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Christianity EtcRe: Trinity Found In The Bible.revelation 16:13-14 by gohf: 12:51pm On Jan 18, 2025
cosiocan:
TRINITY FOUND IN THE BIBLE.
Revelation 16:13-14 KJV
And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of THE DRAGON (the first person), and out of the mouth of THE BEAST(the second person), and out of the mouth of THE FALSE PROPHET(the third person). For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles,

GOD IS THE HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL NOT THE HOLY THREE OR HOLY TRINITY.
Mark 12:29 KJV
And Jesus answered the Scribe, The first of all the commandments is , Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
Luke 18:19 KJV
And Jesus said unto a man, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save ONE PERSON, that is , God.
John 14:28 KJV
Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: FOR MY FATHER IS GREATER THAN I.
John 20:17 KJV
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ASCEND UNTO MY FATHER, AND YOUR FATHER; AND TO MY GOD, AND YOUR GOD.
1 Corinthians 8:6 KJV
But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.
Ephesians 4:6 KJV
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
1 Timothy 2:5 KJV
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Rev.16.13 And I saw three evil spirits that looked like frogs leap from the mouth of the dragon, the beast, and the false prophet.

Trinity
the father who actually is devil
his son who claims to be God, the beast
And the false prophet

Rev.13.1 - And now in my vision I saw a beast rising up out of the sea. It had seven heads and ten horns, with ten crowns on its horns. And written on each head were names that blasphemed God.
Rev.13.2 - This beast looked like a leopard, but it had bear's feet and a lion's mouth! And the dragon gave him his own power and throne and great authority.
Rev.13.3 - I saw that one of the heads of the beast seemed wounded beyond recovery--but the fatal wound was healed! All the world marveled at this miracle and followed the beast in awe.
Rev.13.4 - They worshiped the dragon for giving the beast such power, and they worshiped the beast. "Is there anyone as great as the beast?" they exclaimed. "Who is able to fight against him?"
Rev.13.5 - Then the beast was allowed to speak great blasphemies against God. And he was given authority to do what he wanted for forty-two months.
Rev.13.6 - And he spoke terrible words of blasphemy against God, slandering his name and all who live in heaven, who are his temple.
Rev.13.7 - And the beast was allowed to wage war against God's holy people and to overcome them. And he was given authority to rule over every tribe and people and language and nation.
Rev.13.8 - And all the people who belong to this world worshiped the beast. They are the ones whose names were not written in the Book of Life, which belongs to the Lamb who was killed before the world was made.


This beast is the false Christ worshipped as god and accepted by many churches as god the son

And then the false prophet the one who is their god the spirit

Rev.13.11 - Then I saw another beast come up out of the earth. He had two horns like those of a lamb, and he spoke with the voice of a dragon.
Rev.13.12 - He exercised all the authority of the first beast. And he required all the earth and those who belong to this world to worship the first beast, whose death-wound had been healed.
Rev.13.13 - He did astounding miracles, such as making fire flash down to earth from heaven while everyone was watching.
Rev.13.14 - And with all the miracles he was allowed to perform on behalf of the first beast, he deceived all the people who belong to this world. He ordered the people of the world to make a great statue of the first beast, who was fatally wounded and then came back to life.
Rev.13.15 - He was permitted to give life to this statue so that it could speak. Then the statue commanded that anyone refusing to worship it must die.
Rev.13.16 - He required everyone--great and small, rich and poor, slave and free--to be given a mark on the right hand or on the forehead.
Rev.13.17 - And no one could buy or sell anything without that mark, which was either the name of the beast or the number representing his name.
Christianity EtcRe: Is The Word " Trinity " In The Bible.? by gohf: 12:28pm On Jan 18, 2025
Splinz:
It is no new knowledge that the trinity is simply a fabrication from the ANTICHRISTS.

Yes, the fabricators are those who opposes the true nature of God in order to keep their inventions.

The trinity is the concept of a false god!
it is sad that people like this are few but liars like johnnw are very much active destroying lives
Christianity EtcRe: Many Nigerian Pastors are actually Serial Liars by gohf: 12:25pm On Jan 18, 2025
They are all liars from their trinity gospel to their tithing and money making schemes

