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Image123: words that show your mind is already blocked irrespective of what may be said. That's the reason we often leave you to yourself initially.

Image123 bro, no vex but you must learn to look before leaping - That's the reason everything we say here is documented and\or quoted. When I made that statement, it's like it the same time you also responded to my answers to your question. Immediately I submitted my answer, I saw your response but I don't wanna edit so it doesn't look like I said something I'm afraid of people reading it. So it's like while you were typing yours, I was typing mine but yours was submitted first. Go back and check the time difference when your post was submitted with the time mine was submitted. Again, this week\end is busy for me, only responding shortly from my phone, I will respond fully during this coming weekdays.

@ all, I'm waiting for Image123 to respond to my answers on his Old covenant question before I expose their falsehood further.

I'm still warming up at the sideline o Na everything I dey read and follow. This week and weekends are very busy for me, can't type intensive post especially all the things Ola, Joe and Image123 wrote. I dey come for una

@ Image123, I'm still waiting for you to challenge what I taught about Old covenant because it's like you guys are dodging that and still going in circles.

@ Christembassey,

I can't give intensive answers because I'm typing from my phone. To give a simple answer - Christ came to give us life, the very life of God. He came to fulfill the law of Moses. He came to re-establish the very essence of the first Adam,bringing mankind again to the original fellowship with the Father.

Yours acknowledged. I'm busy this weekend but will try see if I can make out time to discuss. If not, anytime from Monday will be fine. Thanks.

musKeeto: ^^^^^
Heeheehee..

Pastor Kun, Goshen, Frosbel et al.. The people in the church need more help than those outside, honestly... I won't bother any Christian thread that chooses to discuss and profer remedies to the current situation. The religious institutions in our nation is sick, and as a result the nation is sick. It has nothing to do with paganism or atheism. Let's stop turning a blind eye to the obvious..

I'm Goshen360 and I ENDORSE this message.

Believe me brother, God is raising a new breed without greed for that nation called Nigeria. I'm part of God's end time move to deliver God's people from the grip of religious falsehood. I will email you, musKeeto. God bless you!

Moral lessons: Godliness with CONTENTMENT....is a great gain.

[quote author=fr_evangel]I really like your passion. I am presently studying again, most teachings/doctrines that we were taught back in Sunday School and in some of the Mega Churches(dont want to mention names) today. The truth is that we have been mislead -The church- for so many years. Doctrines like tithing, firstfruits, sowing/connecting to an anointing/grace, the seperiority of a minsiter, prosperity message (which is actually greed and discontentment), love for the world etc and some others like witch killing, hate for your neighbour (in the name of spiritual warfare), are wrong/false/satanic doctrines!

I have gone back to study simple doctrines like Faith, believing, prayer, the Holy Spirit, righteousness, morality, giving and helps, fruits of the spirit etc. Some I realised we have been taught wrongly.

Do you have a personal blog?[/quote]Thanks for the compliment. You are blessed.

First, I do not have a blog yet. I will consider it at your word. Thank you.

Two. I have said my time, those who think we cannot scrutinize the teachings of our spiritual leaders are in error - the Bereans scrutinized Apostle Paul's teaching. Now, what do you think they would have done had they found out he was teaching error?

Every believer must scrutinize the teachings of their leaders or worship center and stand for the truth. Not everything we were taught is right and not all were wrong - we must separate the error from truth.

I will like you to join us, the new breed without greed that God is raising in this end time and let's flow together in the Apostolic teachings, setting the captives free for God.

FXKing2012: Wonder why you keep avoiding explaining Luke 22:36.

My point is this: does dressing like a gangster make me a gangster? If you choose to judge a man who sags his baggy jeans, wears hood and with loads of bling-bling on his neck based solely on his outlook or outward appearance, then you will call him a gangster even though it's very possible he doesnt belong to any gang, doesnt commit crimes and, infact, has a very good heart - even has a better heart compared to folks in suits.

As long as you dont know the intent of their hearts then you shouldnt call them thieves or yahoo yahoo. Only God sees through our hearts to know our thoughts. You can only call them thieves if the sole purpose of setting of their churches is for financial gain, and since you dont know this for sure then refrain from calling them names.

Have you thought of it that some of those pastors may not be very well grounded in the Word like you? Some pastors still preach and live in the old testament, but that doesnt make them thieves - they only lack knowledge. Do we then crucify them because of that?

I will reply you INTENSIVELY and line by line. Permit me to take care of my daily business first.

FXKing2012: I dont remember saying carrying cutlass has spiritual meaning, I only said it is symbolic - they are only trying to use the symbol as a means of disseminating a certain information.

And tell us the spiritual implication of this Bible passage: Luke 22:36 [Jesus] said to [the disciples], "But now the one who has a purse must take it, and likewise a bag; and the one who has no sword must sell his cloak and buy one."

