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GraceBestowed: @LogicBoy03

Your post spews out so much anger, because I attributed my healing to God; I will do it over, and over again, because the doctors that saved my life were used by God!

I am a thousand percent certain, and firm in my belief of God, and what He has done for me. Thanks for the well wishes, but I'm happy to stay on this side of the fence.

All His love
:-)

Goshen360: First, you must understand from scriptures there're TWO kinds of lawS - of Moses and of Christ. The law of Moses was given to national Israel, the Jews. The law of Christ was given to Christian being established by Christ while on earth and takes effect AFTER his death for the New Testament church, the body of Christ. Hence, the Bible as a whole is written to the Jews (national Israel), the Gentiles (non Jews) and the church of God (Both Jews and Gentiles who have come to believe in Jesus Christ by faith). God, at these different times and dispensation spoke to people based on what God desires to accomplish on earth at a given dispensation BUT NOW, in this dispensation of Grace and the church, God is speaking to us, Christian or the church THROUGH Christ. (Hebrews 1:1-2) Why? Because, the law of Moses was given to the national Israel to guide them until Christ would come BUT Grace and truth came by Jesus. Now that Christ has come with Grace, there's no more need for the law of Moses. Hence, we say we are under the Grace not under the law (of Moses).

Two, you must understand the law of Moses in order to appreciate the law of Christ. Now, when you study the scriptures, you often find at times the law being referred to as SINGULAR and in another case as PLURAL as in with -s. The law is ONE package taken as a WHOLE when referred to as SINGLE and it is plural when referred to as parts BUT it is still ONE law package given to Moses. For instance,

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
For the law (SINGULAR) was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. - John 1:17

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
And you shall teach them ordinances and laws (PLURAL), and shall show them the way in which they must walk, and the work that they must do. - Exodus 18:20

With the law AS ONE PACKAGE given to Moses, it contains what scriptures called COMMANDMENTS, ORDINANCES, STATUTES, DECREES AND INSTRUCTIONS etc. That's what you will find in the law. Also, commandments, ordinances etc are also sometimes referred to as plural or singular sometimes but will point you to the specific instructions from God.

Now, all that being said to lay a foundation for you, let's go over to the book of Hebrews 7 (I'll like you to read the whole passage and study it yourself to confirm if I speak the truth or lie) where tithing or titheS was abolished. I do not speak for myself but allow scriptures to speak for itself.

Hebrews 7:18 says, "For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.". You might not appreciate or understand this verse until you read many translations. The question every good bible study would like to ask is, WHAT COMMANDMENT is he talking about that is DIS-ANNULLED? Some translations have set aside, cancellation, abrogation, etc. Now, what 'commandment' is cancelled? We don't have to interpret scriptures out of context but within the context.

There're THREE usage of the word 'commandment' with the context of Hebrews 7 before this verse 18 and both usage have SPECIFIC INSTRUCTION they both point to and ALL the THREE usage ARE SINGULAR. One would expect the word 'commandment' to be in PLURAL since it is more than one commandment within the context. But like I said, it is taken AS A WHOLE with the law of Moses. Now, let's go to the reference to the word 'commandment' and the SPECIFIC instructions to it.

1. The first use of 'commandment' is in Hebrews 7:5,

And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:

Now, the COMMANDMENT here in context is SPECIFIC - to take titheS (plural). That means there're more than ONE type of tithe. So we bear in mind that TAKING tithes by the sons of Levi (those who ministers alongside with the priest) is our focus here. You see, the whole lies of tithe is scriptural flawed if carefully studied in scriptures. Under the law of Moses, IT IS NOT THE PRIEST THAT WERE TO TAKE TITHE BUT THE LEVITES. If we're to put the in our present day, the pastors will represent the PRIEST while the church workers will represent the LEVITES. So, the Levites TAKE tithes and give TENTH PART to the PRIEST. If tithe is even to be practiced today, it is the church workers who are to TAKE TITHE and then give TENTH part to PASTOR..... . Can you see the flaws of the false teaching? Lemme show it to you from scriptures.

