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ifeness: You still call the Old testament deity God after the atrocities it/she/he committed. Example, if i saw a man trying to kill a lil boy,i would either call the police or try to defend the lil boy. Abraham was deceived by this god to kill his son,only to tell him he was testing him. What doesn't seem like an all knowing god. Otherwise he should have know if Abraham really loved him....judging from the fact that he is always said to be an all knowing god.

After reading the Old testament,the Bible god wasn't the type i would trust as a friend. Always agree,always want sacrifices.

Talk about the tower of babel.......another story we dnt wanna talk about.

My conclusion, that god did worse that hitler

Hahahahahaha. That's your reasoning and I love it. I love to reason also. The truth is, it was a shadow and picture of God himself showing his love to mankind as per the story of Abraham. These were all shadows. You know your shadow isn't your real being right? But a portrait of your real being. God was showing a picture of his redemptive plan through the scene of Abraham and Isaac. When you read/study that account, you read such that God provided himself as lamb for the sacrifice.

inurmind: Lmao, only if you knew. Frankly I think some things should be the other way round.
And I saw the post on my following list interestingly false thats why I replied to it.
Me no dey follow your sister o, before you go send evil spirit come steal my private jet destiny.

Hahahahahaha, Noooooooooo, I can't send any evil spirit o as I have none. Anyway, just be careful wif my sister. I dey watch you closely o. If I catch you another thread again, you go see wetin I go do for you....lolz. Na to lay you don and wip you wella

ifeness: So do you accept that the Old testament deity was evil and had no symtom of the fruits of the spirit always preached about in the bible?

My question if you agree with the above: why are you worshiping such entity?

I do not agree that God is evil. Never! It was the people of national Israel that were stiff necked. If you give your child instructions and such doesn't obey how will you feel?

mazaje: I said even the Jews that believe in the OT find it repulsive and refuse to follow what is written inside. . .The Jews that practice Judaism believe in the OT but refuse to obey it. . .They do NOT believe in any new or old. . .They just find the injunctions in their own holy book barbaric and refuse to obey it. . .I am not the one that claimed that the bible god does not change, the bible made the claim. . .The bible says its god remains the same for ever and never changes. . .If the OT is obsolete then why is it part of the bible?. . .Why do you read from it and take or obey some of the good parts but discard the bad parts?. . .

First, I do not obey some part and leave some part. The old contain redemptive process and Christ hidden in the Old. I read it to enable me better appreciate the privileges and Grace in the New. Off course, the Jews NOW cannot obey it anymore because it's obsolete. It was the same God who gave it that took it away.

mazaje: People that were living in other parts of the world knew that stealing was wrong long before the 10 commandments were written. . .As for the moral evolution between the OT and the NT, I have my own explanations for that but I know you won't accept it. . .So lets just agree to disagree. . .

Yes, brother. If I start to teach somethings by my knowledge. Some people will think I'm teaching heresy. Hence, I hold some teaching. Not because I'm afraid but timing. Like you said, before the 10 commandment, people knew stealing and killing were wrong. Those who kill and steal before the law of ten commandment sinned but that's the reason God had to redeem man to the original state before the fall - to a perfect moral being.

ifeness: Without the old testament, Christianly will be like a half baked bread. Its either you let it go or you stick to the evil laws which encourages rape,mass murder,slavery etc. our todays law may not be perfect but is by a long mile better than all the laws in the bible.

Take out the old testament ,you wont have the ridiculous stories of creation . You wont have the story of an evil deity who loves blood sacrifices.. And no tithe and offering

I agree with you but the OT is so that we can appreciate the NT. Like I always said, it was written to Jews, not to Christians. When we read it, we can better appreciate the NT. Christians were NEVER under that law in the first place. Also, the OT was pointing to the redemption process and Christ. Christ had come to show us a better way to God and to people around us. There's no greater love than that - I love you and you love me. That's what the NT hangs on.

inurmind: Really?
So you mean if John was a dumbass who wanted to feel like an intelligent guy he would wake up one morning and denounce his faith?
I could agree that most atheists do feel smarter, but that has nothing to do with their reasons for becoming atheists.
People become atheists because they question, and they question without fear.

Why e be say na so so my sister Bella you like to dey follow follow? Na so you dey follow her for the other thread. Be careful o.

Anyway, it's good to ask questions. I do ask questions too. It enhances our reasoning capacity. I agree with you on that one sha. But stop following my sister or I ban you....

ifeness: Come down from where actually? You mean a sky god?

