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Image123: Gosh, the basis of the thread is that one "take it personal" i.e make it practical, applied, living, not just to go gaga on highest number of Bible passages quoted. Everybody here knows fairly how to quote Bible passages. We want to see the message in YOUR life as it were. We want to read it there. It's not about wanting to fight or blackmail, not that kind of persona.

Oh, now you are talking to me right? I thought you've decided to end how you making fun of yourself and not me. Well, as far as this thread is concerned, I have a 'silent' notion about you and anukulapo but I might be wrong though and that's why I'm not talking about that because I don't want to just jump to conclusion.

Anyway, it all started because of your statement from the other first thread when you said the Bible says men should not put on cap? That's an authoritative statement which is nowhere to be found in scriptures. And yet, on that thread and this one, you've not been able to show us where men cannot put on cap/hat in worship places from the Bible. Where in the word of God did you explicitly read that from or you people are just reading into the text probably because the text 'suggests' such or you're interpreting on assumptions? The same thing goes for women wearing scarfing or veil as covering. As you can see, I'm no longer talking to you anymore on this thread if not that you're referring to me now. I do not keep malice with you but just avoiding you for the sake of peace and allow you be.

Your behaviour in the recent time shows you 'probably' have some issues or something is wrong somewhere. The fact that you and I disagree on some biblical topics doesn't create any hard feelings at all, we are still one in Christ and it was Christ that brought us together otherwise I know you not from nowhere. We must prove all TRUTH and hold on the truth, not assumption, suggestions nor traditions. Again, I might be wrong in my judgment about you but that's how I feel. As far as this thread is concern, you either leave me and the OP with the readers or let's discuss how you guys interpret a man should not cover to mean he should not wear cap, likewise for the woman. This is where I stand with you and anukulapo.

Thank you.

Okay my dearest sister JeSoul,

Thanks for giving that third shot question. I do have the NLT newest Chronological Study Bible with many other chronological study Bible and I can agree with the answer given from the article you posted. Chronological order most times have helped me in my studies of God's word.

[quote author=inspiredbyGOD:.]cont'd:
Was woman created from man or were they both created together at the same time?
Now in chapter 2, it says that only one man was created
and in verse 18
God decided to create a helper for the man

So, which is which?[/quote]On the second question,

First, you must understand that Genesis has two accounts of creation. One is summary and the other detailed, both complementary to each other. Some people say they're contradictory because they do not understand the details given in each and probably they do not pay attention to details. God ONLY created Adam first. Male and female created He THEM means Eve was IN Adam just like the whole human race was also IN Adam. So when you read phrase like "MALE and FEMALE created He them", you must understand the when one is created and the other is in the one. So when God decided to created the helper was when God brought out the one IN Adam. This verse explains it,

New Living Translation (©2007)
For although the first woman came from man, every other man was born from a woman, and everything comes from God. - 1 Corinthians 11:12

Now, the question is how can a FIRST WOMAN come from man is that man is NOT first created? It means the man existed before the FIRST woman. Therefore, the man will be called the FIRST man (Adam) also. And if the first woman CAME from the man, simply meaning is that this first woman is INSIDE of this man because it says, she was created FROM or OUT OF the man. I was IN my biological father and mother and CAME OUT FROM them but everything from God.

Glory to God!

[quote author=inspiredbyGOD:.]Okay, I have a few questions (from the bible) that have been bugging my mind and I need concise answers.
Now concerning the creation story.
Genesis 1 vs 3 - 5

I want to know the difference between the "light" being talked about here from the one provided by the sun & moon which were created later.
We all know that there can't be day & night without rotation of the earth around the sun so where did the first light come from?[/quote]Hello my dear brother,

On the first question,

The answer to your questions are already treated in the past on the forum. You will need to read much, if you can spend some time. Okay. Kindly look at these two threads, therein are your answers FOR YOUR FIRST QUESTION ONLY. I will look into the other questions if I have time or others can also help you out.

https://www.nairaland.com/976020/why-many-even-bible-scholars#11305508

https://www.nairaland.com/949996/which-light-did-god-create/1

anukulapo: I am not ruling out scripture authority. I am only saying no matter the scripture you try to explain,we won't be at accord because the end of your explaination will be opposite of mine.

