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We should stop confusing substances with shadows. The substance is here now, the shadow is gone.

We begin a journey to corrective surgery and knowledge in our churches (2 Timothy 3:16) and we shall discuss the Abuse or misuse of speaking in tongues. The whole chapter of 1 Corinthians 14 taught on Spiritual gifts, contrasting between prophecy and speaking or praying in tongues. Many of us Christians should be willing to learn and\or UN-learn what the institutionalized church had once taught us when we were still young Christians, we have to be open minded to go back again now that we're grown in the Christian faith.

New Living Translation (NLT)

Tongues and Prophecy

1 Let love be your highest goal! But you should also desire the special abilities the Spirit gives—especially the ability to prophesy.

2 For if you have the ability to speak in tongues, you will be talking only to God, since people won’t be able to understand you. You will be speaking by the power of the Spirit, but it will all be mysterious.

3 But one who prophesies strengthens others, encourages them, and comforts them.

4 A person who speaks in tongues is strengthened personally, but one who speaks a word of prophecy strengthens the entire church.

5 I wish you could all speak in tongues, but even more I wish you could all prophesy. For prophecy is greater than speaking in tongues, unless someone interprets what you are saying so that the whole church will be strengthened.

6 Dear brothers and sisters, if I should come to you speaking in an unknown language, how would that help you? But if I bring you a revelation or some special knowledge or prophecy or teaching, that will be helpful.

7 Even lifeless instruments like the flute or the harp must play the notes clearly, or no one will recognize the melody.

8 And if the bugler doesn’t sound a clear call, how will the soldiers know they are being called to battle?

VERSES 6-8 IS AN ILLUSTRATION, MINE ADDED

9 It’s the same for you. If you speak to people in words they don’t understand, how will they know what you are saying? You might as well be talking into empty space.

10 There are many different languages in the world, and every language has meaning.

11 But if I don’t understand a language, I will be a foreigner to someone who speaks it, and the one who speaks it will be a foreigner to me.

VERSES 10-11 BUTTRESS THE ILLUSTRATION OF VERSES 6-8 AND STATEMENT OF VERSE 9, TO CONTINUE IN VERSES 12. MINE ADDED

12 And the same is true for you. Since you are so eager to have the special abilities the Spirit gives, seek those that will strengthen the whole church.

13 So anyone who speaks in tongues should pray also for the ability to interpret what has been said.

14 For if I pray in tongues, my spirit is praying, but I don’t understand what I am saying.

15 Well then, what shall I do? I will pray in the spirit, and I will also pray in words I understand. I will sing in the spirit, and I will also sing in words I understand.

16 For if you praise God only in the spirit (means praising God in tongues, from verse 14 & 15, mine added), how can those who don’t understand you praise God along with you? How can they join you in giving thanks when they don’t understand what you are saying?

17 You will be giving thanks very well, but it won’t strengthen the people who hear you.

18 I thank God that I speak in tongues more than any of you.

19 But in a church meeting I would rather speak five understandable words to help others than ten thousand words in an unknown language.

20 Dear brothers and sisters, don’t be childish in your understanding of these things. Be innocent as babies when it comes to evil, but be mature in understanding matters of this kind.

21 It is written in the Scriptures:

“I will speak to my own people through strange languages and through the lips of foreigners. But even then, they will not listen to me,” says the Lord.

22 So you see that speaking in tongues is a sign, not for believers, but for unbelievers. Prophecy, however, is for the benefit of believers, not unbelievers.

23 Even so, if unbelievers or people who don’t understand these things come into your church meeting and hear everyone speaking in an unknown language, they will think you are crazy.

24 But if all of you are prophesying, and unbelievers or people who don’t understand these things come into your meeting, they will be convicted of sin and judged by what you say.

25 As they listen, their secret thoughts will be exposed, and they will fall to their knees and worship God, declaring, “God is truly here among you.”

A Call to Orderly Worship

26 Well, my brothers and sisters, let’s summarize. When you meet together, one will sing, another will teach, another will tell some special revelation God has given, one will speak in tongues, and another will interpret what is said. But everything that is done must strengthen all of you.

27 No more than two or three should speak in tongues. They must speak one at a time, and someone must interpret what they say.

