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GeneralShepherd: So are you saying that God is just being theatrical? Because I see no reason why God will create Adam and Eve and they sin like He knew they will,then He starts being sorrowful and dramatic!! He knew Adam and Eve will sin why is He grieving? Did he somehow wish Adam and Eve will surprise Him?

Sin is subject in nature. It comes as a temptation towards our 'Identity' as sons of God. God knows any man will sin but would be grieved in heart how we know already and still subject ourselves to sinful temptation. It is to whom you yield yourself to (subjective will), to such you're slave.

Mr Troll: Was this in reply to my post?

Yes sir.

shdemidemi: hallelujah


We must plead guilty to God or remain guilty forever...

Romans 3:3, in all translations, loud and clear.

Mr Troll: What do you call a being that gets angry, jealous, become contrite and sorry, loves, hates, weeps, in fact all the gamut of human emotions? I call it a human being. . . Or the creation of the human mind

Obviously, you didn't read the OP. Look through God's act BEFORE the law and compare God's act during the law. Israel rejected God's gracious act which was under the Abrahamic covenant, a kindergarten covenant to the present covenant of Grace. Show me a Christian who does wrong and God had rained fire down on him\her? Show me a Christian who had gone prodigal and God had stopped being God to such? Israel demanded a different agreement and such, the covenant of the promise ceased over be in effect.

GeneralShepherd: When God says I am said the same yesterday, today and forever, His words are binding! Even God said He can only swear by His words!!

If God chose Israel and decides to choose the church aka gentiles in the New Testament then God has changed.

Even in the bible God changed all the time

Genesis 6 vs 6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart

Why would an all knowing unchangeable God repent?

Too much of KJV isn't fair to study of the word. Did He commit any sin that He had to 'repent'? Check other translations Here

When Israel rejected God's gracious acts and established their own righteousness, God, in His loving acts and nature still would be merciful. Even in their righteousness of the law, God still provided a way of blessing them, showing or teaching them His loving nature but they still would not learn but stiff necked people.

New International Version
"'Make an altar of earth for me and sacrifice on it your burnt offerings and fellowship offerings, your sheep and goats and your cattle. Wherever I cause my name to be honored, I will come to you and bless you. Exodus 20:24

God was showing a generation of people who had rejected God's gracious act that the only way He would bless them is through the sacrifice but to us, picturing the sacrifice of the resurrected Christ. Ladies and Gentlemen, God is not good because you are good but because He is good. God is not faithful because of our faithfulness, but because of His faithfulness. It is all because of what Christ had done, His sacrifice to us all, even when we were sinners.

Many have being approaching God with fear like the wicked God of the old agreement when they sin as Christian instead of approaching God with boldness and sober act. Listen, God's eye doesn't behold sin but under the sacrifice of His Son, we come boldly to the throne of Grace and receive mercy instead of judgment. Shall we then continue to sin thinking the sacrifice of Christ will always cover us? Certainly not! We don't remain in sin when we do sin, but when we do, we come boldly to the throne of Grace and receive forgiveness and mercy, all the loving God blessing us through the sacrifice of Christ.

First of all, the former commandment was a temporal program that was never intended to remain forever; its removal and replacement was justified by the reason of its weakness and ineffectiveness in producing the required result. Instead of it to make us perfect and bring us back to God, the law was condemning the best of us and was chasing us away from God; but Christ’s death and resurrection has assured us a better hope and oneness with God in which we draw nearer to God (Hebrews 7:18 - 19).

Since it was by the mysterious application of faith and grace through the blood of Jesus that we were judged and condemned along with Christ on the Cross, we have been justified also by being raised along with Him; instead of expecting any subsequent future trial at any throne of judgment, let us always come boldly to the throne of Grace where our past-present-and-future cases have already been mercifully dealt with, and where the supply of all our needs are graciously guaranteed (Hebrews 4:16).

