos) John 14:7-11

I am here sent to God's people to teach them all about this new life, I am a disciple who follows Jesus and came to know the truth.
If you see me you see Jesus for I am in him and he is in me, but does that mean I am Jesus Christ? No, it doesn't.

Do you even understand the very words you have quoted.

Alas Jesus said in Matt.13.11 He answered and said to them, "Because it has been given to you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given.

Is Jesus not the way to the Father? Why then do you assume to suggest that what Jesus said in John 14 means that he calls himself a god.

Let me ask you as well, "Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me?"

Do you not believe that "The words which Jesus spoke was not on his own authority?

Who did Jesus come to reveal, himself as a god or the one true God?

PCHC:
Now solve this mathematical or chemical equation:

1 lite of Ice + 1 litre of water + 1 litre of steam contains how many kinds of chemical components?

if you pick up stones to throw at others, do you also reject the living stone for your philosophy, beware and look beneath your feet for where you are standing may not be of God least you fall

PCHC:
No ambiguity in what I responded:

Herr in simple mathematical equation:

1 + 1 = 2

But,

LJ + GF = 1

Meaning

Lord Jesus + God the Father = One God (Not Two Gods, but One God)

As the Lord Jesus Christ Himself said it in thus Bible reference:


"I and the Father are one." Therefore the Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, "Many good works I have shown you from My Father. For which of those works do you stone Me?" The Jews answered Him, saying, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy, and because You, being a Man, make Yourself God.""
(Logos) John 10:30-33

you wrote about philosophy but what do you think you are doing above?

I and my wife we are one, does that mean my wife is me?

Even logic would deny you, speak more of God's word.

Do you not understand what unity means?

Do you not understand what Jesus said here in John.17.22 I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one:

Or are you insinuating that because we are one with Christ, we are Christs and in extension we are God as well? That's preposterous.

Even the Jews who did not believe nor accept Jesus misunderstood him and sought to accuse him, must you do the same as well?

Do you listen to their reactions and words and not pay any attention to the response and correction from Jesus?

Why don't you go and study what Jesus responded to them, would you listen if you won't listen to the one God sent?

John.10.36 do you say of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, "You are blaspheming,' because I said, "I am the Son of God'?

You speak as if Jesus was hiding who he is, as if the Jews loved him and did not pretended not to hear what he said, looking for an accusation against him so as to kill him
John.10.24 - Then the Jews surrounded Him and said to Him, "How long do You keep us in doubt? If You are the Christ, tell us plainly."
John.10.25 - Jesus answered them, "I told you, and you do not believe. The works that I do in My Father's name, they bear witness of Me.


Of everything Jesus said, even that the Father is greater than all, why did they seek to stone him because Jesus said he is one with his Father

I do agree women should not be bishops/high priests for it was a role given to men

When Peters writes in 1peter 2 we are a royal priesthood he didn't seperate male nor female, for Peter wrote in 1 Peter3:7 in marriage she is weaker but you both together are heirs of the grace of life.

We are all under Jesus in the body of Christ, but at home, the women do not have authority over their husbands as to teach and instruct them. That is God's word spoken from the fall of Adam and Eve and not even the laws of Moses.

Jesus is our high priest and bishop of our souls, Hebrews 6:20, 1 Peter 2:25.

So with understanding we should understand that anyone who is represent Jesus as a bishop represents his role as a husband to us and serves as a husband figure in the church. And a woman cannot be a husband so that disqualifies her from such a role. God did not send a woman but a man Jesus Christ.

There are many other offices and roles God can call a woman into, it doesn't have to be as an overseer. But that doesn't mean a woman cannot be a leader in the body of Christ. What Jesus did not say don't add to it, what God reveals through the Holy Spirit should be followed.

Now as pertains Paul's writing again in 1Tim.2.11-12 - Let a woman learn in silence with all submission, and I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, but to be in silence.

You can see that the context in that 1 Timothy 2 relates to marriage, the man being the head and the woman bearing children as God spoke after the fall.

Also note that she is to listen to her husband in submission and not to have authority over him and instruct him. This isn't about the church but about the home, but that doesn't mean she stops doing so to her husband when they are in church.

In the very next chapter after discussing that men should be prayerful and women should be modest and charitable, Paul writes about who should be a bishops and deacons.

I am not one to care about titles but about roles and functionality, so you as a woman don't have to serve as an overseer, bishop or a deaconess, you can shepherd there are female shepherds and pastoral work is about showing care, you can evangelize and be an Evangelist, you can be a prophetess, even an apostle, there were female apostles mentioned in the new testament.


Now hope you know Jesus had many disciples though there were the main 12 and even the three, but they were all disciples of Jesus and even among those disciples one was chosen to replace Judas. Apostleship was never limited nor commanded to be limited to those original 12, nor can we say Jesus does not send women, when he clearly sent Mary to his disciples.


But no honor and responsibility should be taken upon oneself that isn't given by God.


I wish that those who are carnal, who are flesh and bone and speak from their flesh, who are more women/feminine that the daughters of God would be silent about things they do not understand and stop speaking carnally and misleading others.

It's absolute nonsense to believe such, even if Paul said so, are we followers of Paul or followers of Jesus Christ who died for us and in whose name we are baptized.

Ask yourselves the question how can Paul who knew the scriptures who was probably aware of prophetess Deborah Judges 4:4 who was a judge and leader even over men, and of prophetess Huldah who was at the temple, 2 Kings 22:14 and she spoke God's word to men and king who listened to her. Or was Esther not a woman when she instructed all the Jews to fast with her?

Maybe Paul didn't know of Prophetess Anna who lived at the temple, Luke 2:36-37, but surely he knew of the daughters of Philip who prophesied.

Not that I am saying that prophesying makes one a prophet, for even king Saul prophesied was not a prophet. We understand that prophecy is the testimony of Jesus and as Paul explained it.

1Cor.14.4 He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church.

So was Paul limiting those who prophesied to men? NO, and we know that prophecy is speaking to others under the influence of the Holy Spirit words that are understandable especially to the believers

So when Paul writes in 1Cor.14.34 that Women should be silent during the church meetings. It is not proper for them to speak. They should be submissive, just as the law says.

Was he teaching them the laws of Moses? Obviously not, for the only law which Paul references here is that which pertains to marriage. And when he says they should be silent he goes further to explain what they should be silent about

1Cor.14.35 If they have any questions to ask, let them ask their husbands at home, for it is improper for women to speak in church meetings.

Silent about your questions, your enquiries, ask your husbands at home. Surely you know this refers to ladies who are married right?

And still yet he writes, 1Cor.14.39 So, dear brothers and sisters, be eager to prophesy, and don't forbid speaking in tongues.

So how can a lady prophesy silently, if she is to edify the church?

Look, when you ignore the rest of what is written you end up in error.

PCHC:
Nil to that

No one is saying or implying God or the Lord Jesus lied in anyway.

you imply that God lied in this way that you claim there isn't only one true God.

You imply that Jesus is a false god or that your Jesus is not the real one, because the real Jesus is quoted by John to say, in John.17.3, And this is the way to have eternal life--to know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, the one you sent to earth.

I will ask you one more time, ask the Holy Spirit if he is with you and answer me this, is there another way or another God?