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Christianity Etc › Re: The Devil Doesn't Tell Lies by gohf: 5:43am On Jan 22, 2025
Fictional:
yet it is not the opposite of God's word. Disobedience is.

Can I ask you a question? Have you been in a court proceedings before?


When two lawyers argue out a case? Presenting evidences and witnesses to compare and contradict. And one eventually wins. Do you say the other lawyer told a lie and that's why he lost? Would you call the judge corrupt or bias rather? Would you say the lawyer evn though he has just freed a criminal was telling the TRUTH?

What makes a LIE AND WHAT IS THE TRUTH? And what makes God's word different?

Please join me on reading on this. I hope to show something profound, if i do miss it though then i can take my words back but my aim is to expose something else much powerful than lies that the devi uses against Christians and non Christians.
you just sit down and believe in yourself that the opposite of a speech is an action and convince yourself that you are right.

The foundation of your logic is an error and a lie, that is what a lie is.
Christianity Etc › Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by gohf: 5:39am On Jan 22, 2025
DaddyCoool:
I think this will be my last post on this thread.

No matter what you quote, no matter how you parse biblical words, no matter who changed or manipulated the Bible, we are left with these two questions:
1) WHAT IS CHRIST IF NOT EXTENTION OF GOD??
If you say he was created and wasn't always with God, why would God create somebody to then help him create the universe - doesn't make sense and doesn't agree with Genesis.

2) WHY WOULD GOD RAISE HIM, KNOWING HE'D BE WORSHIPPED AS GOD??
And have it going on for 2000+ years, prospering those doing it??

Anytime you're tempted to say Christ is NOT God, think of those questions.
Consider also this below.
It's because
1. God didn't create Jesus to help him
2. God didn't create Jesus to be worshipped as a god

It is better you correct yourself or you remain silent so the devil stops using your ignorance
Christianity Etc › Re: The Resurrection Of Jesus Proves That He Is The Son Of God by gohf(op): 9:08pm On Jan 21, 2025
Now apart from these prophecies, there actually a word from God that shows that Jesus is from God, and not from Adam, physically. And that is in Gen.3.19b .... Then you will return to the ground from which you came. For you were made from dust, and to the dust you will return."

Now when Jesus died he didn't turn to dust and instead of him returning to dust, he returned to God. John.20.17 "Don't cling to me," Jesus said, "for I haven't yet ascended to the Father. But go find my brothers and tell them that I am ascending to my Father and your Father, my God and your God."

If Jesus came from dust he would have returned to dust, but he came from God and returned to God, a human that could not turn to dust, that could not decay, though his soul have left it returned to his body filled with scars and holes.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Resurrection Of Jesus Proves That He Is The Son Of God by gohf(op): 9:06pm On Jan 21, 2025
gohf:
Okay so Jesus had to be executed publicly just as Jonah was publicly thrown into the seas, this one isn't the one people can accuse or claim that it is a friend, Lazarus, that may have faked death to promote Jesus or a child who may have been in coma, or the boy who may have not been dead but still his mother received him back, because all these resurrections where private incidents, infact they were more public than the accounts from Elijah and Elisha about resurrection of the dead, but compared to a public execution where many could see Jesus die and confirm him dead, those ones were not public enough. So a public execution.

Abraham said something Gen.22.8 And Abraham said, "My son, God will provide for Himself the lamb for a burnt offering." So the two of them went together. (NKJV) Abraham heard God but he knew God would not kill the innocent so he believed he wouldn't lose Isaac, the writer of Hebrews puts it like this in Heb.11.19 Abraham assumed that if Isaac died, God was able to bring him back to life again. And in a sense, Abraham did receive his son back from the dead.

Even this situation of Abraham was a private encounter which prophecied and spoke of a future event, where God did indeed provide himself a lamb and just as Isaac was given back to his Abraham, the lamb of God resurrected and went back to his Father. And t is the ascension of Jesus that proves he is from God and is God's true son
. Jesus didn't just come back to life, he rose to eternal life.

Infact the resurrection of Jesus is so important it is preached and mentioned a number of times in the book of Acts and the Epistles and twice in Acts was the prophecy in Ps.16.10 mentioned, "For You will not leave my soul in hell, Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption."

