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You call your selfs followers of Christ yet what do you follow Christ to do?

I prefer to follow the true Christ, Jesus of Nazareth the son of God who isn't a god who worshipped the one true God, I prefer to follow him and worship our Father and our God.

Tetraozonaitera:
@ THE BOLDED

THE WAY YOU GUYS MANIPULATE SCRIPTURES TO SUIT YOUR BELIEFS IS SO AMAZING!

SEE THE WAY YOU EXPLAIN AWAY THE "FIRST AND THE LAST" you attributed to Jesus!
Chai!
So that one is associated to the first will be the last and the last will the first.

THE OTHER "THE FIRST AND THE LAST" HAS DIFFERENT MEANING ABI?

WHERE IN THE BIBLE WERE THEY SEPARATED AND EXPLAINED DIFFERENTLY?

YOU GUYS AND WATCHTOWER TEACHING ARE JOKERS.

KEEP DECEIVING YOURSELVES.

The christ you call God is falsechrist the antichrist. Churches worshipping trinity instead of YHVH are churches of the devil, with signs and wonders to lead you to hell. These are like the gates of hell

The christ you call God is falsechrist the antichrist. Churches worshipping trinity instead of YHVH are churches of the devil, with signs and wonders to lead you to hell. These are like the gates of hell

The christ you call God is falsechrist the antichrist. Churches worshipping trinity instead of YHVH are churches of the devil, with signs and wonders to lead you to hell. These are like the gates of hell

The christ you call God is falsechrist the antichrist. Churches worshipping trinity instead of YHVH are churches of the devil, with signs and wonders to lead you to hell. These are like the gates of hell

That fake cease-fire, but some are stubborn even at death's door

Amotolongbo:
what is the correlation between “well wrapped” and “baby positioning”?
I guess you just want to post.

Moreover, how does my observation relate to what the woman was saying.

You’ve obviously shown where you stand in the intelligence spectrum.

okay o spectrometer

Zooposki:
Hmmm

he is a servant of the devil, he and all those he fathers and call him father.

All this false anointed ones, fake men of God serving their own belles and bodies instead of God

thesicilian:
Bought with church money, but probably gifted to his fellow billionaires

like what does pastor Chris need a jet for, worth billions in naira.

It's like say we don't care about the poor but our selves

Amotolongbo:
The woman could say and do whatever she likes, I don’t care.
The comfort of the innocent should be preserved.

Thank you

the baby was well wrapped and she didn't speak English. You obviously didn't watch the video 😁👍

jesusjnr2020:
The wrath of God is not far off by the signs.

Ask Sodom and Gomorrah.

is this the burning 1/3 of the earth 😮‍💨

Small place is burning the world is mourning like they care, what will happen if 1/3 of the earth is on fire

Amotolongbo:
If you have the data to see the video, go and see.

saw the video before it was posted here and didn't notice that, maybe the baby wanted to preach as well and she would have been readjusted later but aint you focusing on the wrong thing.
The baby was well wrapped

Amotolongbo:
Aren’t you supposed to be more concerned about the bad positioning of the poor baby giving her discomfort?

and you can tell that from the picture or the video?

Answer: Jesus warned us that “false Christs and false prophets” will come and will attempt to deceive even God’s elect (Matthew 24:23-27; see also 2 Peter 3:3 and Jude 17-18). The best way to guard yourself against falsehood and false teachers is to know the truth. To spot a counterfeit, study the real thing. Any believer who “correctly handles the word of truth” (2 Timothy 2:15) and who makes a careful study of the Bible can identify false doctrine. For example, a believer who has read the activities of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit in Matthew 3:16-17 will immediately question any doctrine that denies the Trinity. Therefore, step one is to study the Bible and judge all teaching by what the Scripture says.

Jesus said “a tree is recognized by its fruit” (Matthew 12:33). When looking for “fruit,” here are three specific tests to apply to any teacher to determine the accuracy of his or her teaching:

1) What does this teacher say about Jesus? In Matthew 16:15-16, Jesus asks, “Who do you say I am?” Peter answers, “You are the Christ, the Son of the living God,” and for this answer Peter is called “blessed.” In 2 John 9, we read, “Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son.” In other words, Jesus Christ and His work of redemption is of utmost importance; beware of anyone who denies that Jesus is equal with God, who downplays Jesus’ sacrificial death, or who rejects Jesus’ humanity. First John 2:22 says, “Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist—he denies the Father and the Son.”