I believe with a statement like this coming from you, like you always emphasis, those who're reading us will know whose mind mind is already sealed and those not want to compare scripture with scriptures even 'if' its against their 'believe', it doesn't change anything. Then, I do not have any obligation to even further explain verse by verse which I was going to do, taking out human ideas/assumptions/importation into the text so we can explain the truth of what Paul was saying. I will therefore not waste my precious time BECAUSE WE WON'T BE AT ACCORD AND IT WILL BE OPPOSITE OF YOURS....even if scripture teaches something otherwise to what was handed down in your worship place, it still doesn't matter. Anyway, you just told everyone exactly what's on your mind!

anukulapo: It is simple,direct answers to the questions will be the practice of what you believe from the interpretations you get from the scripture. I am not surprised that you can't give answers to the question raised. By now, many readers must have seen the trend from your post that you can't answer the questions because...

...because what? Why can't you be bold to split out what's on your mind. I have never been fearful of any man in my life. Why are you afraid to talk. Aren't you a Christian that God has not given the spirit of fear? Like you can see from my numerous post - I'm not afraid to mention anyone's name if need be on any thread because I'm not afraid of man whatsoever.

And you want me to answer QUESTIONS that is ALL PENNED DOWN TO WHAT IS OBTAINABLE IN 'MY CHURCH' or what is obtainable in scripture - The same attitude you are demonstrating here in your thread, teaching what is obtainable in your church. Well, many people will think when Apostle Paul ended his discourse in verse 16 of 1 Corinthians 11 by saying, "neither we nor the churches of God has such custom" that EVERYONE OR CHRISTIAN is free to do whatever they like or pleases. I 'think' you fall into that category - I might be wrong in my presumption anyways, forget me if I'm wrong to assume that way.

Apostle Paul by that statement isn't saying anyone can do as they please but rather, we should seek the truth and hold on to it rather than the tradition handed down to us by men. If your pastor had interpreted those passages the way he understands and explained them to the congregation and you've following after, does that make him and his interpretation right? You have displayed not to further search the truth as far as this matter is concerned and that is what you've displayed here and even your questions portrays the same attitude. Asking questions such as it's penned with "in your church" shows your also have what is done "in your own church" also and you just confirmed with statement such as "I am only saying no matter the scripture you try to explain,we won't be at accord because the end of your explaination will be opposite of mine"

anukulapo: Let me not distract you abeg, can you answer the questions and proceed to justifying your stand (the answers to the question) by your biblical explaination? That's fair enought. Otherwise

Okay, lemme prove that I'm bold and not afraid of you or anyone on earth as a human. I boldly declare I'M NOT ANSWERING YOUR QUESTIONS ANYMORE! - This is because they're penned questions into what's obtainable 'in my church'. You keep saying "in my church" because your church too have taken her stand and therefore whatever any other person say or share with you is irrelevant! Again, to tell our readers that I'm not scared of 'related' questions, I WILL STILL BE GLAD TO ANSWER SAME QUESTION IF, AND ONLY IF THEY ARE RE-DIRECTED TO WHAT THE SCRIPTURE SAYS, NOT WHAT IS OBTAINABLE IN MY CHURCH. Do you understand?

For instance, lemme rephrase one of the questions to what the scripture says and let's take it up from there, that is if you still wish to continue this discussion. Your #1 question goes thus:

Do all women in your church have scarfs/veils/hat on all through your worship service in your church? By that i mean is it an obtainable general standard in your church?

The question should NOT be ALL women IN MY CHURCH but rather,

Does the scripture TEACH that all women in your church have scarfs/veils/hat on all through your the worship service in your churchES or PRIVATE? [s]By that i mean is it an obtainable general standard in your church?[/s]

The ones ruled out are uncalled for because it means churches can do as they like. There is also a debate as to weather it should only be in worship places or in private when Apostle Paul taught the mind of God.

Now, you (anukulapo) knows what to do. I'm waiting sweetie! .....indeed "stucked with Goshen360" right?

