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vooks:
Good post Gombs.
Can you give examples of WRONGLY honoring God's ministers?

Or, could you tell me if any of these is right;
1. KNEELING before them while addressing them with your head bowed
2. Calling them my lord
3. Ministers DEMANDING on 'honor' such as being addressed as daddy,mum....and publicly rebuking those who don't
4. Literally kissing their feet/shoes
5. Removing shoes in their presence
6. Washing their feet
7. Defining honor as agreeing with their EVERY word, doctrine


Cc Winsomex,ayoku777,esere826,Image123,MarkMiwerds

if they (MenOG) demand for it, then it's wrong...otherwise, i see nothing wrong with any of it. It is not necessarily an act of worshiping the MOG if anybody does that... what if they were lead to, for example, weep at the foot of their pastor?

psucc:
I beg to differ with you on the underlined paragraph.

Ok

Honouring men of God will not translate to standing up in ovation for them.

Where you you see me write the above bold.. Even at that, what's wrong in standing in ovation for them? But it's OK to send in Ovation for WizKid or Beyonce?

They are according to the Scripture 'servants' whose master is our Lord and Saviour.

Ok.. No doubt they were or are servants... But out of several examples in the Bible of Ruth, Mary Magdalene, abigail, David etc that bowed face to the ground as reverence to Servants of God, I find this striking

1Sa 28:14
And he said unto her, What form is he of? And she said, An old man cometh up; and he is covered with a mantle. And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground, and bowed himself.

Was Saul wrong to have perceived? Was Samuel not a servant of God?

Reverence for them is more than that but may not exclude observing and practicing those words they say.

https://www.nairaland.com/2430755/disregard-all-messages-social-media

OP, kindly help your ignorance...

Thanks to all those who refused the claims of the OP... God bless you all abundantly.

https://www.nairaland.com/2430755/disregard-all-messages-social-media

Help your ignorance OP

And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which labour among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you; And to esteem them very highly in love for their work’s sake. And be at peace among yourselves (1 Thessalonians 5:12-13).

There’re truths in the Word of God for us to discover and apply in our personal lives; otherwise, you’ll never walk in the blessings they bring. One of them is honouring those whom God has set above you, and are responsible for your spiritual growth.

Some people, however, because they lack understanding of the scriptures, get offended when we do certain things in the wisdom of God, to honour God’s ministers. For example, when a man of God walks into a place and people stand in honour and reverence, some people blurt, "Why should they all stand up; is he Jesus?" No, He’s not Jesus, but he represents Him.

Understand that the respect accorded the minster of God is the reason his words, his message and the blessings that he gives, stay with you. No wonder Jesus said in Matthew 10:40-41, "He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me. He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet’s reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man’s reward." So, be smart to know that when you honour a man of God, you aren’t doing it for a man, but for the Lord.

If the people of the world would stand up in honour, when the president of their nation, whom they voted into office, walks in, why then should anyone complain when similar honour is done a man sent by God? That’s resenting the Lord unknowingly.

The man of God, unlike the president of any nation, has been given the mandate to strengthen, inspire and edify God’s people in the Word and therefore, deserves greater honour. 1 Timothy 5:17 says, "Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine."

1 John 5:1 says, "Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him." If you love Jesus, you’ll love those that He sends. Don’t join scoffers to malign or resent those that God has sent to bless and nurture you in the Word.

Honouring God’s Ministers · Saturday, July 11

Pastor Chris

And we beseech you, brethren, to know them which labour among you, and are over you in the Lord, and admonish you; And to esteem them very highly in love for their work’s sake. And be at peace among yourselves (1 Thessalonians 5:12-13).

There’re truths in the Word of God for us to discover and apply in our personal lives; otherwise, you’ll never walk in the blessings they bring. One of them is honouring those whom God has set above you, and are responsible for your spiritual growth.

Some people, however, because they lack understanding of the scriptures, get offended when we do certain things in the wisdom of God, to honour God’s ministers. For example, when a man of God walks into a place and people stand in honour and reverence, some people blurt, "Why should they all stand up; is he Jesus?" No, He’s not Jesus, but he represents Him.

Understand that the respect accorded the minster of God is the reason his words, his message and the blessings that he gives, stay with you. No wonder Jesus said in Matthew 10:40-41, "He that receiveth you receiveth me, and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me. He that receiveth a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet’s reward; and he that receiveth a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man’s reward." So, be smart to know that when you honour a man of God, you aren’t doing it for a man, but for the Lord.

If the people of the world would stand up in honour, when the president of their nation, whom they voted into office, walks in, why then should anyone complain when similar honour is done a man sent by God? That’s resenting the Lord unknowingly. The man of God, unlike the president of any nation, has been given the mandate to strengthen, inspire and edify God’s people in the Word and therefore, deserves greater honour. 1 Timothy 5:17 says, "Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine."

1 John 5:1 says, "Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him." If you love Jesus, you’ll love those that He sends. Don’t join scoffers to malign or resent those that God has sent to bless and nurture you in the Word.