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Now this prophecy is not about David, his body rotted away, but it's about the Messiah, and Peter mentions this in Acts 2, so also does Paul in Acts 13.

Now many don't believe that Jesus went to hell, well he did, hell is sheol, grave, pit, hades all the same, so Jesus went there not to suffer, but to preach. He suffered death and went to the grave to preach to those there

1Pet.3.18 - Christ also suffered when he died for our sins once for all time. He never sinned, but he died for sinners that he might bring us safely home to God. He suffered physical death, but he was raised to life in the Spirit.
1Pet.3.19 - So he went and preached to the spirits in prison--

Anyway so Jesus rose from the grave, from the pit, from the abyss, though he didn't go there the day he died anyway Jesus rose. (Please note Jesus did not die eternally for you, it was the physical death he took from us and he died once, there is no redemption from the second death, we are saved from it, we escape from it not brought out of it, he didn't go to hell for us, God isn't sending anyone for that, to take anyone's place in hell or lake of fire)

Paul wrote this
1Cor.15.4 He was buried, and he was raised from the dead on the third day, as the Scriptures said. And Luke records that Jesus said this, Luke.24.46 And he said, "Yes, it was written long ago that the Messiah must suffer and die and rise again from the dead on the third day.

And someone may ask where was it prophecied or written that the Messiah would rise on the third day, while there isn't a specific worded prophecy we have to understand just God uses circumstances and events He causes to reveal and speak about the future, like Abraham in Genesis 22:4 where they found the place of sacrifice on the third day and Jonah but there is indeed one scripture, Hosea 6:2 After two days He will revive us; On the third day He will raise us up, That we may live in His sight.

You may say that it is "US" written there, well that's true, because we die with him and we rise with Him. And in Matthew 27 we have an account that many were resurrected along with Jesus in their bodies. And the resurrection was indeed a sign to the gentiles.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Resurrection Of Jesus Proves That He Is The Son Of God by gohf(op):
Okay so Jesus had to be executed publicly just as Jonah was publicly thrown into the seas, this one isn't the one people can accuse or claim that it is a friend, Lazarus, that may have faked death to promote Jesus or a child who may have been in coma, or the boy who may have not been dead but still his mother received him back, because all these resurrections where private incidents, infact they were more public than the accounts from Elijah and Elisha about resurrection of the dead, but compared to a public execution where many could see Jesus die and confirm him dead, those ones were not public enough. So a public execution.

Abraham said something Gen.22.8 And Abraham said, "My son, God will provide for Himself the lamb for a burnt offering." So the two of them went together. (NKJV) Abraham heard God but he knew God would not kill the innocent so he believed he wouldn't lose Isaac, the writer of Hebrews puts it like this in Heb.11.19 Abraham assumed that if Isaac died, God was able to bring him back to life again. And in a sense, Abraham did receive his son back from the dead.

Even this situation of Abraham was a private encounter which prophecied and spoke of a future event, where God did indeed provide himself a lamb and just as Isaac was given back to his Abraham, the lamb of God resurrected and went back to his Father. And it is the ascension of Jesus that proves he is from God and is God's true son. Jesus didn't just come back to life, he rose to eternal life.

Infact the resurrection of Jesus is so important it is preached and mentioned a number of times in the book of Acts and the Epistles and twice in Acts was the prophecy in Ps.16.10 mentioned, "For You will not leave my soul in hell, Nor will You allow Your Holy One to see corruption."

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Resurrection Of Jesus Proves That He Is The Son Of God by gohf(op):
Now though only Matthew attaches the length of Jonah's three days and nights to Jesus, and the other gospels don't, I personally believe this duration is from when Jesus begins to shed his blood and is crucified till his resurrection and appearance on Sunday. So counting from Thursday morning till his death that afternoon we know he rose before early Sunday morning, based on gospel records because I am not an eye witness of those events but one who believes them also seeing Jesus my self. Anyway, so we have three full nights and three days, Thursday night, Friday night, Saturday night, Friday morning, Saturday morning, where he is in the grave, so we can say the day he resurrected as him rising on third day. Or you can still say after three days counting from his beating and crucifixion Thursday morning, it's like taking time to kill someone after sentencing the person to death. You may ask why am I counting it, am I trying to make sure it's three days, well in Mark.10.34, Jesus said, "They will mock him, spit on him, beat him with their whips, and kill him, but after three days he will rise again." So if we count from the mocking, beating and killing, it's three days.

