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Those who go for deliverance ARE NOT CHRISTIANS. They might be 'church -goers' BUT NOT CHRISTIANS. I do not say that to condemn anyone but CHRISTIANS ARE ALREADY DELIVERED IN THEIR NEWNESS OF LIFE IN CHRIST. You attend deliverance week in week out, what happened to the first deliverance session you attended. Christianity is NOT giving your life to Christ, Christianity is CHRIST GIVING HIS LIFE TO YOU AND YOU LIVING THE LIFE OF CHRIST....."I came, that they may have life and have it more abundantly"....In him was life; and the life was the light of men. John 1:4....I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. - Galatians 2:20

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Goshen360: Goshen360:

Na eim you never still understand comprehension passage and context .....especially Hebrews 7 and your Matthew 23:23. If you're asked to answer grammatical context of Matthew 23:23 that, who was Jesus talking to in the grammatical context of Matthew 23:23 Oya, what will your answer be

This is your answer below,

Image123: and what should be done to Matthew 23:23? Are we to discard it rabbi?

See, as I dey laugh you in Hebrew-Greek. Okay, First kweshion - What should be done to Matthew 23:23. The answer is LEAVE IT IN ITS ORIGINAL CONTEXT TO WHOM IT IS ADDRESSED TO AND STOP APPLYING IT TO THE CHURCH OF GOD EXCEPT YOU ARE NOT PART OF THE CHURCH BUT SCRIBES AND PHARISEES.

Are we to discard it Rabbi? I have answered - leave it in context to those it was addressed to except you're among those it was addressed to. Hence, we don't discard it BUT it wasn't addressed to the Church of the Living God. It's an insult to the Grace of our Lord and the church, the body of Christ to 'indirectly' refer us to scribes and pharisees by apply Matthew 23:23 to us and the Grace of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Repent!

Zikkyy: Image123 said he is a pharisee some time back. This your question too strong. Pharisee no dey answer strong questions you will observe anything Jesus harrass them they will walk away in shame, i expect image123 to do the same

I can't even see the bros viewing this topic again o.....your words are true, man of God. Image123 don run away o .

Image123: i wonder why you reached that conclusion. I'm showing you that one has to make some distinctions in life. For instance, you can't say we're all one in christ and disregard your elders and parents, or marry your sister or a man because there is no male or female, Jew or Greek. Observe the context and allow the wisdom of God to be profitable in directing you. Giving alms to the needy is not the same as bringing an offering to God's house. They are both good and should both be done, not substituted to one another. You can't worship me or pray to me for instance, give to God the things that belong to God.

Oh, Bros don show face again Oga Ade, I need you to answer the grammatical context of Matthew 23:23....who was Jesus talking to in that context. Church or Scribes/Pharisees Don't tell me you don't understand grammar as used in context o in order to escape or twist this holy kweshion o

Boomark: What else do you want to fulfil in the law when Christ has already fulfilled it?

Abeg teach them elementary bible knowledge o. They will begin dey twist answers soon. watch out!

Viewing this topic: Bidam, Boomark(m), Zikkyy(m), Goshen360(m)

Una dey see 'church' wey say him dey go 'church' o Abi una don finish 'church' ni? Abi na 'church' una dey view tithe thread from Chei, tithe no make some people concentrate again o Abi 'church' don return from 'church' ni

Zikkyy: So the needy is now dogs abi? just because i gave them the money you want me to dash pastor, ehn image123 pastor is now child of God while the needy in church and outside can be considered dogs you see yourself [size=20pt]you see what greed can do to your reasoning[/size] pastor and needy members of congregation no dey the same level again?

in Hebrew-Greek translations.

Image123: oga na grammar dey cause misunderstanding, and na misunderstanding dey cause division, sect and denomination.

Na eim you never still understand comprehension passage and context .....especially Hebrews 7 and your Matthew 23:23. If you're asked to answer grammatical context of Matthew 23:23 that, who was Jesus talking to in the grammatical context of Matthew 23:23 Oya, what will your answer be

Image123: It pleased them to give. It's a little different from the twist "they gave AS it pleased them". Be careful with the distortion, [size=20pt]and reflect on Matthew 23:23.[/size]

I know say you'll never go beyond Matthew 23:23 because E BE LIKE SAY you be part of the SCRIBES and PHARISEES wey Oga Jesus dey talk to na..... . Scribes and Pharisees ARE NOW THE CHURCH of GOD

Image123: i dey here na, you no see me? are you no more enjoying bidam my brother's company? He's capable of handling all the darkness here with his light, don't you think? i answered your pikin's copy and paste and he almost died.Don't send weaklings to me please, send me honest people ehn or come in person.

