₦airaland Forum

Nutase:
Countries are moving away from oil we are wasting the small money that we would have used to repair our bad roads looking for what does not exist.

The earlier we start moving away from oil in Nigeria the better for our future generations.

especially in this era of digital transformation and digital disruption mhen we are just backward as a people

RoyalUc:
Goke7 please come. Your attention is nedded.

oga, if I start, I may be stoned here so it's best to be quiet, some folks here are already doing a good job

I detest ipob but shettima is very wrong here, if he says ipob can snowballed into something bigger than boko haram, Yes but to say that its threat is bigger than boko haram now is an exaggeration

Alcatraz005:
Ok, see that this thread has caused so much pain and anguish to some of us. I can never wish evil on my tribe. I love the Yoruba race too much to divide it on the basis of religion.

I apologize once more to my Muslim brothers.

I urge the mods to shut down this thread.

really? I hope you've learnt your lesson sha

Mccullum:
Never rely on politicians statement because their actions and utterances different to when they're still a campaigners and when they're in charge of political office,

believe them at your own disappointed....

exactly if man enter office and ipob disturb am na im go first call army, naija politicians I hail o!

fergie001:
Osita Chidoka
Articulate,bright and intelligent young man.
Watched him on sunrise daily on Channels today,

This is an election period so do not really follow what he says hook,line and sinker.He sure need the votes,so most of the things he said might not be from the heart.He could have done worse if given the chance.

The main valid point I got from him was that:the youths do not trust their leaders.Especially in Igbo land because of the cash-and-carry politics we play.The Governors and their cluelessness will be well-documented later.

But Chidoka also went off the mark when he advocated a single term of 5years citing that incumbent governors/presidents use state machinery to wanting to win elections.
He was in front of Jonathan's reelection and should not Approbate and reprobate.

Suffice this to say,there is a lot of problems with the Igbo Leadership,there is no roundtable.The leaders are just not there,the Nwobodos,OUKs,et al....are not the ones to look up 2,now see the set of 5 jesters that are 2 join same pool of elders.

Now,Until we begin to challenge our leadership,I mean looking inwards,the kind of people we (s)elect,we will continue 2 suffer.

@ the bolded, you see the wayo of politicians?

IJOBA2:
C.A.N DID IGBO ELDERS DID YORUBA ELDERS DID PASTOR AYO ORITSEJAFOR DID FAYOSE DID FFK DID

did they condemn Gej and blame him like they are doing to PMB, don't lie here o if you say you are a christian

Alcatraz005:
Goke, I don't want to see you on this thread again ooo. You have proven to be unreasonable. I never advocated hate of any religion. I only called for vigilance and demanded equity and justice of all Nigerians.

Pray tell, why didn't any of you talk oabout the rampaging and marauding Fulani herdsmen who are on a jihadic march to the south. Should I sit down and allow millions of Yorubas to be at risk because I want to be politically correct?

the fulanis are a minority in Nigeria, check wikipedia they are just 7 million so how can they overun a yoruba population of almost 40 million if not more?, you see when i say you guys don't have strong points?

Bibidear:
no,u talked about yoruba muslims

leave him let him be jumping up and down the thread

Alcatraz005:
He is a silk. We are both practitioners. Do you know who I am too? Do I sound like a nobody to you? Abeg leave my thread if you cant reply me with decorum.

and do you know who I am too? remove the clog in your eyes, before trying to pluck out another man's own, fix your mess bruv while I fix mine. northerners are not our problem, leave them to fix their own mess. don't be too self righteous

Alcatraz005:
OMG, I preached hate? Do you know what hate is? So because I asked for justice and equity, I am now a purveyor of hate? No, you won't shut me up. I stand my ground and would not be bamboozled by people who I have fought and been insulted for because I now raised an issue which worries millions. If you didn't have something to hide, why am I being hounded for doing this thread?

And I never said Christians hated pastor Yemi. What I said is they don't like him as before because he has not spoken up when needed.