2) Does this teacher preach the gospel? The gospel is defined as the good news concerning Jesus’ death, burial, and resurrection, according to the Scriptures (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). As nice as they sound, the statements “God loves you,” “God wants us to feed the hungry,” and “God wants you to be wealthy” are not the complete message of the gospel. As Paul warns in Galatians 1:7, “Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ.” No one, not even a great preacher, has the right to change the message that God gave us. “If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned!” (Galatians 1:9).

3) Does this teacher exhibit character qualities that glorify the Lord? Speaking of false teachers, Jude 11 says, “They have taken the way of Cain; they have rushed for profit into Balaam’s error; they have been destroyed in Korah’s rebellion.” In other words, a false teacher can be known by his pride (Cain’s rejection of God’s plan), greed (Balaam’s prophesying for money), and rebellion (Korah’s promotion of himself over Moses). Jesus said to beware of such people and that we would know them by their fruits (Matthew 7:15-20).

For further study, review those books of the Bible that were written specifically to combat false teaching within the church: Galatians, 2 Peter, 1 John, 2 John, and Jude. It is often difficult to spot a false teacher/false prophet. Satan masquerades as an angel of light (2 Corinthians 11:14), and his ministers masquerade as servants of righteousness (2 Corinthians 11:15). Only by being thoroughly familiar with the truth will we be able to recognize a counterfeit.

I copied this here from Nairaland posted more than five years ago from a deleted account. I believe there are some wonderful posts in nairaland that get forgotten at times.

No excuse not to carry the gospel and carry our responsibilities to others which is also the gospel 👍 😁

https://www.nairaland.com/8314955/trinitarians-believe-pre-tribulation-falsechrist

cutecommend:
Several people go to church every Sunday, but many of them are not transformed and do not show forth the nature of Christ. Are we to say it is majorly the fault of the Pastor?

Signs your preacher is preaching the true gospel.

(1) When members drop bad ways because of what is being preached. E.g. Members doing hookup abandon it and prefer to suffer than to return back to hookup.

(2) Heaven-consciousness: If you often have the consciousness of heaven and eternity because of what is being preached.

(3) Developing Exemplary Lifestyle: If you or your church is known for certain good character etc, then you are likely to have the right preacher.

(4) Death to Worldliness: If your Pastor of Preachers message makes you loose taste for worldly music, worldly dressing, worldly lifestyle etc.

1. Judas didn't stop being a thief and lover of money even though he was among the main circle and frankly it was those who truly believed Jesus message that changed and not all who followed him who left at some point. So what people become isn't an evidence that the message is the true gospel.

2. I agree with this part, because we repent for the Kingdom of God and this is what the gospel is, repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand. But being conscious of heaven is also a part of the message which isn't the total truth. The full message is, forsake the things of the world, don't put your mind on things below but on things above. So when a pulpit speaker tells you to put your mind on both does that mean he is preaching the true gospel because he mentions heaven, no it doesn't.


3. A good character, is a term that should be explained, is it the fruit of the Holy Spirit that even though a person has it they will be hated by the world or a "good character" that makes a person loved by the world. A lifestyle may earn you the praises of men but not the praises of God.


4. Didn't see this before my comment of number 2, if anything I doubt the examples suffice as benefiting examples of the true gospel because all this can and are being taught by the fakes and falses one. Death to worldliness is death to pleasures, to lusts of the eye, lust of the flesh, pride of life. To selfishnessness, excessiveness, coveteouness, materialism and outward displays of immorality that goes against self control and the fruit of the Holy Spirit. You can't be having 10cars when you only need to drive one, but can a materialistic money loving puppet of the devil preach such when they have fleets of cars and clothes. When we say worldly lifestyle we need to explain it, is it like TD JAKES going to a puff DADDDYs party? Or men of goat associating and endorsing wicked politicians and men.

Like on nairaland, though this one's don't have visuals nor audio 😊 👍👍

Interesting waiting to read comments especially from those who don't believe in supernatural and only claim science, what their explanation to this is that's if they believe it happened 🪑

ThatWriterBoy:
So I have finished Genesis and I started Exodus today. I'm at the point where God called Moses from the burning bush.

I'm wondering: couldn't the Israelites have fought back against the Egyptians when Pharoah started his painful laws?

I mean, he actually gave an order for the male babies to be killed! Shouldn't that have been enough for the Hebrews to stand up and be like "This is the last straw" and fight back?