If you ask me about Friday, I will tell you personally I don't believe any nonsense from Catholic, please receive the Holy Spirit and study your bibleS. (Research as well, don't just believe because I or someone else is telling you, if you can't then pray, nothing beats revelation from God)
Christianity Etc › The Resurrection Of Jesus Proves That He Is The Son Of God by gohf(op): 8:50pm On Jan 21, 2025
When I say Jesus is the son of God, I mean he came from God as in contrast with humans who come from the blossoms of their fathers, aka, sperm.

Now the resurrection is the surest and one sign that proves that Jesus is from God and that's why Jesus himself said in Luke.11.29-30 - "These are evil times, and this evil generation keeps asking me to show them a miraculous sign. But the only sign I will give them is the sign of the prophet Jonah. What happened to him was a sign to the people of Nineveh that God had sent him. What happens to me will be a sign that God has sent me, the Son of Man, to these people.

Jesus was obviously referring not just to his death but especially to his resurrection, and you can't resurrect without dying. So when we look at the sign of Jonah we should realize that it is impossible for a man to be swallowed by a fish and survive for three days. Infact the Hebrew word used for swallow also means to eat up, to devor, to meet one's end, and Jonah went through that and somehow survived and was able to walk to the city and spread God's word and warning.

Have you ever wondered why a great city like Nineveh repented just at the words of Jonah. It was because there was a compelling sign that caused them to believe Jonah and it goes to show us how great of a sign it was. First was Jonah to be publicly thrown into a sea, after losing their cargo, and news of such a strange storm would spread, a storm was so horrible it made those in the ship pray to the God Jonah spoke to them about and made them convert to worship Him, and yet there wae Jonah standing right there alive preaching.

Jonah may have not died in the belly of the fish but he must have been dying, he must have been in pains, and just as public as Jonah's execution was, so also Jesus's execution would be in order to save us.

Well the difference is Jonah was at fault in the first place while Jesus was taking our place of fault.

So for three days and nights, then suddenly Jonah appears at Nineveh, whether they saw the fish or not, throwing someone even into a calm sea would kill them but Jonah was miraculous alive. And that miraculous sign of Jonah is what Jesus says would prove that he was sent by God and may also be the reason Jesus spends 40days before finally ascending to God.


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Christianity Etc › Re: The Devil Doesn't Tell Lies by gohf: 8:43pm On Jan 21, 2025
Whatever the devil says is a lie because it is not God's word and it contradicts God's word.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Writer Of Matthew Lied Outrightly Here. by gohf: 8:37pm On Jan 21, 2025
englishmart:
He quoted the prophets. Everybody who understands the Bible knows where those books are.
did he specify the prophets that you say he was quoting.

Don't you notice that sometimes he mentions a prophet's name and sometimes he doesn't, like he doesn't remember the exact prophet again, and there's even one where he mixed together what two prophets said and mentioned Zechariah instead of Jeremiah. But what he wrote was actually written.

So you called him a liar because he is a human who can make mistakes?
Christianity Etc › Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by gohf: 8:31pm On Jan 21, 2025
GothamCities:
He is the Word through which all things were created.

Did you hear that God created the Word? He's the firstborn because He's the foundation of all creation.
so according to you God did not lay the foundations of the world?!!
Job.38.4 "Where were you when I laid the earth's foundation? Tell me, if you understand.
Isa.51.13 that you forget the LORD your Maker, who stretched out the heavens and laid the foundations of the earth, that you live in constant terror every day because of the wrath of the oppressor, who is bent on destruction? For where is the wrath of the oppressor?
Ps.104.5 You who laid the foundations of the earth, So that it should not be moved forever,
Christianity Etc › Re: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by gohf: 8:26pm On Jan 21, 2025
GothamCities:
End of story.
Jesus is not God.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Writer Of Matthew Lied Outrightly Here. by gohf: 8:25pm On Jan 21, 2025
englishmart:
Am I supposed to keep going through this circle of baseless, deflective questions? What have you made of the first answer I gave you to deserve another answer?
it has base, for one you do realize that it refers to where Jesus is from and my question is for you to also realize that Nazareth was in Galilee where Isaiah wrote a prophecy of a great light coming out from that region, one who would deliver Israel
Isa.9.1-2 - Nevertheless, that time of darkness and despair will not go on forever. The land of Zebulun and Naphtali will soon be humbled, but there will be a time in the future when Galilee of the Gentiles, which lies along the road that runs between the Jordan and the sea, will be filled with glory. The people who walk in darkness will see a great light--a light that will shine on all who live in the land where death casts its shadow.