Every church that believes in the Trinity is of the devil
Christianity EtcRe: The Mark Of The Beast Revealed (trinity) by gohf:
cosiocan:
Beware!, for It was said, Let no one deceive you by any means; for that day of Christ will not come unless the falling away (or the departing from the faith) comes first, and the man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition,
(2 Thes 2:3)
For this reason, Apostle Paul wrote to warn Timothy saying, "Now the Spirit speaks expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirit, and doctrines of devils".
(1 Tim 4:1)
Notice, that Paul did not say that they will fall away unto idolatory, but unto "false doctrines" and "seducing spirits" (unto spirits working miracles and signs and lying wonder; with which they seduce men to believe in their false doctrines). For men shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables (sweet lies).
( 2 Tim 4:3-4)
Most importantly, Christ himself warned his disciples saying, "if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall show signs and wonders, to seduce (by "seducing spirits"wink if it were possible, even the elect.
(Matt 24:23-24) (Mark 13:22)
This "false Christ" or "The man of sin" opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
(2 Thes 2:4)
Take note; while Paul was preaching to the Athenians he said, "God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwells not in temples made with hands. Neither is worshiped with men hands". And Christ also said, "the hour comes and this is the time when the true worshiper shall worship the Father in Spirit and in Truth.
(Acts 17:24) (John 4:23)
Notice, that Paul do not believe that God still dwells in Solomon's temple at Jerusalem. Rather, Paul believes that God dwells in you and your body is the temple of God.
(1 Cor 3:16)
Therefore, it is very obvious that this "false christ" is not coming as a man to seat at Solomon's temple, but as a spirit (the seducing spirits) to seat in the mind of men. And most definitely, this is the three unclean spirits seen by John; come out of the mouth of the dragon (satan), and out of the mouth of the beast (false Christ), and out of the mouth of the false prophet. Which are the spirits of devils, working miracles. Because the coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan (the devil), with all power, signs, and lying wonders.
(Rev. 16:13-14) (2 Thes. 2:9)
According to the prophecy of daniel, this "false christ" magnified himself even to the "Prince of the host" ( which is Christ) and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away and the place of his tabernacle was cast down.
(Daniel 8:11)
Understand that this "daily sacrifice" cannot be the meat and the drink offered by the Jews, because the Jews offer sacrifices only on the appointed days. But the sacrifices of praise and thanksgiving offered to God through Jesus Christ is a "daily sacrifice". Hence, this "false christ" will take away the worship made to God through Jesus Christ for himself. And as Paul said earlier the "place of Christ tabernacle" is our mind and our body is his temple. Therefore, this "false christ" will cast down the truth in the mind of the people to the ground. (Daniel 8:12)
However, John saw that men worshiped the beast (the false Christ) and they also worshiped the dragon which gave power unto the beast. Now who is the dragon? He is called the Devil and without controversy, the spirits of devils proceeds from the Devil. Therefore, he is the "seducing spirit"
(Rev 13:4)
Understand, the scripture says he will "magnified himself even to the "Prince of the host" "showing himself that he is God". Which is very evident in the trinity doctrine; which is made up of God the Father (whom they presume to worship), the son (the false christ) and the false holy ghost (the seducing spirit), making themselves equal with the only true God, the Father. Thereby showing himself that he is God also.
Hence, John saw "the false christ" open his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name. Now what is blasphemy? It means to make oneself equal with God or express disrespect for God. Thus, It is obvious that this "false Christ" and "the seducing spirit" will make themselves equal with the only true God, the Father.
(Rev 13:6)
Moreover, some will ask why would devil include God in his doctrine; recall that James said that "if you believe that there is one God; you do well: but the devils also believe and tremble. Hence, it's obvious that God the Father is indispensable even in the doctrines of the devils. Because even the devils tremble or worship God the Father.
(James 2:19)
Therefore, you can perceive by yourself the mystery behind the false trinity doctrine which is against the true doctrine of the Apostles (which is One God and One Lord Jesus Christ).
"For there is only ONE God, and only ONE mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;"
(1 Timothy 2:5).
This doctrine of blasphemy (the trinity) is the mark of the beast spoken by John.
The scriptures says; men will receive it at their forehead, which means to receive the knowledge of this doctrine in their mind.
And in their right hand, which means to receive and believe this doctrine in their Heart.
"Right hand" is the prophetic word for "Heart"
Almost ten years difference and the word is still new today as it was that day, the Holy Spirit is speaking, do you hear what the spirit is saying?
Christianity EtcRe: "How Can I Recognize A False Teacher / False Prophet?" by gohf: 11:26am On Jan 18, 2025
Answer: Jesus warned us that “false Christs and false prophets” will come and will attempt to deceive even God’s elect (Matthew 24:23-27; see also 2 Peter 3:3 and Jude 17-18). The best way to guard yourself against falsehood and false teachers is to know the truth. To spot a counterfeit, study the real thing. Any believer who “correctly handles the word of truth” (2 Timothy 2:15) and who makes a careful study of the Bible can identify false doctrine. For example, a believer who has read the activities of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in Matthew 3:16-17 will immediately question any doctrine that denies the Trinity. Therefore, step one is to study the Bible and judge all teaching by what the Scripture says.

Jesus said “a tree is recognized by its fruit” (Matthew 12:33). When looking for “fruit,” here are three specific tests to apply to any teacher to determine the accuracy of his or her teaching:

1) What does this teacher say about Jesus? In Matthew 16:15-16, Jesus asks, “Who do you say I am?” Peter answers, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God,” and for this answer Peter is called “blessed.” In 2 John 9, we read, “Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.” In other words, Jesus Christ and His work of redemption is of utmost importance; beware of anyone who denies that Jesus is equal with God, who downplays Jesus’ sacrificial death, or who rejects Jesus’ humanity. First John 2:22 says, “Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist—he denies the Father and the Son.”

2) Does this teacher preach the gospel? The gospel is defined as the good news concerning Jesus’ death, burial, and resurrection, according to the Scriptures (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). As nice as they sound, the statements “God loves you,” “God wants us to feed the hungry,” and “God wants you to be wealthy” are not the complete message of the gospel. As Paul warns in Galatians 1:7, “Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ.” No one, not even a great preacher, has the right to change the message that God gave us. “If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!” (Galatians 1:9).

3) Does this teacher exhibit character qualities that glorify the Lord? Speaking of false teachers, Jude 11 says, “They have taken the way of Cain; they have rushed for profit into Balaam’s error; they have been destroyed in Korah’s rebellion.” In other words, a false teacher can be known by his pride (Cain’s rejection of God’s plan), greed (Balaam’s prophesying for money), and rebellion (Korah’s promotion of himself over Moses). Jesus said to beware of such people and that we would know them by their fruits (Matthew 7:15-20).

For further study, review those books of the Bible that were written specifically to combat false teaching within the church: Galatians, 2 Peter, 1 John, 2 John, and Jude. It is often difficult to spot a false teacher/false prophet. Satan masquerades as an angel of light (2 Corinthians 11:14), and his ministers masquerade as servants of righteousness (2 Corinthians 11:15). Only by being thoroughly familiar with the truth will we be able to recognize a counterfeit.
When false teachers try to teach others about false teachers and false prophets or raise prayer points against them, it will confuse you into thinking o this guy can't be false he is praying against those who are false. 😏

They will justify their own falsehood and attack lesser known unaccepted false teachers, didn't the phrasisees and Sadducees argue and accuse each other

So saying, "will immediately question any doctrine that denies the Trinity." Will mislead you into accepting the doctrine of trinity without you even verifying if it's God's word and doctrine
Christianity EtcRe: The Trinity Doctrine Is a False doctrine and it is Unbiblical. by gohf: 11:13am On Jan 18, 2025
blueAgent:
The trinity doctrine teaches that God the Father, the Son and the Holyspirit are equal and one and the same God.
   Although a very popular and widely accepted doctrine among christains the trinity doctrine is unbiblical and not in accordance with the word of God. The word Trinity does not appear in the Bible neither was such doctrine taught by the Apostles or known to the early Christains.
The trinity doctrine was instituted by men at the Council of Nicaea in AD325 and at Council of Constantinople in AD381.
The trinity doctrine has it's origin in pagan Sun god worship that was started by Nimrod and his wife..



Implications of the Trinity doctrine.

This doctrine has severe implications and consequences as it teaches that Jesus is not the literal Son of God,that Jesus is the same age as the father and has always existed along side him but this will make them twins and not a real  Father and Son it also teaches that the holyspirit is a being  Co-equal and  co-eternal making them triplets.

Thus the trinity doctrine denies that both the father and son are two different persons thus it denies their personality or persons.