What do you call the atmosphere you see atop our immediate earth? I think I want to debunk you today......

mazaje: Leviticus 19:18 also says you should love your neighbour as yourself. . .The OT then goes to tell people to kill their neighbours if they worship other gods. . .Sell their kids into slavery etc. . . .

You're only holding unto OT and yet you just said even the Jews don't follow the Old anymore. It seems to me you just want to hang on excuses of the obsolete testament. It is OBSOLETE and no longer fits into the New. Okay, does the NT ever tell Christians to kill their neighbours who worship other gods? Does the NT ever say sell kids into slavery? Yet, you claim God never changes and the same yesterday today and forever. Your very own argument is illogical.

mazaje: Covenant?. . .Even the Jews themselves that still have the OT as their holy book do NOT abide by most of the things written in the OT. . . .If you try to obey and live by just few of the injunctions of the OT as a Jew in Israel today, you will be arrested and imprisoned. . .Even the Jews of today that believe ONLY in the OT do not agree or obey most of what is written inside the holy book, their morality is way above that of the god they believe in. . . .

Exactly what I'm saying. It's obsolete. God took away the Old so he can establish the New.

mazaje: So stealing is a new law written in your heart but selling your daughter into slavery is not, eh?. . . .Can you show me your heart so that I can see where it is written?. . .

Who said stealing is a new law? Are you saying we should steal or what? No one, whether Christian or not, should steal. What I said was, when toba said we should not steal, it's not because the OT says so but because Christians are not to steal etc and without being told, our conscience bears without that stealing is wrong whether Christian or not. You, even as an Atheist, do you steal? I doubt you do.

Logicboy03: What? So the OT command didnt come from God?


Is your brain leaking?

The OT commadment came from God BUT not to Christians. It was to the Jews under an obsolete covenant. The NT is under a better covenant. When God was dealing with ONE nation is NOT THE SAME as when God NOW dealing with ALL NATIONS of the earth.

Logicboy03: You think I will stop insulting christians like you? You are animals who dont work with logic. Fear and anger is what you understand. Sheep.


I can respect Anony and Pastor AIO but not enemies of reason like you.


By the way, the bible supports slavery.

Well, if you're gonna continue insult me without a logical argument, then I will leave you alone. I "might" respond to post addressed to me without insult. Thank you.

ifeness: God writing a law? Why cant he come down and live in ajegunle and set a good example himself?

Has God ever come down to any nation to build for them? What are you talking about? Your question in itself is illogical.

mazaje: The entire bible you guys claim is the word of god, no?. . .Toba said the bible tells people not to steal. if i ask him for reference I believe he will show me the ten commandments. Was the ten commandments given to christians? . . . .What's the purpose of selling a person's daughter into slavery?. . .Because I just can't understand why a merciful and loving god will tell people to stone to death their disobedient children. . .It might make sense to the ancient people that wrote it but to me it just doesn't. . .

Yes, it doesn't make sense to me also but you must understand that Christians were NEVER under that covenant in the first place. When he says we should not steal, not because the first covenant says so but because the NEW law of God is written in our heart under the NT.

Logicboy03: 3 reetarded questions there. God commanded the slavery. It doesnt matter to whom it was commanded to. What matters and disgusts atheists is that fools like you will still worship this foreign tyrannical God.

When e be say na so so communion you dey go chop when you're a Christian, how you go sabi something? What is the meaning of the slave that was commanded in the OT to the NT? Can you answer that kweshion please?

Logicboy03: Your comment is reetarded.

Sad to see black men try to support and remix the slavery in the bible that was use to justify the slavery of his black ancestors.


The bible clearly tells us how to beat slaves and where to get them. It also states how they should be subject to even wicked masters.


Please, shut up.

You see why I don't like talking to kids. mazaje and I haven't insulted ourselves but little boy is written all over you. Grow up young man. Slaves in the bible has two meanings, go to the root of biblical words and stop showing your ignorance all over this place. When I have time to debunk your logic one day, you will see me in action. If you can't discuss without insult, I won't respond to you again.

mazaje: Did the bible tell people to sell their daughters into slavery, yes it did. . . What about killing of unbelievers?. . .It did as well. . .Marrying your rapeee victim nko? Stoning to death your disobedient kids?. . .Its all in there and those injunctions were supposedly given by a loving and merciful god that never changes and remains the same yesterday, today and for ever, no?

