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Adam gave birth to Seth when he was 130 years (Gen 5:3). Between 130 years and 800 years (vs 4), the bible says AFTER he begot Seth....meaning he gave birth to Seth when he was 130 years. Between v3 and v4 when he was 800....time had elasped and the bible says HE (Adam) HAD SONS AND DAUGHTERS. Now, btw Seth at 130 years of Adam and what was recorded in verse 4 is 670 years.....There are sons and daughters in btw this period of 670 years. Cain MUST have married his sister then which is permitted to fulfill "be fruitful and multiply" and before marriage was later defined by God in the law of Moses. |
What was your "own" answer to your friend?.....to start with |
And he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not wither; and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper. Ps. 1:3 kjv |
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^ Yes my brother....I purposely left name calling out of it in order to avoid argument on this thread. One thing with some Christians is that, they cant agree with another Christian that tells the truth even when it is glaring that their pastors is wrong and teaches error of non Apostolic teachings. They will rather defend their pastor than defend the word of God....Contend for the faith NOT contend for your pastor. Words cannot express many revelations and secrets of these MoGs the Holy Spirit revealed to me from the book of Jude. I Still pray God to invade their heart to change before it's too late. |
Pastor Kun: Reports just reaching me indicate that [size=20pt]some crooked Nigerian pastors decided to capitalise on Nigerians' passion for football and fleece off chelsea supporters on account of their 'miraculous' champions league victory.[/size] Kindly let's share our experience on the topic on this thread.Jude 1:16 GOD’S WORD Translation (GW) 16 These people complain, find fault, follow their own desires, say arrogant things, [size=20pt]and flatter people in order to take advantage of them.[/size] These are the "NOW" Apostate men in the body of Christ of our days. |
In my recent studies and exposition from the book of Jude. The Lord opened my eyes the more about the "THEN" and "NOW" Apostate men of our faith. I cannot express the words that were laid in my heart with words. Do you know that Jude, in his epistle actually told us that we should contend for the faith THAT WAS ONCE DELIVERED TO THE SAINTS. And I heard the Holy Spirit say to me, it means to PRESERVE THE TRUTH OF THE FAITH THAT WAS DELIVERED TO THE SAINTS (The Apostles). Why? Because some ungodly men have crept into the our faith (some translations says, crept into our churches) vs 3-4. And their mission is to overturn the grace of God. (You need to read v3-4, 17 of Jude from many translations to see the beauty). These men will preach/teach WHAT THE APOSTLES DID NOT TEACH/PREACH. The fact that something is recorded in the bible doesn't make it a practice for all esp. for Christians. Look at the Characteristic or Profile of the Apostate teachers of THEN and NOW age They are subtle in nature, they "crept in" unnoticed like a worm or serpent (like serpent deceived Eve) (v4) They are ungodly men in nature (v4) They are perverted men that PERVERTS the grace of God (v4) They deny Christ (v4 ). Defile the flesh (v8 ) Reject Authority (v8 ) Blaspheme Holy Angels (v8 ) Dreamers (v8 ) Speaks evil in their ignorant (v10 ) Self corruption/destruction in their sensual/natural knowledge (v10 ) Grumblers/complainers walking according to their own lusts (v16 ) Malcontents and self seeking (v16 ) Flatter people to gain advantage (v16 ) Arrogant speakers (v16 ) Scoffers (v18 ) Sensual men causing divisions (v19 ) Worldly minded (v19 ) Devoid of the Spirit (v19 ) I was encouraged once again from the book of Jude, that we should contend for the faith that was delivered to the saints - The Apostles. We should preserve the Apostolic truth given or handed over to the church. What ever the Apostle did not teach/preach and we see these subtle men teaching it, we should fight with everything within us to fight to preserve the faith. |
^ Thanks. However, we have to study to show yourself approved unto God AND also, like you often quote...we have to prove ALL things. I am not against anybody teaching or preaching anything but like the Berean Church, I will cross check from the word, test and prove such teachings. This is what we should be doing bro. If as giant as Apostle will teach and the Berean Church will still scrutinize his teachings under the lens of the word of God, then who the heck is any MoG that we should not scrutinize and test and prove their teachings under the microscope and lens of the word of God. Kindly send me your email, I will like to send you library study materials if you can afford to buy them. They will ALL help your study life. Send me email to: goshen360@yahoo.co.uk. Thanks and God bless you. |
Horo: This is a miracleNO, IT'S NOT A MIRACLE BECAUSE IT DOESN'T VIOLATE THE NATURAL LAW AND IT'S NOT SUPER-NATURAL |
diluminati: SOMEONE HOLD ME OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH BEFORE I RUN MADDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD![size=15pt]I DEY HOLD YOU IN BLUES AND BY FAITH MY DEAR,LOLZ[/size] ![]() |