Apostle Paul taught Christains that the Antichrist is anyone or teaching that denies Jesus is the son of God and thus denies the father and son  1John2:22-23,1john 4:3
It distorts who God says he is.
The doctrine of trinity also lends credance  or promotes the Catholic teaching that Mary is the mother of God  since it claims Jesus is   God and Co-equal to God. It is not surprising that this trinity doctrine was instituted by the usual suspects the Catholic Church and they claim it is the foundation on which all other of there teachings is based on.

Note:The angel that delivered the message  to Virgin  Mary  told her that the  child will be called( the Son of God) and not God. Nothing stops God from describing Jesus as God or his twin or avatar, rather he  used the adjective SON of God to distinguish him from the Father.

Conclusion.
The trinity doctrine cannot be proved in the Bible neither does it have any divine origin or inspiration.
It is one of those man made doctrines that have crept into Christaintity. it is unacceptable to God and contracdicts God's word about himself.
A lot of lies have been sold to us as Bible doctrines which are not Biblical, I urge the readers to do more research on this topic and to diligently search the word of God  2 Timothy 2:15, just like Paul said that we should prove all things through the scripture, rightfully dividing the word of God and not depending on men or some few Bible verses that have been lifted out of context inorder to suit a preconcieved  belief or idea.1Thessalonians 5:21

Thank you.



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No matter how much the devil tries to bury the truth with a lie called trinity, the truth will not change and the truth remains, Jesus is the son of God.

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Because a lie is publicly accepted doesn't make it the truth, every church founded on that lie called trinity is of the devil

1 John 4 the Living Bible

[1] Dearly loved friends, don’t always believe everything you hear just because someone says it is a message from God: test it first to see if it really is. For there are many false teachers around,
[2] and the way to find out if their message is from the Holy Spirit is to ask: Does it really agree that Jesus Christ, God’s Son, actually became man with a human body? If so, then the message is from God.
[3] If not, the message is not from God but from one who is against Christ, like the Antichrist you have heard about who is going to come, and his attitude of enmity against Christ is already abroad in the world.
[4] Dear young friends, you belong to God and have already won your fight with those who are against Christ because there is someone in your hearts who is stronger than any evil teacher in this wicked world.
[5] These men belong to this world, so, quite naturally, they are concerned about worldly affairs and the world pays attention to them.
[6] But we are children of God; that is why only those who have walked and talked with God will listen to us. Others won’t. That is another way to know whether a message is really from God; for if it is, the world won’t listen to it.
Christianity EtcRe: Trinity Doctrine Exposed - See Why It Is False by gohf: 10:38am On Jan 18, 2025
herlecks:
Worship of The False Jesus of The Trinity


We must make a point clear about the Lord Jesus before we proceed, that He is not the second person of the Trinity nor is the Father the first person, nowhere was He called a second person of trinity in scripture, and that the Trinity doctrine does not originate from God. The religious people of the world believes the Lord Jesus to be equal with the Father. Their unfruitful argument is crushed when we look into 1 Corinthians 15:27-28; For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all. If the Son shall be subject unto the Father, then have we been duped by Trinitarians.

If we would look into what Jesus said about the Father, this would solidify our claim. John 14:28; Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I. That seems quite obvious. So the crowd says what about Matthews 28:19 and 1 John 5:7-8? After much research we realised that these verses were not in scripture until after AD 300, they were added to strengthen the Trinity doctrine, these are mere interpolations. If the best verses to support such false doctrine were added to scripture does not that make it even more suspicious?

Another stronghold of the trinitarians is found in John 1:1, let us get the true interpretation so we would no longer be tossed about by every wind of false doctrine. John 1:1; In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was (a) God. The confusion for most people often springs up from the "and the Word was God," we would be saved if we had interpreted as "and the Word was (a) God," for the latter is as accurate as the former. Jesus is a God Who Has a God, this is strengthened by Psalms 45:7; Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. And also Revelation 3:12; Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. If Jesus was equal with the Father, would the Father be His God?

The trinitarians argue that their god is not three but one, three personalities but one god. If there be three personalities, that simply is three gods. This has led most to serious confusion, some don't believe the Bible anymore because of this fatal error. Is God an author of confusion? Is He willing to befuddle His children and leave them beclouded? No! God never wills to leave us confused, this is why Christ Jesus sent forth the Holy Ghost to lead us into all truth. But trinitarians believe God himself to be a mystery and an author of confusion, and that's not God, but Satan. Another confusion here is about the Holy Ghost. They believe the Holy Ghost to be the third person of the trinity which is another falsehood. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit that fills the Father and the Son, the very life of the Father and the Son, He is often referred to as the Spirit of God. What sort of Spirit is he? A holy Spirit! What sort of Spirit is Jesus and the Father? Holy Spirit! Has the Holy Ghost a separate personality apart from the Father and the Son? For this is the Spirit of the Father, can His characteristics be different from One Who owns Him or from His Source? Herein lies the confusion, the Spirit of God is the complete representative or manifestation of the Father and also the Son. Nowhere did the apostles prayed or sang to the Holy Ghost. Prayers are offered in the Holy Spirit to the Father in Jesus name.

As the spirit in man is subject to man, for the spirit of the prophet is subject to the prophet, so is the Holy Ghost to the Father and the Son. Saying the Holy Ghost is equal to the Father is the same with saying the Father is equal to the Father. That appears unreasonable of course. For the Father is a holy Spirit! God is Spirit. For the Spirit manifests the persons and presence and power and glory of the Father and the Son. This is why the Spirit is often referred to as an IT, and other times an HE. 1 John 2:27; But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as IT hath taught you, ye shall abide in HIM. HE sometimes manifests the persons of the Father and the Son, other times IT appears as their power, glory and presence. So then who here is still deceived to worship false gods of the trinity? To worship the gods of trinity is to deny Jesus is come in the flesh and that God was not manifest in the flesh. This is the denial of the ages, that righteousness, holiness, godliness is not come in the flesh! The Father is the Source of all things! Our Lord Jesus came to restore us to the Father, not to Himself, even though He is worthy of worship, He humbled Himself before the Great God, the Ancient of Days, that His will might be done. In the power of the Holy Ghost are we to worship God, the Father in Jesus name!
This truth has been testified here, but who believes our testimony when majority of the churches are founded on the Nicene creed, the nicolaitans doctrine