And it was written to who? Christian? And for what purpose was it written or given? These and many more are the root of the matter you should first find out before you discredit the Bible. Was it written to Christians? Answer me now before I flog you.... And if it wasn't written to Christians, what was the reason God will have to give such laws and commandments?

Logicboy03: The average Nigerian christian is a reetard and you belong to such a group.

Did I not mention Paul's writing on women?

Did I not mention the uselessness of the bible in company law or internet regulations?


Address what I wrote.



Extra fails of the bible that would carry 21st century people backwatrds
-racism of Jesus to the Canaanite woman
-New testament support for slavery
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How many times will I warn you about this slave issue. The original language is subjective slave not captive slave.

mazaje: The same bible also says that people should stone to death their disobedient children, kill those that worship other gods, tells people to enslave each other, and says that rapistss should marry the women they rapeee. . .How is that not a backward thing?

How many times will I warn you about this aspect of the bible? You know say you be my friend but you dey fall my hands most times. Haba

striktlymi: Good morning Payoski,

I am really struggling to believe your story. I know for a fact that a number of "business men" go by the name of "Men of God" these days but for one to come outright to show his intent is a bit too much for me.

Some achieve their goal of making money by 'manipulating' scriptures in order to sound believable hence using gimicks like "tithe", "sowing of seeds" and some other seemingly biblical precepts to get what they want.

So for this individual to come out directly to request for money in order to perform his duties suggests two things for me: (1) The man is not smart; or 2) The story is not true.

Anyways, that's just my opinion! But if the story is indeed true then I believe you should know too well not to give out a dime to this individual. You really do not need someone to advice you not to.


Thank you!

I also struggled to believe this story but you said the truth. You're in the Spirit!

Zamizoni: This was among the announcements that's the pastor read out last year December. And last week Sunday he repeated it again that every member should bring there FIRST FRUIT (FIRST SALARY OR BUSINESS EARNINGS) to church in January

First, You'll need to humbly confront your (in the secret) and show him scriptures that First fruit IS NOT MONEY, FIRST FRUIT WAS A SHADOW OF CHRIST HIMSELF IN THE OLD TESTAMENT. For your pastor to repeat this stuff, I "assume" he only need the member's money.

Zamizoni: He and even talked about someone who came to partially complain that he will not be able to bring ALL HIS JANUARY SALARY to the Church, that how will he and his family survive Pastor said he must have faith.

Cruelty and deceit is hidden in your pastor's reply to the above member.

Zamizoni: My question is is this practice BIBLICAL and is it FEASIBLE IN OUT TIME

NO, It's not biblical to the New Testament believers. Not everything that is written in the word (the Bible) is applicable to us Christians. First fruit was written to the Jew under the Mosaic Law and it was a foreshadow of Christ. It's already being fulfilled by Christ and it's NOT money. It was pointing to Christ himself. Let no man deceive you through vain words.

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

New Living Translation (©2007)
But there is an order to this resurrection: Christ was raised as the first of the harvest; then all who belong to Christ will be raised when he comes back.

Expanded Bible (EXB)
But everyone [each] will be raised to life in the right order Christ was first to be raised [the firstfruits]. When Christ comes again, those who belong to him will be raised to life,

New International Version (©1984)
But each in his own turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him.

1 Corinthians 15:23

Hence, you read clearly from scripture that fruit fruit under the old testament was pointing to the resurrection of Christ and that had been fulfilled. Pastors who teach first fruit are simply trynna twist "Christ's" fulfillment of first fruit into "MONEY". God is watching o!

frosbel: It matters that we preach sound doctrine , putting people under condemnation because they have not fulfilled an outdated practice is unbiblical.

First, you're gonna complicate issues and sound doctrine. Since it is outdated, it therefore means it was already deleted. That which was deleted had gone away. God took away (deleted or subtracted or minus) the old, so that he can establish (add or save) the new. It's obsolete means it's obsolete. Christians were NEVER under that covenant in the first place and from the beginning. God only had us in mind and when the time came, we're engrafted into the covenant.

frosbel: Secondly, what is the tithe used for, at least we should use it for the original purpose if we want to adhere to this Jewish cultural practice, no ?

Again, you'll complicate issues. Part of what the Old tithe was used for was the Levites who were also those who minister in the temple and for orphans, poor etc. Preachers will therefore argue by your above statement that tithes can or are to be used to pay them as salaries.... . You see the matter? The truth is, TITHE has ENDED in the New Testament alongside with the Mosaic system. We cannot just pick out only tithe to continue while we claim we're no longer under the law of Moses.