28 But if no one is present who can interpret (or if the one who speaks in tongues doesn't have the gift to interpret as per verse 13 above - mine added), they must be silent in your church meeting and speak in tongues to God privately.

29 Let two or three people prophesy, and let the others evaluate what is said.

30 But if someone is prophesying and another person receives a revelation from the Lord, the one who is speaking must stop.

31 In this way, all who prophesy will have a turn to speak, one after the other, so that everyone will learn and be encouraged.

32 Remember that people who prophesy are in control of their spirit and can take turns.

33 For God is not a God of disorder but of peace, as in all the meetings of God’s holy people.

34 Women should be silent during the church meetings. It is not proper for them to speak. They should be submissive, just as the law says.

35 If they have any questions, they should ask their husbands at home, for it is improper for women to speak in church meetings.

36 Or do you think God’s word originated with you Corinthians? Are you the only ones to whom it was given?

37 If you claim to be a prophet or think you are spiritual, you should recognize that what I am saying is a command from the Lord himself.

38 But if you do not recognize this, you yourself will not be recognized.

39 So, my dear brothers and sisters, be eager to prophesy, and don’t forbid speaking in tongues.

40 But be sure that everything is done properly and in order.

1 Corinthians 14

Bidam: Speak plainly, not in dark speeches.Are you for or against gifts of tongues?

You have been with me on this forum for too long and you still don't know where I stand as per tongues? There's no middle ground here bro.

Let him that does not speak in tongues condemn he that speaks. Let him that speak in tongue in public worship stop the speaking without interpretation and let him speak to God in private. Public speaking in tongues in our worship places is abuse of tongues gift, such are still in Corinthian church, move unto to Ephesians.

ayoku777: I wont even call it a digression, it is the core of the new testament. The only way for you to be sinless under the law is to pluck out your eyes and cut off your hands. In other words, have no body parts to commit the sin with.

If you read that passage with the veil of works, you would think Jesus was admonishing us on how much sacrifice we should be willing to make, to make heaven. He is rather showing us how the only way to be righteous is through faith in Him.

^ To those who are with him then while he walked the earth, the above is true. To us, both applies, that is, to HAVE FAITH in his person AND WHAT HE HAD DONE TO MAKE US RIGHT AGAIN WITH THE FATHER and SIT IN HEAVENLY PLACES WITH HIM. Our own faith is more on Christ's finished works, because it was his death, burial and resurrection that gives birth to everything a believer can ever amount to in this Christian faith.

You got the right choice of words, to use there as per the 'veil' while I was using 'lens' or 'eyes'. However, religion had once told me that what Christ was saying in that verse where he said cut off your hands if it makes you sin is not literal and doesn't mean one should cut his\her physical hands.

So, what I'm gradually teaching or showing folks here is for everyone of us to study the teachings of Christ 'under the law' with the veil of the new testament because the Lord himself had taken away the veil and open our understanding so we can understand the scriptures via the Holy Spirit.

You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life.

And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

^ At this time of the dispensation of God, it was still the Old testament written but it was veiled to the disciples. Now, when a man turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away so such man can understand scriptures, especially in the light of the (death, burial & resurrection of Christ) new testament.

To digress a little, let me buttress the teaching I was going to do with or from the so called 'sermon on the mount' and I will come back to continue the Lord's prayer.

King James Bible
For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven. Matthew 5:20

Any one reading this scripture with the lens or eyes of ordinary instead of reading\studying with the lens or eyes of the finished works of the cross (or of the eyes of the Spirit), will think Christ was teaching we should do more than the scribes and pharisees IN ORDER TO ENTER THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. Studying this under the eyes or revelation of the new testament gives us a revelation to the truth Christ was teaching. Christ is not saying if the scribes\pharisee fast\pray twice a week, you have to fast\pray four times a week to be made right with God or to enter heaven. Christ is not saying if the scribes\pharisees pay tithe of 10%, you have to pay tithe of 20% to be made right with God. He is not saying if the scribes\pharisee read\study the scripture five times daily, you have to read\study the scripture ten times daily to be made right with God etc


Scribes and Pharisees are teachers of the mosaic law and their righteousness is by the obedience to the law, a righteousness which is based on how God accept people or make people right with himself under the law.

New Living Translation
For Moses writes that the law's way of making a person right with God requires obedience to all of its commands.