You! I can't but love you naw. Abi wetin you think? So my anointed challenge don call you to come back abi?

Me think he wasn't talking to Nigerians but cracking jokes saying, "me no get time....as being said in Nigerian way. That's all I hear, nothing else.

Bidam: Yes...Faith through Christ is the word and that was why i said it is a spiritual principle that connects us back to the first man(Adam)..remember i said God uses natural acts of obedience on earth to connect us to heavenly blessing and purpose...and i still believe that things like marriage, worship,clothing,tithing, humanLLPgovernment, and other foundations all have their beginnings in the Book of Genesis.

Bidam, nobody here is arguing whether tithing or giving IS NOT A SPIRITUAL PRINCIPLE OR NOT. The point here is, IF THE PRIESTHOOD (of those commanded to TAKE TITHE) CHANGES, and scriptures says THE LAW ALSO MUST CHANGE. The question you asked was, what law was it that MUST CHANGE? You need not go to far, read with the context of Hebrews 7, that law includes the requirement for priesthood + commandment to TAKE TITHE ACCORDING TO THE LAW, verse 5 + every other law regulating the priesthood.

It is very clear change of priesthood EQUALS CHANGE OF THE LAW - THE ENTIRE LAW. You agree the priesthood is CHANGED but you don't agree the PERCENTAGE OF OUR GIVING IS CHANGED TO ANYTHING AS A MAN PURPOSE IN HIS HEART. You still argue the percentage MUST be 10. There's nothing like that in the New testament bro.

@ Bidam,

You have been quoting "levi paid tithe IN Abraham..." Hebrews 7:9. Did you read the next verse in context? Did Levi PAID TITHE PHSYICALLY, LITERALLY

New Living Translation (©2007)
For although Levi wasn't born yet, the seed from which he came was in Abraham's body when Melchizedek collected the tithe from him. - Hebrews 7:10

The spiritual meaning is like that of the same argument that when Adam sinned, we all sinned because the whole human kind was IN Adam - That is what is called rabbinical hermeneutics or exegesis. So also, when Christ did a redemptive work on Calvary, we are ALL made righteous IN Christ. Whatever Christ did is what made us who we are as Christians IN CHRIST, NOT BY FLESH ACCORDING TO THE WORKS OF ABRAHAM BUT BY FAITH IN CHRIST. Levi was Abraham's seed ACCORDING TO THE FLESH, we are ABRAHAM'S SEED ACCORDING TO FAITH THROUGH CHRIST.

Bidam: look @ what Apostle paul taught "don't you know that those who work in the temple(levites) get their food from the temple, and those who serve at the altar (priests) share in what is offered on the altar? In the same way, the Lord has commanded that those who preach the gospel should receive their living from the gospel. That was why i said the principle never changed...it was only the priesthood that did change.

Here you quoted 1 Corinthians 9:14 and paralleled it with the Old Testament Levites and Priests. The first question to you is, do you or your tithe teaching pastors practice today's tithing you paralleled with 1 Corinthians 9:14 according to or AS SPECIFICALLY COMMANDED IN THE LAW OF MOSES Look at how is was commanded in the LAW of MOSES,

And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Thus speak unto the Levites, and say unto them, When ye take of the children of Israel the tithes which I have given you from them for your inheritance, then ye shall offer up an heave offering of it for the LORD, [even] a tenth [part] of the tithe. And [this] your heave offering shall be reckoned unto you, as though [it were] the corn of the threshingfloor, and as the fulness of the winepress. Thus ye also shall offer an heave offering unto the LORD of all your tithes, which ye receive of the children of Israel; and ye shall give thereof the LORD'S heave offering to Aaron the priest. - Numbers 18:25-28