Prayer...
Dear Father, thank you for showing me the essence of honouring those you’ve ordained to nurture me spiritually. I express my love and reverence for you as I honour and follow their divine counsels. Thus, your blessings rest upon me, in Jesus’ Name. Amen.

further study:
Hebrews 13:7;

1 Corinthians 15:33

1 Year Bible Reading Plan: Acts 21:1-16 Job 25-28

2 Year Bible Reading Plan: Luke 8:11-18 Joshua 7

He'll Make Up For Lost Time - Friday, July 10th .

Pastor Chris

I’ll make up for the years of the locust, the great locust devastation—Locusts savage, locusts deadly, fierce locusts, locusts of doom....(Joel 2:25 MSG).

If you ever find yourself in a quagmire, or in some unpleasant situation, don't fret or think that you're helpless. Don't say, "This is my worst time in life!" Christ lives in you, and that's what matters.

He's the restorer of wasted years, time, resources, money, energy, etc. He'll make up for lost time. No human being or government may ever be able to give back to you what you've lost, but God can! He's the God that "quickens the dead", that is, gives life to the dead. He can bring back everything, and more!

He can restore peace and order back to your life; you need not fret or be dismayed. Mark 4:37-41 tells a story of how the disciples set their sail, and the winds became boisterous and waves billowed into the boat to sink it. They were really in a fix. But Jesus was at the back of the boat, sleeping. Startled at the ravaging storms and billowing waves, the disciples woke Him up and said, "Master, don't you care that we perish?"

Jesus woke up and gave the word, "Peace, be still", and there was a great calm. It made no difference how strong the tempest was; what mattered was that the Master was in their boat. Same way, Christ is in you today, and by His Spirit, He'll cause you to be triumphant and laugh your way through life.

Stick to the Word; even when you think time isn't in your favour to accomplish certain things, don't push the panic button! Keep your composure; the God who lives in you is the owner of time. He can restore wasted years, months, weeks, days, hours, minutes, seconds, and even wasted moments. He can move you a hundred paces forward, far ahead of your competitors, detractors and adversaries. Halleluiah!

Confession...
By the power of the Holy Spirit, I'm making progress, far ahead of my competitors, detractors and adversaries. I'm guided by the Holy Spirit, who also has made my life beautiful and made me the testimony of God's righteousness and grace, in Jesus' Name. Amen.

Further Study:
Job 42:10
And the Lord turned the captivity of Job, when he prayed for his friends: also the Lord gave Job twice as much as he had before.

Psalm 126:1-3
When the Lord turned again the captivity of Zion, we were like them that dream. 2 Then was our mouth filled with laughter, and our tongue with singing: then said they among the heathen, The Lord hath done great things for them. 3 The Lord hath done great things for us; whereof we are glad.

Daily Scripture Reading

1-Year Bible Reading Plan: Acts 20:17-38, Job 22-24

2-Year Bible Reading Plan: Luke 8:1-10, Joshua 6

Know The Scriptures For Yourself - Thursday, July 9th .

Pastor Chris

And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified (Acts 20:32).

The Apostle Paul wrote some very inspiring, but instructive words to Timothy, a young man who was nurtured in spiritual things from childhood: "And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus" (2 Timothy 3:15).

Notice the striking thought: the scriptures are able to make you wise! Paul pointed this out to young Timothy. If the scriptures were able to make Timothy wise, they're able to make anyone who imbibes them wise; they'll impart to you the wisdom that's consistent with the salvation of God, not the wisdom of this world.

Now, the word "salvation" as used above encompasses everything that God has done for us, and granted us in Christ Jesus. These include healing and health, success, salvation from sin, all-round prosperity - physical, spiritual, material, financial, and mental - a life of righteousness and dominion, etc. As you study and learn God's Word, the wisdom to deal wisely in the affairs of life, and appropriate these and other benefits of salvation into your life, will function in you.

If the Holy Scripture is able to make you wise, and is profitable for doctrine, reproof, and instruction in righteousness, won't it be excellent to study it? So, study and know the Scriptures for yourself. 2 Timothy 2:15 says, "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth". Study the Word meditatively, and the Holy Spirit will illuminate your spirit with amazing revelations.

2 Timothy 3:16 says, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness". Through the scriptures, you acquire a peculiar way of life; your spirit is cultured in a certain direction; you develop the mind-set of the righteous.

Prayer...
Dear Father, I thank you for giving me the Holy Scriptures, for they're able to make me wise unto salvation. As I diligently study and meditate on your Word today, I'm established and seasoned, to correctly analyse, accurately divide, rightly handle, skilfully teach, influence and affect the lives of others with the Word, in Jesus' Name. Amen.

Further Study:

Acts 17:11
These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

Mark 12:24 And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?

2 Timothy 2:15 (AMP)
Study and be eager and do your utmost to present yourself to God approved (tested by trial), a workman who has no cause to be ashamed, correctly analyzing and accurately dividing [rightly handling and skillfully teaching] the Word of Truth.

Daily Scripture Reading

1-Year Bible Reading Plan: Acts 20:1-16, Job 19-21

2-Year Bible Reading Plan: Luke 7:36-50, Joshua 5

Look To Jesus - Wednesday, July 8th .

Pastor Chris

Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith...(Hebrews 12:2).