The mysterious truth of believers revealed in the prodigal son, we return to God, our loving Father and say, Father, I have sinned against you and I'm not worthy. The Father today, is not looking at your sins, even though He doesn't want you in such sins but He looks at His faithfulness and sacrifice of His Son Jesus. There's is no fear in God's love towards us because God's perfect love doesn't torment but cast out fear. Shake yourself up if you have fallen to temptation and approach the Father again, He is waiting for you. God's perfect love doesn't keep record of sin, to the Father, it never happened. What a loving God we serve. Oh, I love you God for you have not dealt with me because of my sin but you have dealt with my sins on Jesus who sinned not but judged instead of me. Glory to God, Hallelujah!

New International Version
Brothers and sisters, my heart's desire and prayer to God for the Israelites is that they may be saved. For I can testify about them that they are zealous for God, but their zeal is not based on knowledge. Since they did not know the righteousness of God and sought to establish their own, they did not submit to God's righteousness. Romans 10:1-3

Israelites rejected the covenant of promise which was a kindergarten to the covenant of Grace also called the Abrahamic covenant. God was doing everything for them even though they murmured and complained and sinful, God was still merciful to their unrighteousness but when Israel rejected God's covenant of promise by their attitudes, saying they want to be DOING things for God, then the law was given. Why? To show men cannot please God by rules, regulations etc because the law is based on man's effort which is called righteousness of the law.

There wasn't any 10 commandments to keep for them to cross the red sea, it was all God's gracious acts. There wasn't any law to keep to free them from Egypt, it was all God's gracious acts. Before the law was given, every complain and murmuring was manifestation of God's fresh gracious acts. But when the law was given, meaning, they are now under a new covenant (of the law), every complain, murmuring and sinful acts leads to death, fire rained on them and they were plagued.

God had never been wicked from creation but gracious to sinners because our God knows that the goodness of His lead a man to repentance. Our God is loving Father! But when we reject the sacrifices of His Son, we are left with our own righteousness which leaves God out of the equation and walk with us into the promised eternity just as God was left out of the equation in Israelites going into the promised land.

to be continue . . . demonstrating the loving acts of God. God's love doesn't come with fear.

Many had wondered why God appeared wicked under the old agreement dealing with the people of Israel but appeared loving under the new agreement with the church of Christ. God's dealing with the people of Israel under the old agreement is a lesson of God's righteousness to the Church of Jesus.

For one covenant to take effect, the old had to be removed. Before the covenant of the law came into existence, the covenant of promise or Abrahamic covenant was still in effect. It was under this Abrahamic covenant, which was a type and shadow of God's covenant of Grace to the church of Jesus that the people of Israel were under until the covenant of the law took effect. God graciously brought them out remembering his covenant of promises to Abraham, which is fulfilled in Christ to the church.

It was by this and under the Abrahamic covenant that God was DOING everything for the people of Israel. In Exodus 16 (BEFORE THE COVENANT OF THE LAW CAME INTO EFFECT), the people of complained and murmured against God, Moses and Aaron BUT what happened, God graciously provided for them as to their complains.

In Numbers 11, 14 and 16 (DURING\UNDER THE COVENANT OF THE LAW AND MOSAIC COVENANT), we see the people complaining and murmuring again but what happened? They died, fire sent to destroy them and were plagued? What went wrong and why is God angry and appeared wicked to the people he had once been gracious to?

Our God is a loving God and heavenly Father

to be continue . . .

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Little did this my fewd and honourable moderator know that 'virgin' means different things and only the context tells you what meaning is explained. Follow the context and\or word meaning if possible.

Virgin:

a virgin
a marriageable maiden
a woman who has never had sexual intercourse with a man
one's marriageable daughter
a man who has abstained from all uncleanness and whoredom attendant on idolatry, and so has kept his chastity
one who has never had intercourse with women

culled from Strong's concordance: http://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/Lexicon/Lexicon.cfm?strongs=G3933&t=KJV

So, your basis of using 1 corinthians 7 vs 34 is simple right by the context but go and apply other scriptures to Mary and use other meanings in context of the scriptures.

