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 Christianity Etc › Re: Give Your 'Tithes' And Offerings To The Less Fortunate In Church by Goshen360(m): 10:18pm On Mar 03, 2013 |
I'm still jogging and warming up at the sidelines for second rounds, coming up with more expository teachings. You know I don't argue, I teach scriptures in context  |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Give Your 'Tithes' And Offerings To The Less Fortunate In Church by Goshen360(m): 8:39pm On Mar 03, 2013 |
@ Bidam, do you agree the levitical priesthood is ABOLISHED  |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Give Your 'Tithes' And Offerings To The Less Fortunate In Church by Goshen360(m): 8:03pm On Mar 03, 2013 |
See Bidam quoting without saying anything meaningful.  |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Give Your 'Tithes' And Offerings To The Less Fortunate In Church by Goshen360(m): 6:27pm On Mar 03, 2013 |
Yvete: Interesting argument. Way to Go Hassymo5, Goshen and frosbel!As you are set free from tithe captives, remember your weak brethren. Let them see Hebrews 7 and do study with them, let them be free to Grace based giving ONLY |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Give Your 'Tithes' And Offerings To The Less Fortunate In Church by Goshen360(m): 6:21pm On Mar 03, 2013 |
@ Miss Ope, Don't be confused. When we talk about the law, it is ALL OF GOD but the dispensation at which God uses it is what is meant by the phrase - of Moses, of Christ, of Spirit etc. Christians are not under the law (of Moses) but under the law (of Christ) by the Spirit of life in Christ. That is what Frosbel is trying to communicate. If you are going keep the law (of Moses), you must keep ALL 613 laws or result to cures. I can't do detailed explanation cos I'm using my phone now. I would have you scriptures also to support what I say. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Give Your 'Tithes' And Offerings To The Less Fortunate In Church by Goshen360(m): 6:04pm On Mar 03, 2013 |
Bidam: It is rather sickening and pathetic that this kind of doctrines of demons always makes the front page..it is rather disheartening that those who do not know God and those who claim they know God(false believers) always are quick to raise "airs" making wrong comments and rubbishing the redemptive package of Christ..hell has indeed enlarge her coast and is wide open for frosbel and his supporters to enter.Galatians 2:4 in New Living Translation is your answer. Someone help me quote it please because I'm using my phone. It's YOU and your tithe teaching folks that are teaching Christians to obey and follow JEWISH REGULATIONS. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Give Your 'Tithes' And Offerings To The Less Fortunate In Church by Goshen360(m): 5:26pm On Mar 03, 2013 |
Miss Ope: Bro but sin is simply d breaking of d law.... Maybe u meant to say evil and not sin..There are different kinds of laws - of Moses, of Christ, of Spirit of life and of God. Which law are you referring to ma? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Give Your 'Tithes' And Offerings To The Less Fortunate In Church by Goshen360(m): 5:13pm On Mar 03, 2013 |
frosbel2: I was banned for 2 days for calling the Pope the Anti-ChristThey cannot stop your mouth even if they ban your I.D. The anointed one, Christ and his anointing is IN YOU by the Spirit of God. Imagine scripture saying you (One) shall Chase A THOUSAND and imagine when 10 or more join you, how many shall we chase? God is raising the people of truth and fearless breed without greed that will chase falsehood out of the body of Christ. In the old, it was Pharaoh that kept God's people, the Israelites, who are a type of the church in the New testament under bondage. In the New, it is LIES, HERESY AND FALSEHOOD that keeps God's people in bondage. God sent Moses to set the free in the old but in the new, it is TRUTH that God sent to set them free. This truth is embedded in Christ because john 1:17 says, Grace and TRUTH came by Jesus Christ....and Jesus said, the TRUTH shall SET YOU FREE. 3 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Give Your 'Tithes' And Offerings To The Less Fortunate In Church by Goshen360(m): 3:45pm On Mar 03, 2013 |
frosbel2: Bro, we should be talking about the Tithe as an obsolete concept , only applicable to the old testament.....and ONLY applies to Jews, National Israel, NOT COMMANDED TO CHRISTIANS (THE CHURCH) IN THE NEW TESTAMENT. RATHER, HEBREWS 7 IN CONTEXT PUTS AN END TO TITHING. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Give Your 'Tithes' And Offerings To The Less Fortunate In Church by Goshen360(m): 3:23pm On Mar 03, 2013 |