Scripture said they had a massive population, and the Egyptians were even scared of them. Pharoah was scared that if there was a war, and they sided with their enemies, they could take over the country.

Shouldn't they have used it to their advantage, especially after Pharoah began killing their male children?

they were not a nation with their own military to even think of fighting one of the greatest nations of their time. Egyptians were scared of the possibility of them becoming a major threat

sonmvayina:
Bart Erhmam is not a Christian...

wasn't referencing him for that, when we mention Josephus flavius it's not because he is a Christian but Bart said he used to be and went to theological school before becoming an "expert in ancient greek texts"

They tried to hide the truth, read bart erhman not sure if I got his name correctly

Indeed God is not trinity.

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cosiocan:
My Brother, the Heart desires of Our God is for all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth."For there is only ONE God, and only ONE mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;"
(1 Timothy 2:5).
"And there is no other God but one and even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods and many lords), yet for us there is only ONE God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in Him; and only ONE Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live". Notice, Paul says that there is “one God,” who is not the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, but “the Father.”
(1Corinthians 8:5-6).
Therefore I believe, that God the Father is the Person of the Holy Spirit in Christ Jesus; as it is written; "God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself" (2Cor 5:19).
And Our Lord Jesus Christ is the Person of the Holy Spirit in the saints, as it is written; "through Him we have access by one Spirit unto the Father"
(Ephesians 2:18).
Even Christ himself illustrated this divine relationship, when He prayed for the unity of the saints saying, the glory which you (the Father) has given me I have given to them: that they (the saints) may be one, even as we (the Father and the Son) are one. I (Christ) in them (the saints) and you (the Father) in me (christ), that they may be made perfect in one. We can deduce from this illustration, that the Father is the person in Christ and Christ is the person in the saints. However this relationship is possible through the Holy Spirit.
(John 17:22-23)
As it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being.” The last Adam Christ became a life-giving Spirit. (The Holy Spirit)
(1 Corinthians 15:45)
For this reason, Apostle Paul stated clearly; that if the Jews should turn their hearts to the Lord Jesus, then the veil of Moses shall be taken away from their hearts. "Now the Lord Jesus Christ is the Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty". And if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
( 2 Corinthians 3:16-17). (Roman 8:9).

instead of Paul to call Jesus a second god he calls him the last Adam. Think about that

Still haven't found single post scriptural and gospel proof that Jesus is God and Trinity is not of satan

FxMasterz:
God bless Steep for the answers provided so far.

Jesus was a God-man. He was fully God and fully man.

As a foundation, the son of man is man. The son of a goat is a goat. The Son of God is God.

His human dimension was fully human. This enabled Him to be able to take man's position in sin while man takes His position in righteousness. This exchange can only happen between man and man. Since there was no man to do it for man, God put on flesh in order to do for man, what man could not do for himself.

However, He did not allow His humanity to conflict with His divinity. While He is designated as our Great Representative to pay our debts for us (By representing us in His human dimension, He is able to stand in the gap and pay on our behalves). Only man can pay for man. He is not only our Representative, He is also our Example (All His references to God as His God, His Father , Can of His own do nothing, etc were premised on His role as our example), and He would return as our Judge.

Jesus was man in His body but God in His Spirit.

1 Timothy 3:16
"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

FxMasterz:
God bless Steep for the answers provided so far.

Jesus was a God-man. He was fully God and fully man.

As a foundation, the son of man is man. The son of a goat is a goat. The Son of God is God.

His human dimension was fully human. This enabled Him to be able to take man's position in sin while man takes His position in righteousness. This exchange can only happen between man and man. Since there was no man to do it for man, God put on flesh in order to do for man, what man could not do for himself.

However, He did not allow His humanity to conflict with His divinity. While He is designated as our Great Representative to pay our debts for us (By representing us in His human dimension, He is able to stand in the gap and pay on our behalves). Only man can pay for man. He is not only our Representative, He is also our Example (All His references to God as His God, His Father , Can of His own do nothing, etc were premised on His role as our example), and He would return as our Judge.

Jesus was man in His body but God in His Spirit.

1 Timothy 3:16
"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory."

And so we who are children of God are also God's as well.