Pastor Kun: My own small kweshun; fossil records show that the crocodile has existed for over 200 million years in it's current form likewise fossil records also show the dragonfly has not evolved in over 400 million years. They have both been in existence long before the dinosaurs and they remain to this date without evolving. My kweshun is why did evolution forget these two species(amongst several others)? Or are they so advanced that they have reached the zenith of evolution

Gbagaun!!! Won fe s'ojoro like say them no see your kweshun. Egbon mi, e ma gba fun won o,

Logicboy03: Seriously? You were watching and you still asked this question?

Hahahahahahahaha. I laugh so tay I land for Naija and then laugh catch me again so tay I land for yankee again. , rolling on the floor

Logicboy03: @ Frosbel.

Evolution has not stopped. [size=20pt]All animals evolve[/size]

#Hand Raised up, Question signals#

Sir, please sorry for interruption. So how come animals that still evolves has not evolved into human beings if humans actually evolved from animals. How come we don't see that still happening anymore?

I do not mean to derail. You know I'm in the front sit still with my pop corn and my legs crossed.

anukulapo: I am not clear sir . You have been using too many words for just "4" direct questions . Many of the questions just requires a YES/NO (with little explaination like mine as seen from the quote below). Be bold to give your answer with direct and little explaination if need be.


I will be so blessed if you provide direct answers to the questions.

As for this "I WONT ANSWER BASED ON WHAT IS OBTAINABLE IN MY CHURCH BUT WHAT IS OBTAINABLE FROM THE SCRIPTURES..." I reserve my comment till after you have given answers to my questions.

I can't understand why you are so keen or demanding on direct answers without any biblical explanations. Oh, you just want me to say what you want to hear or what you don't like to hear. Anyway, like I said earlier, I will treat this subject with biblical explanation and not what is obtainable in traditions of men.


@ rhemaplus,

I have read what you wrote. However, to 'think' I only lifted verse 15 only and concluded I did private interpretation. Well, I won't put it to you as a quick judgment because you don't know I was gonna handle this thread with verse by verse explanations and then we can learn the truth of weather what has been taught to us was tradition of men or we have to prove the truth by ourselves. I hope you will stay with this thread to the end.

frosbel: I start with mine :

1. Using logic, reason and scientific evidence, kindly trace back to the beginning , the origin of MAN.

2. In your own words, describe how you think human reproductive organs evolved into what it is today

3. If we came from monkeys , how come we still have monkeys around today


Thanks,

Grabbed my pop corn, take a front sit and legs crossed, waiting to be entertained...#Kweshion and Answer mode Activated#

plappville: Na wah oooh....I fear wetin my eyes see this night oooo

I hope our Brodas @bidam and @jeogbage can give us scriptures for this kind healing oooo..

concecration.....or ordination or impartation or anointingNATION or transferring of spirit(s).....Things are happening you know my sister.

^^^
And also, the Spirit of God gives as He wills.

^^^
The Old Testament was ceremonial and it doesn't even follow what that man did. The New Testament follows this pattern from this scripture,

New International Version (©1984)
Do not neglect your gift, which was given you through a prophetic message when the body of elders laid their hands on you.

New Living Translation (©2007)
Do not neglect the spiritual gift you received through the prophecy spoken over you when the elders of the church laid their hands on you.

1 Timothy 4:14

anukulapo: 1) Do all women in your church have scarfs/veils/hat on all through your worship service in your church? By that i mean is it an obtainable general standard in your church?

2) Do all men in your church have hat/cap on all through your worship service in your church? By that i mean is it an obtainable general standard in your church?

3) Do you, Bro Goshen (as a man) always have hat/cap on all through your worship service in your church."

** If your answer to question 3 is NO, please answer question 3b**

3b) Do you sometimes have cap/hat on during or all through the worship service in your church--maybe by a reason of the attire you have on.

I repeat my question from my recent post as number 4.
4) Why then do men in C2 not dress freely and commonly with caps on as it fits their attire? (so that it would be as evident as it is in C1 that women are always on scarfs/hats)

Have mercy on this thread Goshen answer these questions so that i can

I have given a summary or general answer to ALL these your questions in my post above but if you're not clear or satisfied, kindly let me know and answer each questions accordingly in the order you've asked them BUT in that case, if I'm to answer each questions separately (that's if you're not satisfied with the general answer I gave above), I WONT ANSWER BASED ON WHAT IS OBTAINABLE IN MY CHURCH BUT WHAT IS OBTAINABLE FROM THE SCRIPTURES because my church is not the standard but scriptures is; because I can see that all your questions are penned down to what's obtainable in my (church) worship gathering.

anukulapo: This is a never ending story titled "stucked with goshen".