Godseagle: read the Malachi 3 vs 7-10 to know the effects of not paying Tithes. Thanks [color=] read the Malachi 3 vs 7-10 to know the effects of not paying Tithes. Thanks [/color] read the Malachi 3 vs 7-10 to know the effects of not paying Tithes. ThanksTHERE IS NO NEW TESTAMENT CHRISTIAN THAT IS EVER CURSED FOR NOT TITHING. You know why? Malachi 3 tithing is according to the law of tithing that was established in the Mosaic law carried until the death of Christ. The death and resurrection of Christ put the New Testament into effect and ended curses of the law because Christ himself became the curse...of the law and in exchanged BLESSED EVERY CHRISTIAN IN CHRIST. New International Version (©1984) Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree." New Living Translation (©2007) But Christ has rescued us from the curse pronounced by the law. When he was hung on the cross, he took upon himself the curse for our wrongdoing. For it is written in the Scriptures, "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree." - Galatians 3:13 King James 2000 Bible (©2003) Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: - Ephesians 1:3 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Give Your 'Tithes' And Offerings To The Less Fortunate In Church by Goshen360(m): 3:14pm On Mar 03, 2013 |
Godseagle: Pls read Matthew 23 vs 23 to know that Jesus also preached about Tithe.King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.) Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Matthew 23:23 Extract Who was Jesus talking to? Answer - scribes and Pharisees Who are these scribes and Pharisees? Answer - hypocrites. Are these people Christians? Answer - NO What tithe does these people pay? Answer - of mint and anise and cummin What is this tithe of mint and anise and cummin based on? Answers - matters of the law Are Christians still under the law of Moses? Answer - NO Did Jesus say, "these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone"? Answer - YES! Why, Jesus was still under the law of Moses and had not died to effect the New Covenant. He cannot contradict the law in order to fulfill it. Christ's death and resurrection ENDED the law of Moses. So, the tithe practiced in Matthew 23:23 is still MATTERS OF THE LAW...of Moses. So also is Malachi 3 10 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Give Your 'Tithes' And Offerings To The Less Fortunate In Church by Goshen360(m): 3:06pm On Mar 03, 2013 |
alexleo: I give my tithe and i have a most wonderful career, good health and a blessed family.Question sir, who are those that were COMMANDED TO TAKE\COLLECT TITHE IN THE BIBLE Levites or Aaron the priest and does such people still function among the ministry gifts in the body of Christ today? Waiting for answer please. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Give Your 'Tithes' And Offerings To The Less Fortunate In Church by Goshen360(m): 3:01pm On Mar 03, 2013 |
But wait o, less I forget. Has your pastor ever told you that you can also eat your tithe? I bet they will not show you scriptures that you can eat the tithe. If tithe is money, how do you eat money, assuming its money Lemme show you that you can eat your tithe, it was crops and animals then, that's why it says eat it.22“You must set aside a tithe of your crops—one-tenth of all the crops you harvest each year. 23Bring this tithe to the designated place of worship—the place the Lord your God chooses for his name to be honored—and eat it there in his presence. This applies to your tithes of grain, new wine, olive oil, and the firstborn males of your flocks and herds. Doing this will teach you always to fear the Lord your God. 24“Now when the Lord your God blesses you with a good harvest, the place of worship he chooses for his name to be honored might be too far for you to bring the tithe. 25If so, you may sell the tithe portion of your crops and herds, put the money in a pouch, and go to the place the Lord your God has chosen. 26When you arrive, you may use the money to buy any kind of food you want—cattle, sheep, goats, wine, or other alcoholic drink. Then feast there in the presence of the Lord your God and celebrate with your household. 27And do not neglect the Levites in your town, for they will receive no allotment of land among you. 28“At the end of every third year, bring the entire tithe of that year’s harvest and store it in the nearest town. 29Give it to the Levites, who will receive no allotment of land among you, as well as to the foreigners living among you, the orphans, and the widows in your towns, so they can eat and be satisfied. Then the Lord your God will bless you in all your work. - Deuteronomy 14:22-29 Where is the place the Lord chose to be brought the tithe to - The temple in Israel. The temple was destroyed in 70AD. Today, we Christians, our body is the temple of God where God dwells, no longer in building. Who are the Levites? The temple workers that assist the priest Aaron. We do not have Levites in the body of Christ anymore. If at all, tithe is to be practiced biblically, it is church workers - choirs, ushers etc that should collect\take it and give tenth part to pastors. Since, the temple is in Jerusalem and had been destroyed and we are now the temple of God - The verses say, I