So, Christ is 'projecting' a righteousness which SHALL NOT BE BY THE LAW OR WHICH SHALL NOT BE BY THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF SCRIBES\PHARISEES, that's the righteousness THAT EXCEED THE RIGHTEOUSNESS OF THE SCRIBES & PHARISEES, a righteousness that is based on faith, grace and the finished works of Christ. A righteousness that is not based on WORKS like that of the law as with the scribes & pharisees but which shall be, BECAUSE OF THE CROSS AND WHAT WAS DONE FOR US. When God is no longer looking at believers from the angle of what these believers do to be right with God but BECAUSE OF WHAT CHRIST DID TO MAKE BELIEVERS RIGHT WITH GOD.

New International Version
Christ is the culmination of the law so that there may be righteousness for everyone who believes.

New Living Translation
For Christ has already accomplished the purpose for which the law was given. As a result, all who believe in him are made right with God.

to be continue . . .

New Living Translation
Dear brothers and sisters, if I were still preaching that you must be circumcised--as some say I do--why am I still being persecuted? If I were no longer preaching salvation through the cross of Christ, no one would be offended. Galatians 5:11

Many of us Christians have not come to the revelation of the cross and the finished works, Christ and him crucified. The Cross of Christ is a great divider and makes the difference. We make mistake of still reading\studying the old testament and the four gospels with the way they written; instead of reading\studying with the revelation of the "finished works of Christ through the Cross".

When we keep studying the old and the four gospels with the mere eyes or lens of the way they accounts were written, we make the words of no revelation and just black and white, although we understand by reading what is written in black and white but what does the revelation of the word says? That being said, now, let's put on (or wear) the "lens of the finished works of Christ through the Cross" which is the new testament and draw out some revelations from the teachings of Christ on the so called the Lord's prayer - this happens to be what was on my mind before the OP started this thread and since it's similar, I will do the teachings here. I wasn't only going to do the Lord's prayer alone but all the teachings of Christ being explained through the eyes of the revealed, which is the new testament.

King James Bible
Give us this day our daily bread.

The cross made the difference and something changed from "Give us this day our daily bread" to "what had been given already", all because of the cross, the great divider.

King James Bible
According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

What then is Christ's teaching which we understand through the finished works, The Lord already said in the same context, 'your heavenly Father knows what you need'. So, if the Father knows what we need, he already have it in provision for His children. The finished work on the cross provided all things to us, we are not given all things because of our works, but "according to his divine power" or "through or by his divine power".

King James Bible
And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

This is per-requisite to our forgiveness - that we receive forgive AS WE forgive others. It is preparing the heart of the people towards the finished works, the forgiveness through the blood. It's just like saying you love God, but he FIRST loved us and not that we loved him first and his love for us is not conditional to our loving him because while we were still sinners, he died for us.

So, in the new testament, we don't forgive other AS to receive our own forgiveness but we forgive others BECAUSE we ourselves had already being forgiven. We then express forgiveness to other knowing that we ourselves have been forgiven.

King James Bible
In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;

So, don't forgive others because you want to receive forgiveness and start forgiving others because you yourself have been forgiven. That's the truth of Christ's teachings.

King James Bible
And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

1. Being tempted is a function of following the "leadings" of the flesh. If a man is led by the Spirit of God, he or she does not fulfill the lust of the flesh. What is he saying? Don't use our flesh to lead us but a time is coming when you will be led by the Spirit.

^ James 1:13-15

2. We are already being delivered from evil or the evil one. This is because of the cross also and we live out our deliverance and we live from the delivered status.

King James Bible
Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

to be continue . . .

shdemidemi: Pastor Goshen...I zoom you through my binoculars.

Top of the day bro

Top of the day to you too brother. I have been having issues browsing from my phone for few days now except I get home, can't do much. It's been resolved now and we can fellowship anywhere, anytime.

The Spirit is ONE, because I being wanting to do similar teaching like the OP but time constrained.

The truth is, no Christian can "understand" the teachings of Christ without first understanding THE MINISTRY OF CHRIST AND THE CROSS.

We, preach CHRIST AND HIM CRUCIFIED is the message of the cross AND MESSAGE OF THE NEW TESTAMENT. When Christians understand the message of the cross, then we will understand the teaching ministry of Christ.

Again, we bless God for gift of revelational KNOW \ EDGE.