When you can't use scripture use logic, that the unsung motto of trinitarians

You guys believing the nonsense called god-man

Mind you 1 John 4 the Living Bible

[1] Dearly loved friends, don’t always believe everything you hear just because someone says it is a message from God: test it first to see if it really is. For there are many false teachers around,
[2] and the way to find out if their message is from the Holy Spirit is to ask: Does it really agree that Jesus Christ, God’s Son, actually became man with a human body? If so, then the message is from God.
[3] If not, the message is not from God but from one who is against Christ, like the Antichrist you have heard about who is going to come, and his attitude of enmity against Christ is already abroad in the world.


[4] Dear young friends, you belong to God and have already won your fight with those who are against Christ because there is someone in your hearts who is stronger than any evil teacher in this wicked world.
[5] These men belong to this world, so, quite naturally, they are concerned about worldly affairs and the world pays attention to them.
[6] But we are children of God; that is why only those who have walked and talked with God will listen to us. Others won’t. That is another way to know whether a message is really from God; for if it is, the world won’t listen to it.

gohf:
No matter their back and forth, do not forget the point, the Holy Spirit is not YHVH God

the Holy Spirit is God's spirit not god the spirit

Every church founded with the Trinity believe is of the devil, they have a pact with the devil whether they are aware or not, that's why he is the deceiver.

The devil is their father, the falsechrist is their god and the false prophecy is their god the spirit

gohf:
No matter how many times you shout or call the name Jesus you will not get saved, salvation is through the name of Jesus by being baptized in his name, believing in Jesus and obeying his words, believing that the son of God who died and rose is our Lord and Christ and obeying the commandments to love God and love others as yourself.



And what is the will and commands of God



1John.3.21 - Dear friends, if our conscience is clear, we can come to God with bold confidence.
22 - And we will receive whatever we request because we obey him and do the things that please him.
23 - And this is his commandment: We must believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as he commanded us.
24 - Those who obey God's commandments live in fellowship with him, and he with them. And we know he lives in us because the Holy Spirit lives in us.

We should know that to believe in the name of Jesus doesn't mean to call upon the name of Jesus. To call upon a name is to pray to that name or person. A name signifies authority, authority has been given to Jesus but does that mean God doesn't have authority anymore, no it doesn't. To believe in a name, is to believe in that person's authority.

The name of Christ and the authority of Christ

John the Baptist speaking about Jesus in John.3. He tells what he has seen and heard, but how few believe what he tells them! Those who believe him discover that God is true. For he is sent by God. He speaks God's words, for God's Spirit is upon him without measure or limit.
The Father loves his Son, and he has given him authority over everything. And all who believe in God's Son have eternal life. Those who don't obey the Son will never experience eternal life, but the wrath of God remains upon them."

Everything in Jesus that comes from the Father is the authority to give life to those who believe and obey God

You seem to believe whatever anyone tells you, even if they preach about a different Jesus than the one we preach, or a different Spirit than the one you received, or a different kind of gospel than the one you believed.
But I don't think I am inferior to these "super apostles."
I may not be a trained speaker, but I know what I am talking about. I think you realize this by now, for we have proved it again and again.
Did I do wrong when I humbled myself and honored you by preaching God's Good News to you without expecting anything in return?

These people are false apostles. They have fooled you by disguising themselves as apostles of Christ.
But I am not surprised! Even Satan can disguise himself as an angel of light. So it is no wonder his servants can also do it by pretending to be godly ministers. In the end they will get every bit of punishment their wicked deeds deserve.

Since I know it is all for Christ's good, I am quite content with my weaknesses and with insults, hardships, persecutions, and calamities. For when I am weak, then I am strong. You have made me act like a fool--boasting like this. You ought to be writing commendations for me, for I am not at all inferior to these "super apostles," even though I am nothing at all.
When I was with you, I certainly gave you every proof that I am truly an apostle, sent to you by God himself, signs, wonders and miracles--were done among you with great perseverance.
The only thing I didn't do, which I do in the other churches, was to become a burden to you. Please forgive me for this wrong!...
{2 Corinthians 11&12}

Steep:
haha you just exposed yourself, you want to dodge the meaning of theotetos, stop lying theotetos has a meaning which is the very essence of God.
You liar theias does not mean deity, it means pertaining to God

you are a filthy and disgusting liar.
All liars will find theirselves in the lake of fire.

1 John 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

Revelation 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

I am talking life this one is talking dictionary, have you so soon forgotten in your pride, like Paul would put it, it is in wisdom or in qualifications, steep have you ever been in step with with any simple academic disection I have done, but now you are steep deep in your own arrogance. The worst part is that one important thing I wrote you have not proved it wrong

What you are just doing is piling up evidence against you when God would judge.

