₦airaland Forum

vooks:
My broda,
I think demand fuels supply. There is such a serious demand for this garbage which explains why any fool with a mouth is in business. Why do we demand this? It is the flesh that can't stand a 1 hour bible study but can afford a 24hr demon interrogation

You eh, you too get skills. ...

Rick9:
You should have asked me why asked the question, well its because of the way you reason , ur reasoning is far above human comprehension, u apply logical rules in reasoning that's why most nairalanders are finding it very difficult to understand you, only a Philosopher can reason the way you reason.

Aww, thanks for the compliment my brother.

Rick9:
@ Goshen360 sir are you a Philosopher ?

Maybe, a YES!

A Philosopher of the Grace of God though.

We're going to walk this walk together. I'm so busy but trying to find enough time to write intensive teach teaching so I will adopt another method - I'll try split it up. First, let us begin with what prophecy is and what it is not.

PropheCy - This is what is being spoken

PropheSy - The ACT or VERB of speaking.

The word, prophesy is the Greek, prophēteuō (pro, "forth," phēteuō "to speak" which mean "the declaration of or speaking forth of the mind, will and counsel of God ". It is not necessarily nor primarily fore-telling nor prediction but a declaration of that which cannot be known by natural means except by the Spirit of God - 2 Peter 1:21

Also, we need to understand is, there is a huge difference between prophecies in the OT as some of them appears to be sometimes predictions or fore-telling vs prophecies in the NT as the prophecies in the NT are mainly to speak forth or declare the divine will and purpose of God in an inspired preaching and teaching. This is because, the OT prophets functioned in the prophetic OFFICE (because Christ had not yet come to give gifts unto men) while the NT prophets is a GIFT resurrected and ascended Christ. An office is a position you occupy for a reason, purpose and time but a gift is what is given unto to you which remains with you nor can it be taken back.

The Abuse of The Gift Of Prophet

Today, many head of assemblies\churches especially in Nigeria abuse the gift of prophets of the NT, using it to make educated guess and predictions which has nothing whatsoever to do with faith and the gifts to the body of Christ and nobody calling these men out. The church today is comfort with lies and prediction gambling from these men from the pulpit. The NT never in one single verse used the gift of prophet to make any fallacious predictions to the church of Christ rather it was functionally used to declare the divine will and purpose of God in an inspired preaching and teaching and also it is to:

1 - Believers; edify, comfort and encourage. 1 Cor. 14:3.

2 - Unbelievers; show that the secrets of a man's heart are known to God, convict of sin constrain to worship. 1 Cor. 14:24 - 25.

Like the Bereans, we need to ask, where does these men get the idea of using the gift of prophet to make yearly predictions that never come to past?

. . . to be continue

christemmbassey:
trouble de sleep. Yanger go wake am! It depends, if its fore-telling, na confusion in d market, but if its forth-telling na manipulation, and its allowed.. It is well sir.

Man of God, happy new year. I'm still trying to find little time to put my thoughts together on these yearly "kalo-kalo" system that is in vogue now. And the people are now used to lies, wanting to hear year "fore - telling" in the name of prophecies as we're running a herbalist movement.

One of them said, Obama will try run a third time and tears filled my heart for Nigeria. ...say e go happen for America? We seriously need an emergency to save the church from the grip of these unlearned men twisting scripture for their own destruction.

@ truthislight,

I wish you had answered those questions as they were laid out but it's okay if you choose not to. But it would have helped our discussion or the thread or the OP.

truthislight:
The book of Hebrews was addressed to the Hebrews showing them the superiority of the christian' way as against that of Judaism that was still in practice then.

Did I hear you say it was still in practice then? And you told me show evidence but said the same thing it was still in practice then. Any bible student knows those people were still practicing things as of old, hence the correction from the Author.

2. From other things you wrote, I'm not advocating lifestyle continous practice of sin GOD FORBID I TEACH SUCH RATHER WE SHOULD ALL STRIVE TO BE BETTER AND LEARN FROM OUR MISTAKES but here are my questions for you AS A PERSON. ...and we can use your answer to judge many other christians.