Messages like this will always stir up religious spirit among Christians. Not everyone who reads will "understand". Do you\we "understand" what you\we read in the OP?

Anyway, that's the revealed message of the new testament taught in the OP. He had only pointed out forgiveness but, God will, I will come back and finish the rest.

Bless God for revelational teachings.

nlMediator: My brother, I think it would have been better if you stopped at the point you said this is the kind of message we should be listening to. Spending time to attack others and their understanding of scripture even when unrelated to the thread is unhelpful. And does not show maturity. If anything, it shows stinky pride.

I'm sorry, that might be your interpretation to what I said but the reference to those other messages are complete message that clearly negate the gospel of grace.

Now, you don't have to make a case for or against my statement because you and I don't agree on such kinds of messages that negate the finished works of the cross.

Who are those that are proud? Me? Or people who teach such messages and/or mix with grace gospel even when they have been shown beyond reasonable doubt from scriptures but still hold unto such messages. Those are the people you should be referring to as 'stinky' proud by their attitude, not my statement.

Christians do not have problem reading or even studying the scriptures, Christians have problem UNDERSTANDING what they read and\or study.

bizmahn: Perverted "grace" gospel being sold among carnal,lazy,sinful,prayerless,self centred christians these end times.Make no efforts to live right,you don't even have to do anything cos christ has done it all.Even if you like remain prayerless,skip bible studies,keep lying,stealing,cheating,fighting,fornicating etc, you still get to make heaven as long as you believe in the finished work of christ.
Doctrine of the first born sons of lucifer.
@OP/Poster can you honestly say that since you started believing in the finished work of Christ "without any efforts" you've achieved sinless life in Christ? Fallacy.
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Don't be decieved all the apostles & disciples of Christ made conscious,rigorous,sacrificial,self denying efforts to live right with fastings,prayers,self denials,sufferings,chastisements,preaching etc.It takes a spiritually dead christian to deny this fact that is littered all over the new testament scriptures.It is still a narrow way till Christ comes.

Do you "understand" what the OP was saying at all?

The same way your likes accused Paul, the Apostle of teaching perverted grace. Don't call what God has said it's clean unclean. In the same way, don't call the gospel of grace perverted, if you don't understand the OP or such gospel.

Can you honestly say you have no sin in your life since you have been "doing" and "trying" your best to please God?

This is the kind of messages we should be listening to on glorious Sunday like this, not casting out devils from Christians, not generational curses on Christians and the likes.

Great grace, great power.

Thank you @ poster for edifying the body of Christ. Grace and truth be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of the finished work of Christ.

@ Image123,

Let's hear from you now, since you painting the 'church' (you, me & every other Christians around the world) as the 'storehouse' in Malachi, not the building or physical wall structure we meet together. The question to you is,

Is the church Christ died for and loved = to the storehouse of Malachi?

Also, a scripture or two that says\infer the question\answer will also do.

Christ is the firstfruit in the shadow of the law that is already fulfilled - 1 Corinthians 15:23. Stop allowing men to deceive you.

I will still come up o. I nefa forget this thread o. It might take me some time though but the thread no dey disappear for here naw, so I will come when I'm ready bro. Okay. Please bear with me.

made2fit: Really? So this too is unscriptural?

^ YES! It is completely UNapostolic. Check this out: https://www.nairaland.com/1132023/end-time-chruches-non-apostolic-practices

Today we keep bastardizing scriptures without careful investigation\study and allow the Holy Spirit to help our understand and\or interpretation. How do we treat scriptures that looks contradictory? One thing I know is, scriptures don't contradict themselves except for the fact that we are too lazy to study\investigate to allow perfect interpretations. Now, read this,

King James Bible
And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory. And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy. And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. Exodus 33:18-20

Question: What did Moses asked to see?
Answer: God's GLORY

Question: What did God said Moses cannot see?
Answer: God's FACE

What is the interpretation?
God's glory if seen or experience is as though God's face is seen. We need to begin to pay careful attention to details and context plus follow conversation in our study.

Otherwise, God Himself will be lying and these scriptures will also be lying - John 1:18, John 6:46. Moses never saw God face-to-face though the expression is literal but it was God's glory seen as though God's face seen demonstrated through the 'angel of God's presence' (Isaiah 63:9). When he, Moses received the law, it was God speaking face-to-face with him via His glory through the angel of God's presence.