should eat my tithe converted to money (meaning, it was not originally money) since Jerusalem is too far, I may sell the tithe portion of my crops and herds, put the money in a pouch, and go to the place the Lord your God has chosen. When I arrive, I may use the money to buy any kind of food I want—cattle, sheep, goats, wine, or other alcoholic drink. Then feast there in the presence of the Lord your God and celebrate with your household. So God must be telling me to use my tithe money to drink ogogoro.... But honestly, I don't like ogogoro o so I will just buy me some nice stuff like fish barbecue and celebrate with my household....lo ba tan. 6 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Give Your 'Tithes' And Offerings To The Less Fortunate In Church by Goshen360(m): 2:36pm On Mar 03, 2013 |
alexleo: I am not suprised to see this in front page because Jesoul is against tithing and manmustwac being an atheist may not also be in support of that hence the smooth sail of this frosbel false teaching to the front page. SATAN SEEMS TO BE WINNING HIS BATTLE OF PLANTING FALSE DOCTRINE IN CHRISTIANITY BUT GOD WILL NOT ALLOW HIM.What is false teaching about this? Show us where the Apostles taught tithing to the early church other than giving from the heart and in keeping with one's income, sharing among believers. TITHING FOR CHRISTIANS IS FALSE TEACHING AND HEBREWS 7 PUTS AND END TO IT. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Give Your 'Tithes' And Offerings To The Less Fortunate In Church by Goshen360(m): 2:33pm On Mar 03, 2013 |
zoelife: Hmmm. Prepping to do a thorough exegesis on this ever controversial subject of tithes, offering and Prosperous preachers. God will grant me the ability.May God give you the strength. We will be here to fellowship with you. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: @Goshen360: Justification - A Discourse I'd Like You To Consider. by Goshen360(m): 2:26pm On Mar 03, 2013 |
Okay. We will begin digging this subject of Justification this week. Are y'all ready. I can see our brother moredendisc and Ihedinobi warming up with our sister ATMC, getting ready to jump in. Y'all welcome. First, we need to understand what justification means or is, then we can fly. Justification is NOT sanctification and NOT Glorification. All three are distinct one from the other. The question that then follow AFTER understand what each means is, how are we justified? Justification is a legal declaration of being declared not guilty. It is a pronouncement of being cleared the guilt. When one is justified, he is declared right before the Lord; he is pardoned and cleared of any violation. It speaks of a declaration that gives us, Christians a right standing before God. It is a one time event involving an imputed righteousness of Christ in which we, although we are sinners, are pronounced "not guilty" of sin as in a court of law. We are cleared of any charges against us. Christ's sacrifice means he was punished in our place, satisfying the demands of the law, and God's justice upon sin. New International Version (©1984) Therefore, since we have been justifIED through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, - Romans 5:1 King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.) Much more then, being now justifIED by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. - Romans 5:9 Sanctification on the other hand, is a continuous process that conforms us through the work of the Holy Spirit into the image of Christ whereby we separate ourselves unto Christ's service. Sanctification commences with our justification. Hence, the fruit of the Spirit is evidence in our sanctification. New International Version (©1984) But we ought always to thank God for you, brothers loved by the Lord, because from the beginning God chose you to be saved through the sanctifying work of the Spirit and through belief in the truth. - 2 thess. 2:13 Glorification. This is the completion of our Christian life on earth, at the end of the sanctification process and occurs when we get to Heaven. The completion of our Christian walk IN Christ is to be glorified, which is the end result of our salvation and it is future glory of the believer IN Christ. New International Version (©1984) And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified. New Living Translation (©2007) And having chosen them, he called them to come to him. And having called them, he gave them right standing with himself. And having given them right standing, he gave them his glory. - Romans 8:30 |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings by Goshen360(m): 1:50pm On Mar 03, 2013 |
Image123: oh i see that the divisive spirit inside frosb has forced him to open another thread where he feigns ignorance of anything explained here, and manipulating people by saying tithes is for widows. And the circle continues, absolute madness. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Give Your 'Tithes' And Offerings To The Less Fortunate In Church by Goshen360(m): 1:41pm On Mar 03, 2013 |