A. Since you became a Christian, have you stopped sinning?

B. If you say that scripture is addressing "continuous practice" of sin, have you committed one particular sin TWICE or THRICE since you became a Christian?

B1. If your answer to B above is yes, can you consider yourself as "willfully practicing" sin? since you committed same sin more than once.

C. What sin is there that you committed that is not deliberate or thoughtful or involving your will?

D. Will God forgive these your "willful sin" as in C above?

akudinaobi:
Hope u are fine upstair
ODM is organising a one night anointing vigil
And I was asking why must we fast for 21 days and you are here talking trash
Ndi mmadu
Who anoint me
Where and when
Mtcheeeeew

Maybe you will be alone on your thread if you're going to throw insult at me. I don't tolerate that bro.

akudinaobi:
How important is this one particlar night to us
Fellow our daily manner readers pls put us through
I want to know why I must fast

1 - Your initial OP never mentioned anything about 21 days specifically except for just "fast"

2. I was addressing the biblical truth that, every Christian is already anointed hence no need for an anointing vigil which which you started the thread for.

3. Maybe nobody anointed you but if you are Christian, you don't need nobody to anoint you like the old ritual ways, you're anointed by the Spirit and when? When you are born again by the Spirit! It is not the old physical oil.

truthislight:
Show Evidence at least that those Christians reference there were still making Animal Sacrifice, that such led to paul addressing them specifically and not binding on other Christians/Jews and none Jews Christians not guilty of such offence.

It's very simple my brother. Something is going on that calls for the LETTER TO THE HEBREWS itself AS A CORRECTION LETTER and that's what the whole book is addressing not only sacrifices for sin. From old high priest to Christ being our high priest, to types and shadows vs Christ being the substance etc. Chapter 10 from verse one is an evidence by itself. Its began with the old sacrificial system for sins etc and entered the correction mode, if there wasn't an on-going old ways in the Judaism, there will be no need for letters to the Hebrews. So, we, non-Jewish Christians, we know and learn by that not to go in their ways because they were doing it and its already being corrected.

truthislight:
1 - Address the question in the light of what she posted and don't talk into the scripture.

2 - If you feel there are other scriptures bearing on the scripture she posted, please, bring it up.

3 - We all know that Hebrews was written to the Hebrew Christians, should that make it less significant to none Jewish Christians? hence, address the question directly and don't speak into it.

1 - Again, what I'm correcting here is context. YOU, YOURSELF, take that verse as it is and reading it as a single verse. Off course, it will something different entirely. BUT, read it in context, then you might make a meaning out of it. Again, her questions were,

Does this mean that God will not forgive wilful sin? If yes then why are we told that Christ paid for the sins we will commit in future? without specifying if it be wilfully or not.

a - God will forgive our (day-to-day) sins because right from Adam, every sin is deliberate and God knows we will commit them but we find a perfect sacrifice in Christ ONCE AND FOR ALL TIMES.

b - All sins, past, present and future are all forgiven in Christ. When Christ offered himself as a perfect sacrifice for sins of the world, all sins are in the future tense because while we were yet sinners, Christ died for our sins and the sins of the world.

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For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

2 - As per your second point, we have to first see what that verse in context is talking about before we can address a lot of things raising questions therein. I stand by the context that the "willful sin" is reference to willingly offering of sacrifices for sin WHICH IS THEIR WILLFUL SIN. Now, if some says, no, it is talking about our day to day sins, then the question will be. Which man, for instance doesn't know from childhood that stealing is wrong? or which man doesn't know that killing is wrong? or which man doesn't know sleeping with another man's wife is wrong etc? Does that mean God will not forgive such man? I don't think so! So, the phrase\sentence "...after that we have received the knowledge of the truth..." is not in reference to knowledge from childhood as everyone knows stealing is wrong, killing is wrong etc but a reference to THEIR KNOWLEDGE OF THE PERFECT SACRIFICE OF CHRIST FOR SINS but they are still deliberately or willingly offering sacrifices for sin WHICH IS THEIR WILLFUL SIN after their knowledge of truth.

b - ...there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins.

