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Padipadi:
You need through Bible drilling indeed you are a Christian.
Contribute intelligently to the topic and to other blasphemous topics the op and his rodënts are creating on Nairaland.

Abraham's blossom was not the same sheol/Hades.

Jesus said God is the God of the living, so why are you now saying that they were among the "dead"
Luke.20.38 So he is the God of the living, not the dead. They are all alive to him."

Nachmonides:
Again, scriptures don't talk about a translation of Jesus Christ.

In biblical terms, translation refers to being physically taken from one place (earth) to another (heaven) without experiencing death. This happened to:

1. Enoch (Genesis 5:24; Hebrews 11:5).


2. Elijah (2 Kings 2:11).



Jesus, however, did not bypass death. Instead, He experienced death and resurrection before His ascension (Acts 1:9). Therefore, the word translation is not used to describe Jesus’ ascension because it involves His glorified body after the resurrection.


Exaltation and Translation:

Exaltation: The glorification, authority, and honor given to Jesus after His resurrection and ascension (spiritual and positional).

Translation: The act of being physically or spiritually taken to heaven or another domain or location.


Since Jesus tasted death for all (Hebrews 2:9), translation doesn’t apply to Him in the same way it applies to Enoch or Elijah.

They look similar but you'll do well to spot the devil in the fine print.

nachmonides nachmonides you are here, even my keypad still remembers you 😁

So you believe Enoch and Elijah entered heaven, translated, in their physical bodies?

1Cor.15.45 - The Scriptures tell us, "The first man, Adam, became a living person." But the last Adam--that is, Christ--is a life-giving Spirit.
1Cor.15.46 - What came first was the natural body, then the spiritual body comes later.
1Cor.15.47 - Adam, the first man, was made from the dust of the earth, while Christ, the second man, came from heaven.
1Cor.15.48 - Every human being has an earthly body just like Adam's, but our heavenly bodies will be just like Christ's.

Godson1379:
Thanks soo much Sir, this is something very close to what I've been asking. A very big Kudos. Mind sharing any scriptures to back this your view up ?

did i answer this because I am not sure again o, did I see this mention.

Okay so I said Jesus resurrected with his body
John.20.27 Then he said to Thomas, "Put your finger here and see my hands. Put your hand into the wound in my side. Don't be faithless any longer. Believe!"

Spirit bodies can also eat o, didn't the angels that visited Abraham get served food prepared by Sarah. That's why instead of posting verses where Jesus ate with them, this verse shows that He resurrected in or with the same body.


And as for him being a life giving Spirit
1Cor.15.45 - The Scriptures tell us, "The first man, Adam, became a living person." But the last Adam--that is, Christ--is a life-giving Spirit.
1Cor.15.46 - What came first was the natural body, then the spiritual body comes later.
1Cor.15.47 - Adam, the first man, was made from the dust of the earth, while Christ, the second man, came from heaven.
1Cor.15.48 - Every human being has an earthly body just like Adam's, but our heavenly bodies will be just like Christ's.


Jesus's body was never of the earth like Adam so he can't turn to dust I discuss this on this thread

https://www.nairaland.com/8323229/resurrection-jesus-proves-he-son


So the same body but without blood but with the seven spirits of God in him.

Truthseeker10:
So Ecclesiastics 9:10 Is wrong for saying that there is no consciousness in sheol?

What part of a human goes to sheol to suffer or enjoy?

please which of these words are tthey or you translating as consciousness
Is it cheshbon, maaseh, chokmah or daath?

Padipadi:
Hades and Sheol meant the same thing. Hades was mentioned in New testament while Sheol was mentioned in old testament. Both has the good part for saints and the torment part for those unworthy.
Abraham's bossom is still same Sheol and Hades but the 5star luxury part.

These are informative excerpts to read https://thecripplegate.com/sheol-hades-and-gehenna-are-there-differences/

Abraham's blossom was not the same sheol/Hades.

Jesus said God is the God of the living, so why are you now saying that they were among the "dead"
Luke.20.38 So he is the God of the living, not the dead. They are all alive to him."

Truthseeker10:
When Abraham died where did he go to, and where Is this Abraham's bosom located?

Hades or sheol is said to be a place of unconsciousness and where people go when they die in Ecclesiastics 9:10. Are you trying to say that Hades and sheol refers to two different locations?

the Hebrew words used in eccl 9:10 dont have unconsciousness as a meaning o

And there are those who sleep and those who die and go to the grave/hell/hades

Truthseeker10:
But that same place that Luke 16:19-31 talks about is called hades in greek the equivalent of sheol in Hebrew. Ecclesiastes 9:10 says that there is no consciousness in sheol. So why the contradiction?
Ecclesiastes 9:10 is below.

Smith's Literal Translation
All which thy hand shall find to do, with thy strength, do thou; for no work and understanding and knowledge and wisdom, in hades where thou goest there.