The Gospel is about what Jesus already did for you and in you. He died a vicarious death for you, and was raised back to life for your justification - now you've been declared righteous. All He's asking of you now is to fix your gaze on these realities in His Word; accept what He's done. Don't look at yourself; look at Him; He's the author and "perfecter" of your faith.

If you trust in yourself, you could be overwhelmed by all your perceived shortcomings and inadequacies, but in Him, you've been made perfect. Colossians 2:10 says, "...ye are complete in Him...." You were perfected in Him the moment you were born again. Therefore, see yourself in Him; look to Him, for He's your life, your glory, excellence, wisdom, dominion, righteousness and strength! As you accept these legal realities, they become vitally resultant in your spirit.

When the Israelites were tormented by poisonous snakes in the desert, with many of them dying from the snake bites (Numbers 21:6), God commanded Moses to make a brazen serpent, and raise it on a pole. Then He said, "Whoever is bitten and looks at it will live". Moses did exactly that and told the people. Anyone who was bitten by a serpent only had to look at the serpent of brass, and as they did, they lived (Numbers 21:9).

Now, that serpent on the pole was symbolic of Christ hanging on the cross. The Bible says, "And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life" (John 3:14-15). He's light and life personified. So, keep your focus on Him, and you'll never walk in darkness or death. Look away from every distraction, unto Him! If you've been distracted by sickness, poverty, failure, etc., look away from all of that unto Jesus, and see your prosperity, health, victory, and dominion.

The Greek expression for the phrase "looking unto Jesus" in our opening verse actually means, "Looking away unto Jesus". That means take your eyes away from everything else, and set your gaze on Him: don't turn to the left or to the right. See yourself in the light of His Word only.

Prayer...
Dear Father, thank you for the vicarious death of your Son, Jesus and His glorious resurrection which has ushered me into the divine and glorious life. I recognize and fix my gaze on the finished works of Christ; therefore, I live the transcendent life of glory, in Jesus' Name. Amen.

Further Study:
Hebrews 12:1-2
Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, 2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Daily Scripture Reading

1-Year Bible Reading Plan: Acts 19:8-41, Job 15-18
2-Year Bible Reading Plan: Luke 7:18-35, Joshua 3-4

*unfollows thread

^^
Yeah... Right...

Jesus is talking to you In Matthew 7:5 NLT

Hypocrite! First get rid of the log in your own eye; then you will see well enough to deal with the speck in your friend's eye.

I'd take you seriously when you use "I", and "my", rather than "we" and "our"

Be Hospitable And Kindhearted - Tuesday, July 7th .

Pastor Chris

Let love for your fellow believers continue {and} be a fixed practice with you [never let it fail]. Do not forget {or} neglect {or} refuse to extend hospitality to strangers [in the brotherhood—being friendly, cordial, and gracious, sharing the comforts of your home and doing your part generously], for through it some have entertained angels without knowing it (Hebrews 13:1-2 AMP).

Being hospitable and kindhearted is an indication of the God-nature in you. Jesus said, "Treat others as you want them to treat you" (Luke 6:31 TLB). Kindness isn't so much what we do for ourselves, but what we do for others. Have a determination to show someone kindness which only God can repay.

The Christian life is a life of love freely given us of God. That love makes you think of others and accept them just as they are, even when it seems they don't deserve it. We're even admonished to be loving and kindhearted to strangers. Some people don't treat strangers right. Once they don't care about you, and wouldn't want to help. But the scripture says we shouldn't be forgetful to entertain strangers, for by so doing, some have entertained angels unawares.

Several times in scriptures, angels appeared as normal human beings, dressed in regular outfits like everyday people. For example, the Bible says three men appeared to Abraham in Genesis 18:2. One of them was the Lord, while the other two were angels. When the two angels went into Sodom and Gomorrah, the men of those cities saw them as ordinary men because they were just like anybody else. Also, in the New Testament, there were appearances of angels in human form, and today we still have such appearances.

Angels have the authority to appear in a glorified form or in a concealed manner, looking like humans. This is why you must be kind to strangers. Don't hesitate to help strangers, and treat them as well as you would if you knew them; but do so without naivety.

Confession..
I'm full of love, because the love of God is shed abroad in my heart by the Holy Spirit. I'm propelled and inspired by love always; I'm kindhearted, hospitable, and gracious. I manifest the love of Christ to everyone, guided by the wisdom of God, in Jesus' Name. Amen.


Further Study:

Matthew 25:34-35
Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

Hebrews 13:2-3
Be not forgetful to entertain strangers: for thereby some have entertained angels unawares. Remember them that are in bonds, as bound with them; and them which suffer adversity, as being yourselves also in the body.

Daily Scripture Reading
1-Year Bible Reading Plan: Acts 18:24-19:1-7, Job 12-14
2-Year Bible Reading Plan: Luke 7:11-17, Joshua 1-2

sportsmaster:
I am not really happy to say this,but this must be said,Most of us on this section,despite our Knowledge of the Word and our depth of revelation,we still do somethings that "baby" christians do and we ought to correct them.


We are gulity of posting irreleveant topics,profane threads e.g
someone posted about "Horus is not Jesus christ and can never be",despite his knowledge of God's word he should know that things like that are not relevant,all these things are simply distractions.