Ori yin o ope rara! Awon omo irankiran!

again I ask who spoke up when Christians were being killed under the immediate past administration, I need an answer pls a and when has there been justice and equity in Nigeria, did it just start to happen under PMB? more questions begging for answers pls

Bibidear:
stop these....i am a proud baptist member.....if people dont support u then u think the person is a muslim.....i am a proud yoruba girl who puts her tribe first....i dont support what the president is doing in abia but u shouldnt put the yoruba tribe to it

don't mind them, even alcatraz has now called me a muslim. the truth is they are not Christians at all cos no true christian no matter the tribe will preach hate for any group of people. they are the major problem we have right now and we just have to manage them and see they don't bring calamity to our land

Alcatraz005:
Now I have no doubt whatsoever that you are a Muslim! I have no problem with that but why lie that you are a Christian?

A Christian would never say the things you said up there. I am disappointed.

You are actually the one am dissappointed with, how can you claim to be a rccg member yet you disliked[ I don't want to use the word Hate] the vp? what has he done? was the one who sent the military to the SE? do you know who osibanjo is, you think he doesn't have a life outside politics? who are you to say who and who don't like the vp

call me whatever you like, you can't be a christian and a rccg member and say those things about the vp. now answer my question were christians killed during Gej's reign or not and what did he do?

IJOBA2:
YOU KNOW FULLY WELL THAT YOU ARE NOT A CHRISTIAN BIBIDEAR. I HAVE SEEN A LOT OF CHRISTIAN WANNABE ON HERE WHEN THE ISSUE LIKE THIS COME UP... THE LIKES OF MARKFEMI, SARRKI, AND GOKE7 ARE GOOD EXAMPLES

answer her question, stop beating about the bush, don't be hypocritical

Alcatraz005:
OMG Bibi! Can't you see that the pastor is powerless and there to create a narrative that our interests are protected? I am a redeemer like pastor Yemi and I was sad that he couldn't do or say anything about the murder of the deaconess in Abuja. They have so messed with pastor Yemi that most Christians don't like him anymore. He is an honorable man but he's amidst people who are stronger than him. He can't cough where they are. That is why brave people like FFK and Fayose are looked up to. They are soldiers of Christ. I don't care what anybody has to say.

you are a liar, you can't be a rccg member and disliked the vp. I personally know that the reason many Christians don't like the vp is because he does not share money like GEJ was doing for pastors in his days. This I have on good authority, forget the murder of the abuja deaconess bunkum story, were Christians not killed during the GEJ's reign? what did he do about it? did our Nigerian pastors condemn GEJ when Christians were murdered during Gej's tenure? did pastor ayo condemn GEJ when Christians were killed, instead they faced PMB and APC even when they were not yet in Govt. Hypocrisy of the highest order. can't you see it's all politics? kontinu

Alcatraz005:
What true color? I am a yoruba man who shows care for my people and scared for a part of the race if we don't ask for equity.

Why has no one asked and thought if the allegation that the north want to islamise the country is true ? You think Christians are just being hysterical for no reason? Why has this conspiracy theory refused to die?

I want an answer from the hordes of posters hounding me here.

No one can islamise Nigeria, it is hypocritical Christians who don't know who they truly are that are hysterical, you guys should stop the islamisation bunkum, it's not selling and will not sell. ffk and fayose has written tons of articles on this, still even christians in Yoruba land don't take them serious cos they are using the christian religion to seek political relevance.

The islamisation message has been preached over the years still tons of churches keep springing up even in the far north, I repeat are you really a christian? do you understand the power of the gospel. so all the millions that troop to rccg camp, mfm camp, winners ota weekly and monthly will suddenly become Muslims abi? you must be a comedian

Bibidear:
u did not pass any message...if u truly have a muslim has a best friend....then he should be scared of u cos u can kill him....

word! alcatraz you dey hear?