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[size=30pt]CHELSEA WINS BY FAITH.......IT IS WRITTEN....DROGBA[/size] |
Atheists: Keep God out of this one. May the better of the two teams win.I didn't mention God oooo, I said..[size=20pt]by FAITH[/size] |
[size=20pt]Chelsea WINS BY FAITH[/size]....in this penalty kick. |
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logicboy: ![]() ![]() ![]() Buzugee, you are in hot seat bro,lolz |
^ ApostlePat, thanks so much. It will be my honour to come bless God's people with God's word in your church. My email is goshen360@yahoo.co.uk. Thanks and God bless you. |
Today, I conclude my exposition on Jude verse One. Those who are sanctified Sanctified (#G37) is an English word from the Greek word – hagiazo rooted in the Greek word – hagios/hagos (#G40) and it means to make holy or make sacred (physically pure and morally/religiously blameless), purify, hallow, consecrated, to venerate, separated from and set apart to/for God. Many things in the Bible are called sanctified. The Sabbath Day was sanctified by God, which meant it was set apart for special service (Gen. 2:3). The Tabernacle and its furniture was set apart as the place of God's presence and for worship (Exod. 29:43, Lev. 8:10). Jesus was sanctified by the Father (John 10:36); food is sanctified when offered in prayer (1 Tim. 4:5). The believer is instructed to sanctify God in his heart (1 Pet. 3:15). Jude says, “Sanctified by God the Father”. Jude states that he is addressing the letter to those "sanctified by God the Father." "Sanctify" means to make holy or to purify and being set apart for God's use and unique service. This is a deep word though it sounds very simple. God is the One that sanctifies the ones He called and He had sanctified them in His Son Jesus. Our sanctification is NOT of our works but by God. When God calls, He also sanctifies and had indeed sanctified. In the use of sanctified with relation to persons, it means to consecrate as being set apart by God and sent by Him for the performance of His will (John 10:36). It is also used in respect to person as devoted, set apart from a COMMON to a SACRED use since in the Jewish ritual; this was one great object of the purifications. (Matt 23:17; 23:19; 2 Tim. 2:21, Lev. 8:10, 30) In 1 Cor. 7:14, “For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband; otherwise your children would be unclean, but now they are holy”. Apostle Paul expanded on the how Christians are sanctified IN or in relationship with Christ to teach same revelation from a marriage covenant of a husband and wife. We (Christians) like our sinful acts are though still called saints because of our relationship with Christ, married or joined with Christ; God called us holy ones, sanctified ones. By the same revelation, Paul explains the sanctification of a believing spouse when married to an unbelieving one. The sanctification (sanctified) here in 1 Cor. 7:14 is the word, hegiastai and it should NOT be confused to mean salvation. It means the unbelieving spouse is set apart on account of the believing partner. The unbeliever comes under a special and direct spiritual influence and benefits from the divine favour in the life of the believing spouse. As long as there is marriage covenant and contact, there is hope that the unbelieving spouse will turn to faith in Jesus Christ. The revelation here is that, in such marriage covenant, the believing spouse is NOT defiled by the unbeliever; rather the unbeliever is sanctified by the believer. God consecrated, sanctified and sent Christ Jesus into the world (John 10:36) Jesus set apart Himself (devoting) to the redemption of his people (John 17:19) Believers are set apart for God (Acts 10:32; Rom. 15:16) Believers or Christians are to set themselves apart or separate themselves from the world in our behavior – by the Father through the word (John 17:17-19) Believers are also sanctified by faith in Christ (Acts 26:18 ) We are also sanctified by/in the Holy Spirit (Romans 15:16) We are also to cleanse ourselves from iniquity, lusts and set ourselves apart, sanctified for the Master’s use (2 Timothy 2:21) We are called brethren of Christ because we are sanctified (Hebrews 2:11) Our sanctification had perfected us through the sacrificial offering of Christ (Hebrews 10:14) Sanctification as being set apart from sin unto God has three aspects and is distinctly different, and each refers to time. A believer has past, present, and future sanctification. Every Christian can say, "I have been sanctified; I am being sanctified; I will yet be sanctified." PAST SANCTIFICATION means the believer, when he was saved, was positionally set apart in Christ (Acts 20:32; 1 Cor. 1:2; 1:30; 6:9-11; Heb. 10:10, 14). At the new birth, every believer is eternally sanctified in Christ and is brought from the power of the devil into the family of God (John 1:14; Gal. 4:4-6), from the devil's kingdom into Christ's kingdom (Col. 1:12, 13); from the old creation into the new creation (2 Cor. 5:17). This sanctification is an eternal reality, based one's new spiritual position the Christian has in Jesus Christ. The Corinthian believers were far from sinless, yet they were called saints and were said to have been sanctified (1 Cor. 1:2, 30). In this sense, the Christian can say, "I AM sanctified in Christ" referring to when he believed. PRESENT SANCTIFICATION is the process by which the Holy Spirit gradually changes the believer's life to give victory over sin. This is practical sanctification, that refers to Christian growth and maturity in putting away sin in one's life and putting on godliness (Rom. 6:19, 22; 1 Thess. 