"WE ARE TO STICK TO THE WORD".


Infact I will start listing names,
OLAADEGBU:- I respect your knowledge of the WORD but I'm shocked and dissapointed in some of your threads,e.g
Hacking/"condemining" some church denominations,comparing Jesus and Mohammed,"If quran is true,Islam is false".
You may be right on these things,infact most of those facts posted are correct but how does that bless and edify growing Christians(Myself inclusive),what do we choose to get carried away by winds of doctrines,We know the Word and we should stick to it.

Scholar8200 you are gulity of samething,malvisguy212,bingbagbo,Joagbaje,WinsomeX,Gombs,Vooks,annyplenty and Many others,You all know yourselves.

"study(Be diligent) to show thyself approved,a workman that need not be ashamed,rightly dividing the word of truth ".
We are to rightly divide the Word of truth and commit and teach the same unto faithful men who are able to teach others.

[size=28pt]It is time for a change,"Our post must be targeted at BLESSING LIVES not amassing views or making Frontpage".[/size]
If only three people read your thread and are blessed, its better than to have a thousand views on a "Profane" thread aimed at hacking/condemning/mocking someone else religion or belief system.
these are times to get back to serious bible study like never before and to teach and minister effectively to others the things that we know and have received.

WE ARE TO STICK TO THE WORD.the message is Christ and Christ alone.

God bless you as you do so.

SELAH.

Firstly, it's rude of you to start this thread, for numerous reasons...but however, I'm gad you did. You suddenly ran out of "edifying topics" in the bible, that you had to create this thread?

I started reading with a wide grin, and intially wanted to ignore you, but i find it hard to believe you'd want to start sounding ike a pharisee. For example, you stated to Ola

you should also be aware that some of your threads do not edify us sportsman as christians a christian,when you are trying to correct other belief systems and doctrines,there is how you go about it.

I had to put it in the right semantics...Ola has been very very instrumental on this section, i don't always agree with him, but you are grossly wrong inn your above assertion. Now, let's look at some of your topics and posts that must have been edifying to "us christians"

https://www.nairaland.com/2384136/all-athiests-guilty

this above topic was really edifying, and before long, atheists started accepting Christ... Maybe you should visit the thread once more.

Well, that said, you also asserted thus;

You dont hack into someone's doctrine and say "YOu doctrine/belief system is wrong",you teach them the WORD and it is now left for them to accept or reject.

I was stunned you accused Ola of such... see this thread.. https://www.nairaland.com/2428501/end-time-study-what-rapture#35511590 by annyplenty... You did not apply the above bold to uyourself, yet you accuse another? see your response to him..

This is a futile attempt,and it wont get anyone saved.
i have told you several times, the Message is Christ and christ alone,No one will get saved from all these.
the Gospel of Christ saves not the mesage of the Rapture.

Rom1:16:-"the Gospel of Christ is the power of God unto salvation".

It is better you stop seeing demonic visions and start peaching Christ

compare it to what you 'advised" Ola here

You dont hack into someone's doctrine and say "YOu doctrine/belief system is wrong",[b]you teach them the WORD and it is now left for them to accept or reject.

How about this thread? https://www.nairaland.com/2426889/misconceptions-baptism-gifts-holy-spirit#35483897

see your reply

none of this is making sense.
Study well before you write articles.

in fact, in the whole thread, you did not teach anything..

Next, this thread by ikemikeobi https://www.nairaland.com/2416311/why-should-proud-catholic#35337047 on why one should be a proud catholic... guess your reply?

By reading your post @ OP, i can BOLDLY and SAFELY say that "Catholics are a set of confused and deluded People"

i did not see you apply your "advise" to Ola in this and many more threads...

You dont hack into someone's doctrine and say "YOu doctrine/belief system is wrong",[b]you teach them the WORD and it is now left for them to accept or reject.

or you did not see your reply above as

aimed at hacking/condemning/mocking someone else religion or belief system.

I can go on and on... The thing is, you just want to seek attention, kinda, you want a 'challenge' with the 'elites'... our elders say "to form craze no dey hard, na the trekking be wahala"

I've been here way longer than you, so has Ola, Jo and some other folks...not that i'm saying it's a criteria for soundness in doctrine of Christ, I'm saying we've seen a whole lot here, and quite naturally should ignore you, for the singular fact that your hypocrisy in this thread is of monumental proportions.

My last line here is, what have you done with the gospel of Christ since you joined NL? Have you raised even one person, who followed your post enough to say "thank you"? Can you show me any thread of yours that had any significant impact on the general discussions on NL religion section?... i can go on and on, and i am not trying to sound like Ola's lawyer, but Ola is light years ahead of you, not that i always agree with him, but because he helped mold NL religion section to what you see today... show some respect!...

if you think it's all about front page, and amassing views, then you must have thought wrong... however, try on your own to get front page materials, or threads thaat can gather great minds to discuss...unti then, ike Paul told Timothy in his first letter chapter four and verse thirteen, i'd urge you too, to give attendance to reading, to exhortation, to doctrine.

God bless you.