Is a finishing line for the beginning of the verse and and the context BECAUSE OF THE ONCE AND FOR ALL TIMES OR PERFECT SACRIFICE OF CHRIST FOR SINS. This line, apart from or in context even shows there was still on going sacrifices being made for sins, hence the statement. Other scriptures? Hebrews 9:26, 7:27, 9:12, 1 Peter 3:18 amongst many.

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3 - I'm not saying it is less addressing us as non-Jewish Christians. I only made that statement to show that some people, that is the Jewish Christians were doing something wrong after they have come to Christ\knowledge of truth and hence, the letter to the Hebrews correcting their errors\mistakes. That's what the whole book of Hebrews is all about - Change! From old to new and from rituals to Christ, from types\shadows to substance etc so that we, reading such will know its already corrected and don't make or keep making same mistakes.

truthislight:
Did you forgot the question of the OP?

And what do you think your answer is addressing from that your post in relation to her initial question?

I answered what she was asking in her initial post. Maybe you didn't catch it. Her question was,

Does this mean that God will not forgive wilful sin? If yes then why are we told that Christ paid for the sins we will commit in future? without specifying if it be wilfully or not.

and my response was,

...but it's not saying God will not forgive or the sacrifice of Christ didn't cover "deliberate or willful" sins.

PLUS, my answer was addressing the context or the verse as many people had taken it out of context and gave a wrong meaning to it. Read from verse, that verse had been talking about sin offering or sacrifice for sin. The "willful sin" in that verse is still in reference to what the context had been talking about from the beginning - sin offerings or sacrifice for sins. That is, their willful offering of sacrifice for sin IS THEIR SIN they are committing willing or will-fulling.

If that verse is talking about our sins that we commit, then we have a problem. The problem is, tell me one sin that you and I commit that doesn't go through our will or thought or deliberate? And I gave examples. I am not the one reading into scripture, we have to let that verse in context as many folks\organizations are doing as seen on this forum.

Meaning, you don't need one night anointing vigil to do anything for you. You're already anointed and the anointing you received remain in you.

I am what I am BECAUSE of His Grace, not by how much I try. It is not me, but Christ that works in me.

...coming soon. ..

Is God the author of confusion? Why do we have different prophecies contradicting one another from the same God by different head of assemblies year in, year out? Does the new testament teach such predictions as it was of the old covenant or these men are plainly confused? What does it mean in the new covenant to prohesy? These and many more we'll be looking into.

truthislight:
@Goshen, What are you unto with the above?

I don't understand you o. More light please.

christemmbassey:
bros, I've never read such 'trash' @Sukkot need to start from a b c. Happy new year!

Happy new year my man of God. Grace be multiplied unto you sir.

I'll contribute in details when I have much time. However, the verse is talking to the Jewish apostates but it's not saying God will not forgive or the sacrifice of Christ didn't cover "deliberate or willful" sins.

Think about it, which sin that we commit is not involving your will or deliberation? Are you saying, someone who stole just suddenly found another person's item in his hands without a deliberate or wilful process? Or someone who committed adultery just suddenly found himself doing and then disappear? Or someone who lied never thought about it, just found himself lying?

It was written to Jewish community who AFTER the knowledge of Christ or truth (being the perfect sacrifice for sin or sin offering) BUT THEY ARE STILL OFFERING SACRIFICES FOR SIN....There remains no more sacrifice after the once and for all times Christ offered.