Bibidear:
I dont get u op.....there is nothing lyk yoruba muslims...my mum twin sis married a muslim,she is still a practising xtian together with her children....i have muslims and traditional worshippers in my family....so what are u saying...and my own family are baptist...we relate with them cordially....na wa for this nairaland...it is here that i am hearing yoruba muslim for the first time

I also heard it here the first time, their problem is they feel it was the yoruba Christians who actually voted PMB into power, they needed that number of votes for GEJ in 2015 but they were dissapointed now they need those votes again in 2019, reason they are always remembering us of Turkey story which has refuse to sell

Alcatraz005:
Bibi, I am not trying to divide us but to sensitize our aloof Christians. The greatest fear of a Christian is to be forced to live in a Muslim environment/nation. Let us avoid what happened in turkey.

oh stop the turkey bunkum, that is what you guys resort to to pass your message of hate, do you really know the true history of Turkey? have you found out what the Christians were doing then before they were overrun by islam? is Christianity in Europe still what it was centuries ago? is america still practicing Christianity the way it was centuries ago. apart form turkey even the entire north africa had Christianity permeating its entire space centuries ago. You wanna blame it all on Islam? chai, I have told you let everyone go and fix their mess before blaming others

Turkey ko, chicken ni! shior

IJOBA2:
GOKE7 IS A CORR YORUBA MUSLIM

anybody that does not join you to abuse PMB is a yoruba muslim ba?

Alcatraz005:
Ok now i would address the concerns of ODvanguard, ereolamide, cabal, bibi and Goke who i presume are yorubas. I am from Ogun State, Abeokuta precisely and i have lived all my life in Lagos. My two best friends from University who i trust with my life are muslims and i love them to the bone. Also, my best friend in the office isd a muslim and although, we disagree on some matters of principle, we love and trust each other to a reasonable. Contrary to the impression that i might have created that i hate muslims, i dont and i have never been hurt by any muslim before be it Yoruba or Hausa. However, i have cause for serious concern for Nigerian Christians as the global terror and quest for World domination expressed by the Muslim Ummah has made hitherto liberal Christians weary of their safety and religious freedom in a fast changing World. Needless to say that the liberal muslims have done or nothing to roll back the progress of extremists in their midst. All we have seen are feeble condemnations which has not stopped the Jihad being waged against Christians the World over.

On the homefront, Boko Haram has killed upto 30,000 Christians and destroyed churches and properties worth Billions of Dollars thereby displacing both Christian and Muslims from their homes. At the onset of the insurgency, Christians were the main target but as time went by, the muslims also began the brunt of the carnage of adherents of this beautiful religion. Southerners in Nigeria were at the onset unperturbed at the happenings in the North but certain events have forced them to propagate ideas which ensure that they would be safe. Specifically, Christians in Yorubaland have cause to be worried by the rise to prominence of certain groups like MURIC headed by a certain Yoruba man, in fact a Professor called Akintola {cant remember first name} and he is also the Secretary General of NSCIA. He has at numerous times come out to defend intolerable acts committed by members of the islamic Faith and this is a source of great fear for Yoruba Christains.

We also have Professor Ishaq Oloyede, the Secreatary General of Jamaaltu whatever {cant remember}, he also doubles as the Registrar of Jamb {Joint Admission and Matriculations Board. He also expresses what is in the view of many, extreme views which worries millions of Christians of Yoruba Extraction{Although it muted in order to present a unified front}. The events that occurred in Osun State is also notable in the sense the Osun Governor made it seem that a predetermined or orchestrated plot was being executed to seize missionary Christian Schools from its adherents. The reason i am stating all these is for the world to know the fears of millions of Christians. I would not detered in my quest to sensitize my people and jolt them from the slumber of being apolitical and aloof to what goes on around them.

I am not oblivious that the authorities who at this moment mainly comprise of the very same people who want to change our way of Life. For example, i usually listen to Jimi Disu who professes to be a converted Christian but usually supports this administration in its divisive actions and rights violation of citizens who practice alternate religions. The scare tactic of gagging those with differing opinions and views as purveyors of hate speech would not work in this democracy. We would not look away while the rights of Nigerian christians are being violated at will. I can always operate from the deep web if it so happens that online commentaries on forums such as Nairaland are being monitored by the authorities. We are in the 21st century and there is a limit to how citizens' freedom of expression can be monitored or gagged. It is not like majority of Nigerian online commentors/activists are involved in the narcotics tarde or sale of firearms on the deep web as it obtains in the developed world. We are only asking that all citizens be treated equally and that justice takes root in Nigeria. The current administration has disappointed a lot of people and it is very frustrating to see that some people still support it due to hate for a certain tribe/religion.