4:3, 4; 1 Pet. 1:14-16). This present process of sanctification never ends in this life (1 John 1:8-10). The Christian must resist while he is in this world till death or at the return of Christ. In this sense, the Christian can say, "I AM BEING sanctified by God's power." FUTURE SANCTIFICATION is the perfection the believer will enjoy at the resurrection (1 Thess. 5:23). When a believer dies and is resurrected he will receive a new body without the old nature to sin. Therefore, Christians after death and the resurrection will no longer have to resist sin having received God's perfection. Sanctification will be completed. He will be set apart forever to God from sin. Christians or believers are SANCTIFIED “IN” (not “OUT”) Christ Jesus. (1 Cor. 1:2, Heb 10:10,14) which is known as our designation whereby we are called “saints, sanctified ones, set apart ones, consecrated ones, holy ones etc”. Therefore, our sainthood and/or sanctification are NOT an attainment or attainable state. It is a state already attained (as we are already sanctified) when we come to Christ and remain IN Christ in which God, through Grace calls sinful men and in which they begin their course and continue as Christians (Col. 3:12; Heb 3:1). Those who are preserved Preserved (# G5083) is from the Greek word – tereo with its root from teros. It means to guard from loss or injury, properly by keeping the eye upon; it means to preserve and preserve means to keep in an unaltered condition or maintain unchanged; to prevent from decaying and spoiling; to keep or maintain intact. There is an inheritance to them that are called, sanctified in the third aspect they are preserved. Our preservation is complete and total. The complete man (spirit, soul and body) is preserved in Christ. One of the main reason believers are preserved “blameless” in Christ is for the second coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 1 Thess. 5:23, Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. This is the heritage of them that are called and sanctified. They are also preserved till the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Believers, who are called, sanctified and then preserved according to Jude. This is the heritage of the servants or bondservants of God in Christ Jesus. He that had called us also sanctifies us and preserves us for His eternal glory. To be called is to be called IN JESUS CHRIST. To be sanctified is to be sanctified IN JESUS CHRIST and to be preserved is to be PRESERVED IN, not OUT of JESUS CHRIST. I believe the Holy Spirit will permanent these words in our heart in Jesus Name - Amen. God bless you all. |
buzugee: this aint about heresy. this is about dispelling myths, lies, fabrications, and errors in the scriptures. thats what this here mission is about. i am sick and tired of belligerent pugnacious nincompoops like yourself twisting and bending scriptures to suit a religious agenda of keeping people subservient and scaredBuzugee, It's now I understand your point based on the highlighted in red. You are right in respect of the highlighted in red above but I think it's your presentation at times you need to work on. Okay. |
buzugee: you are right. it is not about israel but about mankind. but the lord does not deal with all mankind. he is about exclusivity when it comes to working. he works through a nation to get to the rest. so you are right, it is about mankind. however he gets to mankind through israel and has to ensure his working relationship with israel is perfect. and if israel is as stiff necked and rebellious as can be and steeped in sin, which means they are spiritually dead, he cant work through that. what is he to do ? atone for israels sins so he can continue to work through them on behalf of the world. he did this by getting someone from the lineage of israel to atone for their sins. so thats why christ died for israel and not the rest of the world. cuz God aint working through the rest of the world. buzugee: he will save his people ( his people being israelites. he himself is from the tribe of judah ). his people are the priority. lord only works with israelites ( psalms 147 vs 19 and 20 ). he is trying to get to the whole world but he works through a people. this is one of the modus operandi of our lord. he works through a nation to get to the rest. the chosen nation is israel. if israel is in darkness because of their sins, he cant continue his work through them to get to the rest of the world. what does he do ? look for a way to atone for their sins so he can continue his work. of course the big picture is that his work is for the whole world. i didnt say his work is strictly for israel. however he deals only with israel. hence why the sacrificial lamb had to come out of the tribe of israel, judah to be xact. there is a method to the way the lord works. yall gotta decipher these methods. only then will the bible make sense.But you are contradicting yourself. If you agree that God worked through Israel and NOW that God HAD ALREADY DONE that, He had already worked through Israel, how can you then say Jesus did not die to forgive us our sins? |
