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Bidam: You are trying toooo hard at finding faults where there is none..Go learn from spurgeon,wesely and graham how they preach the gospel.

Ubenedictus: amen 1tim 1,8 shows us the right way to use the law and ola got it right.

Joshthefirst: but the preaching of the law in the gospel convicts the sinner of his sins, not so?

Sin which is the breaking of the law.
And repentance based on grace which is God not inputing the punishment of your sins on you since Jesus has died and resurrected?

I thought being saved had foremost evidence in repentance from sin?

Gombs:
You don't get d point do you?

Goshen saiD there is NO place in the New Testament where there was a full time pastor


He is yet to tell me John and Peter's trade or Timothy's etc

Ubenedictus: careful goshen, ola is right. Paul was very clear about the use of the ten commandment, it is a very good lesson for the sinner, the gospel of grace is for the believer not for the sinner who has no consciousness of sin.

ajayikayod: Great, agreed. But dt support for new creation leaders doesnt mean tithe.

OLAADEGBU: "I don’t feel guilty"

People often don’t feel guilty when they sin because they have "seared" their conscience. They have removed the batteries from the smoke detector of their conscience, so that they can sin without interruption. The way to resurrect a deadened conscience is to go through each of the Ten Commandments, reminding the person that they know that it’s wrong to lie, steal, commit adultery, etc. Always preach the Law along with future punishment, then pray that the Holy Spirit will come upon them and cause them to be convicted of sin, righteousness, and judgment to come.

"Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron" (1 Timothy 4:2) The Evidence Bible.

Gombs: You have time now?

Oya answer why you said Melchizedek is long dead and another place you said he is a priest forever

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Gombs: You never wash beans first, yet you come dey percive the smell of moi moi


Start giving the 10% first, after that, the answer to the other 90% would fall in place.

Let me don't remove my unwashed teeth outside o! Time don dey reach for anti tithers to switch to plan B!

cautious: @ op,
That we are saved and in church doesn't mean we seal our minds from reasoning and constructing valuable thoughts when we seek to discuss spiritual matters. In Christ is simplicity and Life, not a set of rules that scare people about hell. Hell is real, no doubt, but it is not for God's children. Your statement that Born Again Christians will end up in hell over hair thread turns scripture upside town. Have you not read where Jesus clearly told the Pharisees that NOTHING that goes into a man can defile a man. Ok, 'he was talking about food', I hear you say in defence of your theology. If food doesn't defile, what makes you think hair thread defiles the spirit of a man?
Let me be clear - the blood of Jesus is the qualifying criteria for eternal life. Mundane things like hair attachments do not stand in the way of the blood. Even if we focus on the law, let's look at the weightier matters of the law (what lawyers term 'the spirit of the law') - matters of Justice, mercy and faith!

Gombs: Yeah! After Bidam resurrected his thread where he wants us to give 1k to help build churches in the North...and help Christians thr....I've not been noticing him around!

He was sore Bidam raised the thread up!



Kunle has been a lot careful not to shoot his foot. All anti tithers have shot themselves on the foot, esp Goshen. It's almost like Goshen shoots his leg for sport

Gombs:
You can't even give 10% sef, why worry about the remaining 90%?

Why didn't Abraham give 50% why did moses after 400years did not say 5% or 2%...but 10%?

Gombs:
You can't even give 10% sef, why worry about the remaining 90%?

Why didn't Abraham give 50% why did moses after 400years did not say 5% or 2%...but 10%?

Kenny4lyfe: #Antithers be like:

guiddoti: I'm not here to debate on this issue. I will try and answer your questions
1. Tithing is a commandment with promise. And, if a pastor is not a full time, and has other income, the best scene for him, is to completely use the money for gospel activities without taken a penny, in as much as the pastor has income. It may interest you to know that pastors also pay tithes. So, the money must be wisely used. Pastors will give an account of it on the day of judgement. All the apostles are full time workers. Peter was a fisherman when Jesus called him. Peter never went back fishing.
2. Tithing was never abolished. What was abolished, is just killing of animals, for remission of sin. Jesus came to add to the laws.
3. Who was the bible written to? All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: that the man of God(christian) may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works. Bible is symbolic. I had earlier said that the people at that time are majorly farmers. So what can a farmer brings if not crops. Try and understand how bible uses words. Jesus spoke in parables.
My prayers always are: Lord make your word simple before my eyes. Lord make me see sin the way you see it. Thank You.

Bidam: How does God delivers the righteous?

By sending his word.

Psalms 107:20
He sent his word, and healed them, and delivered them from their destructions.

How is that possible? By showing them His covenant.

"The secret of the Lord is with those who fear him; and he will show them his covenant." Psalm 25:14

Tithing is a covenant(In principle).Not of blind obedience but of LOYALTY.

"I will send my messenger, who will prepare the way before me. Then suddenly the Lord you are seeking will come to his temple; the messenger of the covenant, whom you desire, will come," says the LORD Almighty.Malachi 3:1

guiddoti: Are the ushers, sunday school teachers and many more, full time employee of the church? If no. They have no portion. They can only be given portion, as to support them, if they are financially down or as a worker in need
I'ii have you study the epistle of paul's. The law of tithing was never abolished. If you have not being paying it, I beg you start. Also read the book of malachi chapter 3 to the end.

guiddoti: I'm beginning to be addicted to NL. It's getting interested all the day.
The Issues of tithing and offering should be taken serious, for it's an ordiance from God to everyone. Now, bible said: "bring you tithes into my store that there may be meat in my house..." This indicates that the house of God should not lack resources. And, if you critically examined how bible used those words, you discovered that the people are farmers. All levit have no inheritance, they are priest to all other tribes. In our present day churches, pastors are refered to levit. They minister on the altar of God. So, tithes are proportionally used for the well-being of the house of God. The maintenance of every activities of the church, including the pastor's family well being, are considered. The whole sum is not for the pastor's consumption.
On the other hand, offering is free-will you offer in appreciation to God and man. It's offering that you give with simplicity, not with grudges. When you go into the house of God, do not go with empty hands. God loves a cheerful giver.

MrBible: If you have stopped paying tithes, then don't let anyone deceive you to believe that whatever situation you may be going through now is as a result of you not paying tithes, just always remember this verse:

Psalm 34:19
19 Many are the afflictions of the righteous, But the Lord delivers him out of them all.

frosbel: God has never been wicked. It is man who is utterly wicked.

People and nations are still being judged for their wickedness as we speak. The nations deserve to be punished for throwing their children into fires, practicing temple prostitution, bowing before dumb idols , scams , human trafficking, slavery, greed , destroying the beauty of Gods creation , r.apes, destroying our youth with drugs, and performing all sorts of unspeakable acts of wickedness.

I personally cannot wait till God purges this earth from all the scum of mankind, I truly cannot wait till such a time comes, let this earth be renewed and let us have peace and love once and for all.

God is always just and will remain so for eternity.

And in case you think the old testament is bad, just wait till the day of the Lord when he shall rid the world of all evil and wickedness with a blazing sword.

frosbel: Goshen bro , God is still judging people right now , many wars are in fact judgement against the wickedness of man etc.

The fact that we have escaped this thus far in our life time, is due to the grace of GOD.

Mr Troll: Una bye. I no fit dumb myself any further.

GeneralShepherd: Still my point,if I feel sorry for my actions means I simply did not know my actions would yield unfavourable results;hence I wouldn't be sorry or regret those actions!

Goshen360: God knows any man will sin but would be grieved in heart how we know already and still subject ourselves to sinful temptation. It is to whom you yield yourself to (subjective will), to such you're slave.

Mr Troll: I'm afraid i fail to see the connection.