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ayoku777: This is why i don't reply most posts. This is what scripture calls 'gainsaying'. When it suits you, you say a passage or word in scripture is literal, when it doesn't suit you, you call it a 'hyperbole' or 'figurative' expression

So paul was talking about REAL bread and REAL wine, but he meant 'hungry' and 'drunken' figuratively

So the disciples were 'figuratively' drunk during communion?

When christians begin to interprete scriptures this way, its called gainsaying.

Was it not the same fruit of the vine that Jesus drank that Noah also drank and got drunk?

Gen 9v20-21 ...and Noah began to be an husbandman, and he planted a VINEYARD. And he drank of the wine and was DRUNKEN.

Or drunken here is also figurative? Or his own was not new like that of Jesus? Vine wine is alcoholic old or new. And it will get you drunk if you take it without discretion.

Stop gainsaying - saying passages are figurative or literal as it suits your view. Thats trying to make scriptures say what you want it to say. You so badly want to say the wine Jesus and the disciples drank is not alcoholic. But vine wine is alcoholic.

Why do you have to force me to come and say something in this thread today? I have been reading many threads offline throughout today but decided not to comment. Yours is truly the truth - these people are gainsayers though are from the brethren. They can't deal with simple truth and plain scriptures. They want to force their own opinion into what was written but the Apostle said "do not go beyond what is written".

I have said it before and will say it again, a law-led Christian will always see sin in every action s\he does or will ask question such as, is it a sin to drink wine? But a Spirit-led Christian will ask the Spirit, can I drink some wine today? There's work to do among Christians, especially, the Nigerian Christians.

Oh before I forget, they can deal with the words of our Lord since every word of Christ applies to Christians he said and I quote, "It is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a man but what comes out of from his mouth for out of the heart, the mouth speaks"

Bidam: Never mind whether you laffed at me,You still have not answered my question with your wuruwuru answer.

What is law?

Exodus 12:14-21

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

14 And this day shall be unto you for a memorial; and ye shall keep it a feast to the Lord throughout your generations; ye shall keep it a feast by an ordinance for ever. 15 Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses: [size=16pt]for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel.[/size]

My question to you is did they DEMAND THIS LAW/DECREE/ORDINANCE to start with? This is one among many others.

Relax big guy

I will tell you but I need you to "sow into the anointing" so you can enjoy this flow in the Spirit.

@ Bidam and Image123,

Please read Galatians 3:19 in as many translations you can and pay attention to the answer to the question asked, then go read exodus 19 what transpired before the law was given in Exodus 20 and henceforth

Image123: Hmmm. The Gosh effect.

... in 3D mood.

Bidam: Erm! oga, when God issued an ordinance for the children of Israel to observe in Exodus 12:14-20. Did they DEMAND for it?

I did a teaching on this before, just of recent though. That's why I laughed at you when I asked you where laws was categorized as moral, ceremonial, sacrificial n all that. The scripture you gave was an intent that God never intended to give law to the but they should obey his VOICE.

However, they demanded the law through their arrogance and wanting to fulfill their self righteousness. That scripture you gave when I asked you question on the other thread was first spoken by God in exodus 19 and that showed God's original intent.

"word of faith movement" thing.

Bidam: You are welcome,Just going back to the book of genesis to study it again and i noticed 3 distinct clear things God was doing which also reflects what the NT is all about when we turn to the Lord. "SEPARATION,IDENTITY AND ELECTION".

Now, you gradually coming up. Keep studying the OT again with the LENS OR REVELATION FROM THE EPISTLES as I advised you, your whole study life and understanding will open and change.

When God first created, the first thing we are introduced to was the Spirit. When the Apostles first came together, the first thing introduced to the was the Spirit, not the law. When a Christian first become NEW CREATION, like in genesis, the first thing a believer needs is the Spirit, not laws. This creation of genesis is God intent for the new creation in Christ.