Jesus a light that overcomes death
Christianity Etc › Re: The Writer Of Matthew Lied Outrightly Here. by gohf: 8:21pm On Jan 21, 2025
englishmart:
And I did respond.
this was your response to the person
"If someone references something from a book you wrote, it is expected I find the the referenced when I read your book. It's that simple."

How is that a response to asking you who a Nazarene is
Christianity Etc › Re: The Writer Of Matthew Lied Outrightly Here. by gohf: 4:18pm On Jan 21, 2025
AbuTwins:
I see no reason hiding what you know. If you know it then you should write it.

lipsrsealed
Matthew was trying to link Jesus to Abraham and Davidic line of Prophets. The evidence of this can be found in the genealogy of Jesus in Matthew 1:1-17. It started from Abraham to David...

Anyone who can write can be a scribe. And if he truly was a tax collector then being a scribe may not be far from him. To quote prophecies then you must have read it or heard it from somewhere!

lipsrsealed
what are you talking about, knowing and writing?

Anyway, Matthew wasn't trying to link Jesus to David and Abraham line of prophets, when you say line of prophets it's like the children of David he wrote were prophets as well, but that's not so.


Go and research before you make a comment that anyone could become a scribe, that was 2000yrs ago not 2025.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Writer Of Matthew Lied Outrightly Here. by gohf: 3:52pm On Jan 21, 2025
Some of you will just come and straight up attack someone else, you don't really know the spirit that is at work within you guys o
Christianity Etc › Re: The Writer Of Matthew Lied Outrightly Here. by gohf: 3:51pm On Jan 21, 2025
AbuTwins:
The Prophecy in Matthew 2:23 has no proof from all the accepted books of the old testament!
So it can be that:
1. Matthew made a honest mistake.
2. Matthew deliberately lied to link Jesus with the former Prophetic expectation.
3. Matthew was quoting a scripture not included in the Bible today which he had access to.

In John 1:19-21,
And this was John’s testimony when the Jews of Jerusalem sent priests and Levites to ask him, “Who are you?” He did not refuse to confess, but openly declared, “I am not the Christ.” “Then who are you?” they inquired. “Are you Elijah?” He said, “I am not.”“Are you the Prophet?” He answered, “No.”

So it was claimed the Jews were expecting three different Prophets, 1. Christ 2. Elijah and 3. The Prophet!
lol it's clear John wasn't interested in telling them who he was but revealing the Messiah

Anyway it may have been a mistake but was it?
Secondly what prophecy was Matthew trying to link Jesus to with such claim. And your number 3 is possible as well, but unlikely, he wasn't some scribe though it may have been something taught at the time anyway.

It is clear they kept the title Jesus Christ of Nazareth that they were even called the Nazarenes somewhere in the book of Acts
Christianity Etc › Re: The Writer Of Matthew Lied Outrightly Here. by gohf: 3:37pm On Jan 21, 2025
englishmart:
Let's not deflect. I still don't see why someone would quote a prophecy that doesn't exist. Quoting something is different from narrating a story. You quote in verbatim. Even our illiterate grandparents, whenever they quote from the bible, their quotes are correct. This was something that subconsciously stuck in their hearts. Didn't Matthew attend bible studies then? 😅😅 Or just anybody woke up without some level of eductation, or knowledge of a matter undertakes the role of writing a story as powerful as the life, death and resurrection of jesus. If I'mto go by your logic, it is therefore fair to read the book of Matthew with incredulity, since the writer was an ultracrepidarian, illierate, misfiring fellow.
if you don't see the reason then how are you so sure it's a lie.