Please, get your bible and let's read\study together to see how God commanded biblical tithing to be done. And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Thus speak unto the Levites, and say unto them, When ye take of the children of Israel the tithes which I have given you from them for your inheritance, then ye shall offer up an heave offering of it for the LORD, [even] a tenth [part] of the tithe. And [this] your heave offering shall be reckoned unto you, as though [it were] the corn of the threshingfloor, and as the fulness of the winepress. Thus ye also shall offer an heave offering unto the LORD of all your tithes, which ye receive of the children of Israel; and ye shall give thereof the LORD'S heave offering TO AARON THE PRIEST. - Numbers 18:25-28 KJV The commandment to take tithe I showed you from Hebrews 7:5 was established here. To who? To Levites. Who are Levites in the Old covenant of Mosaic law? THEY ARE THEY TEMPLE WORKERS THAT WORKS WITH THE PRIST, AARON UNDER THE MOSAIC SYSTEM. There is no more Levites in the body of Christ, what we have is ministry gifts such as pastors, teachers, Apostles etc BUT if we are to translate this instructions\commandment in Numbers 18 into our modern day Christianity, THE LEVITES WILL BE THE CHURCH WORKERS - USHERS, SUNDAY SCHOOL TEACHERS, CHOIRS, CLEANERS, TRAFFIC CONTROLLER ETC ETC AND THE PRIEST, LIKE AARON WILL BE THE PASTORS ETC Look and pay attention to the instruction in Numbers carefully. God doesn't speak in KJV languages, God speaks SPECIFICALLY. The instruction is LEVITES TAKES THE TITHE AND OUT OF THE TITHE THEY COLLECTED, THEY GIVE TENTH PART OF IT TO AARON. So, if tithe is to be practiced today, it is the church workers that are to collect it and give tenth part to pastors......I know your pastor will NOT like me for this but this is the Bible truth. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Give Your 'Tithes' And Offerings To The Less Fortunate In Church by Goshen360(m): 1:21pm On Mar 03, 2013 |
Many Christians don't know the Malachi 3 verses that pastors use to coerce them into parting with 10% of their income is NEVER written or addressed to Christians. This is NOT to mean Christians should not give - Christians are to give to the advancement of the Gospel in WHATEVER THEY HAVE AND CHEERFULLY. This is what brings blessings on you as Christians. Malachi 3:9-10 was addressed to the priests who were stealing God's tithe. Pastors lift that verse out of context to apply it to Christians. Study Malachi in context (it doesn't take up to 1 hour) and you will understand it wasn't talking to Christians. God was rebuking Israel and later in Chapter 2, Malachi 2:1, And now, O ye priests, this commandment [is] for you. AND Malachi 3:3 still mentions "sons of Levi". It was to the "O ye priests" of Malachi 2:1 that was carried into chapter 3. God wasn't addressing the Church of Jesus Christ. Again, the tithe teaching to the church is religious scam in the body of Christ. It is NOT EVEN DONE IN THE BIBLICAL WAY BUT HEBREWS 7 ENDED TITHING. How is biblical tithe done to the people (Israel) it was commanded to? Lemme show you from scriptures. to be continue below 3 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: @Goshen360: Justification - A Discourse I'd Like You To Consider. by Goshen360(m): 5:19am On Mar 03, 2013 |
@ Mr Anony2, I follow up with our brother moredendisc. What do you want us to discuss on the subject of justification. I've listened to the debate. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Give Your 'Tithes' And Offerings To The Less Fortunate In Church by Goshen360(m): 5:11am On Mar 03, 2013 |
Hebrews 7:11 begins to draw a contrast between levitical priesthood being imperfect and the need for another priesthood in the pattern or order of Melchizedek and no longer after the order of Aaron. Hebrews 7:12 mentions when the priesthood (of Levi) is CHANGED, there MUST also be change of the law. The question is what law MUST be changed? It is the entire law governing the Levitical priesthood that is changed. If the priesthood if changed from order of Aaron to order of Melchizedek, this change MUST also necessitate change of law governing the priesthood of Levi\Aaron. Hebrews 7:13-15, the writer makes it clear he was talking about Christ but using the order of Melchizedek to illustrate or drive home his revelation. How do we know this? The context says, Christ descended from the tribe of Judah, not tribe of Levi that operates under the Levitical priesthood. And he says, it is far more evidence that another priest arise after the similitude of Melchizedek, which Christ took after, not after the order of Aaron. Hebrews 7:16 says, "Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life". This is the SECOND use of the word 'commandment' in this context of Hebrews 7. Remember the first was in verse 5 and it was to COLLECT TITHE. This second commandment, we need