Amplified Bible
Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with all your might; for there is no activity or planning or knowledge or wisdom in Sheol (the nether world, the place of the dead) where you are going.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Whatsoever thy hand is able to do, do it earnestly: for neither work, nor reason, nor wisdom, nor knowledge shall be in hell, whither thou art hastening.

Luke 16:23
New King James Version
And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

lol did the rich man find work in Hades so that he can buy water or was there wisdom for him to quench his thirst or knowledge of where he can get the water. It's clear ignorance and foolishness dwells there.

Don't know where you got the no consciousness from

Truthseeker10:
If Abraham and Elijah went to heaven, explain Jesus words in John 3:13.

there's paradise where Lazarus meet Abraham when he died, but honestly Jesus was saying he will return to heaven. So it's not like there's no one in heaven.

Expanse2020:
It always amused me after how we try that you should not end up in hell but you fail to see the truth... Jesus himself is a Jew ND a rabbi why did you want to die on a wrong path.. Jesus didn't know anything about Christianity

How or what does Jesus nationality as a Jew and occupation as a teacher have anything to do why anyone wants to die on a wrong path?

GothamCities:
Jesus is the Firstborn, the Foundation of all creations. Not just the earth.

if you know Psalm 18 is about Jesus and it is God who brings him out, why then do you act ignorant and believe a lie that Jesus the Messiah is God?

Daejumong:
If you believe in God but don’t believe in Jesus , are you destined for Hell? What is the fate of Jews, Muslims, traditional worshippers,Buddhists and other religions?

The Jews believe in the God of Abraham,Moses and David but don’t believe in Jesus! Are they all destined for hell? Elijah and Abraham made heaven as Jews and not as Christians!

Even among Christians, there are so many divisions/factions and denominations with different beliefs about God and Jesus. Some of these denominations believe they are the only righteous ones going to heaven while others are going to hell!

At the end of the day, God is the final judge. Man and religion have differing opinions but God remains the final arbiter. ‘Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man’ (Eccl 12:13)

In conclusion, when Jesus was asked about the greatest commandment in Matt 22:36-40; Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.

Let peace reign and let’s stop fighting each other’s religion. Love God and love your neighbour, that is the ultimate divine instruction.

any "religion" that denies that only God the creator of heaven and earth is God is not of God and anyone that disbelieves that God will send and has sent his son to save is not of God.

Those men you mentioned, believed and waited for the coming Messiah, Abraham, Elijah, Moses. They waited for salvation from God, some saw it and spoke about it like David and some heard about it and waited like prophetess Anna.


And while I agree it's not about religion, be you Islam, Christian, Buddhist or whatever has long as you obey God and do His will you will be saved but we should also note it is not God's will for us to serve idols, demons or false gods. Even in all this God judges our hearts and our acts. Everyone who is of God will be brought to the true Jesus, no matter where they are or were they were born or grew up. Not one of God's chosen ones will perish, not one will.

GothamCities:
You're not getting it. We are not talking about the foundation of the earth but the foundation of all things. The earth is just a miniature portion of God's vast creation.

Ps.18.15 - Then at your command, O LORD, at the blast of your breath, the bottom of the sea could be seen, and the foundations of the earth were laid bare.
Ps.18.16 - He reached down from heaven and rescued me; he drew me out of deep waters.

Who do you think Psalm 18 was about?

GothamCities:
Give me the verses that claimed Moses to be worshipped as Jesus was or stop mentioning me.

Jesus is not God is what I wrote

AbuTwins:
1. Where's the God's word that was changed?

2. Can you explain how God wrote the words?

3. What do you mean by "God's word"?

4. What is YHVH? (Don't tell me God is afraid to even reveal His name)

5. Why does God need a son to help him do anything?

6. Why can't God just forgive Adam and save his generation from original sin instead of the the long run of sending someone to be murdered later?

gohf

1. Every word that isn't from God, that is spread among men that misleads into destruction. Don't you know God's word became flesh and is at the right hand of God?

2. God wrote the ten commandments with his fingers, but now He has written them upon the hearts of those who turned to Him, through the Holy Spirit sent to them. Or don't you know what the finger of God is?

3. God's word is what God said, don't you know that God speaks? Or how then did He create the universe?

4. YHVH is the tetragrammaton for Jehovah, don't you know you shall not use the name of the Lord God in vain?

5. Who told you God needs help to do anything?

6. Did Adam ask for forgiveness? Was Adam killed immediately or spared? Who was sent to be murdered?

GothamCities:
God Himself is the Foundation.

Ps.102.25 In ages past God laid the foundation of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands.

GothamCities:
Moses didn't know Jesus. He was an old testament saint.

where did Moses and the prophets tell us that Jesus is their God?