I still have a lot to say but i have very little time. My brothers should read and reflect deeply on some of the things i have said on this thread in order to realise why there are so many agitations in the country especially under this adminitration. Safe.

the agitations under this administration are merely political due to disgruntled politicians who are yet to recover form the loss of the 2015 elections, just like someone on this thread has said, are there not many Christians serving in the top most echelon of this present administration, what is actually your problem? do you know how many RCCG pastors are in this govt? are you aware that it is the Christians that are holding the most sensitive positions in PMB's govt, the minster of finance, the chief of general staff, the cbn governor, the firs chairman, the minister of foreign affairs, minister of trade and the list goes on, are they Muslims?, some are even pastors, don't you know the former SGF was an ecwa pastor from the north before kasala burst for am, who is violating whose rights here?

we know you guys are using style to campaign for PDP and that is why they will loose again, stop hiding under the christian religion to create enmity in yoruba land! If indeed you are a christian, you will be propagating the gospel to win more converts instead of trying to cause a division that does not exist in yoruba land. This was your campaign slogan to corner more votes in youruba land for pdp in the last elections and still it did not work, pls try another approach ok?

Alcatraz005:
Goke, this is not preaching or anything. Please go check statsocial's post on this thread. Open your eyes bro.

It is your eyes that need to open as the purpose of this thread you created has been defeated as it has over the years. Your points are not strong enough, you guys keep mixing faith and politics and it's not working.

Alcatraz005:
Goke get real please. So we should forget about the physical? You seem to be fighting for them here. We are not saying we hate anybody but that we have to be conscious. FFK,Fayose,NK, Donald Trump, TY. Danjuma, Solomon Asemota, Pastor oritsejafor and millions of Christians who are scared are not mad.

Christianity is a personal relationship with God, I don't need these fellows to speak for me, Christianity existed before they were born and will continue to exist after they are gone or will they live forever? Nobody can fight for God bruv

julietm123:
This guy is a yoruba muslim. Your saliva and words says it all.

You are only creating what does not exist, sorry your brand of the gospel is not selling and will not sell

julietm123:
You think God will come from heaven to fight your battles. There are decision you as a Christian need to make to uphold your religious right. I hope you know turkey which is perfect example was once a Christian nation. It's this same carelessness, non chalance and political correctness that brought them where they are today.
I never thought in this nation we I mean Christians and Muslims will ever fight over the educational curriculum, but it happened even recently. If you really are a Christian, I would say let's be wise.

The weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty thru God to the pulling down of strongholds. You are not talking as a spirit filled Christian, how has the educational curriculum we were fighting for help to make better Christians over the years. We are fighting g the wrong battles bruv

Alcatraz005:
OMG, what is goke talking about? I am now convinced that you would never see things from my view. I have stated my mind and the target audience has seen it. I leave you to your conscience.

I leave you to your conscience too, all your views are what has been expressed over the years and still doesn't sell among many true Christians ok?

Alcatraz005:
Goke, you are a reasonable man but you are being selfish in this discussion. The way I write, does it cross your mind that I am an illiterate? I have all the skills to be what I want to be in the 21st
Century. What you are not getting is that there is apprehension in the minds of so many Christians that they would be islamised. Do you know how scared an average Christian is when it crossed his heart that we have Islamic extremists amongst us? How do you think an erratic character like Donald Trump won the 2016 US elections? It was the fear of the Christians for Muslims who had been emboldened by Barack Obama's pro Islamic policies.

Likewise, the resurgence of state backed religious violence in the North and now all over Nigeria is making millions of Christians afraid. You are talking of tapping into IT and leaving politics. I dare state that anybody that leaves politics to others will pay dearly for it.