to know what it is specified for - it is the requirement\condition for being able to serve among the Levitical priesthood - One MUST be from the TRIBE OF LEVI. Otherwise, such cannot serve under the levitical priesthood. That's the essence of the phrase, "WHO IS MADE..." in that context. Therefore, in all, we have the word 'commandment' EQUALS to TWO SPECIFIC INSTRUCTIONS - to take tithe and to be made a Levitical. priesthood. Hebrews 7:18. This is the verse that CANCELS tithing in the New Testament. This is where tithe and tithing ENDED under the covenant of Grace of our Lord Jesus. The verse says, "For there is verily a DISANNULLING of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof". Question: What commandment is disannulled? The writer already used the word 'commandment' to point to TWO specific instructions and he didn't use the commandment in plural for both cases\usage; he used them in singular form, without -s. The third usage of the word 'commandment' is also in singular not plural. Here is what we need to understand. When the law was given to Moses, it was 613 laws contained in the one package called the law (singular) of Moses such as John 1:17, it says law (SINGULAR) was given by Moses. The same applies in this context, the word 'commandment' is taken as ONE or as WHOLE point to two instructions as already used in context. When it says there is verily a DISANNULLING of the COMMANDMENT going BEFORE and the commandment is to TAKE TITHE (verse 5) and TO BE MADE A LEVITICAL PRIESTHOOD (verse 16). The disannullment MUST therefore include COMMANDMENT to TAKE TITHE BY LEVITES AND TO BE MADE A LEVITE because these are the two usage or point to the specific instruction that the commandment does in this context. Some false teachers says, it is ONLY the commandment in verse 16 that is disannulled. I called that false interpretation of scriptures. It CANNOT cancel one commandment and leave the other while it uses commandment (SINGULAR) to mean TWO THINGS or TWO INSTRUCTIONS. This will be wrongly dividing the word of truth. Another question we need to ask those who says it was ONLY the priesthood that was set aside or cancelled is that, if the tithe was commandment to the Levitical priesthood and they say it is the priesthood that is disanulled in verse 18, then does the tithe still remain? The people that the tithe was commandment to be given to are disanulled, it automatically means the tithe itself is disannulled along together with the people (Levitical Priesthood), if that is their argument. There is no logical explanation that those commandment to take tithe is disannulled but the tithe remains. This is abuse of scriptural interpretation. 3 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Give Your 'Tithes' And Offerings To The Less Fortunate In Church by Goshen360(m): 4:12am On Mar 03, 2013 |
First, Hebrews 7 DOES NOT set out to discuss tithing BUT it cut through tithe\tithing to drive home the the SUPERIORITY OF THE PRIESTHOOD OF JESUS OVER THE LEVITICAL PRIESTHOOD. Hence, tithe and tithing becomes a subject to demonstrate that the priesthood of Jesus is greater than the levitical priesthood. This we can understand towards the end of the chapter. Hebrews 7:1 introduces us to Melchizedek who met Abraham returning from slaughter of kings (WAR) and it says Melchizedek blessed Abraham. Hebrews 7:2 says Abraham gave TENTH PART OF ALL to Melchizedek Hebrews 7:3 clearly tells us that Melchizedek is ONLY a foreshadow or type of Christ by using the phrase "made LIKE the Son of God, abideth a priest continually. In this, the writer 'represents' the priesthood of Christ to be Melchizedek but he NEVER said Christ is Melchizedek. Hebrews 7:4, you need to connect back to verse 2 above. Here in verse 4, the writer limits and made clear the TENTH PART OF ALL Abraham gave was limited to SPOILS OF WAR. Hence, there is a difference between what Abraham GAVE and the tithe that was COMMANDED (The Levitical tithe) as we will later study. Hebrews 7:5 says, "And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham" Here's what we need to understand - when God gives a commandment, it is specific. There is a specific commandment here and it is TO TAKE TITHE and this specific commandment is given to SONS OF LEVI, the Levites under the Levitical Priesthood. When we study scriptures, we need to pay attention to details and specific instructions. This is the first use of the word 'commandment' in this context, it is TO TAKE TITHE and specifically given to sons of Levi. No other tribe in Israel or through out the word of God was this commandment to take tithe given to ANY OTHER TRIBE. Hebrews 7:6-7 refreshes Melchizedek blessing Abraham who had the promise of God and Melchizedek is not from the sons of Levi. At this point in Hebrews 7, there're two groups that collects or receives tithe - 1. The sons of Levi from other children of Israel and 2, Melchizedek from Abraham. Hebrews 7:8 records, "And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth". This