Pheeeeeew


The fact they dared the police still give me cramps... I need see the weapons they were with.

Now, this is serious...

toluine56: I like El-Rufai's style which he has been often criticised about.
Non-sentimental The man no send nobody.
I really hope Buhari 'll do same.

https://www.reactiongifs.com/r/rusrs1.gif

Mechie onu gi there, before njiri ura kposa gi nti..

Oyinprince:
Thank you sir, I also got the annoying messages.

The most annoying was the link someone sent yesterday

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Bible/NIV/niv-gay-satan.htm

foks sha

And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven (Luke 10:18).

It's unfortunate that some people don't believe there's an adversary called Satan, the devil. Some people don't even want to talk about him; they say, "There's no devil", trying hard to convince themselves in their delusion. Jesus didn't deny the existence of Satan, though He emphasized his defeat and our triumph over him.

Satan is real; he's a spirit being. He's not an illusion as some believe; he's a personality; an evil personality. He was an angel, according to the Bible, but he fell from grace and became the devil.

God didn't create a devil. He made an angel called Lucifer, son of the morning. However, through pride, he lost his position, was overthrown, and became the devil. So, Satan does exist; the Bible says he moves from one place to another: "And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it" (Job 1:7).

Although he has his demons running rampage all over the place, Satan isn't everywhere at the same time; he's not omnipresent, and doesn't know everything. To counter him, the Bible says you're to resist him steadfastly in the faith (1 Peter 5:8-9). That's how you keep him on the run (James 4:7). As long as you operate in faith, Satan cannot withstand you; you're superior to him.

When Jesus defeated Satan in hell, you were in Him. In Christ, you defeated Satan and his cohorts of hell. Now, you're seated with Christ in the heavenly realms, far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come (Ephesians 1:21). So, Satan is under your feet. Though he's not an illusion, he's not a factor in your life.

ify84:
kjv is the problem

Nope...the translators were.

I got some troubling messages on my whatsapp about the NIV, I could not but wonder at the gullibility of some of us, and how some folks can use the social media to disseminate wrong information. see similar thread below

https://www.nairaland.com/2429689/see-why-may-stop-reading#35540783


Well, there are a list of Bible verses in the New Testament that are present in the King James Version (KJV) but absent from some Bible translations completed after the publication of The New Testament in the Original Greek in 1881 and the later Novum Testamentum Graece (first published in 1898 and revised many times since that date).

These editions of the Greek text took into account early manuscripts of the New Testament which had not been available to translators before the 19th century, notably those of the Alexandrian text-type .

The verses are present in the New King James Version , published in 1979, as well as the New American Standard Bible , though for most verses these translations include footnotes indicating doubts about their authenticity.

Most modern textual scholars consider these verses interpolations , or additions by later authors, but exceptions include advocates of the Byzantine or Majority Text and of the Received Text .

When a verse is omitted, later ones in the same chapter retain their traditional numbering. Apart from omitted entire verses, there are other omitted words and phrases in some modern translations such as the famous Comma Johanneum.

In particular these specific verses you quoted are not in the New International Version (NIV) main text. For some of the verses, there is a possible reasoning for "omission".

Note: In the New International Version, those verses are absent from the main text, but have been translated for inclusion in the footnotes(fn).

NIV is generally in agreement with the Nestle-Aland editions of the Greek New Testament which relegate such verses to the margin.

Update: The NIV2011 no longer has some of the verses that were included in footnotes in the 1984 and previous versions of the NIV.

For example
Matthew 17:21
KJV: Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.

NIVfn: But this kind does not go out except by prayer and fasting.

NIV2011fn: Some manuscripts include here words similar to Mark 9:29.

I think we ought to find out reasons for some things we do not understand, especially in the Bible.

Isn't it strange that Pastor Chris Oyakhilome, Pastor Kumuiyi, Pastor E. A. Adeboye etc still uses the NIV in their devotionals? We can't claim they were ignorant of the fact some texts were missing (used in footnotes)

As many that may have believed the message some of us help spread , for example, shredding their NIV, me thinks we need correct the error of that message. Some people will build an ideology about the NIV, whereas there was no need for it.

As for publishers, those guys are a publishing company, and can publish as much books as they like.

For example, LWPM publishes the ROR Bible, a KJV Bible... If LWPM suddenly starts publishing x rated books, will you call KJV devilish and blasphemous?

Let's be cautious... Not being babies tossed to and fro by every wind of doctrine.

Amen

Stop helping the devil spread his propaganda.

cc
Ishilove
Lalasticlala

Really? stop reading the NIV?
This is a simple matter... It's not just NIV, and there's a reason for thst

There are a list of Bible verses in the New Testament that are present in the King James Version (KJV) but absent from some Bible translations completed after the publication of The New Testament in the Original Greek in 1881 and the later Novum Testamentum Graece (first published in 1898 and revised many times since that date).

These editions of the Greek text took into account early manuscripts of the New Testament which had not been available to translators before the 19th century, notably those of the Alexandrian text-type .

The verses are present in the New King James Version , published in 1979, as well as the New American Standard Bible , though for most verses these translations include footnotes indicating doubts about their authenticity.