You might call me a bigot but whenever I see a girl with hijab, I get scared because she might have a bomb there. This is the genuine fear of Christians worldwide and it is nobody's fault but the adherent of the other faith. They have not done much to curb terrorism. The reason why FFK, Fayose and NK are so powerful is because they speak to protect the rights of so many millions of Christians in Nigeria who have suffered esp under this government. The present administration has shown clearly that it is pro north/Islam and people have the right to be suspicious and apprehensive.

I would vote a Fayose over Pastor Yemi Osinbajo any day as I know that Fayose would be radical in protecting my faith. It is the way Donald Trump would win a 2nd time even if he keeps bumbling in the White House.

so you can be islamised? and you need someone in aso rock to protect your faith. Sorry Then you have no Faith In God. heb 11.6, He that cometh to God must believe He is a rewarder of them that diligently seek Him.

I don't need anyone in aso rock to protect my faith as my life in christ is hid in God. To be a christian no be by mouth but grounded faith in the Lord Jesus. Do you really believe in Jesus? Faith and Politics do not mix, this is where we are getting it wrong bruv

IJOBA2:
CHAI

by forming illegal security outfits or throwing sticks on armored tanks or waving flags of an illegal entity?

True self determination is being innovative for true development, whatever is going on in the SE all in the name of self determination na wash

Alcatraz005:
I realize my message has hurt a lot of my people. The truth must be said notwithstanding. The hallmark of omoluabi is the entrenchment of internal democracy. We must disagree to agree and that is why we are the most progressive tribe in the nation. We must not capitulate to feudalistic forces who seek to use religion to enslave us. At least we know we can contain the igbo but this other people are much more fierce warriors who prevail by conquest. Evidence abound about their exploits which our fore fathers resisted with all they had. We must not fail to demand and obtain a workable system that favors all.

Eternal vigilance is the price for freedom. There is a palpable fear that half of our population might compromise on our freedom. This is not about a ploy to divide us. Just a call for vigilance.

your concerns are appreciated but if God be for us, who can be against us, why must we live in fear if we truly believe in God.

IJOBA2:
CAN YOU SWEAR WITH YOUR GREAT GRAND FATHERS GRAVE THAT YOU ARE A CHRISTIAN GUY WE UNDERSTAND UNA DIVIDE AND RULE TACTICS... ITS A COMMON THING AMONG MUSLIMS. REMEMBER THAT BUHARI SENT NORTHERN GOVERNORS TO GO AND MAKE PEACE WITH THE IGBOS AFTER KILLING THEM VIA OPERATION PYTHON DANCE IM TOO EDUCATED TO FALL FOR MUSLIMS ANTICS

Christians don't swear o, it's against our Faith in the Lord Jesus, and pls think more about your life moving forward in this era of Information technology which is changing our world, the world is talking about data analytics and how it can be used to solve economic problems and even security problems. Let's stop thinking backwards, if the igbos were thinking more about their innovations in technology, they won't allow a riffraff like kanu to bring sorrows tears and blood to their land. All these northern brouhaha won't add any economic value to our being ok?

Be smart bruv, only backward thinking people think about war, trouble and who is pursuing them all over the place, when are we going to develop?

Alcatraz005:
I would ignore your accusations for now. I urge all the Yorubas who have been attacking me to go see our brother Coloneldrake's lamemtations about the behavior of most yorubas to the hegemony of the North on the thread thanking Yorubas and the SS for their Support. It totally sums up what I have been trying to say.

oga elections are around the corner so we are used to these tales by moonlight, keep trying but you see yorubas are too politically conscious to fall for these religious bunkum, God rules in the affairs of men and no man whether Christian or muslim can play God to determine anybody's fate you hear. I think we should talk or debate on more important matters like Economic development, Informational technology, have you heard about Digital transformation? that's what we young guys should talking more in these days of advanced technology. Only primitive minds takes matters like yoruba muslims and christians too seriously, we can't develop that way and our society will remain poorer you know.

IJOBA2:
GOKE7 IS NOW A CHRISTIAN

oh you thought I was an atheist ba?