verse is one of the verses taken out of context by false tithe teachers to mean that it was Jesus that the phrase, "there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth" is referring to. This is gross misinterpratation of scriptures to falsely apply this phrase to Christ. First, up to this point, NOTHING is said about Christ yet. It simply compares the TWO groups that RECEIVES tithe namely, sons of Levi and 2, Melchizedek. The phrase, "there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth" is referring to Melchizedek in context because the writer had told us in verse 3 that Melchizedek because he didn't have death record REMAINS A PRIEST FOREVER, hence it is witness that he (Melchizedek) liveth. Please, don't let KJV confuse you when difficult, I CHALLENGE YOU TO READ MANY TRANSLATIONS especially Amplified and Expanded bible for better understanding of this verse. The men that die refers to the sons of Levi, who also receive tithe from the brethren. Hebrews 7:9-10. This verses SPIRITUALIZED the sons of Levi who have commandment to receive tithe to ALSO pay tithe in Abraham. How? Because Abraham was the patriarch (verse 4) of the children of Israel\Levi and Levi was still IN Abraham when he met Melchizedek. So, if verse 7 told us the one who blesses is greater than he who is blessed and spiritually, Levi was in Abraham. It therefore means, Melchizedek is greater that both Abraham and levi who was IN Abraham. This is how the priesthood of Jesus is keyed into the type and shadow of Melchizedek to be greater than the Levitical Priesthood and Abraham himself. This is the same argument Apostle Paul used when he said, when Adam sinned, EVERYONE SINNED AND DEATH WAS SPREAD TO EVERYONE. And by the sacrifice of Christ, ALL is justified before God - Romans 5:12-21. So, when Abraham gave tithe to Melchizedek, Levi PAID tithe to Melchizedek SPIRITUALLY, not physically or literally because somebody that is still in his father's lions cannot pay tithe physically because he yet to be born. to be continue |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Give Your 'Tithes' And Offerings To The Less Fortunate In Church by Goshen360(m): 3:02am On Mar 03, 2013 |
Okay, I challenge you to confront any pastor, even your pastor after you study the truth here concerning tithe. Tithing as practiced today is a means of religious scam and placing God's people under financial bondage. How do I mean, scripture says, if you must obey the law of Moses, you must obey ALL, otherwise, such person is cursed. So, if you're obeying the law of tithing and not doing other Mosaic law, such person is operating under curse. That's what scripture says in Galatians 3:10, King James 2000 Bible (©2003) For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continues not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. Here is it - Hebrews chapter 7 is the New Testament scriptures that ENDED tithing and the epistle of Apostle Paul is what launches believers into how to be blessed financially. I will show you from scriptures as we study together and allow the Spirit of God to breathe the word in your spirit. I will do a short explanation on Hebrews 7 and we'll study like we ask the Holy Spirit some questions. This is what most of your pastors don't like to go but I'll do it anyway. (to be continue) |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Give Your 'Tithes' And Offerings To The Less Fortunate In Church by Goshen360(m): 2:34am On Mar 03, 2013 |
Okay, I want to use this thread to liberate God's people and set the tithe captives free. How do I mean? Some of you tithe paying church folk have been paying tithe for years and if you will be sincere deep down your heart, nothing has changed. Some of you are still in debt even with tithe paying. Some of you are not living the desired financial life you wanted. Some of you paying tithes are still struggling to meet up your responsibilities that requires money. Let me tell you, God is not a man that He should lie. When God said he will open the windows of heaven in Malachi 3:9-10, he meant it but that was ACCORDING TO THE TRUE BIBLICAL TITHE HE COMMANDED. He even said there will be NO ROOM TO CONTAIN THE BLESSING IF POURED ON YOU. This is how I became grounded in the word of God - I reason scriptures with the God and I ask question in my studies, allowing the Holy Spirit to speak and teach me because God said, "come, let us reason together..." (Isaiah 1:18). Apostles Paul also reasoned scriptures by the Spirit of God, Acts 17:2. Now, why would God say there will not be room for who pay tithe and yet, many are still in debt paying tithe? Many are still struggling financially if you will be honest. Many of you that pays tithe are still borrowing money from friends and families. ALL OF THESE NEGATES THE PROMISES OF GOD TO THOSE WHO PAYS TITHE. It will therefore mean something is wrong somewhere - either we're not doing it right or God is lying but we