New International Version
"How will this be," Mary asked the angel, "since I am a virgin?"

New Living Translation
Mary asked the angel, "But how can this happen? I am a virgin."

English Standard Version
And Mary said to the angel, “How will this be, since I am a virgin?”

New American Standard Bible
Mary said to the angel, "How can this be, since I am a virgin?"

King James Bible
Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

Holman Christian Standard Bible
Mary asked the angel, "How can this be, since I have not been intimate with a man?"

International Standard Version
Mary asked the angel, "How can this happen, since I have not had relations with a man?"

NET Bible
Mary said to the angel, "How will this be, since I have not had sex.ual relations with a man?"

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
Maryam said to the Angel, “How will this be, for no man has known me?”

GOD'S WORD® Translation
Mary asked the angel, "How can this be? I've never had sex.ual intercourse."

Jubilee Bible 2000
Then Mary said unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

King James 2000 Bible
Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

American King James Version
Then said Mary to the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

American Standard Version
And Mary said unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

Douay-Rheims Bible
And Mary said to the angel: How shall this be done, because I know not man?

Darby Bible Translation
But Mary said to the angel, How shall this be, since I know not a man?

English Revised Version
And Mary said unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

Webster's Bible Translation
Then said Mary to the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man?

Weymouth New Testament
"How can this be," Mary replied, "seeing that I have no husband?"

World English Bible
Mary said to the angel, "How can this be, seeing I am a virgin?"

Young's Literal Translation
And Mary said unto the messenger, 'How shall this be, seeing a husband I do not know?'

Luke 1:34

Gombs: ^^
You busy lecturing us on Moses' tithe laws..why not spend energy on lecturing us on Abraham's tithing which you termed free will offering? You called it free willed offering yet the bible said it was a tenth of all (tithe). Question is, if it were a mere free willed offering, why then did he give a priest of the Most High 10% and the 90% he gave the king of Sodom? Of ALL the Kings Abraham met with, he randomly chose Mechizedek abi?

King of Sodom first went to meet Abraham o! Abraham give tithe to Melchizedek and the remaining 90% he gave it free willed...now you see there is a difference between Tithe and free will donation!

You dey try o

1. Then you deceive yourself AND OTHERS IF YOU ARE NOT DISTRIBUTING THE REST OF YOUR 90% ALSO AS A FREEWILL, thinking you're practicing Abraham's kind of tithing.

2. You tithe BASED ON THE LAW but turn around to claim your tithe is according to Abraham's example. Abraham didn't tithe for windows of heaven to open to him nor for him to be blessed. He was blessed and RICH BEFORE he tithe. Also, Melchizedek didn't show up to RECEIVE TITHE FROM ABRAHAM, HE SHOWED UP TO BLESS. Abraham was pronounced BLESSED first, not tithing in order to be blessed.

Do you see the difference between y'all mixture?

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Happy Birthday to you sir. One of the fathers in the faith that I admire and had followed from offline and behind. A preacher of righteousness and faith through Grace. The Lord bless and increase you in the teaching of the word of truth.

What are Christians looking for in PSALMS that is NOT FOUND IN CHRIST

There's no point comparing one to another. You are also anointed as a Christian. Happy Sunday.

Hallelujah, glory be to God. In deed, a message of the kingdom. The truth of God's kingdom are hidden and revealed in, and through Christ's parables.

obadiah777: my bros take am easy ooo. all work and no play now. anyway if you get target to reach i can understand all the hours. my man wan put bentley for ground when he enter gidi OPPRESSION GO START WHEN GOSHEN ENTER GIDI

Lolz. You are in Spirit on the Lord's day that's why you can see into the future. No wahala naw. Errm, make I go back to work, lunch break is over. Lolz. Byyyyyeeee.

obadiah777: thou shall not lie.

that na one of the commandment oooooooooooo lol

Which lie? There is no lie in love. Anyway, you sabi say your padi no dey take eye see overtime naw. Na so I go use speed grab am. Being working much mehn.