When that verse is read in context, it will mean a different thing which is what the verse is talking about. But if it's quoted as a single version, it will mean a different thing just like the usual religious interpretations we read with how that verse has been abused.

sukkot:
christ did not die for your sins. thats religious nonsense. christ died for the sins of the saints aka the lost sheep of the tribe of israel. the 144 k. that verse is for the saints. the saints sins were forgiven but subsequent sins will be counted. this was during the first coming. THE BIBLE IS A BOOK OF THE PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE. THAT PART OF THE BIBLE IS THE PAST.

now you yourself ? you will always pay for your sins. do you fall sick ? do you know people in church who get killed in car accident ? who lose their job, who get hot water thrown on them ? who get maimed in car accidents ? who catch cancer ? etc etc ? all these are judgements. that shows your sins are not forgiven. you will always pay for your sins. you need to get out of this lies that pastors have told you. a well known pastor i know died in a plane crash, myles munroe. if his sins are forgiven and paid by christ why did he die in a plane crash ? hmmm. ALL THE EVIL YOU DO YOU WILL PAY FOR. TRUST ME

MATTHEW 15 VS 24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” <<< ONLY THE SAINTS WAS HE SENT TO DURING THE FIRST COMING.

Always talking trash as usual. ... . Change as new year dey come o.

Babe2sure:
Mine are:
1) It must be a bible believing church.
2) I can't attend a church where it is forbidden to put on earrings.
3) Denomination also matters.

1. All are bible believing. What you believing in the bible is what differentiate between just believing because something is in the bible and sound doctrine. Right believing produce right results.

2. In reference to my #1, the ones that forbid putting on earrings also got their back up scripture from the same bible? Sound doctrine is the way

3. No comments on that. ...

GooseBaba:
Ahhh, Bros why you dey swear for the guy na...?? What did he ever do to you...

sonOfLucifer:
Happy New year in advance bro. How body?

Same to you too. I wish above all things that you will come to this other side in the coming year.

Great word!

However, you concluded wrongly. And also, tolugar is right. We all learn from one another. Once again, great words.

Many things some pastors say to put fear in Christians but has not biblical basis or backup whatsoever. As much as I don't encourage a reckless lifestyle, many things said in the message has no biblical backup. Be a Berean, study hard on the word of God. God help you!

O ya pe oruko Jesu l'emeta, ina emi mimo l'emeje, ara orun o....as if the church is a shrine.... . How did we get to this point in the "Nigeria kind' of churchianity?

vooks in action!



O ya, confirm witches and wizards, you sure of yourself. ..make una show face o. We're about to witness something on this mountain

I watched this one time ago and I felt it was so real and revealing.

PastorOluT:
Hmm, I am surprise this question is coming from u?

Anyways, it is simply to change the way u think and act in relation to ur former ways.

Compliment of the season bro

Sure, you know I asked for a reason. But you got the reply in right perspective.

Compliment of the season to you too brother.

Hi, PastorOluT,

What does it mean to repent?

anukulapo:
Open scam. Mike been milking the flock since whenever.

The guy ehh, na first class he earn....hook and bait gospel. ..

domopps:
The same question was asked when God built us 50,000 capacity not even in the town which was against all church growing concept and God himself perfected it as early as 6 :AM human traffic has started in canaaland and I blv u and I now know that Canaanland is more than point of reference worldwide.....so the same God who perfected the last one would do the same this time around cos he said I will build my church and gate of hell will not prevail.........so bro if God says it he will surely do it!


Plus the idea is to reduce the num of services, psts would have to do lesser work and God's ppl would have more than enof space to worship and camp during the yearly encounter with destiny proggrame. (SHILOH) and lastly because we are already in a revival.......

Bro I antagonized more than you used to hate everything abt winners chapel their psts and their enormous wealth base on my former blv and my background but only one encounter with God through God's servant changed the story and if you try to go closer to Bishop David Oyedepo then you would no everything abt him is opp of what you, me and every other ppl are saying abt him cos he is operating in Super natural which ordinary human context can't really explain.......



Cheeeeers

You can't tell me about the living faith church. I was once a member but left when I sat with the word and discovered the truth by myself. I do understand everything you saying about the idea behind the building and the need for bigger space but you're still repeating same thing over and over again without addressing the issue I'm questioning.

How will 100,000 capacity new building accommodate about 500,000 worshippers even with overflow?