Ah, no wonder John wrote

1 John 4 the Living Bible

[1] Dearly loved friends, don’t always believe everything you hear just because someone says it is a message from God: test it first to see if it really is. For there are many false teachers around,
[2] and the way to find out if their message is from the Holy Spirit is to ask: Does it really agree that Jesus Christ, God’s Son, actually became man with a human body? If so, then the message is from God.
[3] If not, the message is not from God but from one who is against Christ, like the Antichrist you have heard about who is going to come, and his attitude of enmity against Christ is already abroad in the world.
[4] Dear young friends, you belong to God and have already won your fight with those who are against Christ because there is someone in your hearts who is stronger than any evil teacher in this wicked world.
[5] These men belong to this world, so, quite naturally, they are concerned about worldly affairs and the world pays attention to them.
[6] But we are children of God; that is why only those who have walked and talked with God will listen to us. Others won’t. That is another way to know whether a message is really from God; for if it is, the world won’t listen to it.
Christianity EtcRe: Matthew 24: "The Anointed Ones" Leading You To Hell by gohf(op): 10:17am On Jan 18, 2025
1 John 4 the Living Bible

[1] Dearly loved friends, don’t always believe everything you hear just because someone says it is a message from God: test it first to see if it really is. For there are many false teachers around,
[2] and the way to find out if their message is from the Holy Spirit is to ask: Does it really agree that Jesus Christ, God’s Son, actually became man with a human body? If so, then the message is from God.
[3] If not, the message is not from God but from one who is against Christ, like the Antichrist you have heard about who is going to come, and his attitude of enmity against Christ is already abroad in the world.
[4] Dear young friends, you belong to God and have already won your fight with those who are against Christ because there is someone in your hearts who is stronger than any evil teacher in this wicked world.
[5] These men belong to this world, so, quite naturally, they are concerned about worldly affairs and the world pays attention to them.
[6] But we are children of God; that is why only those who have walked and talked with God will listen to us. Others won’t. That is another way to know whether a message is really from God; for if it is, the world won’t listen to it. shocked 😀😁 grin cheesy
Christianity EtcRe: Matthew 24: "The Anointed Ones" Leading You To Hell by gohf(op): 10:11am On Jan 18, 2025
Isa.44.25 I (YHVH) am the one who exposes the false prophets as liars by causing events to happen that are contrary to their predictions. I cause wise people to give bad advice, thus proving them to be fools.


Ezekiel.13.

"Son of man, speak against the false prophets of Israel who are inventing their own prophecies. Tell them to listen to the word of the LORD. This is what the Sovereign LORD says: Destruction is certain for the false prophets who are following their own imaginations and have seen nothing at all! Instead, they have lied and said, `My message is from the LORD,' even though the LORD never sent them. And yet they expect him to fulfill their prophecies! Can your visions be anything but false if you claim, `This message is from the LORD,' when I have not even spoken to you?

"Therefore, this is what the Sovereign LORD says: Because what you say is false and your visions are a lie, I will stand against you, says the Sovereign LORD.
"These evil prophets deceive my people by saying, `All is peaceful!' when there is no peace at all!
It's as if the people have built a flimsy wall, and these prophets are trying to hold it together by covering it with whitewash!


"Now, son of man, also speak out against the women who prophesy from their own imaginations.
This is what the Sovereign LORD says: Destruction is certain for you women who are ensnaring the souls of my people, both young and old alike. You tie magic charms on their wrists and furnish them with magic veils. Do you think you can trap others without bringing destruction on yourselves?
You turn my people away from me for a few handfuls of barley or a piece of bread. By lying to my people who love to listen to lies, you kill those who should not die, and you promise life to those who should not live.
"And so the Sovereign LORD says: I am against all your magic charms, which you use to ensnare my people like birds. I will tear them from your arms, setting my people free like birds set free from a cage.
I will tear off the magic veils and save my people from your grasp. They will no longer be your victims. Then you will know that I am the LORD.
You have discouraged the righteous with your lies, when I didn't want them to suffer grief. And you have encouraged the wicked by promising them life, even though they continue in their sins.
But you will no longer talk of seeing visions that you never saw, nor will you practice your magic. For I will rescue my people from your grasp. Then you will know that I am the LORD."



May God rescue His people in Jesus name

What about the others? Hmmm, well, it is well if you answer God's call today then you are chosen by God to be one of His people, but the promise of salvation is for His people.
Christianity EtcRe: Matthew 24: "The Anointed Ones" Leading You To Hell by gohf(op): 9:58am On Jan 18, 2025
"You can enter God's Kingdom only through the narrow gate. The highway to hell is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose the easy way. But the gateway to life is small, and the road is narrow, and only a few ever find it.
Beware of false prophets who come disguised as harmless sheep, but are really wolves that will tear you apart.
Not all people who sound religious are really godly. They may refer to me as 'Lord,' but they still won't enter the Kingdom of Heaven. The decisive issue is whether they obey my Father in heaven. On judgment day many will tell me, 'Lord, Lord, we prophesied in your name and cast out demons in your name and performed many miracles in your name.' But I will reply, 'I never knew you. Go away; the things you did were unauthorized. '
From Matthew 7
Christianity EtcRe: Matthew 24: "The Anointed Ones" Leading You To Hell by gohf(op): 9:41am On Jan 18, 2025
Luke.6.26 What sorrows await you who are praised by the crowds, for their ancestors also praised false prophets.

If you don't understand go and read the scriptures or at least read sent prophets vs prophets of the people by phch

https://www.nairaland.com/8319388/sent-prophets-versus-prophets-israel#133750281

Luke.21.8 - He replied, "Don't let anyone mislead you. For many will come in my name, claiming to be anointed and saying, 'The time has come!' But don't believe them.

"God" said to him
“The time has come to liberate the world from all oppressions of the devil through the preaching of the Word of Faith, and I am sending you to undertake this task.”


Now if you think this is Jesus speaking I won't blame you 😁😊, well this is what the true anointed sent by the one true God said
“The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because YHVH has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the captives and recovery of sight for the blind, to set the oppressed free, to proclaim the time of the Lord’s favor.” Luke 4: 18 - 19

When Jesus himself warns you before hand not to believe them but you say, Jesus said as God sent me so send I you. Jesus did not send us to die for sins.

But this god here is saying the time has come to liberate the world from ALL, wait what did Jesus Christ now do. Because if who the son has set free is free indeed what exactly is to be freed again?
So is it that the time didn't come before and God then same and in 18hrs said the time in now
So here comes a man with many covenants, false humility and doctrine of devil's, being deceived and commissioned by the devil, with many signs and wonders of which many believe and are lead astray because of them.