Why are you asking me to tell people the spiritual implication of that verse? Aren't you the one who said carrying cutlass by those people is symbolic? You are the one we've waiting for to tell us how it is symbolic abi that one na 'sword of the Spirit' ni? The only sword I know is the word of God.

FXKing2012: Are you aware the disciples of Jesus carried swords with them? Jesus even made mention of it here:
Luke 22:36 [Jesus] said to [the disciples], "But now the one who has a purse must take it, and likewise a bag; and the one who has no sword must sell his cloak and buy one."

I dont intend to dig further into this because it's not the important thing.

As much as I dont particularly agree with their methodology and even find it very hilarious, I will never go as far as condemning them in my heart not to even talk of calling them fake because only God sees the heart.

Many of the dead big-name pastors have been known to make hell, so I've learned not to condemn anyone.

You're still dodging the questions asked - The question is tell us the 'spiritual' meaning of carrying cutlass. Simple as ABC. You said it has spiritual meaning, then tell us what the spiritual meaning is. I'm waiting sir.

Image123: Ola you get time today oh, well done. The thread was quite depressing with the 20 or so posts before yours, owing to the almost trademark dishonesty and insincerity from the other ends.
Gosh, please i await your concise explanation of what the old covenant is, thanks.

Oga, pick your meaning of what Old Covenant is from what I wrote there. Concise doesn't have a consistent measure. That's the best 'concise' I can be. Otherwise, I will write like one FULL page in a thread. But make e no be like say I dey dodge your questions, I will answer it in a simple way again.

The Old Covenant IS the 10 commandments + ALL ordinances, commandments and regulations given to Moses AS A LAW TO THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL and NOT TO THE CHURCH OF GOD under the New Covenant. This Old Covenant was terminated AFTER the death of Christ in order to effect a New Covenant which is given to the ONE NEW MAN in CHRIST, that is the Jews and the Gentiles which both make up the church of God for the New Testament.

That is it, if that's 'concise' in your definition.

Oahray: hehehe... Point and kill the enemy. Many churches are obsessed with enemies. Same enemies Jesus said we should love and pray for.

If dem tell some people say dem no be christians dem go start to quote "do not judge".

I release eternal blessing on you and your eternal generation. I bless you from the depth of my heart. Here is your Apostolic blessing from me - The God that raised up Christ from the dead SHALL RAISE YOU AND YOUR ENTIRE GENERATION TO A GREATER HEIGHT IN LIFE AND DESTINY. Watch it, it shall come to past in Jesus might name.

You see, that's why I'm very angry with all these 'enemy must die' gospel - because it is NOT Christ like. The same people that are saying enemy must die were once God's enemy. If God had killed them, will they be alive saying one enemy must die? This is where CHRISTianity is different from CHURCHianity and religion. To be a true Christian, one must act like CHRIST.

God bless you!

FXKing2012: Last time I checked it's not a sin to carry cutlass.
What we all need to understand is that the carrying of a cutlass is nothing more than symbolism. The message being sent is what we should concentrate on, not the method.

Okay, can you tell us the 'spiritual' meaning of carrying cutlass since it is symbolic. And please, don't forget to add scriptures o. Also, we'll need the 'spiritual' meaning of point and kill. Remember acting against scripture is like acting against a constitution of a country.

FXKing2012: How do u communicate with someone who doesnt speak like you? Have u heard this saying: to catch a monkey you act like one?

Very simple - communicate is a simple manner NOT point and kill or carrying cutlass on posters as Christians.

debosky: Sir, that 'concise' description has some inconsistencies - there is no mention of tithe in 1 Cor 9:14, neither is there any mention of tithing in 1 Cor 16:2. If tithing was not mentioned during those two instances, how can anyone claim God 'commissioned it' and Paul 'conformed it' in those two passages?

A concise response to these two queries will be much appreciated.

That's to show how they corrupt the word of God. Every where tithe was commanded, the word 'tithe' ALWAYS occur - both in the Old and New Testament. If the Apostle is talking specifically on tithe, it's no big deal for Apostle to mention it. These group of Ola, Bidam, Image123 and Joagbaje are all trying hard to key the word 'tithe' into those verses being guilty of adding to God's word.

FXKing2012: When you condemn people, it is judgement. And we've been expressly comanded not to judge.

What is condemnation is calling name? You call names calling condemnation? Didn't Apostle Paul called names? Besides, the judgment we are NOT allowed is 'hypocritical' judgment - doing the same thing and judging the other person for doing such. Like thief calling another thief a thief - that's hypocritical judgment. Read you bible in context please. Believers can judge ourselves and among ourselves. It's there in the bible and I expect you of all people to know this.