know, God cannot lie; therefore, it will mean something is not right somewhere. Today, I want to set you free and let you see that God will NOT bless you by paying tithe because the biblical God's tithing IS NOT THE SAME PRACTICED IN CHURCHES TODAY under the New Testament. I want to reveal to you from scriptures how you can be blessed, out of debt and live your desired financial life WITHOUT TITHING. First, you need to know that God cannot bless people by tithing because God ENDED tithing. So, how do you expect to be blessed by what God NO LONGER COMMANDED FOR THE NEW TESTAMENT CHURCH? (to be continue) 2 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Give Your 'Tithes' And Offerings To The Less Fortunate In Church by Goshen360(m): 12:03am On Mar 03, 2013 |
Still jogging and warming up at the sideline....waiting to set the tithe captives free.... When religion and false teachers say pay tithe and them needy come show up, they will say...I have already given my tithe to God through the church but o heard our Lord say, if you do it to these ones, you do it to me. 5 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Give Your 'Tithes' And Offerings To The Less Fortunate In Church by Goshen360(m): 10:39pm On Mar 02, 2013 |
One CANNOT but LOVE Frosbel. 3 Likes |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Leecher Preachers by Goshen360(m): 7:11pm On Mar 02, 2013 |
Joagbaje, where do you want us to exclusively air the truth? You forget this is pubic forum and audience are mixed. Even if it were to be Christian forum exclusively, how do you expect the whole internet audience to be Christians only. This is not church gathering and even in church gatherings, you dont expect all to be Christians without one single unbeliever. Also, when a preacher is talk to television audience, you can't say the whole audience must be Christians even if such preacher rebukes or corrects Christians in his preaching. You are simply hiding under the veil of scriptures to avoid open exposure of falsehood within the body of Christ. Our house needs clean up sir. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Leecher Preachers by Goshen360(m): 5:14pm On Mar 02, 2013 |
| @ logicboy. Suggest your solution and let's see. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings by Goshen360(m): 5:10pm On Mar 02, 2013*. Modified: 5:50pm On Mar 02, 2013 |
I will later expose the lies of those who use 1 Corinthians 9:13-14 to 'insert' tithe into the words of Apostle Paul. If they are saying Apostle Paul meant tithe in that context, without mentioning the word tithe; will that mean if I go preaching the gospel, doing evangelism, I should collect tithe? After all, I'm preaching the gospel. If I preach the gospel on nairaland, I should collect tithe?....because it says those who preach the gospel should live by the gospel? So everyone that goes on preaching the gospel (in villages, in the buses, in schools, anywhere etc etc) should collect tithe? Is that what Paul is saying? If we go preaching the gospel to sinners, we should collect tithe from them for preaching the gospel to them? Is that what Paul is saying? Apostle Paul is not of those that peddles the gospel for profit. I will expand more during the week. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Leecher Preachers by Goshen360(m): 4:48pm On Mar 02, 2013 |
Joagbaje had been trying over the years to use emotions mixed with scriptures to shut the mouth of those who expose falsehood within the body of Christ, forgetting it's more dangerous to peddle with heresy within the body than outside the body. Our household needs clean up and God is raising the new breed of Berean church to challenge and carefully examine whatever the religious leaders had erroneously passed down to the church of God. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Pictures of Hilarious Church Posters by Goshen360(m): 3:55pm On Mar 02, 2013 |
musKeeto: ^^^^^ Goshen360: I'm Goshen360 and I ENDORSE this message.[quote author=m-ployer]Goshen ma pastor, I think u got it wrong dis time. Dat muskeeto guy is not referring to Christians bound by religious doctrines. He views Christianity as a form of bondage.[/quote] musKeeto: Goshen knows I'm an atheist. He's also aware that though I mock Christianity and Christians on most occasions, I'm usually not bothered about your beliefs as long as you realise they're personal. You won't catch me preaching 'atheism' to you.@ m-ployer, A call to National clean up has NOTHING to do with whether you're a Christian or Muslim or Atheist - Hence, I endorsed the message of musKeeto, that's what he called out for. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Tithes And Offerings by Goshen360(m): 3:47pm On Mar 02, 2013 |
frosbel: Go and get a JOB , stop living off the poor people and those who work like donkeys to feed their families and make two ends meet.I'm Goshen360 and I ENDORSE this message of the KINGDOM! |
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