How would you answer God if He asks you, "so you believe he was wrong but you couldn't show how he was wrong and yet you believe it"

Wait are you assuming fools will enter God's kingdom, because even God's little children are not foolish, for He gives them wisdom knowledge and understanding but you, you are a literally definition of your name. Your many words are just like a man trying to whitewash a tomb, and paint a grave white, it doesn't change what is inside of you. Steep, it doesn't

There are so many lies that the devil spreads and this makes the truth more valuable though harder to find.

And one of his methods is creating several versions of the Christ, changing God's word in severally ways till people can't even figure out which is true.

If salvation from death was to be like a man locked in a room with many keys where only one can open the door, he would either need enough time to try them all or great luck to find the right one. But as it seems man doesn't have all the time to go through all religions to find the one with the right key and luck isn't the way God operates. Though people do get lucky, I call it God's favor. And if God's favor is in operation in a man's life, finding the right key won't be about how long but when God wills it.

If everything that occurs, happens based on God's will then you reading this is also something God has predestined but your decision shows whether you are favored by God or not.

The question now is, does God favor the wicked?

You know it says that through Jesus comes grace and truth, I always meditate on that and wondered what it truly meant but then you realize God has already sent his commandments first and then he sends his grace next. And that favor from God is the only way to escape the locked room called death.

So it means two things
1. God sent no different commands but the 10 commandments which reveals if a man loves God and if he loves others
2. The commandments serve a purpose to determine those who will receive God's favor


Now ask yourselves this if God who is going to judge the whole world what should be the criteria for his judgement so that it is fair for everyone. Do you think the basis is what you believe? Do you think the basis is where you grew up and what you were taught? As much as all this affects us, is that truly the basis.

But let me tell you the basis of God's judgement, it is love and this is what Jesus revealed and why God expects us to believe him, who revealed the only way out, the only way to obtain favor from God, the favor for eternal life- by obeying the one true God YHVH.

For God is good and God is love and no other one can judge what good is apart from Him and only by God can any judge what is good.

Men made religions that follow men, but the true way points not to any man but to God YHVH, creator of ALL.

If God is to send another after Jesus it would be the Holy Spirit so that love will continually dwell in the hearts of those favored by God and God has done that and this gift dwells in the heart of those who do God's will. God will not send another man but the perfect man to establish His kingdom on earth and do away with wickedness. And that will be when the number of children He wants are complete.

Time is short and many are entering, not by religion but by doing good and not loving the things of the world, the reason you should believe in Jesus is because he is sent by God, the reason you should believe only in him, is because God sent no other.

The prophets of God from the beginning, from Job all spoke about the Messiah who is God's son but himself is not God, but submits to God as is an example to us on complete submission and obedience. He obeyed God and not religion, even if it meant suffering and dying.

If you want to believe and follow Jesus to God our Father YHVH, I want you to know the truth, the world hates God and they will hate you too, they love wickedness and their own selfishness and they will hate you for doing and saying what is right. They love darkness and hate light.

So this isn't about changing religion but God changing your heart so you love Him completely and love others as well.

Noah was righteous and he found favor with God, Jesus is righteous and full of God's favor that though he was killed, God rose him up from the grave to show us that He keeps His promise. Promises made to those who do what pleases Him, who do His will, who do not do works of wickedness and Iniquity, who do not bear false witness and covet what doesn't belong to them, who do not murder nor take another's wife or property. Who doesn't hate nor hurt his neighbor nor plans evil against them in their hearts. Those who fear God and believe He will judge between the good and the evil and reward those who have been faithful till the end. To them He will fulfill the promise of resurrection to eternal life.

Not to those who call God or those who sacrifice for God desires mercy and not sacrifice. Love and not offerings of blood and goats, God doesn't eat them, your money belongs to your Caesars. Honor God by being good, honor Him by being righteous that way people would believe and see that there is God when they see your good works.

Put away from yourselves those idols and practices that lack love, put away burdens and yokes of wickedness take upon you God's command which is light. Do not believe in false prophets or false men claiming to be of God, leave religion and the many rituals that doesn't affect God nor bring you closer to God, leave those things that made you condemn the righteous and the good because they do not look like you or show outwardly to be one of you. Leave and put away your carnal judgements and pride and truly submit humbly to God and He will save you and bring you to Jesus- YHVH is salvation.