Continue in your study and the Lord help you!!!

highyo: I know God will always stand by his words no matter. And he will judge every nature by his word

I do not want to be condem with just a little mistake. Please i need a true bornagain christain (not a benchwarmer o) true child of God that always live according to the bible not according to their pastor teaching. That will never twist the word of God no matter what, Infact I will even prefare deeper life member more to contribute

lev:19:19 do not wear a cloth made with different kind of materials

also lev19:27 do not trim the edge of your hair or your beard

Note
to avoid the anger of the lord, non beliver of Christ dont contribute

highyo: all other words are well explainatory
i know human who sleep with animals, people who speak or consult dead, people who draw tatoo, people who cheat etc are all children of their father satan
and all are in lev19

i purposley picked that out because its very confusing

hardly can u find a single cloth not made of two materials
thats why i asked the question
and i truely want to know the truth abt it so that i can be free
thanks

Oh, I see you have come to the end of yourself and self efforts and self righteousness by obedience to the law. That's what the law does to a man trying to keep it. It brings you to the end of YOUR SELF EFFORTS TO PLEASE GOD OR BE MADE RIGHT WITH GOD.

Some will even say, you receive the Holy Spirit to HELP YOU KEEP THE LAWS OF MOSES....oh, don't you have the Holy Spirit to keep this very one? Why is this very one hard for you and confusing you?

Ah, let I forget, you want to know so you ask in order to be free? What!!! You can now see the same law you trying to keep puts you in bondage else you won't be seeking to be free.

God never intended the Israelites to live BY LAWS, it was the people of Israel that demanded for the law in their bid for SELF RIGHTEOUSNESS and so the law came (was given) to show them their transgression and BRING THEM TO THE END OF THEMSELVES AND SELF EFFORTS. Exactly SAME thing happening to you here with this verse in the law, you have come to the end of YOURSELF and now, you need a saviour.

Why wasn't it difficult for you to understand or apply women should not put on what is man's but this one is difficult for you? Remember, if you must keep the mosaic law, you must keep ALL. You break this verse up there, you guilty as breaking others even though you don't directly break them - the law is a wholesome and complete one unit package, you can't pick one and let go the rest, you can't do one and leave others undone and vice versa.

Let the Spirit of set you free from the bondage of the law keeper, the mosaic law weren't written to you but to the national Israel to BRING THEM TO THE END OF THEMSELVES AND SELF EFFORTS AND DRIVE THEM TO CHRIST, SO THEY CAN SEE A NEED FOR SAVIOUR. When you come to Christ, the law stops and the Spirit continues TO LEAD US instead of the law being a SCHOOLMASTER to you.

Say the truth and shame the devil even if you offend some people.

The church takes her organization from Apostolic doctrines not from the world. In this organization, there are those in ministry of giving although, everyone is expected to give. Pastors cause confusion by mixing everyone and everything together so people don't know what is what and who is who.

What is the purpose of taking money from those in ministry of giving to support the gospel and turning around to sell to those you taking the gospel to?

damerry: In my own opinion i think think this is rather misleading.
Does it mean if i believe in Jesus and go about commiting sins i will no be condemned?
It's more like a licence and safeguard to commit sins.

Get your mind renewed in the word, sin consciousness to everything you do is a residue of the OLD MAN OR NATURE in you. Allow the Holy Spirit lead you, he cannot tell you to lie, steal, kill, fornicate, commit adultery etc but we see Christians doing such. Why? Unto whom you yield yourself to, you are servant either unto flesh to serve sin or to the prompting of the Spirit unto righteousness.

vickyO: why are people going off key.... this message is one that should cause all believers to renew their minds.... but don't forget some have got the rocky shallow heart Jesus spoke about.

Blessed are you among all women for the above comment.

You see, people need to get out of religious mind set and sin consciousness whereby we see virtually everything as sin.

Such is the mindset of the law and sin nature. A Christian asking, is it a sin to drink some wine instead of telling the Holy Spirit, can I have some wine? Do you see the difference? A Christian asking, is it a sin to wear trouser, instead of saying to the Holy Spirit, can I wear this trouser today? Do you see the difference?

One is still carrying sin consciousness all about and will see everything he or she does as sin but the other accept the righteousness of God through Christ and live by faith from that righteousness of Christ. I don't seem to understand what people are hearing every Sunday if the cannot understand simply message such as with the OP even though I don't agree to once saved forever saved.

Okay guys, good morning to you all.

I had thought of leaving this thread before if it continued with the usual ways from Bidam and Alwaystrue but waking up and reading from dami.Paul and jman05. I will come back and explain somethings, further, clearer and deeper.

birdman: There is no need to abuse the man. It is possible to be led of God and not have all your doctrine in order - after all he is human. Blame the Christians who refuse to apply the Berean test to what they hear. Like the Bible says, the Spirit (not Oyedepo) teaches you all things. Oyedepo is supposed to be confirmation to what you receive by study, not the other way round.