New Living Translation
Why, then, was the law given? It was given alongside the promise to show people their sins. But the law was designed to last only until the coming of the child who was promised. God gave his law through angels to Moses, who was the mediator between God and the people. Galatians 3:19

King James Bible
Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head. Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good. Romans 12:20-21

The 'fire fall on my enemy' prayer is nothing but carnality and exercise in futility. Does doesn't answer such prayers as it is religious exercise void of a Christ-like examples. There's need for every Christian to check again, their church practices and see if it fits into the teachings of Christ and Apostolic practices. God's way of overcoming and defeating your enemies is foolishness to the religious way or traditions of men. It is the way of overcoming evil with good because greater is he that is in us, than he that is in the world and faith (in the finished works) is our victory. We are not fighting for victory, in Christ, we are fighting from victory.

King James Bible
Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. Matthew 5:43-45

Again, Christ laid the foundation for the Apostles contrasting sharply between what was said in the mosaic law or teachings to what he came to teach as a new way of a new life in the new covenant\agreement - you have heard (of old), but I say unto you (a new saying). Many people are still holding to some or mixture of what what said in the old and selecting some in the new mixed with the old sayings\teachings. That's putting old wine into new wine skin, it doesn't profit the spirit of sonship under the new covenant.

The wisdom of this world is foolishness to God and the ways of God are sometimes foolish to the world. The Apostles carried on the teachings of Christ in a revealed and it was never an Apostolic practice to pray fire down on their enemies even though they had many enemies during the Apostolic era even though they were once carnal wanting to call fire down like Elijah did.

to be continue . . .

King James Bible
And it came to pass, when the time was come that he should be received up, he stedfastly set his face to go to Jerusalem, And sent messengers before his face: and they went, and entered into a village of the Samaritans, to make ready for him. And they did not receive him, because his face was as though he would go to Jerusalem. And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did? But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village. Luke 9:51-56

I have always taught being taught by Spirit that the ministry of Jesus is to bring an 'entirely new way of relationship' with God. He came and ministered to people who carry the mindset of the mosaic teachings but one of the ministry of Christ is a change from the mosaic (the servant hood) to relationship (son ship).

In the light of the above, Christ had to choose those he would teach the coming of the new way or new covenant or new agreement so they can carry on his teachings, changing from the old mindset into the new. Unfortunately, many Christians and Christian leaders are way too far from the ministry of Christ and what the new covenant is all about - they still live in the old mindset and practice the old mixed with the new.

In the above scriptures, the disciples with the old mindset just as it is in our days today, wanted to call down fire like Elijah on those who would not receive\welcome Christ but as Christ is projecting and\or teaching the new way, he said, no! It used to be like that at a time but we're having it in a new way. Why? . . . For [because] the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them.

Everyone of us at one time had once being an enemy of God. Should God had destroyed us, what would have become of us? It is the goodness of God that leads to repentance and Christ had not come to destroy any man's life. Those who call fire on their enemies are either ignorant or following man's traditional teachings without checking out the truth for themselves. The fire that Elijah called down was literal and since people had been calling fire on their enemies, what literal fire had come down? This should tell people it is just an exercise in futility.

to be continue . . .

Who told you Jesus did not break the law? Jesus broke the law yet, he did not sin.

[quote author=amara.lizzy%40y]Pls when Elijah ask God to send down fire 4 him, wht is he using d fire for, bible made us 2 knw dat our God is a merciful God n also a consuming fire.[/quote]What exactly is your point?... because I will show you the exact opposite in the new testament as established by Christ and the Apostles carried Christ teachings on into the new testament.

Image123: There's no fight and i have nothing to lose or gain. i've given evidence and answers on the same subkect matter in the past. The link is free for you to read and learn if you want to. It offers you detailed and educated explnations on all the wine scrptures instead of the emotional amusements prevalent here. Read if you have the mind.

There's no emotional whatever here. You are the one that should give better argument or evidence rather than your legalistic opinion. People have shown you moderation is what is required of a Christian but yours is, no drinking wine at all.

2. While you're a tithe advocate here, the same God said one can use tithe converted to money and drink ogogoro but you said no. Who are we to believe? If you can't deal with drinking in moderation, deal with it rather than saying what the bible doesn't say. And don't say those who drink ogogoro commit sin just because you can't drink or don't like it.