Ishilove: Me good dear. Where have you been? We know even see ya breaklight again

OBADIAH hit me n run from behind. So I dey apply break, the light no show at all cos obadiah don break d rear light then run away.

obadiah777: hey the field marshall himself ogbeni Goshen360. we troway salute with all ten fingers chief. dem done release you from attica prison abi. this one where nobody see ya breaklight

Oga Ade, you just like creating trouble thread shey? Boi go soon come beat u up o except u get energy Y2K.

Ishilove: Goshen!!!!

Sup sweerie?

Obadiah my honourable mod and his gang in the the house. OYO le wa o.

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DrummaBoy: When Pastor Kun accuses Bidam of being a scripture twister, I sometimes think he way too acerbic but with the comments above, I wish to state that Kun is a 100% right.

The Abrahamic Covenant which was enacted in Genesis 17 goes forth: (permit me to quote the key verses):



Yes, God made a covenant with Abraham and this covenant was unique in that it was marked with CIRCUMCISION!. It was this circumcision that became the mark confidence of the Jews which the NT, especially through the ministry of Paul, made nought of:



The NT covenant is clearly depicted in old and repeated in the new as:



This covenant is ratified by the spiritual circumcision on our hearts and not a physical one. Thus we see the marked difference between these two covenants.

The faith of Abraham which we are called to imitate as sons of Abraham is the faith he displayed long before the covenant was enacted (Genesis 15:6). So that Paul shows us that Abraham can now be the father of faith to both those who are circumcised and those who are not.

The core truth of the NT is that the covenant God has enacted with Christian today is all new and has never before been practised. O, yes, we saw glimmers of it through the faith of Abraham in Genesis 15; even through law of Moses; but it is abundantly clear that this covenant is very new and had never been revealed to people of the past.

So, Christians have come into an all new relationship with God, whose tenets of doctrine and practice is clearly enumerated in the New Testament and no where else. The covenant shows that the marks of other covenants like circumcision, sabath honoring, tithing, etc, are not elements of this New Covenant we have today. The mark of the New Covenant is Love: love for God and for humanity.



And as for this scripture which Bidam cunningly put in to justify his Abrahamic covenant:



Please Bidam should be reminded that that particular Paul's discuss in that chapter started from verse 6 not verse 16. Verse 6 and following said:



Please, let us note how many times faith is discussed in this chapter. The context in which Paul discussed Abraham's covenant not being nullified was in the context of contrasting works of the law with faith in God. Paul was showing us that there was an element that was evident in Abraham's covenant with God and that was FAITH and not works of the law. Paul was not saying, as Bidam would eroneously have us believe, that the Chrisitan covenant is the same as the Abrahamic Gen 17 covenant. What Paul is saying that the same way Abraham came into his covenant with God by faith, so also are we to come into our covenant (which is different from Abraham's) by faith too.

Like I said in the beginning, the mark difference btw the Abrahamic covenant and the NT covenant is CIRCUMCISION. But the similarity btw them is FAITH. It is that aspect of faith we share with Abraham and nothing else. If not, Paul never have argued intensely against circumcision like he did. And the same arguments that put circumcision to nought are the same to put tithing to pieces.

I pray with this few points of mine, Bidam will cease in this inglorious ministry of twisting scriptures.

I'm Goshen360 and I ENDORSE this TRUTH of the KINGDOM.

I don't have to say anything anymore to this Bidam of a guy. To say anything to him will hit him more with truth and I'm sure, he will see somethings I will say as an insult. That's why I laugh it off sometimes. I will hold my peace till another day that I will rain some words on him.