@ Buzugee, I know where you are coming from. However, you are missing one thing. When you do a thread like this, you are suppose to look at the length and breath of the whole matter. Yes, Jesus came for Israel and Israel are "HIS" people BUT God is looking beyond Israel. How? I will give you an assignment to go study the whole of Romans 9,10,and 11. Study everything and see how we are en-grafted into God's salvation plan. Beside, how do you interpret these verse in respect to Matt.1:21 and John 1:11-13 (Nkjv) and I quote, "And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name JESUS, for He will save His people from their sins." AND He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. John 1:11-13 HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THESE VERSES FIRST THEN WE CAN GO TO ROMANS CHAPTER 9-11 LATER. |
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When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him. Matt 3:16 Nkjv People say things they cannot establish in the word of God and that the word of God didn't say. Where is it found in the word of God that one is under closed heaven if he/she didn't tithe?. I didn't see Jesus tithe and yet, heavenS (Not even one heaven, plural) were opened to him. |
Still expanding on Jude verse one, Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, [and] called: (KJV). Jude, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to those who are called, sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ: (NKJV). Recipients of this epistle are: 1. Those who are called 2. Those who are sanctified and 3. Those who are preserved Those who are called Called (# G2822) is from the Greek word kletos and its root in (#G2821 – Klesis) means invited, appointed, welcomed, to be called, summoned. It is originally used to designate those invited to a banquet (1 king 1:41, 49; Matt 20:16, 22:14). It is also used particularly of the divine call to partake of the blessings of the redemption (Rom 8:30; 1 Cor. 1:9; 1 Thess. 2:12; Heb. 9:15). The word "kletos" that refers to one(s) who is invited, summoned, welcomed and appointed. Every Christian are those that are called and part of this epistle are written to. The saved, (as many as believed) the ones that had answered the calling of Salvation of Jesus Christ and voluntarily given themselves to the service of the kingdom of God. (1 John 3:11). We (Christians) are the CALLED ones by the name of CHRIST. The word of God says, If my people who are CALLED by my name (2 Chronicles 7:14). The word, Christian is derived from the name, Christ. We are CALLED after Christ, through Christ and in Christ. (Rom. 1:6). 1 Peter 2:9 says, we have been called out of darkness and the world into the marvelous light of God. But you [are] a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; We are also called to be saints. The word for saint is commonly translated “holy”, the root meaning being “different”. To be called to be a saint is to be called to be different, i.e., different from the world; with holy values. (Rom. 1:7; I Cor. 1:2; 1 Pet 1:15; 1 Thess. 4:7). We (believers) are also called according to the purpose of God. God has a plan and purpose for every person who accepts Christ. No Christian can say “I can’t do anything”; because God uses our weakness to display His power. God has prepared a task and a purpose for all those He calls. (Rom. 8:28 ). We are called into the fellowship of His son, Jesus our Lord (1 Cor. 1:9) There is no difference of tribe or nationality among the called ones in Christ Jesus (Rom. 9:24; 1 Cor. 1:24) A called to a special office or assignment within the body of Christ. (1 Cor. 1:1; Rom. 1:1, 1 Cor. 7:15-24) We are called by/ through the grace of God and through the gospel and NOT by works neither are we to take credit or honour for our calling. We are also called by God’s glory (Gal 1: 15; 2 Thess. 2:14; 2 Tim. 1:9; Heb. 5:4; 2 Pet 1:3) We are called to fight the good fight of faith and lay hold on eternal life. (1 Tim. 6:12) We are called to receive and inherit the promise of eternal inheritance and blessings and into eternal glory. (Heb. 9: 15; 1 Pet 3: 9; 1 Pet 5:10) We are called to be a friend of God like Abraham. (James 2: 23) We are called to suffer in the like or model of Christ. (1 Pet. 2: 21) Those who are called to the blessed marriage of the Lamb will be called the true words of God. (Rev. 19:9) (to be continue) |
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Image123: Q.10Thank you Image123. I will comment if need be or hopefully another time when we talk about tithe again. What I have seen with you and other tithe teachers so far is THE MIXTURE OF PRE-LAW TITHE AND LAW TITHE. When asked tough questions, you jump to pre-law and blend or mix your answers with the law tithing. You cannot give a standalone answer strictly on the pre-law tithe which you claim its basis of tithing. That is the area my questions are pointing to recently. I hope you re-visit this topic like someone advice you and less I forget, it's not about the money to tithe or not to tithe; it's about the twisted tithe teachings. When we test or prove ALL things concerning tithe, you will see that it does not and cannot stand alone (pre-law and law tithe) without mixing both together and I honestly believe the reason why tithe teachings should stop because we are still mixing law tithe with pre-law and hence such tithers are under curse as per Gal 3:10. I pray the Lord help you understand this my brother. |