The Papa preparing his son to inherit his kingdom, who said job was not covered because he did not tithe, teaching wisdom not from God.
Christianity EtcRe: Matthew 24: "The Anointed Ones" Leading You To Hell by gohf(op): 9:12am On Jan 18, 2025
Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.” Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven. And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock[b] I will build my church[/b], and the gates of Hades will not overcome it. Then he ordered his disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Lord God? NO Messiah. Matthew 16: 16 - 20


Jesus builds his church

Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. Ephesians 2: 19 - 21

As you come to him, the living Stone—rejected by humans but chosen by God and precious to him— you also, like living stones, are being built into a spiritual house to be a holy priesthood, offering spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 1 Peter 2: 4 - 5

What harmony can there be between Christ and the Devil? How can a believer be a partner with an unbeliever?
And what union can there be between God's temple and idols? For we are the temple of the living God. As God said: "I will live in them and walk among them. I will be their God, and they will be my people.
Therefore, come out from them and separate yourselves from them, says the Lord. Don't touch their filthy things, and I will welcome you.
And I will be your Father, and you will be my sons and daughters, says the Lord Almighty. " 2 Corinthians 6:15-18
Christianity EtcRe: Matthew 24: "The Anointed Ones" Leading You To Hell by gohf(op): 9:00am On Jan 18, 2025
Mark.13.2

Jesus replied, "These magnificent buildings will be so completely demolished that not one stone will be left on top of another."

5&6
And Jesus began to tell them, Be careful and watchful that no one misleads you because many will come in my name, claiming to be anointed. They will lead many astray.


22&23
They will rise up and perform miraculous signs and wonders so as to deceive, if possible, even God's chosen ones. So be on your guard; I have told you everything ahead of time.
Christianity EtcRe: Calling Upon The Name Of Jesus Will Not Save You?! by gohf(op): 8:46am On Jan 18, 2025
Even the dumb get saved, even the dumb pray

If you sincerely believe that mere confession would save you, then who ever taught you that is helping the devil destroy you. Believe doesn't lead only to confession either of your sins or that Jesus is Lord but true believe leads to obedience to God, and to the one true God revealed by his son Jesus Christ.
Christianity EtcRe: Calling Upon The Name Of Jesus Will Not Save You?! by gohf(op): 8:41am On Jan 18, 2025
No matter how many times you shout or call the name Jesus you will not get saved, salvation is through the name of Jesus by being baptized in his name, believing in Jesus and obeying his words, believing that the son of God who died and rose is our Lord and Christ and obeying the commandments to love God and love others as yourself.



And what is the will and commands of God



1John.3.21 - Dear friends, if our conscience is clear, we can come to God with bold confidence.
22 - And we will receive whatever we request because we obey him and do the things that please him.
23 - And this is his commandment: We must believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as he commanded us.
24 - Those who obey God's commandments live in fellowship with him, and he with them. And we know he lives in us because the Holy Spirit lives in us.

We should know that to believe in the name of Jesus doesn't mean to call upon the name of Jesus. To call upon a name is to pray to that name or person. A name signifies authority, authority has been given to Jesus but does that mean God doesn't have authority anymore, no it doesn't. To believe in a name, is to believe in that person's authority.
Christianity EtcRe: How Can My "Pastor" Be Scripturally Wrong? by gohf(op): 8:29am On Jan 18, 2025
gohf:
I have usually excused some of these things (teachings) as human error but in as we are weak as long as we are willing, just as the spirit of God lead the church in Acts in it's growth, he will lead us into correction as well unless if that which is in us is not of God. But the root of such human error should not be said to be from God, it was not the spirit of God that made some rise up and claim circumcision was necessary for salvation so also it is not the spirit of God that adds things Jesus never commanded us to do especially when they contradict the love that Jesus preached and taught. Note love doesn't condone evil nor harbor it.

Many times we fall victim to false preaching, false teaching and false prophecy because many of us do not have the time to get to know God nor have the Holy Spirit and the understanding of God's word. Imagine someone who works mornings to evening Monday to Friday only opens the bible on Sundays and even if they do read during the week, do they spend time studying it? This has lead to mass deception and acceptance of error.
In truth THEY WERE NEVER SENT BY GOD OR HIS SON IN THE FIRST PLACE
Christianity EtcRe: Trinitarians Believe In The Pre-tribulation Falsechrist by gohf(op): 8:25am On Jan 18, 2025
Instead of believing and turning to the one true sovereign YHVH, the Almighty Most High God, the creator of heavens and earth. They want you to believe that God became three persons, Father, son and Holy Spirit, so what happened to God when he became three persons doesn't that mean they are saying God doesn't exist but what exists are three gods.
Christianity EtcRe: Is The Holy Spirit God? by gohf(op): 8:19am On Jan 18, 2025
No matter their back and forth, do not forget the point, the Holy Spirit is not YHVH God
Christianity EtcRe: Is Jesus, Jehovah?! by gohf(op): 8:15am On Jan 18, 2025
Steep:
Jesus is Almighty God.

Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.


Revelation 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
you ignore the teachings of the truth to hold fast to your false beliefs that a man who was the servant of God and God's son is God himself. The reason you reject the truth is because you are not chosen by God and such knowledge is not for you
it is very easy to deceive the likes of you

“How long will you who are simple love your simple ways? How long will mockers delight in mockery and fools hate knowledge? Repent at my rebuke! Then I will pour out my spirit to you, I will make known to you my teachings. But since you refuse to listen when I call and no one pays attention when I stretch out my hand, since you disregard all my advice and do not accept my rebuke, I in turn will laugh when disaster strikes you; I will mock when calamity overtakes you— when calamity overtakes you like a storm, when disaster sweeps over you like a whirlwind, when distress and trouble overwhelm you. “Then they will call to me but I will not answer; they will look for me but will not find me, since they hated knowledge and did not choose to fear YHVH. Since they would not accept my advice and spurned my rebuke, they will eat the fruit of their ways and be filled with the fruit of their schemes. For the waywardness of the simple will kill them, and the complacency of fools will destroy them; but whoever listens to me will live in safety and be at ease, without fear of harm.” Proverbs 1: 22 - 33
Christianity EtcRe: Is Jesus, Jehovah?! by gohf(op): 8:02am On Jan 18, 2025
Steep:
John 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

Acts 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believe in him shall receive remission of sins.