GothamCities:
What do you understand by the word "I am the Begining and the End"?. It means I am the Foundation and Finishing.

so according to you God did not lay the foundations of the world?!!
Job.38.4 "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation? Tell me, if you understand.
Isa.51.13 that you forget the LORD your Maker, who stretched out the heavens and laid the foundations of the earth, that you live in constant terror every day because of the wrath of the oppressor, who is bent on destruction? For where is the wrath of the oppressor?
Ps.104.5 You who laid the foundations of the earth, So that it should not be moved forever,

GothamCities:
According to you, and not according to the Scriptures.

please enlighten us where did Moses and the prophets tell us that Jesus is their God?

Kobojunkie:
I am sorry but these questions of yours, rife with religious assumptions, make no sense to me.

if it made real sense to you wouldn't that be shocking?

Kobojunkie:
The book was written by humans using human tools and with the aid of the human mind in human language meaning that human language rules are to be applied. That is essentially where you get that commonsense deduction from.

2. You claimed that Bethel was the literal House of God. I didn't ask for the meaning of the word.

does your brain work in a way that adds to what I wrote? Or is this just faulty for this moment?

Dtruthspeaker:
Same is said of you for you even blatantly and openly Lie as shown in the thread where your lies where clearly laid to the point you resorted to deleting the thread https://www.nairaland.com/8315427/gohf-threads-forever-proof-liar#133692957

You are the same.

Lol how would I even delete it, when I enjoyed it

https://www.nairaland.com/8315751/dliespeakers-false-accusations-been-removed

Why didn't you prove yourself in that thread before it was deleted, even when I called you again you refused to reply you false accuser like your father the devil.


You mean the thread where others called you out and your only response to me reposting my messages from beginning till the end, and also the person you tried to rope in didn't even answer you, even though I mentioned him and brought all the messages.

I don't think you have ever met someone like me before have you?

But it's nice, keep giving me opportunities to preach the truth which you lie against and misrepresent. Mind heaven and I have a copy of the thread properly saved 😁😀

Kobojunkie:
So, a person who has shed his blood CANNOT obtain more blood? Was His bone marrow damaged —rendered impotent— by way of his death that they could no longer produce more blood cells for his resurrection or something? Also, did you confirm after His resurrection that He had absolutely no blood in Him at the time? 🙄🙄🙄

in all your wisdom shouldn't your mind tell you why he shed his blood and also tell us why he would need more blood as well? 😔😔😔 smh

Kobojunkie:
Exactly where in the book are you informed not to take it literally?

2. Bethel is God's House? Where do you get this notion from, to begin with? Or do you simply concoct these ideas out of thing air simply because your brains are programmed to do so?

where in the book where you informed to take it literally?

Your brain which is or isn't programmed, doesn't know what Bethel means does it? Is it common for simple things to by pass you as well?

Kobojunkie:
According to the Gospels, Jesus Christ rose from the dead, flesh and blood, and eventually ascended to Heaven while His followers watched, the same.

blood that he shed 😮‍💨

Godson1379:
Following the resurrection of Jesus from the dead and ultimately his Ascension into heaven, did he ascend into Heaven in Flesh, Spirit or both forms combined?

He in flesh, who is made the life giving Spirit, is at the right hand of God

Kobojunkie:
Nonsense! 🙄🙄🙄🙄

The Fort of Zion was a forte that was reported to have been conquered by David and then renamed the City of David, the place where the palace in Jerusalem was situated, and David is said to have reigned. The fort sat at the top of a mountain called Zion which existed in the city of Jerusalem alongside other mountains including Mount Moriah where the Temple in Jerusalem was eventually built.

you took it too literally
So because a place is called Bethel means that place is God's house?

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diamond68:
Any ideas ? Some say the room gets very cold

if God sends you an angel to manifest their presence to you, He will also open your eyes to see them or you can just pray that your eyes be open to see God's angels. But you see any sign you are looking for will just give credit to the manifestation of demons who can pretend to be angels

Jesus is risen and ascended and is coming back again

MaxInDHouse:
In your Quran can you mention two prophets before Jesus who are not from the lineage of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob?


Whatever is meant by the spirit of truth can't be defined by an Arabian since we are not talking about the God of Arabia.


Were you there to know the highlighted?


Who wrote the Quran?
Is Quran God's word?


Four contemporaries of Jesus wrote his story and they are all in agreement regarding his teachings. That's the work of WITNESSES.
who wrote the story of Muhammad?



God set the standard regarding marriage in the beginning {Matthew 19:4} so whoever fails to live in accordance with this standard has derailed that's why He sent Jesus to teach us how Paradise will be.
Two women can never agree to share the same man in Paradise because that's not the standard God set in the beginning!

who is this that darkens God's words with words without wisdom?
So God YHVH said thou shall marry only one wife?
So Jesus taught that there will be marriage in paradise between the saints who will be like the angels in heaven?

You think speaking about God, is a discussion about region and religion?