3. The Apostles wrote to the church, we have liberty in Christ only restricted not to use our liberty to gratify the flesh. That's enough and we know the works of the flesh which includes drunkenness. If a man drinks to moderation and don't get drunk, what sin has he commited? That he drank wine or that he got drunk?

4. This is not Image123 I know. The one I know will login his various I.Ds to canvass folks here or will open a thread doing some exegesis. But, this one is bigger than you. However, you can go ahead and do as above. You don chew pass wetin your mouth fit contain. You know say our people dey talk say, cow wey no get tail, na only God dey help pursue butterflies. Na only God fit help you for this one o. Swallow your pride and revisit some Christian teachings or doctrines you have long held unto.

Image123: Most of this guys don't fail to disappoint. Unfortunate if i may so say. Perhaps it has something to do with the drinking.

Anyways, for those interested in learning instead of amusing themselves. Please read this link and its following chapters. It pretty much explains what i may want to say on this thread,

http://www.biblicalperspectives.com/books/wine_in_the_bible/1.html

You don tire to follow systematic teaching but na link you dey tell us make we click. Why not tell us to click the Deuteronomy 14:26 starring in your face abi that one is not part of the all scriptures you often dey talk about or make we say no be God talk that one ni?

Abeg park for one side before you start dey fall hands.

Pastor Kun: This passage actually nails the coffin for those who try to distort scripture and claim Christians ought not to drink. They have attempted to twist wine in some cases to mean fruit juice but we all know strong drink in every sense of the word means alcoholic drink which could be anything from ogogoro to beer except our bible twisters want to twist strong drink to mean something else again.

@image123
I hope you reading, the bible says you should use your tithes to drink wine and beer.

You know say our brother I.D carry "23" for back, maybe na the reason him love Matthew 23:23; so I have decided to change his I.D to Matthew23:23 or better still, scribes & pharisee 23:23.

E be like say him don run from this one as I dey look him back when he dey pick race go, he cannot display scripture gyngolism for this one.

You came up with many interesting topics in recent times and this is one of those topics and I will definitely find time to respond to most of your topics, if not all.

I have done a teaching on this very subject but the Spirit just ministered it to me in another deeper dimension. In fact, I was just thinking I will do a thread on this topic come Thursday or Friday, but I just do the teaching here in your thread instead of starting another thread on same topic.

Please, expect my contribution on Thursday or Friday.

You're blessed.

Ol boy e, see list of names naw! You go fear afraid o. So my name don enter list?

ayoku777: Deut 14v26 (KJV) And thou shall bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth; and thou shall eat there before the Lord thy God and thou shalt rejoice, thou and thine household.

(NLT) When you arrive, you may use the money to buy any kind of food you want—cattle, sheep, goats, wine, or other alcoholic drink. Then feast there in the presence of the LORD your God and celebrate with your household. (NLT)

(NIV) Use the silver to buy whatever you like: cattle, sheep, wine or other fermented drink, or anything you wish. Then you and your household shall eat there in the presence of the LORD your God and rejoice. (NIV)

(ESV) And spend the money for whatever you desire— oxen or sheep or wine or strong drink, whatever your appetite craves. And you shall eat there before the LORD your God and rejoice, you and your household. (ESV)

If there is no pride in this debate, this scripture should end all arguments.

Coz if drinking wine is a sin, then this scripture means God is condoning sin. And that is heresis on every level.

I had wanted to do this in the morning but was in a hurry to work. The same hypocrites who teach tithe forbids church people not to drink alcohol while the bible even say the above, one can use his or her tithe money to buy alcohol. One translation even said "beer". Allow them continue to play double standard with scriptures simply because they can't deal with the truth.

In deed, Matthew 23:23 rings bell and come true - you should have allowed or taught them tithing without forbidding them to use their tithe money to buy themselves alcohol or ogogoro or beer or strong drink or wine.

Edited.

^ Leave them alone, they will later say it's anti-tithe groups that uses or create many I.Ds.

SMH

^ Any of us can attend to your questions when ready.

ayoku777: Totally agree with you here. Once we become gainsayers, the scriptures can no more instruct us, coz we will interprete it with our sentiments.

How have you been?

My brother, I dey o, just busy these days.