Most modern textual scholars consider these verses interpolations , or additions by later authors, but exceptions include advocates of the Byzantine or Majority Text and of the Received Text .

When a verse is omitted, later ones in the same chapter retain their traditional numbering. Apart from omitted entire verses, there are other omitted words and phrases in some modern translations such as the famous Comma Johanneum.

In particular these specific verses you quoted are not in the New International Version (NIV) main text. For some of the verses, there is a possible reasoning for "omission".

Note: In the New International Version, those verses are absent from the main text, but have been translated for inclusion in the footnotes(fn).

NIV is generally in agreement with the Nestle-Aland editions of the Greek New Testament which relegate such verses to the margin.

Update: The NIV2011 no longer has some of the verses that were included in footnotes in the 1984 and previous versions of the NIV.

For example
Matthew 17:21
KJV: Howbeit this kind goeth not out but by prayer and fasting.

NIVfn: But this kind does not go out except by prayer and fasting.

NIV2011fn: Some manuscripts include here words similar to Mark 9:29.

I think we ought to find out reasons for some things we do not understand, especially in the Bible.

Isn't it strange that Pastor Chris Oyakhilome, Pastor Kumuiyi, Pastor E. A. Adeboye etc still uses the NIV in their devotionals? We can't claim they were ignorant of the fact some texts were missing (used in footnotes)

As many that may have believed the message some of us help spread , for example, shredding their NIV, me thinks we need correct the error of that message. Some people will build an ideology about the NIV, whereas there was no need for it.

As for publishers, those guys are a publishing company, and can publish as much books as they like.

For example, LWPM publishes the ROR Bible, a KJV Bible... If LWPM suddenly starts publishing x rated books, will you call KJV devilish and blasphemous?

Let's be cautious... Not being babies tossed to and fro by every wind of doctrine.

Amen

Stop helping the devil spread his propaganda.

Satan Is Not An Illusion - Monday, July 6th .

Pastor Chris

And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven (Luke 10:18).

It's unfortunate that some people don't believe there's an adversary called Satan, the devil. Some people don't even want to talk about him; they say, "There's no devil", trying hard to convince themselves in their delusion. Jesus didn't deny the existence of Satan, though He emphasized his defeat and our triumph over him.

Satan is real; he's a spirit being. He's not an illusion as some believe; he's a personality; an evil personality. He was an angel, according to the Bible, but he fell from grace and became the devil.

God didn't create a devil. He made an angel called Lucifer, son of the morning. However, through pride, he lost his position, was overthrown, and became the devil. So, Satan does exist; the Bible says he moves from one place to another: "And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it" (Job 1:7).

Although he has his demons running rampage all over the place, Satan isn't everywhere at the same time; he's not omnipresent, and doesn't know everything. To counter him, the Bible says you're to resist him steadfastly in the faith (1 Peter 5:8-9). That's how you keep him on the run (James 4:7). As long as you operate in faith, Satan cannot withstand you; you're superior to him.

When Jesus defeated Satan in hell, you were in Him. In Christ, you defeated Satan and his cohorts of hell. Now, you're seated with Christ in the heavenly realms, far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come (Ephesians 1:21). So, Satan is under your feet. Though he's not an illusion, he's not a factor in your life.

Confession...
Thank you Father, for I know that the devil and the cohorts of hell have been defeated, paralyzed, and rendered completely powerless. I have been given the authority and made superior to them in Christ! Now, I walk in my victory over Satan, sin, sickness, disease and death! Blessed be God!

Further Study:
James 4:7
Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Daily Scripture Reading
1-Year Bible Reading Plan: Acts 18:1-23, Job 9-11
2-Year Bible Reading Plan: Luke 7:1-10, Deuteronomy 34

Jamean:
Mark 16:15
And he said to them, go ye into all the world and preach the word to all creatures.

Now, this is a commandment to believers.

I John 5:3
For this is the love of God that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

We win souls out of the love we have for God, knowing that he loved us first.
Compulsion sounds like a word attributed with force and strict authority.

Everything about salvation and Christianity is born out of love.

Very apt and concise. Thanks

I'm amazed at such ignorance... Meeehn OP

Get a carton... Neatly keep them. They'd serve as a memorial someday.

tpiander:
Let's not derail the thread

Seconded.

Atheists should please stop trying to derail this thread. Adults acting like kids, leaving topic to throw personal jabs at the OP.

Attack the message and not the messenger...

That said, I don't think the verse was trying to say the antichrist will be gay, in fact Daniel 11:36-45 is a prophecy of the destruction of the final Greek dynasty–the Ptolemies and a judgment of Rome as well.

For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek (Romans 1:16).

As a Christian, preaching the Gospel isn't something you choose to do or not to do; you're called to a life of soul-winning; it's your primary responsibility on earth. 2 Corinthians 5:18 says God has reconciled us to Himself by Jesus Christ, and has given to us the ministry of reconciliation. The ministry of the Gospel has been committed to your trust. So, fulfil your ministry in the Gospel.

All that a man needs to do, to partake in all that Jesus has made available, is to believe the Gospel. The power of the Gospel only works for those who believe: "For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation" (Romans 10:10). But then, the Bible says in Romans 10:14: "...how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?" Titus 1:3 tells us that God has in due time manifested His Word through preaching, which is committed to us as a commandment, as an instruction. Preaching the Gospel is your solemn responsibility.