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
You will not read so how will you learn, you will not listen so how will you obey

https://www.nairaland.com/8320142/calling-upon-name-jesus-not

The one called son of God is not god the son, God made Jesus Lord and not god the son, whoever is god the son is an associate of darkness, claiming to be God, the false christ coming to the world. John 20:31 that you may believe that Jesus is the son of God and not that you should believe that Jesus is God.

But where will your lies end, when will the deceit be finished, it will be after the false Christ has been revealed and accepted then Jesus Christ appears in God's glory and destroys it.

how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him. He commanded us to preach to the people and to testify that he is the one whom God appointed as judge of the living and the dead. All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.” Acts 10: 38 - 43. And yet though Peter says God anointed Jesus, he doesn't add the heresy that and Jesus became God or he healed because he was God in the flesh, what he said is God was with him. God gave the son of man power to forgive sins. and because even the levitical priests could do so, he being greater and our high priest is more than capable to take away our sins.
Christianity EtcRe: Is Jesus, Jehovah?! by gohf(op): 7:49am On Jan 18, 2025
Steep:
scripture has already prophesied that false teachers like you will rise.

2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

2 Timothy 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 3:8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. 3:9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.

You don't know what is prepared for you, the hottest and blackest darkness is prepared for you.

I pray you repent and see the light Jesus christ shinning.
😂🤣 because I said Jesus is not Jehovah, Jesus is the way to YHVH.
Heresies about God is that you claim God lied and that He isn't the Sovereign God but there are two others equal gods to him
2Pet.2.2 - Many will follow their evil teaching and shameful immorality. And because of them, Christ and his true way will be slandered.
2Pet.2.3 - In their greed they will make up clever lies to get hold of your money. But God condemned them long ago, and their destruction is on the way.

You collect and claim to pay tithes God never asked nor commanded you for, making up clever lies with scripture to enrich yourself -windows of heaven will up not treasures you expect but a flood to destroy those who lie against God and use his name in vain.

1John.4.2 This is the way to find out if they have the Spirit of God: If a prophet acknowledges that Jesus Christ became a human being, that person has the Spirit of God.

But you all claim Jesus is God and was God and not a human, you lie that he became both God and human, but here is states that Jesus became human.

1John.4.5 - These people belong to this world, so they speak from the world's viewpoint, and the world listens to them. (6) - But we belong to God; that is why those who know God listen to us. If they do not belong to God, they do not listen to us. That is how we know if someone has the Spirit of truth or the spirit of deception.

They told there are three gods you believed, yet when the true God speaks to you through us, you refuse to listen because you do not know Him.

You have rightly quoted, 2Tim.3.8 And these teachers fight the truth just as Jannes and Jambres fought against Moses. Their minds are depraved, and their faith is counterfeit.

For their own gains but to the end their destruction, they withstood him who God has chosen, trying to lead the people to destruction with their lies. But you see Paul was even clearer about such people

Yes, and everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will suffer persecution. But evil people and impostors will flourish. They will go on deceiving others, and they themselves will be deceived. 2 Timothy 3:12-13

Now because you are excelling in your evil ways and believe doesn't mean you are right, but the more you deceive others to go against God's word the more you deceive yourself as well

2Tim.4.3 - For a time is coming when people will no longer listen to right teaching. They will follow their own desires and will look for teachers who will tell them whatever they want to hear. (4)- They will reject the truth and follow strange myths.

Have you all not rejected the truth that Jesus is the son of God, God's faithful, righteous and true servant but believe and follow strange stories and myths, calculations and formulations of men, fables of gods, and a god the son.

Are you not supposed to learn from scripture

and if the sign or wonder spoken of takes place, and the prophet says, “Let us follow other gods” (gods you have not known) “and let us worship them,” you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The Lord your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul. It is the Lord your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him. That prophet or dreamer must be put to death for inciting rebellion against the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt and redeemed you from the land of slavery. That prophet or dreamer tried to turn you from the way the Lord your God commanded you to follow. You must purge the evil from among you. Deuteronomy 13: 2 - 5

Yet you follow the said evil willingly because of the signs and wonders you lust after. If you will not turn to the one true God through his son Jesus Christ who will save you?!
Christianity EtcRe: This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared by gohf: 1:52am On Jan 18, 2025
All these ones are false anointed ones and false prophets
Christianity EtcMatthew 24: "The Anointed Ones" Leading You To Hell by gohf(op): 11:49pm On Jan 17, 2025
Have you ever heard some pulpit speakers, quote Psalms 105:15, touch not my anointed and do my prophet no harm.

And then say they are untouchable

Well 1 Chronicles 16:22 and Psalm 105:15 speaks about God's protection on Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, because even when there were threats and harms, God delivered them. And deliverance being the key word, in that the people of Israel where actually oppressed and harmed but God delivered them. God's anointed and His Prophet, Jesus was harmed and killed but God delivered him. Abraham Isaac Jacob were not untouchable they were delivered and protected by God and indeed God rebuked those who hurt them.

So where did this feeling of being untouchable come from. Oh don't speak against him or them, they are anointed. Do NOTE we are not to touch or harm God's anointed, David didn't harm Saul so I am not here to harm anybody but to share God's word.

Anyway Matthew 24, Jesus says something very interesting here

4 - Jesus told them, "Don't let anyone mislead you.
5 - For many will come in my name, saying, 'I am the Messiah.' They will lead many astray.

At first when you read this, you think many people will come out and claim they are THE Christ but then people will think they are crazy, because there can only be one Christ so why should the disciples of Jesus be careful when they already know that. Well, what if we read it this way

Jesus told them, "Don't let anyone mislead you. For many will come in my name, saying, 'I am anointed.' They will lead many astray.

Wait did we forget that Christ and Messiah means anointed?!

Jesus tells his disciples who were wowed by beautiful structures to be careful of those who will come IN HIS NAME claiming to be ANOINTED

So they are not speaking against Jesus and claiming that Jesus is fake and they are the real Christ, NO, they come in his name, in the name of Jesus, saying they are anointed

You know Matthew 24 wasn't the first time Jesus was asked about the temple, and the temple is a place of worship and when Jesus says it will be destroyed. The first thought may be, then where do we worship, isn't this supposed to be the glorious temple with greater glory. LA fire someone posted that God protected a church building, it goes to show how much value we give to "structures" but Jesus rejected the temple, and the mountain and told the Samaritan woman the time is coming when the TRUE worshippers will worship IN SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH not on mountains or in temples.