There you have it! The Levites gets the tithe and give TENTH PART of the tithe to Aaron the priest. Now, if you are telling us that what Paul was saying is SPECIFICALLY THE OLD TESTAMENT TITHING, then it will mean the in today's context, it is the workers like ushers, choirs, sunday school teachers, etc etc that will be the today's levites while the pastors will be the priest. So the workers gets the tithes and give tenth part to the pastors. NO

Two. When that scripture in 1 Corinthians 9:14 said "Even so has the Lord ordained that they who preach the gospel should live of the gospel". Your problem is you don't study in order to rightly divide the word of truth. Now, you need to go back to where the Lord ordained and gave the instruction that those who preach the gospel should live of the gospel and tell whether it means PEOPLE SHOULD TITHE TO THOSE WHO PREACH THE GOSPEL or it means something else. Now, here is where the Lord ordained those who preached the gospel should live of it,

New International Version (©1984)
Stay in that house, eating and drinking whatever they give you, for the worker deserves his wages. Do not move around from house to house. "When you enter a town and are welcomed, eat what is set before you. - Luke 10:7-8

Again, DID YOU READ THE MENTION OF TITHE (10% of income) OF THOSE THAT WELCOMES YOU TO PREACH THE GOSPEL TO THEM IN THIS CONTEXT. It simply says "WHATEVER THEY GIVE YOU" - This is further narrowed down to CHEERFUL GIVING OF THE PEOPLE WE'VE BEEN HAMMERING ON, IT IS A GIVING BASED ON GRACE AND WHOLE HEARTEDNESS. The Lord (Jesus) did NOT SPECIFICALLY mentioned tithing and Paul DID NOT MENTION TITHING ALSO.

Three. You said those who work in the temple are levites...and those who serve at the altar are priests. In the New Testament, do we have Levites and Priest AMONG the ministry gifts? Are Levites and priest among what Christ gave to the CHURCH in Ephesians 4:11? Need you be reminded that ALL Christians are NOW made kings and priests unto God?

Four. I AGREE with you that the CONCEPT OR PURPOSE (which you referred to as PRINCIPLE) for which the Old Testament levites and priests were taken care of is what Paul was referring to BUT SINCE THERE'S NO MENTION OF THE WORD "TITHE" IN THAT CONTEXT, and AS PAUL PARALLELED WITH WHAT THE LORD ORDAINED AS I SHOWED YOU IN LUKE, then we must rightly divide the word of truth that SUPPORT FOR THOSE WHO PREACH THE GOSPEL is what is taught by Paul WITHOUT COLLECTING 10% OF PEOPLE'S INCOME BUT AS TO "WHATEVER" THE PEOPLE GIVE TO THOSE WHO PREACH THE GOSPEL.....as seen in Luke.

Five. Your whole argument in 1 Corinthians 9:14 is flawed from your same argument in Hebrews 7:12. If you are saying what 1 Corinthians 9:14 is saying is that IT MUST BE BY TITHE that those who preach the gospel should live by, THEN WHAT HAPPENS WHEN HEBREWS 7:12 SHOWS UP......THERE MUST ALSO BE CHANGED OF LAW ALSO. The law MUST change from receiving tithe to SOMETHING ELSE. What it has CHANGED TO is WHATEVER THEY GIVE YOU which is Grace based giving so God can bless those who receive the gospel.

Bidam, Bidam....I dey feel your groove o. But wait for me....I dey come The ONLY thing I beg of you is, please stay with this thread because your other colleagues has vacated even the one that started the tithe thread. But make sure you still till the end so we/I can expose you properly.....

Christianity (not Judaism) is NOT a LAW (of Moses) you can keep, it's a LIFE (of Christ) you can live.

Glory to God!

Bidam: what is the difference between laws and principles?

Did God called tithe A LAW or A COMMANDMENT or A PRINCIPLE Which one please. I ready for you now o. And please, give scriptures for your answer

debosky: Una no dey tire sha?

I would understand if it was a new set of people getting involved in the debate, but the same set of people saying the same set of things is simply pointless.

Make una continue sha...nothing do una.

My brother, no be we anti tithers dey cause wahala o. Na tithe teachers dey always start tithing topic to make us Christians follow Jewish regulations to enslave us.

frosbel: These are the people that need your tithes not the church ..