FXKing2012: And how have they acted like yahoo boys? They are only trying to communicate with and reach out to folks that may not understand high-end English as rendered by Rev. Chris Okotie and pastor Chris Oyak. Those who only understand pidgin English or who have spent their entire lives in slums also need to be reached out to.

Now, how do you reach out to such people if you dont 'speak their language'? Or do you suggest we neglect them simply because they dont measure up to us?

And since when is acting like a thief tantamount to being a thief? Is it really fair being called a thief just because you are perceived as acting as one?

Must they carry cutlass in pictures in order to communicate the truth of whatever message they are passing across? Where did you read any of the Apostles doing all those things in those posters? Doesn't that show a yahoo boy-like character among Christians. Must they act like yahoo boys in order to win a yahoo boy? Must we fornicate because we want to win a fornicator? If they can't communicate in a simple way without ridiculing Christianity, then they should keep quiet.

bedford101: Goshen, (pardon me abeg) but ur name resemble who go soon open Church o

Yes, I will open 'worship' centre (at the 'time of life' if Christ tarries) NOT church because we, the people are the church. A church does not attend church. I'll open church to teach the liberating truth of Grace and obedience to the Gospel of Christ - No tithe, No seed sowing gimmicks, No firstfruit offerings because Christ is our fulfilled firstfruit etc etc.

However, I might 'consider' being a co-worker with someone of the same 'teaching' Grace and ministry that I have instead of adding up to the already existing ones. I've not made my final decision though because it's not time yet - I'm only doing what I can do now in the best way I can do it now. That is, impact one person and one person impacts the other and so on and so on.

musKeeto: Bro. Gosh, e be lyk dis matter pain you well well o...

D thing taya efribody o..

Yes, it stirs up 'holy' anger in me. Since I came to the light of God's word, I see clearly like the man Jesus told to go wash his eyes in the water. That water in this spiritual realm is the word of God - it washes and cleanses. I've seen too many deception in the body of Christ and I will do my part to fight it. I will NOT keep quiet until Christ be FORMED in us.

These people are insulting the finished work of Christ\Christianity and making profit out of the weak Christians. We must chase them out of business. How? By empowering God's people with the Gospel of truth contained in the New Testament, the Gospel of Grace that dispels every other man made Gospels. When I looked into scriptures and I don't see anything like these people are doing practiced among the early church which is the foundation for today's church, then we will challenge it.

I dey vex no be small my brother. Imagine somebody carrying cutlass in the name of spiritual warfare? Imagine someone saying witches must die? Imagine someone saying leave me let me go drive my car? What nonsense is that! This is what all these con men had turn Christianity into and we must not keep quiet. The more we teach the liberating truth of the New Testament, the more these con men loose their grips on the captives.

FXKing2012: How do you know for sure they are yahoo boys? Be careful how you judge people - pastors or not.

There's no judgment yet according to scriptures. Calling names is NOT the same as judgment; it's rebuking and we're also allowed to judge (among) ourselves according scriptures. If they're not yahoo boys, what business do they have acting like one? Someone don't want to be called a thief but he\she is in the company of thieves, what then will he\she be called?

OLAADEGBU: If he cannot explain it to a little child what chance has he got explaining it to an adult? He thinks folks have the time to read his dissertations so as to pass an exam.

All YOU and Image123 (as promised) have to do is DEBUNK WHAT I TAUGHT THERE. I'm waiting for you to show us the Old Covenant is NOT the 10 commandments + all other commandments given to Moses. Please, feel free to debunk my teachings.

OLAADEGBU: And you call this concise?

...because lazy people who don't like to read and STUDY cannot be a good teacher and that's what you've demonstrated. Have I written 3 pages yet, if that's not concise I haven't written a whole one page yet.

OLAADEGBU: Stay tunned for the lekshure on pre, during and after tithes and offering.

Simple kweshion and it has become - YOU WILL SOON.....lecture. Answer simply kweshion you're planning to go consult places where you get your article from. As said, I will NOT reply if I see any COPY and PASTE job except you're ready to reason for yourself. This is ONLY the place I love Image123 - He doesn't do COPY and PASTE job AT ALL, NEVER will you see Image123 doing COPY and PASTE. I love him for that even though we don't agree on this subject.

OLAADEGBU: I will soon lecture you as Ben Carson did to Obama on pre-law, during the law and after the law tithing. Stay tuned.

If ONLY you'll NOT do continue COPY and PASTE article. Dr Ben Carson was original in himself, try to be also. If I see any copy and paste article to lecture, I won't reply you BUT I'll be glad to reason scriptures with you if your lecture is original. I'm already tuned in waiting eagerly for you to come up .