That's just crazy, Jesus could have said go to the temple, be in spirit hear the truth and worship God. Like how many times does Jesus have to reject the temple before we get it, Stephen literally got arrested for this, Acts 6:13.

Matt.24.11 Then many false prophets will rise up and deceive many. (12) And because iniquity shall increase, the love of many shall wax cold.

Now if you don't know what Iniquity is, and that it is connected to idolatry, check my messages on nairaland and telegram on iniquity, it is because until you understand what it is, you will realize and see why the love of many have gone cold and how this is brought about by false prophets, of whom God spoke about in Deuteronomy 13.

Many will turn away from the true faith, because they are offended, Jesus isn't doing what I want, they will betray and hate each other. Meanwhile the gospel will spread globally.

Let me paraphrase from verse 23
"Then if anyone says to you, "Look, here is an anointed one here or an anointing here!' or "There!' do not believe it.
For false anointed ones and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect, God's chosen ones--if that were possible. See, I have warned you.

Don't believe it, don't go and look for them.

Has anyone ever invited you for an anointing and miracle service where is not one true word of God there or only the corrupted versions and you were not deceived? Well would I say lucky you, even though it's not about luck but about the fact that it is because you are one of God's chosen ones.

Should I start from experience how this men say they received power from another man and not from God or those who claimed to have received it from God don't even know God's word. When someone asks how can there be so much miracles and still so much errors, well it's because they are the false anointed ones.
Christianity EtcRe: Is Jesus, Jehovah?! by gohf(op): 10:50pm On Jan 17, 2025
When you don't know the true identity of the son of God, you will believe a false one
Christianity EtcRe: Calling Upon The Name Of Jesus Will Not Save You?! by gohf(op): 10:33pm On Jan 17, 2025
Okay I will call upon the name of Yahweh or Jehovah so that I can guarantee my salvation, you better calm down till I teach Joel 2, even from that verse 32 alone, you see that there's something occuring that makes that condition and promise available.

Have you not read, Prov.1.28-29 "Then they will call on me, but I will not answer; They will seek me diligently, but they will not find me. Because they hated knowledge And did not choose the fear of the LORD,


Stop looking for an easy road to heaven, you will end up in hell that way, BECAUSE THERE IS NO OTHER WAY AND NO EASY ROAD TO HEAVEN. STOP DAYDREAMING
Christianity EtcRe: Calling Upon The Name Of Jesus Will Not Save You?! by gohf(op): 10:27pm On Jan 17, 2025
Someone tells you call upon the name of the Lord and you will be saved, and you call upon the name of Jesus and go around believing you are saved, whereas you are not.

You believe you are saved so you don't have to obey the commandments, you don't have to give, to love, to pray, to wait. You believe it soo much, you even did miracles and wonders in his name. At this point I remember what Jesus said in Matthew 7, calling me Lord lord will not save you if you do not do the will of God.

If you like call Jesus Yahweh, call him Jehovah, do all the miracles in his name, you will not be saved does it mean serving God is pointless, first off you were not serving God, God never forgets our labor of love.


When we say call upon the name of YHVH, we mean pray to Him and He saves us by sending us salvation, Jesus.


Jesus can only save and keep those whom our Father God has chosen to be saved. Jesus has received the authority to protect and cover them but not predestine those to be saved, and also to judge the rest with God's judgement. John 17:9-12

That's why we are children of God, not children of Jesus, we receive God's gift of eternal life through the death of Jesus whom God gave life to, and we receive it as an inheritance, becoming co-heirs with Christ Jesus our Lord, like a bride who receives an inheritance at the death of our husband. (I wish I could quote every single verse that agrees with what I am writing)

When we speak about the name of Jesus we speak about the authority given to Jesus

When Jesus resurrected he received complete authority over death, for our resurrection into eternal life. To understand the difference, is Lazarus who was resurrected could still die, but whoever is resurrected on that day, will not die.

You need to understand the authority Jesus had on earth before he resurrected, and God who gave it to him, because it is that authority given to Jesus while on earth that Jesus gave to we believers who live on this earth. even though Jesus had that authority he prayed consistently to God.

Let's not talk about that you always want we ministers of God to pray for you, because what is at stake is the salvation of your souls while you continue in an error that leads to destruction and not salvation. So on authority from Christ, the name of Jesus.

We saw earlier Peter who exercised that authority of Jesus's name and the power of God's word. And we need to realize that receiving authority from God doesn't make us equal to God. Even Jesus who received all authority in heaven and earth that will pass away doesn't have God's authority which is above heaven and earth, and can destroy heaven and earth with His coming. Jesus doesn't even consider himself equal to God, but some with smaller power and authority are dreaming themselves to be a god.

Jesus that is at the right side of God is called God's servant, God's son, our high priest and not God but our brother. the fact that our Lord Jesus calls himself our brother should humble us
Christianity EtcRe: Calling Upon The Name Of Jesus Will Not Save You?! by gohf(op): 10:08pm On Jan 17, 2025
gohf:
More verses of Jesus teaching to show who he tells us to pray to

John.15.16 - You didn't choose me. I chose you. I appointed you to go and produce fruit that will last, so that the Father will give you whatever you ask for, using my name.

We use the name of Jesus to ask the Father, and I want us to remember we didn't choose Jesus, we didn't even choose ourselves. God choose Jesus and brought us to him, and we are chosen. Many are called, few are chosen, Matthew 22:14.

For God knew his people in advance, and he chose them to become like his Son, so that his Son would be the firstborn, with many brothers and sisters. And having chosen them, he called them to come to him. And he gave them right standing with himself, and he promised them his glory. Romans 8:29-30

A chosen generation,... called out of darkness 1 Peter 2:9

I want you to note that Jesus called for repentance, for men to turn to God and then God draws people to Jesus, so when Jesus calls, it is those whom God draws that go to him and respond to him. We will still see that in other verses. Okay one more place that shows we pray to the Father and not call upon Jesus.

At that time you won't need to ask me for anything. The truth is, you can go directly to the Father and ask him, and he will grant your request because you use my name. You haven't done this before. Ask, using my name, and you will receive, and you will have abundant joy. Then you will ask in my name. I'm not saying I will ask the Father on your behalf,.. John 16:23,24,26.
Jesus is clearly saying here, don't ask me, ask God. Don't call upon me, call upon God, pray to God.