Na applied maths you study for primary school?

this your equation na strong hold oooo Let me attemp it.

1 Corinthians 11:3

Head of man = Christ........equ. 1
Head of women = man.........equ. 2
Head of Christ = God........equ. 3
Now, the verse 15 says "woman have (long) hair to cover her head".............equ. 4

Substituting equation 2 into equation 4, "woman have (long) hair to cover her head man"......Long hair is given to a woman as a cover for her MAN

The new equation will be "woman have (long) hair to cover her man"--- I am still trying to understand this new equation you want me to form from your own logic o....

"Long hair is given to a woman as a cover for her MAN"---Na this your own equation i no come understand. A covering for her husband? like a duvet

..........I laugh so tay I no know when my laughter carry me reach Niaja and before I know it, my laughter carry me back to America.........

I thought you can solve simple equation from the word of God by your logic and C1-C2 religious interpretation. I'm happy I'm not the ONLY one reading and laughing at you. So I gave you clue to solve simple equation but you suddenly became stranded. That's unbelievable! This is because you've NOT accepted what scripture itself says but rather you want to import your own 'assumption' into scripture. Scripture says, women NEED no scarf but you 'assume or import' that since it say women should 'cover their hair', so scripture 'must' be talking about scarf. Thank God we have 'specific' mention of what's meant, people like you will always read 'religious' interpretation into our scriptures.

In fact, I'm even doing my best to explain and stay on this thread against scriptural instruction that, if anyone wants to argue this, neither we (the Apostles) nor the CHURCHES OF GOD have such custom. You can see I'm even going beyond scriptural limits just because I want to honour your thread.

Anyway, take yourself out of the 'religious' interpretation you're giving to that passage because it's not talking about to wear or not to wear physical stuffs such as hat/cap or scarf my women or not to wear because different background of people BY CUSTOM or TRADITION, some do wear and some don't in the bible (E.g, The Jewish Christians wear cap but the Roman Christian don't etc) days BUT Apostle Paul said, the Churches of God and the Apostles DO NOT HAVE SUCH CUSTOM and it shouldn't be an argumentative issue. I'm sure when you start seeing me ministering on T.V and I wear cap/hat while preaching, your 'religious' mind will tell you I'm misleading people such as you have assumed here on this thread right? Anyway, you'll be fine!

anukulapo: @Goshen

You are so cunny in your way. I give it to you. let me say in the part A of solving this issue (the scripture part) you have done excellently (I choose to give it to you).

Now to the part B which is practicing what you preach.

Let me use logic to explain it (so that even athiest and everyother reader;skilled or unskilled in the scripture) can understand my question to you.
Maybe we(rather you) will need the help of logicboy to simplify the logic of what I am asking you .

logic:
If A. Covering=hair
Then B. Covering ≠ cap/veil.
And C. Long hair(covering) = (for) women
So D. Short hair = (for) men

If the above holds true,So it can be established that the issue is not about cap/veil but about long/short hair.

The hair being the covering is the bases for C2 women being free to use veil/hat OR not use veil/hat.

If the above statement be TRUE, and The logical explaination above (A,B,C,D) be TRUE also;

Question 1: Why then do men in C2 not dress freely and commonly with caps on as it fits their attire? (so that it would be as evident as it is in C1 that women are always on scarfs/hats)

Answer this and answer the 4 other question you have refused to answer since ELSE, I also stop responding to your post and leave readers to judge from the quality of our debates.