@ Image123, Q.10 (a) Do we have example(s) of people tithing from their "income" in the bible? (b) How and Where does the bible defined the "church" as the "storehouse"? (c) How does "storehouse" in Malachi translate or correspond with tithe giving of Abram to Melchizedek in Gen. 14? (d) Is Melchizedek in Gen. 14 a "Storehouse" where modern tithe is taken to? |
^ Why? You wan answer and run away after Q10 abi. Bros, Abeg cool down. You will finish what you started in Jesus Name. |
Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, [and] called: (KJV). Jude, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to those who are called, sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ: (NKJV). Again, another question would then arise, If he (Judas or Jude) the writer of the Epistle of Jude is the half brother of Jesus and also the brother of James as he identified himself as we have expanded already; why would he, the writer then call himself the “Servant or bondservant of Jesus Christ?” First, I believe he used the phrase, “bondservant of Jesus Christ” in regards to the giving of his "will" to the service of Jesus Christ, not his half brother looking beyond just a half brother. (we will define this below) Second, I believe he did that out of humility in his servitude to Jesus Christ. To Jude, it is more honorable and humble to address himself as a servant or bondservant in the service of Jesus Christ rather than to popularize his family ties to Jesus Christ. Third, the kingdom of God is NOT an earthly family affair even though members of the same earthly family can be involved in the same ministry or serve in the same ministry in their service to God but it is not exclusively a particular earthly family inheritance. This revelation of Jude calling himself the servant/bondservant of Jesus Christ instead of half brother of Jesus Christ must have been from his encounter of Jesus and his fleshly family in Mark 3:31-35, Then His brothers and His mother came, and standing outside they sent to Him, calling Him. And a multitude was sitting around Him; and they said to Him, "Look, Your mother and Your brothers are outside seeking You." But He answered them, saying, "Who is My mother, or My brothers?" And He looked around in a circle at those who sat about Him, and said, "Here are My mother and My brothers! “For whoever does the will of God is My brother and My sister and mother" “the servant” (KJV) or “a bondservant” (NKJV) of Jesus Christ. Servant (# G1401) is the English word translated from the Greek word “doulos” means - a slave, bond, bondman and servant with its root word in # G1210, deo; which means - to bind; to be in bond, knit, tie, and wind. It is used voluntarily or involuntarily, literally or figuratively and frequently in a qualified sense of subjection or subservience to servitude. Servitude means hard labour done by a servant or conscripted workers. Servitude is the same Hebrew translated as English word, “service”. Hence, a bondservant is a servant bond to or tied to something or master. A slave or servant is one who is in a permanent or temporary bond/tie of relation of servitude to another, his "will" being altogether consumed in the "will" of the other/master. Generally, one who is serving is bound to serve. The word slave or servant is applicable in these four ways: 1. A slave or servant as spoken of literally involuntary service. That is, a slave as opposed to a free man. 1 Cor. 7:21; Gal. 3:28; Col 3:11. 2. It is also used metaphorically spoken of voluntary service. A servant here is implying obedience and devotion to a master (John 15:15; Rom. 6:16). It is also used as spoken of a voluntary of true followers and worshipers of God i.e. servant of God (Rom. 1:1; Gal 1:10; 2 Pet. 1:1). 3. It is also used as a giving of one's self to something he/she is addicted to (Roma. 6:16-17; John 8:34; 2 Pet 2:19) 4. It is also used in the sense of minister, attendant as spoken of the officers of an oriental court. (Matt 18:23, 26-28,32; 22:3-10) Therefore, we can say that Jude in context here did not imply an “involuntary” definition of the word, “servant or bondservant” since he now believed in Jesus Christ, his half brother (Acts 1: 13-14) and gave himself to the service of Jesus Christ. He did not identify himself as the half brother of Jesus but rather as servant or bondservant who had given himself to the service of Christ. He is tied to; he was in bond with/to Jesus Christ. He gave himself as a servant to be used by Jesus Christ in the service of the kingdom of God. This is the true sense of our servitude and voluntary service to God as a true followers and worshipers of God. Hence we are also called and can boldly call ourselves, “the servants or bondservants" of Jesus Christ because we have given ourselves by “our will” to the use of Jesus Christ in the kingdom of our dear God. |
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