And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Thus speak unto the Levites, and say unto them, When ye take of the children of Israel the tithes which I have given you from them for your inheritance, then ye shall offer up an heave offering of it for the LORD, [even] a tenth [part] of the tithe. And [this] your heave offering shall be reckoned unto you, as though [it were] the corn of the threshingfloor, and as the fulness of the winepress. Thus ye also shall offer an heave offering unto the LORD of all your tithes, which ye receive of the children of Israel; and ye shall give thereof the LORD'S heave offering to Aaron the priest. - Numbers 18:25-28

So, first, Pastors collecting tithe is UNscriptural and THIEFING because they are NOT the church workers of our days; they are like the priest BUT every believer is made kings and PRIEST unto God hence, there is nothing like priest and levites ANYMORE. That's just by the way. .........are you enjoying this lecture in the Spirit? Okay! We just established what Hebrews 7:5 says concerning sons of Levi HAVE THE COMMANDMENT TO TAKE TITHE right? That's the first use of the word 'commandment' and what is specified for? - TO TAKE TITHE....by the sons of Levi who were ministers in the Old Tabernacle with the PRIEST, Aaron. You get it?, Okay!

2. The second use of the word 'commandment' is in verse 16 of Hebrews 7.

Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

Now, to understand what this 'commandment' is pointing to, you need to read within context from verse 12 and you will understand verse 16. This 'commandment' is referring to the REQUIREMENT TO QUALIFY AS A LEVITICAL PRIESTHOOD - One MUST be of the tribe of Levi. Otherwise, you CANNOT qualify to function as a Levitical Priesthood. That's the reason verses 13-14 specified that Our Lord Jesus doesn't meet the legal (law) requirement for being MADE a Levitcal priesthood and hence, HE CANNOT COLLECT TITHE (only the Levites have commandment to take tithe) because Christ descended from the tribe of Judah and nothing was said in the law of Moses concerning Judah Priesthood. Again, DON'T forget, the commandment is NOW two. One in verse 5 and the second in verse 16 and yet, it is NOT PLURAL but SINGULAR....meaning both are taken as a WHOLE....as first explained.

Now, to the main eternal truth in verse 18 that cancelled the 'commandment'. Some folks here argue that it is ONLY the priesthood of verse 12 and 16 that is cancelled. I laugh when they make such claim in the face of scriptures. Let's even 'assume' it is the levitical priesthood that is cancelled BUT the same levitical priesthood HAVE WITH THEM COMMANDMENT TO TAKE TITHE.....so if they agree the levitical priesthood is cancelled, indirectly or directly, the tithe too is gone because they possess the commandment to TAKE TITHE. The Levitical priesthood can't be gone and the tithe remain? To whom then are you gonna take the tithe to if the 'commandment' is to the Levites?

The truth is, the 'commandment' that is nullified in verse 18 MUST include 'to take tithe' of verse 5 and also 'to be made a priesthood' of verse 16. To say that the Levitical priesthood is gone but tithe remains is cherry-picking scriptures. The 'commandment' in verse 18 is singular, so is the 'commandment' in verse 5 and 16. None is plural with -s. Hence, it MUST include both the 'commandment' to take tithe as well as 'commandment' to be made a levites AND NOT ONLY LIMITED TO THOSE TWO ALONE BUT TO EVERY OTHER COMMANDMENTS (plural) IN THE LAW OF MOSES.

Many pastors don't like to read the whole of Hebrews 7 to you because they know the truth that's where tithing was abolished. Pastors even go as far as telling non-income earners such as students, babies (when present with gifts at birth) etc to tithe and such is even against scriptures and nowhere to be found in the pages of the Holy Scriptures) Under the law of Christ that governs the New Testament, we're instructed to GIVE. Just like the national Israel were instructed to share their resources and income or increase with the Levites by bringing tithes to them, so also the church (you and I) are instructed to give, by sharing our income or whatever we have with ourselves in the worship places, our neighbours, our families, our friends, our community, etc. Tithe is NEVER money in the law; it was specific to be crops and animals BUT under Grace, giving is MONEY or could be anything including giving ourselves, time, talents etc. This is the instruction UNDER Grace of Christ, NOT according to the law of Moses. Tithe is 10% but your giving can be any percent.....AS YOU PROPOSE IN YOUR HEART IN KEEPING UP WITH YOUR EXPENSES AND LIVING. (2 Corinthians 9:7 and 1 Corinthians 16:2 - Please read those two scriptures in NIV translation to better understand the context).