A million LIKES for you.

Bidam: Thanks for the refreshing words.I did not find myself in the Christian Faith by accident neither do i practice it as a religion like others.

I am passionate and zealous about Christ like Paul and of late i have been studying hard and putting my body under subjection so i would not be disqualified for the price.There are cities and territories to be conquered and God told me in unmistakable clear terms to SIT with the WORD and learn for now.

The hand of God is so strong upon my life that, i am so SURE and persuaded concerning the faith,i am not like others who are unstable as to which religion is a way to God.I know Christianity is THE WAY to the Father. None preached to me before i gave my life to Him from a moslem home.I had an encounter with HIM.

Let mockers and scoffers continue in their folly.The wheat will soon be separated from the chaff in a short while.

God is still speaking and He speaks to me everyday.I am unperturbed by what people say here.I know whom i believed and i am fully persuaded about HIM.

Bidam: Do you know you are a hypocrite? What has my level of education got to do with the question you ask? What do you think morals are? What do you think sacrifices are?

Must they be stated as moral and sacrifices in that scripture before you know the difference?

God first thundered His Commands in Exodus 20 directly from heaven,Is it Moses fault that the children of Israel were afraid to go seek God for themselves.

God is interested in obedience and not sacrifices,He always echoed it in the Laws and the prophets.

Even in this dispensation of grace,obedience to the Holy Spirit is the major key to revival.

If you can't see what God is saying in the bible until you are EDUCATED,then am afraid i can't be of help here.

#Shaking my head#

Bidam: Jeremiah said it in Jeremiah 7:22-23.

Listen to what the Eternal inspired Jeremiah to write: “For in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, I DID NOT SPEAK . . . OR COMMAND them concerning burnt offerings and sacrifices. But this COMMAND I GAVE THEM: ‘Obey my voice . . . and walk in ALL THAT WAY THAT I COMMAND YOU, that it may be well with you.’ ”

There you have it.The 10 commandments was differentiated from the sacrificial laws.

Bidam, please if I may ask, what's your level of education? No offense please.

Bidam: Ok, i got your point,the sacrificial laws of Moses is obsolete,but the moral laws had been inculcated in Love for God and your neighbor.Love is the fulfillment of the LAW.

Please Bidam, give one, I mean just one verse where scripture grouped some laws as sacrificial and some as moral. Can you give just one scripture please?

Bidam: So you no go give testimony for church if God heal you of disease abi? same principle applies.OFFERINGS ARE YOUR SUBSTANCE YOU HONOUR GOD TO SHOW APPRECIATION AND THE FAITHFULNESS OF GOD. IN church.

Alwaystrue: Lol writely dividing the truth is really a problem for some. Jesus said this to PROVE TO PEOPLE YOU HAVE BEEN HEALED....go and do what Moses ordered else these people will not allow the healed leper into the congregation. Lepers were not allowed into the colony of people even same applies today, there are leper colonies. Tests that prove healing is what is used to be allow healed lepers to live with people.
Jesus was simply speaking law of the Spirit here for the benefit of the man so he can fulfil all righteousness and obey the authority of that time.
I keep seeing the same recycled questions showing some are ever learning but never WILLING to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Mark 1:44
"See that you say nothing to anyone; but go, show yourself to the priest and offer for your cleansing what Moses commanded, AS A TESTIMONY TO THEM.
WHOLESOME WORDS.
The funniest thing is that the answer was there in the expanded version...LOL....This will ·show the people [BE A PUBLIC TESTIMONY; be EVIDENCE FOR] what I have done.

Daniel 7:25
And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time

Daniel 7:25 fully makes sense to me now...it just dropped into my spirit and clicked....trying to belittle Jesus Life and work on earth, recycling questions and scorning the saints, trying to change the law of God and trying to change when the time of the New Testament began. What more?!