Well did Matthew quote anybody in particular in what he wrote?
Christianity Etc › Re: The Writer Of Matthew Lied Outrightly Here. by gohf: 3:36pm On Jan 21, 2025
englishmart:
A Nazarene is an indigene of Nazareth. And that verse was speaking about Nazarene in the context of a citizen
okay, if that is the case, by the way where is Nazareth, in which city or region was it in?
Christianity Etc › Re: The Writer Of Matthew Lied Outrightly Here. by gohf: 3:22pm On Jan 21, 2025
englishmart:
I did my research very well. 😅
okay then share your research and prove that supports your topic, that Matthew lied.

Someone asked you if you knew what being a Nazarene means, so you can as well start from there
Christianity Etc › Re: The Writer Of Matthew Lied Outrightly Here. by gohf: 3:20pm On Jan 21, 2025
englishmart:
I didn't tell you he wrote it. I was only demanding to know how whoever wrote it got wind of those stories. Including his private stories
this is what you wrote, "Elijah did not write a book. Who then narrated all those stories about him?"

Well I may not understand English has much as you do but that there is said by someone who believes Elijah wrote it.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Writer Of Matthew Lied Outrightly Here. by gohf: 3:18pm On Jan 21, 2025
englishmart:
You are just escapistic. Give me the specific verse and stop being a slowpoke
I am guessing you have already tried using google before coming here with confidence that Matthew is a liar 😀😀
Christianity Etc › Re: The Writer Of Matthew Lied Outrightly Here. by gohf: 3:17pm On Jan 21, 2025
englishmart:
Where in zechariah does it say "he shall be called a Nazarene?
Elijah did not write a book. Who then narrated all those stories about him? Like when he ran from Ahab, lived in isolation and was fed by a raven, the widow of Zarephath, etc?
oh wait you thought Elijah was the one who wrote it?

Wait I thought you knew some of the authorship and writings of the scripture. Common now, did Jesus write the gospels even though their are descriptions of things he did?
Christianity Etc › Re: The Writer Of Matthew Lied Outrightly Here. by gohf: 3:15pm On Jan 21, 2025
englishmart:
How do you quote someone and not be verbatim? Now you're saying the the writer was illiterate. Does the Bible look like a book compiled by illiterates
compiled by or written by are two different things.

Well you may pride yourself as being an academic that never misquotes anyone, but Matthew is said to be tax collect let's not mention others who were fishermen, Matthew wasn't Paul, and based on some records about him, he wasn't fully, a born, brought up Jew, so he may have a poorer knowledge of scripture than say a Pharisee or a teacher of the law. Not like the Jews knew all of their scriptures anyway.

Now if you can't excuse that about a person then you shouldn't be accusing them of lying when you don't understand them. So it isn't about illiteracy but about your own ability to understand.

Imagine you trying to study the standards of a book writing 2,000yrs ago by the standards of today 😂👍
Christianity Etc › Re: The Writer Of Matthew Lied Outrightly Here. by gohf: 3:09pm On Jan 21, 2025
achu442:
it's not all books of the prophets that is in the Bible given to you by the white man.

There are hundreds of prophetic books and prophecies not put in the Bible you read.
there's that possibility because Matthew says, that the prophets say the Messiah will be called a Nazarene. For example Elijah didn't write a book, you can imagine all the things revealed to the prophets that were not written by told orally.

Now engishmart may say well something has important as Nazarene should have been recorded but it actually is recorded anyway but it is spelt with the words Nazareth.

But the phrase he shall be called **** or the one called ***** is actually there, in the book of Zechariah
Christianity Etc › Re: The Writer Of Matthew Lied Outrightly Here. by gohf: 3:05pm On Jan 21, 2025
englishmart:
If someone references something from a book you wrote, it is expected I find the the referenced when I read your book. It's that simple.
Matthew made certain references that weren't copied word for word, infact some of his references were based on his understanding of the scriptures. Now Matthew isn't writing a modern day academic book and you can't compare him with Paul in terms of making references.

This isn't the first time a believer was recorded in the new testament incorrectly mentioning something from scripture but what is incorrect is probably due to human error and memory not being perfect, which is understandable.


Now like he said, the term Nazarene may have a meaning in Hebrew that is mentioned in scripture that you missed.
Christianity Etc › Re: Understanding The Difference Between Asking For Forgiveness And Confession by gohf: 2:31pm On Jan 21, 2025
Thankgod89:
You raise an important point. The phrase "Forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us" (Matthew 6:12) is part of the Lord's Prayer, which Jesus taught His disciples. At first glance, it may seem to conflict with the idea that believers should confess their sins rather than repeatedly ask for forgiveness. However, this statement can be understood in light of Christ's finished work on the cross.