Bidam: Christemmbassey,why your error too big na

Another scripture to consider

Galatians 3:6-9

Amplified Bible (AMP)

6 Thus Abraham believed in and adhered to and trusted in and relied on God, and it was reckoned and placed to his account and credited as righteousness (as conformity to the divine will in purpose, thought, and action).(A)

7 Know and understand that it is [really] the people [who live] by faith who are [the true] sons of Abraham.


8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify (declare righteous, put in right standing with Himself) the Gentiles in consequence of faith, proclaimed the Gospel [foretelling the glad tidings of a Savior long beforehand] to Abraham in the promise, saying, In you shall all the nations [of the earth] be blessed.(B)

9 So then, those who are people of faith are blessed and made happy and favored by God [as partners in fellowship] with the believing and trusting Abraham.

Dude, you're just quoting scriptures but you don't even understand the scripture you quoting. Even the scripture you quoting says God justifies by faith NOT BY PAYING TITHE. I don't have your time, if I do, you will hear from me. You are talking about covenant\agreement as if tithe was part of the agreement between God and Abraham that whenever Abraham pays tithe, God will do something for him? Is that part of the terms of Abraham?

Bidam: Make i pity you click like for that new emticon.laffing in hypocrisy.

And who dey look for your like? There's nothing new under heaven, use your brain.

damilarelr: We will do another teaching on that topic of who a believer or born-again is, but can you explain this: Jesus said He who deny Him in this world He will deny such before His Father in heaven...but yet, Peter denied Christ, not once but good three times...do you think Christ will still deny him on the last day?

Let's wait for an answer.

Bidam: What is a covenant? Covenant: A mutual consent or agreement of two or more persons, to do or to forbear some act or thing; a contract; stipulation.

The Abrahamic Covenant was made with an oath by God and it cannot be changed, it was also a covenant that included the two parties giving 100% to each other. The Levitical law is not a Covenant and was not established with an oath and therefore has been fulfilled/changed by Jesus Christ.

If you understand types and shadows,you won't be laffing at Abraham your father by FAITH.

Gen 14:20-22 "And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all. And the king of Sodom said unto Abram, Give me the persons, and take the goods to thyself. And Abram said to the king of Sodom, I have lift up mine hand unto the LORD, the most high God, the possessor of heaven and earth."


Heb 7:1-10 "For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him; To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace; Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually. Now consider how great this man [was], unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils. And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham: But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises. And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better. And here men that die receive tithes; but there he [receiveth them], of whom it is witnessed that he liveth. And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham. For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him."

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Bidam: He is right.What he is trying to tell you is this:

The covenant between God and Abraham is an everlasting covenant (Genesis 17:1, 7).

1. God made a covenant with Abraham and his seed, Jesus (Galatians 3:16-29).

a. We are heirs according to the promise because we believe in Jesus.

b. The law carried with it a curse; if the commandments were broken, a curse followed (Leviticus 27:30-34, Numbers 18:24, 26, Deuteronomy 12:6, Malachi 3:6-9).

c. Because of Jesus’ blood sacrifice, we are now redeemed from the curse of the law.

d. Jesus became our High Priest, who receives our tithes out of love.

e. [size=15pt]We can do what Abraham did.[/size]

a. For every victory God gave him, Abraham gave his tithe out of love, honor, and appreciation (Hebrews 6:20).

f. Jesus is our Melchizedek, our High Priest, of today. When we bring our tithes to the Church, we bring our tithes to Him (Hebrews 7:1-17).

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Alwaystrue: ^^^^^^
Study more and understand grace. If you truly understand grace you will fully understand what the law is and vice versa. The whole law is hinged on love...I am not talking about penalty of law but law...that is where so many people mix it up.
Learn what righteousness of the law also means per Romans 8. This requires your own study.
Happy Sunday.

Hahahaha, the One who gave the law can heal on sabbath and still not sin. The One who gave the law can let someone caught in adultery go free. He can say those who pluck the ears of the corn are sinless etc. When the One who gave the law talks, no sin is found in Him and yet, he can break the law and still have no sin but you know, sin is the transgression of the law. How come he transgress the law but didn't sin?. Why, you will always lack one thing in the law - the law is a shadow, you can't fully know it, only the One who gave knows its shortcomings, limitation and what was held back.

Oh, I feel like preaching and teaching this Sunday glorious morning.