Your commitment to the Lord must reflect in your dedication to the preaching of the Gospel. Paul the Apostle was emphatic in his commitment to the Gospel; he said in 1 Corinthians 9:16 (MSG) "If I proclaim the Message, it's not to get something out of it for myself. I'm compelled to do it, and doomed if I don't!" Preaching the Gospel isn't something you do because it's convenient; it's required of you; it's your number one Kingdom responsibility. Therefore, be faithful in it: "Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Christ, and stewards of the mysteries of God. Moreover it is required in stewards, that a man be found faithful" (1 Corinthians 4:1-2).

Soul Winning - A Compulsion - Not A Choice! - Sunday, July 5th .

Pastor Chris

For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek (Romans 1:16).

As a Christian, preaching the Gospel isn't something you choose to do or not to do; you're called to a life of soul-winning; it's your primary responsibility on earth. 2 Corinthians 5:18 says God has reconciled us to Himself by Jesus Christ, and has given to us the ministry of reconciliation. The ministry of the Gospel has been committed to your trust. So, fulfil your ministry in the Gospel.

All that a man needs to do, to partake in all that Jesus has made available, is to believe the Gospel. The power of the Gospel only works for those who believe: "For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation" (Romans 10:10). But then, the Bible says in Romans 10:14: "...how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?" Titus 1:3 tells us that God has in due time manifested His Word through preaching, which is committed to us as a commandment, as an instruction. Preaching the Gospel is your solemn responsibility.

Your commitment to the Lord must reflect in your dedication to the preaching of the Gospel. Paul the Apostle was emphatic in his commitment to the Gospel; he said in 1 Corinthians 9:16 (MSG) "If I proclaim the Message, it's not to get something out of it for myself. I'm compelled to do it, and doomed if I don't!" Preaching the Gospel isn't something you do because it's convenient; it's required of you; it's your number one Kingdom responsibility. Therefore, be faithful in it: "Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Christ, and stewards of the mysteries of God. Moreover it is required in stewards, that a man be found faithful" (1 Corinthians 4:1-2).

Prayer...
Dear Father, I thank you for the Gospel of Christ that's committed to my trust, and and through which I've been made your righteousness in Christ Jesus. I declare that testimonies of salvation abound today, all around the world, as the Gospel is preached and received gladly, in Jesus' Name. Amen.

Further Study:
2 Corinthians 5:18-19
And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; 19 To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

2 Corinthians 3:6
Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

Mark 16:15-16
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

Daily Scripture Reading
1-Year Bible Reading Plan: Acts 17:16-34,
Job 6-8

2-Year Bible Reading Plan: Luke 6:39-49,
Deuteronomy 33

Yooguyz:
Stop quoting scriptures out of context, the bible never talked about the orientation of the anti-christ. I guess this is another hate thread towards people of orientation like us.

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Is it that you can't read or something?

Listen To Him In Your Spirit!
- Saturday, July 4th .

Pastor Chris

And Jacob awaked out of his sleep, and he said, Surely the LORD is in this place; and I knew it not (Genesis 28:16).

Is it possible for the Lord to be present in a place, talking to you, and you wouldn't know it? Emphatically yes! It happened to Jacob; he only realized he'd been in God's presence after he had a dream in which he saw the angels of God descending and ascending into heaven on a ladder. Then he said, "...Surely the LORD is in this place; and I knew it not" (Genesis 28:16). It still happens today.

Sometimes we say, "The Lord is in this place", and some people don't know what we're talking about; they begin to look around for some smoke, fire or other "spectacular" sign of His presence; no! He doesn't always announce Himself that way.

Once, Elijah needed to hear from God, and the Bible says, "...behold...a great and strong wind rent the mountains, and brake in pieces the rocks before the LORD; but the LORD was not in the wind: and after the wind an earthquake; but the Lord was not in the earthquake: And after the earthquake a fire; but the LORD was not in the fire: and after the fire a still small voice. And it was so, when Elijah heard it, that he wrapped his face in his mantle..." (1 Kings 19:11-13).

Elijah apparently expected God to manifest Himself in the wind, earthquake, and fire, but He didn't; instead, He showed up in a still small voice. That's typical of how the Lord leads us today through His Word and the Holy Spirit; He guides us from within, in your spirit. Your spirit bears witness with the Word as He counsels and instructs you from within. Proverbs 20:27 says, "The spirit of man is the candle of the Lord..."; that's where the light of God is; that's where He guides you from - not through the senses.

Don't wait to "feel" or experience some physical manifestation first, no; His Word in your spirit is all you need. Listen for His voice in your day-to-day activities; listen to Him in your spirit, for He addresses His Word to your spirit.

Confession..
I'm sensitive to the leading and guidance of the Spirit always, because I'm yielded to the Word. I bless the Lord, for His wisdom and counsel in my spirit, and His light with which I live! Glory to His Name forever! Amen.

Further Study:
Isaiah 30:21
And thine ears shall hear a word behind thee, saying, This is the way, walk ye in it, when ye turn to the right hand, and when ye turn to the left.