OLAADEGBU: All this effort to stop Christians going to church? I did a search and came up with the root cause of this heretical teaching and found out that it is called Spirit and Truth international which is a splinter group of a popular Cult organisation called the Way International. Wolves in sheep clothing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Way_International#Criticism_and_cult_allegations

Bro Ola, I can't remember where Frosbel said people should not go to church. We are the church and we only gather together not forsaking the assembly of ourselves (as church). I think it is wrong for you say out-rightly that the video or Frosbel meant to stop Christians from going to church.

Just my little observation though

^^^ You're right sister. "Sometimes", we all miss it.

[b]The New Birth is a means to an end, not an end in itself. God's Newborn is birthed with so much potential, so much promise and therefore so much responsibility. To speak it with mere human language is not easy, by any means, but the unction of the Highest One teaches us all things.

Romans 8:19-22 is a great help for explaining this. There we are told in very few but clear words that the destiny of the whole creation is riding on the shoulders of those who bear the same Life (or genes, or nature) as God, in other words, SONS of God. We are told in earlier verses that it is because of this that believers suffer divers trials and pressures. Apparently, these trails are supposed to mature this Life that Christians have received. In fact, verse 23 points out that even the pnysical bodies of these sons of God are supposed to be "redeemed" as well. It appears that the work to be done is of the wholistic kind.

God's intent is to bring many sons to maturity so that through them He will not only reclaim creation from the Corruption of Sin but bring it into the Eternal Glory and Destiny He planned for it from Eternity past.[/b]

Unfortunately, many of us Christians were not taught this basic until began to see things are they really are. Those who have been redeem are redeemed by the gift of salvation which is Grace based. There remaineth yet our responsibility by the Holy Spirit though, to renew our mind and put the body under subjection. Our body doesn't change at salvation. We have the same body.

To bring about the wholistic redemption, believers have responsibility to subject and put under control the works of the flesh (body) that was never born again in the salvation of the soul. So, what do we have here? A Christian come to Christ, saved and still follow the dictates of the body knowing there's nothing good in the body. Such is still a Christian but has refused to take responsibility.

Bringing many sons to maturity means, a Child is born, crawls, leaps, walks, stand, run and gets to full maturity. Such is still a son/daughter but complete freedom is obtained at maturity. Lemme leave the readers with this scripture,

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differs nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all;

New Living Translation (©2007)
Think of it this way. If a father dies and leaves an inheritance for his young children, those children are not much better off than slaves until they grow up (or until they mature; mine added), even though they actually own everything their father had. - Galatians 4:1

[quote author=Bélla3]lol.
Thou shalt nt derail frosbella's thread.[/quote]Hmmmm, that kind thing shey? I smell something in that name combination o. Abeg no let them catch you o.

#Derailing DEactivated mode.

#Peeped into thread,

@ Bidam,

You've NOT shown them from scripture that Christ is the very one that taught The TRINITY of God. You're just dancing around with them. Chei, you dey fall my hands no be small after all the training I gave you,... . Anyway, they're all my brethren and I will not argue with them sha.

Hey, and don't quote me o because I won't reply you.

#Run Away and Jump Out Of thread

^ Ah, oya no vex sweerie. As I dey see your eyes for this thread but I no hear your voice ni. That Okporokpo still remain? [size=3pt]Shhhhhhhh, no let them hear say I dey ask for food o[/size]....

Bella and Christemmbassey, why una dey look us. Una get Skype I.d too....

^ Accepted, edit the above

^^^ Okay bro. I dey house FULL ground!

Christ, FROM GENESIS TO REVELATION. Nothing but Christ! Christ, the seed of the woman. Christ in the Tabernacle of Moses. Christ, the deliverer and better than Moses. OmG, I feel like preaching right now! Christ the first fruit and our passover! Christ, Christ, Christ!

New Living Translation (©2007)
Then Jesus took them through the writings of Moses and all the prophets, explaining from all the Scriptures the things concerning himself. - Luke 24:27

I got delivered the day I understood this scripture. Christ, from Genesis to the Prophets (HIDDEN therein) and WHEN he came,he was SEEN in the Gospels and REVEALED in the Epistles to Revelation. Glory to God, Christ in you, the hope of Glory!