Pastor Kun: As funny as some of the posters on this thread is, the reality behind it is really saddening.

God bless you brother. That's why we must not keep quiet for these people to continue in this acts. There must be radical contending against them with the truth that sets free.

If ANY so called pastor starts making you 'think' you are still in bondage AFTER you've TRULY come to Christ, that pastor is FAKE! If ANY pastor still makes you think someone somewhere is 'doing' you and not making you progress in life AFTER you are IN CHRIST, that pastor is FAKE. It's an insult to the gift of salvation.

When you are truly IN Christ, the Life of Christ is deposited in you. Christ is made a curse for you. Curses no longer hold the life of Christ in you. Don't be deceived through human traditions and clever philosophy of men. Darkness and light cannot co-habitat. You can't be blessed and cursed AT THE SAME TIME. You can't be wet and dry at the same time. Christ cannot be in you by the Spirit of God and you still carry curse. Don't be deceived people of God.

New International Version (©1984)
Unlike so many, we do not peddle the word of God for profit. On the contrary, in Christ we speak before God with sincerity, like [b[u]]men sent from God[/u][/b]. - 2 Corinthians 2:17

How then do we know the 'SO MANY' who peddle (sell, market, commercialize, corrupt, bend, adulterate, make a trade of) the word of God for PROFIT?

1. By the fruits, you shall know them.
2. Their activities doesn't align with the new testament teachings
3. They secretly introduce human traditions into the faith
4. The secretly introduce destructive heresies into the faith
5. They apply scriptures that doesn't apply to Christians to the bible illiterates in order to feed on them.
6. They feed on God's people rather than feeding the flock of God.

What saith the scriptures? Those who are strong in faith should expose them (Ephesians 5:11)

lagerwhenindoubt: You are right about one thing though, even as it is plain for all to see, these young brash ex-419ners are using the veil of Christianity to defraud the gullible sheep.

God bless you! We must contend against these men under the veil of Christianity with the truth of scriptures. Many lives are being misled and crippling because we keep quiet. Speak out and I speak out, gradually our truth will speak and stand.

Falsehood had crept into our faith and it's being hijacked by business men who sees godliness as profit and hence peddle the word of God for profit. Every true believer is called to stand against these men. If it doesn't align with scriptures of our new covenant\testament; it must be challenged by exposing them with the truth.

This is NOT a laughing matter please.

^ Never mind. Can we deal with this subject line-by-line? Because many young people are being misled everyday. Were those books addressed to the national Israel or to the church?

^ Okay. Don't worry yourself then if you think I can't teach you anything about the bible. But that's a wrong conclusion because many things we're taught in the 'institutionalized' church are truth mixed with errors. You and I are engaged in emancipating the captivated mind but the difference is how believes and how we do it.

As per not being philosophical, you also get it wrong. I don't engage in most of those things not because I'm weak in those things but most of it I view as time wasting without adding values to the church of God. That's the reason I said, we are doing same job but in different directions. I also tends not to engage in prolonged arguments (if you've noticed) because there's much to do within my 24 hours daily.

The revolution has started already - It started with US!

Logicboy03: 1) You came here to attack my character/person. As evidenced by your preious comment. I didnt talk to you. You came on your own to bash me an claim that I dont listen and I dont know the bible. Dont play the victim. You mess with the bull, you get the horns.

Logicboy, I didn't attack your person. I only made a statement that the same thing had been said to you many times that those books don't apply to Christians just as PastorKun said.

Logicboy03: 2~)Your pal claimed that the mosaic laws in leveticus/old testamnet do not apply in christianity while pastors still use leveticus and old testament ot support the anti-gay rhetoric, tithing, ten commandments etc. He lied. You supported him

This has been my teachings and message all along - PastorKun did NOT lie about what he said. The point here is, "WHILE PASTORS STILL USE IT......". That's the problem and error we're trying to correct. Countless times in those books, you will read the phrase, "to the children of Israel...". See, there're many thing I wish I teach you especially sometimes but when you turn on this your insulting attitude, it turns me off. Hence, I draw back talking to you in order to avoid e-fighting.

Now, many pastors use those scriptures without proper context and that's one of the things we're teaching God's people to understand those scriptures don't apply to us. If we say they don't apply to us, how then shall be cherry pick some and leave the rest? It simply means NONE is applicable to us except for Christ hidden but the laws and regulations don't to Christians as it was written to national Israel as a type and shadow of the church. So, I supported PastorKun because he said the truth, he didn't lie - That's bible truth and we can discuss it line-by-line if you want.

Logicboy03: 3) I can bash the new testament if you want. Your Jesus was a suicidal racist. He allowed himself to be betrayed by Judas. He also was racist to the Canaanite woman.

You 'probably' misunderstood the context. We can discuss this also if you want.