Psalm 16:7
I will bless the Lord, who hath given me counsel: my reins also instruct me in the night seasons.

Daily Scripture Reading

1-Year Bible Reading Plan: Acts 17:1-15,
Job 3-5

2-Year Bible Reading Plan: Luke 6:31-38,
Deuteronomy 32

Speak The Word...Speak Wisdom!

Friday, July 3rd .

Pastor Chris

Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual (1 Corinthians 2:12-13).

Part of the ministry of the Holy Spirit in your life is to help you discover your heritage and inheritance in Christ Jesus. Then, as He unveils them to you, you're expected to speak them: "...Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth". Notice that it didn't say, "which things also we speak of"; rather, it says we speak them. Just like it says in 1 Corinthians 2:6, "Howbeit we speak wisdom"; we don't talk about wisdom; we speak wisdom, and wisdom is the Word of God.

There're many who "speak of" wisdom, but don't speak wisdom; they can write books on wisdom, but they don't speak wisdom. Speaking wisdom is speaking the Word. For example, the Word says you're a partaker of the divine nature (2 Peter 1:4); that's the wisdom of God. Therefore, when you, on the basis of that scripture, declare, "I'm an associate of the God-kind; a partaker of His grace, glory, and expression of His righteousness", you're speaking wisdom.

When you declare, "All my needs are supplied according to God's riches in glory by Christ Jesus", despite inflation, recession, and global economic meltdown, you're speaking the wisdom of God. When you say, "I have the life of God in me; I live in divine health twenty-four hours a day", in spite of the pain you may be feeling, you're speaking wisdom.
People may jeer or mock at you for speaking the wisdom of God, but always remember that the wisdom of God is incongruous with the world's system. When you make it a practice to always speak the wisdom of God, you'll be misunderstood by many, especially those who are ruled by the senses, but don't let it deter you. Declare what the Word says concerning you, irrespective of the situation.
Declare your righteousness, health, dominion, and oneness with the Lord with boldness. Speak the wisdom of God always and your life will glorify God.

CONFESSION
The wisdom of God is in my heart and in my mouth today! God's Word is as fire shut up in my bones; and as I speak, I dissolve doubts; I'm prevailing and reigning in life by grace through righteousness, and the glory of God is seen and expressed through me, in Jesus' Name. Amen.
Further Study: ||

1 Corinthians 2:6-8
Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: 7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: 8 Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. ||

Hebrews 13:5-6
Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee. 6 So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me. ||

Daily Scripture Reading
1-Year Bible Reading Plan: Acts 16:16-40, Job 1-2

2-Year Bible Reading Plan: Luke 6:20-30,
Deuteronomy 31

onetrack:
Show me where it is forbidden in the Bible (like adultery and homosexuality are).

are you a pedophile?

well...the bible let's us know God made sex for adults...Adam and Eve... Bible said He made them MAN and WOMAN not boys and girls. Though the bible did not expressly condemn sex with children, it doesn't however mean it endorses it. like maaasturbation and smoking... does the fact that the bible says nothing about them, means they are right?

..BTW, are you a muslim?

Live By Heavenly Principles - Thursday, July 2nd .

Pastor Chris

If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit (Galatians 5:25).

Being born again, we live in two worlds contemporaneously: the natural world and the spiritual world. Some Christians have an understanding of the natural world and its principles of operation, but they're yet to understand the spiritual world and its principles.

The Lord Jesus made it clear that though you're in this natural world, you're not of this world; you were born into God's realm when you were born again. You have to be conscious of, and learn how to function in, that realm. It's a realm of glory; a realm that's beyond time and space. It's the realm of the miraculous.

Referring to this spiritual realm, Jesus declared, "...I am from above..." (John 8:23). He minced no words about the fact that He lived in two worlds. In John 3:13 He said, "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, EVEN THE SON OF MAN WHICH IS IN HEAVEN" (John 3:13); He was referring to Himself. You would have expected Him to say, "Even the Son of man which was in heaven", but He didn't! Rather, He said, "...which is in heaven...", because He lived in two worlds.

Just as there're activities we carry out in the natural world, there're activities in the spirit world as well. In the spiritual world, we live by the Word of God through the power of the Holy Spirit. We see with the eyes of the spirit. We live by heavenly principles; we dominate this physical world with the principles of our heavenly kingdom.

Refuse to condescend to the earthly level of life or reasoning. There's a life to be lived in the spirit realm. Let that become clear to you, and function accordingly! You'd be amazed at the glory of God that'll be manifested in your life as you walk in the Spirit.

Prayer....
Dear Father, I thank you for the unveiling of the mysteries of the Kingdom to my spirit. I live by the Word and function by the power of the Holy Spirit; therefore I subdue my world. Thank you, for my life is ordered according to your perfect will, and your glory is revealed in me, in Jesus' Name. Amen.

Further Study:
Romans 8:6
For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

1 John 4:17
Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.

Daily Scripture Reading
1-Year Bible Reading Plan: Acts 15:36-16:1-15, Esther 8-10
2-Year Bible Reading Plan: Luke 6:12-19, Deuteronomy 30