I cannot but laugh at you and your religious logic again. Again, you accuse me of being cunny and dodging same question you've also refused to answer. In your own words, you just said "Yes, women are still required to wear scarf" which in this case to your C1 religious interpretation of the whole passage BUT scripture specifically say what the covering TO THE HEAD of a woman is. I 'thought' we are to use scriptures-to-explain scriptures but since you have brought in logic and equation, permit me to 'logically and equationly' align scriptures for you - just in case you are still confused by your own very equation(s) and logic. Lemme me confuse you the more by this equation(s) also using same logic and equation(s) by what Apostle Paul gave us at the beginning of that passage to solve the equations/C1-C2 religious interpretation wahala:

1 Corinthians 11:3

Head of man = Christ........equ. 1
Head of women = man.........equ. 2
Head of Christ = God........equ. 3
Now, the verse 15 says "woman have (long) hair to cover her head".............equ. 4

Substitute equation 2 into equation 4, what do you have?......Long hair is given to a woman as a cover for her MAN

This makes logical sense to you right ......

Since you decided to expose yourself and not me exposing you yet; I think it will make logic and equation sense how you come to conclusion that scarf is still needed by women even when scripture says the hair is what's been given to cover her head instead. You will also need to explain how when a man wear cap/hat = wearing it on Christ because from equation (1), the head of man = Christ.

anukulapo: Answer this and answer the 4 other question you have refused to answer since ELSE, I also stop responding to your post and leave readers to judge from the quality of our debates.

And please, I don't want you to run away, leave or stop responding to YOUR OWN thread because it's getting interesting now and I still have more in stock for you. Please don't leave and don't stop responding. This is good stuff, No

The title of your thread says, "Take It Personal...." and I've 'decided' to take it 'personal' now. I hope you'll respect my 'personal decision' to take it 'personal' and also 'honour' your thread. Please don't tell me you want to leave o. I beg you, please stay and let's finish this equationS/C1,C2 issues!

anukulapo: @Brother Goshen,
I am sure that in the course of the many teachings you and other knowledgeable NLder have been dishing, you would have seen people who strain at a gnat and swallow a camel. Well...

I am still shocked at your approach to this thread and the question it raises. I am seeing it as though you have brought yourself out (on this thread) so much that you just can't walk away anymore. So for your sake,I will not answer your prankish question (since you said you would quit the thread if I don"t give my final answer--i want to use this to open a small window of this thread for you to "sneak out" if you want to ).

You are not omniscient you know? and this is a public thread and ofcourse would be on NL's Dbase forever. If you quit,please,leave a "quit note" on your way out and shake another C2 tag team member (preferably brother frosbel) to come and help you C2 out.

I am sure even Logicboy can see the truth in this logical shocking question i posted to you all.

Till I hear from you again.

Cheers

Okay! Since you do not understand my style and perhaps you 'perceive' like I said, I was up to something with this thread. Weather you accuse me of 'thinking' I'm omniscience is your own assumption. You people think you're right in what you know also so there's no point telling another man he thinks he's omniscience.

That being said, let me get to the matter as I take it that you gave your final answer that a woman must still wear scarf or something else to cover her hair. How then do you explain this verse since the bible says something but you are the very one saying something different that scarf is still needed.

King James Version (KJV)
But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.

Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
But wearing long hair is a woman’s honor. Long hair is given to the woman [size=15pt]to cover her head.[/size]

Darby Translation (DARBY)
But woman, if she have long hair, [it is] glory to her; for the long hair is given [to her] in lieu of a veil.

GOD’S WORD Translation (GW)
Doesn’t it teach you that it is a woman’s pride to wear her hair long? Her hair is given to her in place of a covering.

Good News Translation (GNT)
but on a woman it is a thing of beauty. Her long hair has been given her to serve as a covering.

J.B. Phillips New Testament (PHILLIPS)
11-16 Of course, in the sight of God neither “man” nor “woman” has any separate existence. For if woman was made originally for man, no man is now born except by a woman, and both man and woman, like everything else, owe their existence to God. But use your own judgment, do you think it right and proper for a woman to pray to God bare-headed? Isn’t there a natural principle here, that makes us feel that long hair is disgraceful to a man, but of glorious beauty to a woman? We feel this because the long hair is the cover provided by nature for the woman’s head. But if anyone wants to be argumentative about it, I can only say that we and the churches of God generally hold this ruling on the matter.

Knox Bible (KNOX)
when a woman grows her hair long, it is an added grace to her? That is because her hair has been given her to take the place of a veil.