When Jesus taught this prayer, it was before His crucifixion and the establishment of the new covenant through His blood. At that time, the full revelation of His once-for-all sacrifice (Hebrews 10:10-14) was not yet made clear. Jesus was teaching His disciples to acknowledge their sins, seek God’s mercy, and extend forgiveness to others, reflecting a heart of humility and grace.



For believers today, who live under the new covenant, Jesus' sacrifice has already secured full forgiveness for all sins—past, present, and future (Ephesians 1:7; Colossians 2:13-14). This forgiveness is positional and permanent for those in Christ. However, confessing sins remains essential for maintaining close fellowship with God. Saying "forgive us our trespasses" is not asking for a new application of Christ’s forgiveness, as though His work were incomplete. Instead, it acknowledges a daily need for God’s grace, recognizes areas of failure, and expresses gratitude for the forgiveness already provided.

The second part of the prayer, "as we forgive those who trespass against us," reminds believers that extending forgiveness to others is a vital response to having received God’s grace. Jesus emphasizes in Matthew 6:14-15 that forgiving others reflects a true understanding of God's forgiveness. Refusing to forgive others reveals a heart that has not fully grasped the depth of grace received through Christ.

Praying "forgive us our trespasses" today is less about doubting our positional forgiveness and more about restoring daily fellowship with God. Believers can pray, "Father, I confess my sin and thank You for the forgiveness already provided through Jesus. Help me to walk in Your grace and forgive others as You have forgiven me."

This prayer teaches believers to live in humility, dependence, and gratitude for God’s mercy while extending the same grace to others. It is not about re-earning forgiveness but about staying aligned with God’s will and reflecting His character in our relationships.
"When Jesus taught this prayer, it was before His crucifixion and the establishment of the new covenant through His blood."
You know I heard this once as well, but this isn't true, the teachings of Jesus were not pre crucifixion and post crucifixion, there isn't a basis for such believe. Do we then say his commands change after he resurrected? No.

Jesus taught us a lot of things, including how to pray, if there be any change it would be mentioned by Jesus and it was, the change of having to use the name of Jesus in prayer.

When we speak about the finished work of Christ, we don't mean that Jesus has done all that God requires of him, but it pertains to the work of reconciliation and opening up the way to God, which like the book of Hebrews teaching was done once a year, regularly but Jesus didn't have to it regularly for he offered a more excellent offering and the way is open forever. And because the offering is once and eternal is continually speaks for us.

Take for instance the verse you quoted
Heb.10.14 For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified. (NKJV)

Does that mean we are already perfect, no, it means we are being perfected through sanctification and that work of sanctification includes us confessing and separating us from sins. Now if we don't humble ourselves and seek God's forgiveness would we receive grace, would the grace which saves us be at work in our lives. Think of Paul who cries out to God and received grace from God. Does it mean he didn't believe in the finished work, no, it was because he believed in it that he cried out for mercy and grace.

The prayer Jesus taught us was based on the new covenant which was yet to be established, for it starts with Our Father, which we only become as we are reconciled and redeemed into God's family by the blood of Jesus.


Another thing which I had also heard, and you wrote as well, "For believers today, who live under the new covenant, Jesus' sacrifice has already secured full forgiveness for all sins—past, present, and future"


Through the blood of Jesus we receive forgiveness of sins by God's kindness, that's Ephesians 1:7 and then Col.2.13 You were dead because of your sins and because your sinful nature was not yet cut away. Then God made you alive with Christ. He forgave all our sins.

Now this means that the death of Jesus was to deal with our nature, and the power of sin over us. And God forgave all our sins according to the law,

That's why Paul wrote in the next verse
Col.2.14 having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross.

Now you may ask, what are sins according to the laws of Moses, well they were what made the regulations needed, the sacrifices of blood and the many offerings but the blood of Jesus put an end to that. That's why the law is fulfilled but yet we are to obey the commandments of God, the 10, which are grouped into love God and love you neighbors.