One of the reasons the law of Moses was taken away was because God want to make ONE NEW MAN IN CHRIST (The church which is the body and bride of Christ) which is NOT limited ONLY to the national Israel BUT universal. Then God will have to introduce a new law IN Christ for ALL THOSE WHO COME TO Christ to be governed by the New law of Christ under the dispensation of Grace - It's called the 'law of the Spirit of life' IN CHRIST JESUS.

New International Version (©1984)
by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace, and in this one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near.
New Living Translation (©2007)
He did this by ending the system of law [size=20pt]with[/size] its [b]commandments (PLURAL) and regulations (PLURAL). He made peace between Jews and Gentiles by creating in himself one new people from the two groups. Together as one body, Christ reconciled both groups to God by means of his death on the cross, and our hostility toward each other was put to death. He brought this Good News of peace to you Gentiles who were far away from him, and peace to the Jews who were near. - Ephesians 2:15-17

Weymouth New Testament
In that new creation there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, barbarian, Scythian, slave nor free man, but Christ is everything and is in all of us. - Colossians 3:11

Lemme stop here...a long epistle indeed!

Bidam: another of your errors..10% is not for preachers..it is to God.....and what gave you the impression preachers don't tithe? We are all called to preach rememeber? A church is not a building do i remind you?

OLAADEGBU: I trust you with your diabolical ways of diverting the topic when you grasping at straws. Was it not you in the thread below collaborating with atheists against the word of God?

https://www.nairaland.com/898276/gods-perfect-moral-law-explained

Bidam: And so? What's your point? I am also greater than solomon cos Christ in me is the hope of glory.. I can do ALL THINGS THRU CHRIST WHO GIVES ME STRENGTH....gosh you just like arguing for arguing sake.or is it a crime if i use my money that Christ has blessed me with to spread the gospel to as far as china, japan,india or jakarta?

Bidam: on the contrary, we give our tithes to God because the ability to earn the money is God's gift in the first place( ecc 5:18). 2. We give to God becos the ability to enjoy the wealth is a gift from God( ecc 5:19-20). 3. But on the other hand you guys are tight fisted becos..1. the more you have the more your want the unrighteous mammon(ecc5 :10). 2. The more you have the more you spend(ecc 5:11).3.the more you have the more you worry(ecc5 :12) and lastly the more you have the more you loose (ecc 5:13-14)..abegi make una read ecc5 :14-17 and learn a thing or two why money shuldn't be taking seriously but should instead be invested in God's kingdom...Jesus said it loud and clear in scriptures..you can't serve me and money..so don't hide in hypocrisy quoting NT when you have not yielded your entire being to the Lord as a living sacrifice including your purse(romans 12:1).

shdemidemi: Good job you do here GOSHEN360. A quick question for you to enlighten ourselves- WHAT THEN IS THE MESSAGE TO THE CHURCH? In other words, what are the most important parts of the Bible to a Christian?

JIL: So what about the other 612 laws? It is only when it comes to tithes that you realise the OT exists. When last did you offer burnt offerings?

Image123: Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, [size=20pt]but to fulfill[/size].
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, [size=20pt]till all be fulfilled.[/size]
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Goshen360: New International Version (©1984)
And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself.
New Living Translation (©2007)
Then Jesus took them through the writings of Moses and all the prophets, explaining from all the Scriptures the things concerning himself. - Luke 24:27

Goshen360: New International Version (©1984)
Christ is the end of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.
New Living Translation (©2007)
For Christ has already accomplishED the purpose for which the law was given. As a result, all who believe in him are made right with God. - Romans 10:4

Image123: where did your comprehension go? The cartoon shows the folly of separating from the OT. The OT is the root, the foundation. It is unwise to run away with only the cross.
Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, [size=30pt]but to fulfill.[/size]
Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

OLAADEGBU: If the foundation be destroyed what can the righteous do?

Image123: i am back and better ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, i paid my tithes today.