1 Corinthians 11:15

Now, since you claim that someone 'thinks' he is omniscience because he doesn't agree with your 'religious' interpretation of scripture and you said, "Yes, a woman still needs to use scarf to cover her hair" BUT this scripture provided above proves otherwise - so who is lying You or scriptures . I said from the beginning that the passage isn't talking about to wear or not to wear in worship places but you said otherwise in your 'C1 religious' interpretations.

Now, kindly tell us or explain how you come to conclude in your 'C1 religious' interpretation that a woman still need scarf to cover her hair WHEN the scripture INDEED SPECIFIED 'THE HAIR IS GIVEN AS A COVER(ING) FOR HER HEAD

I'm waiting

frosbel: let's not mince words, an atheist is a FOOL !! God says so and I agree .

Yes and I agree also but Logicboy and plaetton say because of that, we theists AUTOMATICALLY hate atheists and Logicboy quoted bible verse and I'm trynna let him define how that verse though says atheists are fool becomes AUTOMATIC verse for theists being hateful.

Logicboy03: Another case of you stretching the argument. Theist > Christian.

Anyhoo, anybody that believes that psalm 14;1 is the innerant word of God is automatically a hater of atheists because that verse clearly says that atheists are evil fools

Okay narrowed down a little bit now. The verse says atheists are fool right. How and where does that verse now says theists AUTOMATICALLY hate atheists because of them saying "there is no God". That is what I want you to define.

Logicboy03: While I dont agree with few things in this post, hateful christians like Goshen and Enigma should learn from this

What! This thread haven't gone too far and we're beginning to know those who are hateful....Not so?

Logicboy03: It is a factual statement, you are told by your bible (which is the word of God) to dislike atheists;


Psalm 14:1
King James Version (KJV)
14 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.

Again, your intellectual reasoning is failing you and falling flat when properly microscoped. How does fact(s) = truth and where in the verse you quoted does it says theists AUTOMATICALLY hate and despise others who reject their beliefs E be like say I get your time today, get ready to be debunked once again.....

Logicboy03: Are adverts for safe sex and condoms evangelism as well?

You stretched the meaning of evangleism and you are claiming that my default postion narrows the definition.


Delusional

You see where you fall flat in logical reasoning? ADVERT = Evangelism I used to think you're smart...

plaetton: @stalwert

Religious people, on the other hand, automatically hate and despise other who reject their beliefs. Not so?
Again, who is the irrational one?

This is untrue! I don't know where you get this from. What kind of statement is this in itself? Hateful or loving statement?

Logicboy03: An atheist cant be evangelical. It would be like saying that telling people that the world is not flat or that santa clause doesnt exist is evvangelical.

Atheism would have to be a religion/philosophy for it to have that merit.

....and you have narrowed definition of evangelism just like you have for slave to servant huh?....Aren't you also evangelical in your Atheism as demonstrated on this forum?....same bullsh.it as usual...

Stalwert: ^
I think the most irritating of all is to see atheists spend all their good time arguing with people they claim believe in fairy tales, I mean it does just make sense, I for one cannot spend my valuable time arguing with an adult who believes in tooth fairy, I mean believe what you want, I don't see how it disturbs, but on the contrary atheists I have seen in the forum spend good time refuting what they call simply fairy tales, that in itself is plain ridiculous indeed unless you guys really have nothings most of the time!

I'm Goshen360 and I ENDORSE your message!

HumbledbYGrace: Iam humbled by the Grace...

I will let the elders be elders then

Thank you my sister. God bless you!

brotherly: Any real deliverance is supposed to be done by appropriating the word of God, However saying that being born again places one above the need for deliverance is not entirely correct. Here in Africa there are a lot of negative spiritual transactions our forebears entered on our behalf without our knowledge, such cases have to be treated specially

New Living Translation (©2007)
My old self has been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me. So I live in this earthly body by trusting in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.

Expanded Bible (EXB)
I was put to death on the cross [ have been crucified] with Christ, and I do not live anymore—it is Christ who lives in me. I still live in my body [flesh], but I live by faith in [or because of the faithfulness of] the Son of God who loved me and gave himself to save me [ for me; on my behalf]. - Galatians 2:20

Do you mean to say, as Christ NOW lives in us as believers as there was a divine exchange at Calvary, you still need deliverance WITH CHRIST THAT LIVES IN YOU and you NO LONGER LIVE TO YOURSELF?