That's why our sins which John says we should ask for forgiveness for are the same with when Jesus taught if you brother offends you, tell him, take others, tell the church and if he repents forgive. So when we forgive others, God will forgive us as well. This sins are based on relationships. And we maintain them by seeking forgiveness not assuming that we are already forgiven.

So indeed our sins, according to the laws of Moses which will bring accusations against us, have been dwelt with and we are purified by the blood of Jesus that doesn't dry up and it paves way for us to go to the Father to obtain mercy when we fall or make mistakes.

There is an assurance for forgiveness not a certificate of exemption that no matter what a person does they are already forgiven.

Let's look at a practical example, Jesus had died and resurrected but still He visited Peter and asked him three times do you love me.

Jesus sent letters to the churches and some of them he told to repent, while they could still repent. Now if forgiveness was once and for all, or automatically, there would not be a need for acknowledging their faults and repenting.

Or you may well say, we don't have issues with God anymore but what about Jesus whom we have to obey. This by the way.

I have no issues with the prayer, "Father, I confess my sin and thank You for the forgiveness already provided through Jesus. Help me to walk in Your grace and forgive others as You have forgiven me."

Nor that we shouldn't doubt the finished work of Christ but that we should at least understand the finished work and not assume what it is or exaggerate it, and remove what is required of us to do, like carrying our cross and following Jesus. Just a side example.
So saying God should forgive us doesn't mean we doubt that God has forgiven us, but because we believe God has forgiven us for the sins of our fathers, for the sins of Adam, for the sins we are guilty of by the laws of Moses, that we believe He will forgive us when we fall and make mistakes.

Look forgiveness isn't cheap and that's the truth, we have to be responsible and their are consequences for some of our actions, and this doesn't mean God doesn't forgive us, it is just that God is faithful and just even to those we may have offended as well. So confessing our sins isn't just about mentioning them but also about making amends and when we ask God to forgive us it is usually when we hurt and fail others, maybe you didn't speak to that person when you should and they got into trouble or they died. Or you lied or took what wasn't yours and didn't return it on time.

We are not re-earning forgiveness for past records, but for our daily lives, His mercies are new every morning. But they are not free, they are kept and are to be obtained.

If one confesses without seeking forgiveness what then is the purpose of the confess, is there humility when a person says O i did something wrong but i know you have forgiven.. that is presumptions.

I tell you, presumptions.... why did Paul fast after he encountered Jesus, do you think they fasted and sought God's mercy at times, it is to find help and strength to do what is right, it is for God to continue to work with us.

If sin becomes iniquity in us, and we become workers of Iniquity even though we shout and confess Lord lord, we will be denied.

We show that we respect and love God when we apologize for our wrongs, like a servant to his forgiving master.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Deity Of Jesus?! RCCG Sunday School by gohf(op): 1:47pm On Jan 21, 2025
FreeSpirited:
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I never even read your post at all before I posted mine because I was angry...
Almost every self acclaimed born again Christian come to religion section to confuse themselves that Jesus is Yahweh....and I hardly comment or read such post cos I know where the confusion really starts from....
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.John 1
Isaiah..... Unto us a child is born
And Revelation....THE Alpha and Omega verse


Immediately I saw your post, I thought it was by those people yet again, that was why I angrily typed my first comment without even reading.....
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After skimming through the first few paragraphs....I now realized u are trying to established that Jesus is different from Yahweh....
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I don't understand how people miss that glaring truth....it's sad
Tr Almighty God has said on different occasions from the scriptures that his name Yahweh....
Nigeria always want to say Jesus is same as Yahweh?...How?......
it's okay that you are angry at what is a lie, but you have to understand that this is a war, a war from Jesus to save and from the devil to lie distort and destroy.

If knowing the truth is a condition for the truth, Jesus to set us free, doesn't that mean believing a lie keeps many in bondage, for people perish for lack of knowledge of the truth, of God.

Those who believe in the son of God shall have everlasting life, but what if people believe in a lie, don't they get duped.

I am angry but I also am sad, very sad
Christianity Etc › Re: Matthew 24: "The Anointed Ones" Leading You To Hell by gohf(op): 1:42pm On Jan 21, 2025
Tell those who are rich in this world not to be proud and not to trust in their money, which will soon be gone. But their trust should be in the living God, who richly gives us all we need for our enjoyment.
Tell them to use their money to do good. They should be rich in good works and should give generously to those in need, always being ready to share with others whatever God has given them.
By doing this they will be storing up their treasure as a good foundation for the millennium reign so that they may take hold of real life- eternal life.