Bidam: this tithing issue is making you to talk nonsense...i said tithing is a spiritual principle. you are the one making it a law.

Bidam: i said no one is pointing a gun to your head to tithe...free will..pls go back and read my post.

It's called TRADITIONS OF MEN.

Bidam: Is marriage and worship irrelevant? Like i said earlier and still say now tithing predates the law.

The tithing that pre dates the law, WAS IT A COMMANDED TITHE OR NOT? Hen.7:5 records a tithe THAT WAS COMMANDED. Was the tithe that pre dates the COMMANDED

Bidam: i said it has a spiritual connotation....well that is the prob.. of casting pearls like this before swines.

You know the 'spiritual connotation' I tell you the spiritual connotation - it means, by ONE MAN, SIN ENTERED THE WORLD AND DEATH BY SIN. But, by ONE MAN, ALL ARE SET FREE.

By your very own interpretation, it will mean 'law tithe' received by Levi was also paid IN ABRAHAM hereby SPIRITUALIZED IT IN ABRAHAM AND MAKING IT ONE. Therefore, if one is cancelled, the other is also nullified. NO

Zikkyy: This also applies to the poster that clicked 'like' for that particular post. am suspecting Ola..or my good friend, image123

Over the years as I looked CAREFULLY into the 'institutionalized' church gathering. I came to conclusion there're many things to up-root from that institutionalized gathering - 1. Ignorance 2. Unbelieve 3. Disbelieve.

The most dangerous is disbelieve - This is as a result of erroneous and wrong teachings which church folk have 'traditionalized' and they won't let go even at the glaring face of the truth and sound doctrine. Imagine someone telling people "levi paid tithe in Abraham" and yet, he doesn't even understand the meaning of that scriptures in context. Are Christians levites? Do we have levites within the church today?

Assume we say levite still exist. They will mean the 'workers' e.g ushers, choirs, Sunday school teachers etc etc NOT the pastors of our present. In the Old Covenant, the levites will take tithe and confirmed in Heb.7:5 and given 'tenth' part to the priest; the priest will represent pastors of today. The whole argument of tithe is flawed because ALL CHRISTIANS are NOW MADE KINGS AND PRIESTS unto God. What then is this argument that 'levi paid tithe in Abraham'? - such argument is scripturally not balanced.

^^^ Abeg carry your perverted business comot for road make we hear better people talk jor SUGAR Cougar mummy ko, palasa daddy ni

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Nothing do you son. Just saying hi and following thread anyway. Take am easy sha.

Emmmm, Emmmmm, # Clear throat and fix my eye glass @ Obadiah777,

Whatz up son? .....I dey see you. # Run out of thread #

Bidam: don't be puffed up bro..be careful..the Jews are still God's people.. No be me talk am na bible.

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Goshen360: Show us where BOTH JEWS AND GENTILES are [size=20pt]NOW[/size] commanded to tithe [size=20pt]SINCE THEY ARE NOW ONE IN CHRIST UNDER THE NEW COVENANT/TESTAMENT[/size] or remain guilty of twisting scriptures

Bidam: Just like saying where is it written that the christians are commanded not to tithe? "This mystery is that through the gospel the gentiles are heirs together with ISREAL, members together of one body and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus.( eph 3:6).

So as ISRAEL was SPECIFICALLY commanded; The two (Israel and Gentiles) were forgotten to be commanded or instructed UNDER THE NEW COVENANT You can as well tell us to follow Israel to obey sabbath and other Jewish regulations that they still hold unto.

You can then further show us where BOTH JEWS AND GENTILES are NOW commanded to tithe SINCE THEY ARE NOW ONE IN CHRIST UNDER THE NEW COVENANT/TESTAMENT or remain guilty of twisting scriptures

^^^ Do you expect him to answer the question....even with scriptures? Because there's none! But maybe we can wait for him to show his skillfulness (and honesty) in handling the word of truth.

Ishilove:

Look at his smooth,young neck. [size=20pt]No bia bia sef.[/size] Mtchewww.

Kids.

Chei, see as 'strong woman' dey give 'little kid' heavy upper cuts....this kind upper cut MUST grow bia-bia where the bia-bia is missing immediately. This kind upper cut is called 'upper cut to grow bia bia'

# , rolled on the floor and run out of thread