What Christ did on the cross crushed principalities, powers, and spiritual wickedness and disarmed and disgraced all of them, including the ones in Africa. Those in Africa could be stronger than those in Europe, but no power compares to that which emanates from Calvary, so please let us not use the situation of Africa to degrade the power of the cross, it defeated Satan himself, the boss of them all. Whatever you can preach in Africa but cannot preach elsewhere IS NOT THE GOSPEL OF CHRIST, It's traditions of men!

HumbledbYGrace: What do we kids do when your doing this

*squards at the corner*

Don't mind o my sister. Allow us to fix ourselves. We'll soon be done.... . Sure you are enjoying the Grace of God!

Okay, I'm just following the thread.

anukulapo: Maintain the honour you have on NL sir. I think you should just go ahead and answer the question. I am sure many people are waiting on you so as to learn as usual.
If you continue with this beating around the bush approach, then I cannot but agree with image that you are loosing form.

What honour are you talking about? I have no honour aside that which Christ gives to me for no man can receive unless it's given to him. Weather you agree with Image123 or not is NOT the scripture point here. I have said openly I will process to answer your questions so I don't see the point that I'm beating around the bush here. You have always agree with Image123 on this matter anyway, so what's the point. Perhaps you are able to perceive I was going to expose you and Image123 to confirm your answer to my question you already answered except you want to answer for yourself and leave Image123 out of the answer you gave so he too can answer for himself. If you still want me to continue this thread with you and for the last time, I repeat my question:

Goshen360: Is this your FINAL ANSWER or you want to call a friend (In this case, your friend Image123 but we are all friends, brothers and sisters in Christ anyway but Image123 knows I'm never afraid calling his I.D anytime, even bold it, that's the reason I'm being specific about your friend in this case... ); you want to ask the audience; you want to use the lifelines or you want to use your 50/50 chance which is still available for you to re-think your answer. FINAL ANSWER or you want do any of the above

Answer the question and let's process or I quit your thread!

And the above question is in respect to my question asked in which your answer was:

anukulapo: Okay, should a woman put scarf on or not....to cover her hair?

A direct answer to your question as pasted above is [size=20pt]YES![/size], a woman should put scarf on (as you and see evidently in all the C1 churches around you.)

[quote author=August_Rush ]Ok now what's the essence of this thread? In my opinion I sense you are a Christian wwith pride and you also feel you know too much. Do better things with your time,ok? Go and win souls. Why don't you talk about the love of Christ, how God so loved the world that He sent Him to die for sinners for us all. What's the essence of this thread anyway. You are just too religious. You just want to gain an upper hand.[/quote]First, I thank you for such wise words.

Second, as much as I see some good points you have said, let us also take as we are trashing out some issues of our faith perhaps we can expose somethings hidden.

First, I thank God Almighty I came at this time of life and generation because scripture says WE ARE THE CHOSEN GENERATION.

Second, I'm waiting for folks that will come to this thread and tell us this is a 'SPIRITUAL ACT' therefore we cannot speak against 'anointed' man of God or that the man of God has a 'special knowledge' for doing this kind of occult act that we don't have simply because Bishop Wayne T. Jackson said those two men had to 'die and be buried in order to live' to Christ - We ONLY die, buried and raise with Christ through water baptism by immersion and when we die to sin/self that we might live unto Christ - This is scriptural way(s) to 'die in order to live (un)to Christ. Where the heck did these people get these kind of practices from scriptures if not occult. By the way, when people die and are buried, are they buried facing up or down? What kind of madness and ritual is this for God's sake? Our churches need to wake up to the truth of God's word.

This kind of ritual acts is nothing but cult in disguise with the name of church and Christ being used. I hereby call every Christian to stand up to the challenges of our Christian faith because the notorious men described by the Epistle of Jude has infiltrated our Churched. Even in the Old Covenant under the Levitical Priesthood, consecration is NEVER done in such occult manner.

Lastly, before you start to throw stones at me now. Permit me to say, I know this Bishop Jackson very well in Detroit, Michigan in the United State and his Television Network called 'The Impact Network' - http://www.lifestream.tv/impactnational/ You can watch him and see more of his occult practices in the name of 'miracles still happen' programme.