Praying in the name of Jesus doesn't mean asking Jesus to pray for you. Jesus intercedes for us as our high priest not because we ask him to. And by the authority of Jesus we approach God boldly, Hebrews 4.


Jesus is not the destination, Jesus is the way, that's why those believe in Jesus are called followers of the way, our goal is to return to God, to go to God, there was no way before till Jesus came, there was a veil and the only way is Jesus because he is the only one sent by God for this purpose. He reveals God to us and In John 16:25, Jesus said then I will reveal the Father clearly.
Christianity EtcRe: Calling Upon The Name Of Jesus Will Not Save You?! by gohf(op): 10:03pm On Jan 17, 2025
gohf:
John.14.16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever-- without even God's permission Jesus cannot send the Holy Spirit, it's only with God's permission Jesus does anything and that's what makes Jesus perfect.

And if anything, here in John and also in Luke.11.13 If you sinful people know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him."

we see what we should ask for and receive, and that is the Holy Spirit.
More verses of Jesus teaching to show who he tells us to pray to

John.15.16 - You didn't choose me. I chose you. I appointed you to go and produce fruit that will last, so that the Father will give you whatever you ask for, using my name.

We use the name of Jesus to ask the Father, and I want us to remember we didn't choose Jesus, we didn't even choose ourselves. God choose Jesus and brought us to him, and we are chosen. Many are called, few are chosen, Matthew 22:14.

For God knew his people in advance, and he chose them to become like his Son, so that his Son would be the firstborn, with many brothers and sisters. And having chosen them, he called them to come to him. And he gave them right standing with himself, and he promised them his glory. Romans 8:29-30

A chosen generation,... called out of darkness 1 Peter 2:9

I want you to note that Jesus called for repentance, for men to turn to God and then God draws people to Jesus, so when Jesus calls, it is those whom God draws that go to him and respond to him. We will still see that in other verses. Okay one more place that shows we pray to the Father and not call upon Jesus.

At that time you won't need to ask me for anything. The truth is, you can go directly to the Father and ask him, and he will grant your request because you use my name. You haven't done this before. Ask, using my name, and you will receive, and you will have abundant joy. Then you will ask in my name. I'm not saying I will ask the Father on your behalf,.. John 16:23,24,26.
Christianity EtcRe: Calling Upon The Name Of Jesus Will Not Save You?! by gohf(op): 9:31pm On Jan 17, 2025
John.14.16 And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever-- without even God's permission Jesus cannot send the Holy Spirit, it's only with God's permission Jesus does anything and that's what makes Jesus perfect.

And if anything, here in John and also in Luke.11.13 If you sinful people know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him."

we see what we should ask for and receive, and that is the Holy Spirit.
Christianity EtcRe: Calling Upon The Name Of Jesus Will Not Save You?! by gohf(op): 9:26pm On Jan 17, 2025
gohf:
Praying to Jesus won't save you, we pray through Jesus to the Father. Jesus never taught us to Pray to him, but to our Father God. Our Father who is in heaven, holy is your name.

When we say "in Jesus name" it means we are calling upon God and coming to Him through Jesus,
the way He established we should approach Him by. Before the resurrection the disciples called upon the Father without the name of Jesus but after his resurrection they had to, because that was the only way to approach the Father.

You can't call upon Jehovah without the name of Jesus, and to confess the name of Jesus is to believe that God sent him and glorified him. And so we honor God by acknowledging the honor bestowed upon the son.
Let's go through some of Jesus's teachings

John.14.13-14 - You can ask for anything in my name, and I will do it, because the work of the Son brings glory to the Father. Yes, ask anything in my name, and I will do it!

Now do you read, "you can ask ME" you don't. What Jesus will do isn't because you ask him but because the Father commands him, and thank God there are more verses records what Jesus says and whom you are asking.
Christianity EtcRe: Calling Upon The Name Of Jesus Will Not Save You?! by gohf(op): 9:22pm On Jan 17, 2025
You may say, well Paul said in 1 Corinthians 1 that we call upon the name of Jesus, my immediate response is, does Paul say why? Did he say doing so will save you?

Infact, epikalesētai and epikaloumenois are two different terms with the same root epikaleó, the one used in Acts 2:21 and Romans 10:13 is epikalesētai call upon, while 1 Corinthians 1:2 uses epikaloumenois, which I believe means "proclaiming" Jesus.

Now read it like this: 1Cor.1.2 To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be holy, together with all those everywhere who proclaim the name of our Lord Jesus Christ--their Lord and ours:

And here to proclaim Jesus is to honor him not to pray to him, but if you won't accept well you will continue praying to him
Christianity EtcRe: Calling Upon The Name Of Jesus Will Not Save You?! by gohf(op): 9:15pm On Jan 17, 2025
gohf:
This event continues in Acts 4, and still Peter doesn't proclaim Jesus is Jehovah or God, but God's servant whom God has glorified by giving him authority which we believers have received and use.

Acts.4.7 And when they had set them in the midst, they asked, "By what power or by what name have you done this?"

It was to this question, Peter answered by the Holy Spirit, he was healed in the name and power of Jesus Christ, whom you crucified but God raised from the dead, that name testifies of God's salvation from death.

This is where I am going to; then they were beaten, and what happens next they prayed. They called upon the name of the LORD

Acts.4.24 When they heard this, they raised their voices together in prayer to God. "Sovereign Lord," they said, "you made the heaven and the earth and the sea, and everything in them....

30 - Send your healing power; may miraculous signs and wonders be done through the name of your holy servant Jesus."
31 - After this prayer, the building where they were meeting shook, and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit. And they preached God's message with boldness.

***** they prayed to God
***** The resurrected Jesus is God's servant.
***** God does the healings and miracles through the name of Jesus
Praying to Jesus won't save you, we pray through Jesus to the Father. Jesus never taught us to Pray to him, but to our Father God. Our Father who is in heaven, holy is your name.

When we say "in Jesus name" it means we are calling upon God and coming to Him through Jesus,
the way He established we should approach Him by. Before the resurrection the disciples called upon the Father without the name of Jesus but after his resurrection they had to, because that was the only way to approach the Father.

You can't call upon Jehovah without the name of Jesus, and to confess the name of Jesus is to believe that God sent him and glorified him. And so we honor God by acknowledging the honor bestowed upon the son.

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