Timothy, guard what God has entrusted to you. Avoid godless, foolish discussions with those who oppose you with their so-called knowledge. Some people have wandered from the faith by following such foolishness.



May God's grace be with you all.
Christianity Etc › Re: Matthew 24: "The Anointed Ones" Leading You To Hell by gohf(op): 1:40pm On Jan 21, 2025
But godliness with contentment is great gain.

So if we have enough food and clothing, let us be content.
But people who long to be rich fall into temptation and are trapped by many foolish and harmful desires that plunge them into ruin and destruction.
For the love of money is at the root of all kinds of evil. And some people, craving money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many sorrows.
Christianity Etc › Re: Matthew 24: "The Anointed Ones" Leading You To Hell by gohf(op): 1:37pm On Jan 21, 2025
Some false teachers may deny these things, but these are the sound, wholesome teachings of the Lord Jesus Christ, and they are the foundation for a godly life.
Anyone who teaches anything different is both conceited and ignorant. Such a person has an unhealthy desire to quibble over the meaning of words. This stirs up arguments ending in jealousy, fighting, slander, and evil suspicions.
These people always cause trouble. Their minds are corrupt, and they don't tell the truth.

To them religion is just a way to get rich. From such ministers and people withdraw
Christianity Etc › Re: The Deity Of Jesus?! RCCG Sunday School by gohf(op): 1:29pm On Jan 21, 2025
There is only one God, the most high YHVH the Almighty, creator of ALL.
Christianity Etc › Re: Understanding The Difference Between Asking For Forgiveness And Confession by gohf: 1:00pm On Jan 21, 2025
Asking God for forgiveness is because we make mistakes, forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us

Blessed are the merciful for they shall obtain mercy.

If the basis of our receiving mercy and forgiveness is that we too are required to be merciful and forgiving it means there isn't an expectation from God that we will be perfect in our flesh. That's why Jesus said forgive your brethren 70x7.

Ps.32.5 Finally, I confessed all my sins to you and stopped trying to hide them. I said to myself, "I will confess my rebellion to the LORD." And you forgave me! All my guilt is gone.

Confession is need for there to be forgiveness, so we confess for the purpose of asking for forgiveness

1John.1.9 But if we confess our sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive us and to cleanse us from every wrong.

It's oh Father I have done something wrong, please forgive me. Why would one be afraid of not being forgiven if they believe God is faithful and just to forgive us. We approach God with our sins from the confidence we get through Jesus that He will forgive us as we admit them and seek his grace to turn away from them.

Rom.8.1 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus,...

Condemnation is for those who reject God's love and mercy, and not for those who believe, repent and follow Jesus

John.3.18 "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

1John.3.20 even if our hearts condemn us. For God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything.

Our hearts can condemn us when we do something wrong, but that is guilt and not God's condemnation. Our hearts and conscience judges us that you have done something wrong and it's a gift to us to humble us and make us go before God's throne to obtain mercy. It's a gift to us to help us make peace and make amends.

A person who doesn't feel guilty when they have done wrong is probably justifying themselves and that's dangerous and I know at times through wrong teachings people feel guilty for not doing what men want, and the devil manipulates and make many continually feel guilty and keeps them under a bondage of guilt.

That's why John said, even if your heart condemns you, God is greater than your heart and there is no condemnation for those who sincerely repent, make amends and desire to do what is.

Yes it's new forgiveness for His mercies are new every morning. Jesus has paved the way for us to obtain it, our hearts have been cleansed and made new but our minds need to be renewed and our actions will be filled with mistakes not resulting from our hearts but from our flesh dying on the cross fighting the spirit of God within us.

Righteousness is through our faith in the blood of Jesus which is us obeying and doing what God expects of us. So righteousness are the works of God we do, to love, to care, to rejoice and be at peace, to endure, to be kind, to give and be good, to be faithful and honest, to be humble and have self control all these are the works of the spirit of God in us and not works of the flesh not works of sacrifices and religion.

God forgives us and cleanses us, and seeking forgiveness is receiving that reassurance that God forgives us. God will punish us and correct us but He won't reject His children who turn to Him.

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