The church is really in a mess today!!! We have people who are teaching the word of God but do not understand simple English and context. A Leper was healed and Jesus told him go and show yourself to the priest. And offer the ·gift [offering; sacrifices] Moses commanded for ·people who are made well [ your cleansing; Lev. 14:1–32]

We have people today changing the law of Leprosy into 'principles of leprosy'. This gift, offerings and sacrifices are what are contained in reference to Mosaic Law. We have people calling for testimony of a healed person without the gift\offerings\sacrifices as commanded in the Law. They hold on to "This will ·show the people [be a public testimony to; be evidence for] what I have done” but where is the sacrifice as commanded in Leviticus 14? You can't understand what Christ was saying until you read or study Leviticus 14.

Smh for this generation!!!

We do not have such practices among the Apostolic church!!! You're looking for trouble from those who have invaded the pulpit and see godliness as a means wealth. There ways of operating will be very subtle to make merchandise of church people and these people will claim they are following 'principles' from the word of God not knowing they are the very ones 'changing the law' of God.

The truth is, when you preach Christ and the cross (Christ and His finished works) - you're a worst enemy of Judaizers and you're a foolishness to the Gentiles. The way you're coming up with some new teachings, I have no doubt in my spirit, you have been with the Holy Spirit in study. The Lord bless you bro.

Smh...for this generation. Now, we know why the are all kinds of different doctrines from same bible. Lord have mercy!!!

^ Of course, Bidam & I have come a long way. I once told the brother to flush out his system from the institutionalized and religious church interpretation of the word and get himself busy by the Spirit. I don't think he's ready for that yet.

2. Our problem is never scripture, our problem have always and will always be interpretation of scriptures - putting scripture A together with scripture B and rightly divide both so they both balance in truth, one not contradicting the other(s).

3. If anyone is going to try and\or study what I said and search out the truth like the Bereans if I teach the truth or not, start with sermon on the mount in Matthew 5 and to understand that teaching, take off the religious and traditional mindset and wear the mindset of the 'revealed' from the epistles of Apostles or wear\put on the lens of the new testament. It will change your whole study life and you understand every teachings of Christ and even the messages of the whole OT from Genesis to John.

4. Bidam, Alwaystrue and most others are often going off topic when discussing issues. This is not to discredit them as brethren but it's obvious it is what it is. When they're asked intelligent questions, they turn around and say, we're interpreting scripture with logic. Logic is just a lay man language - Paul, the Apostle 'reasoned' with people which we might call logic in our days, engaging His Holy Spirit renewed mind and such is an attribute of the mature Christians.

Bidam: Stop twisting scripture..Jesus had friends like Nicodemus and others who tithed even long after the ascension of Christ because they believed the words of the messiah in mat 23:23.Every statement of Jesus is still BINDING on believers today,if you no like wetin i talk vex like vespa..

Mark 1:44
Expanded Bible (EXB)
44 “Don’t tell anyone about this. But go and show yourself to the priest. And offer the ·gift [offering; sacrifices] Moses commanded for ·people who are made well [ your cleansing; Lev. 14:1–32]. This will ·show the people [be a public testimony to; be evidence for] what I have done.”

Bidam, since every word of Jesus is BINDING ON CHRISTIANS TODAY, do you teach others to OBEY this word of Jesus above WHEN HEALED?

Rhymeyjohn: About tithe and the christians (knowing this stylishly meant new testament); please help me out on the following:
1. THERE IS NO SINGLE VERSE IN D ENTIRE BIBLE, WHERE CHRISTIANS ARE COMMANDED TO dance and beat drums in God's presence. Why do your church (most likely i presume) just as many others dance and beat drums today do so. Probably tithe is just the scape goat that needs to be avoided by christians?
2. THERE IS NO SINGLE VERSE IN D ENTIRE BIBLE, WHERE CHRISTIANS ARE COMMANDED TO hold conventions and conferences. some of you went futher to hold an e-convention. I never saw where peter nor paul did one, and they are our new testament examples, but tithe is just the problem for you.
3. Jesus says we shouldnt pass over judgment and love for God to tithe; another scripture say, love is the fufilling of the law. How excately does paying tithes (out of my loving volition) reduce my love for God? with scriptures.

#1, I agree with you, you right.

#2. You wrong. Acts 15 was a coming together, an Apostlic convention.

#3. Are you a Pharisee? Those tithing in Mathew and Luke are both Pharisee, in both cases, no justification for them. In Christ, you are justified by his blood and by faith, not by works of the law.

Another scripture that confuses church people is, Luke 22:20,

New American Standard Bible
And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, "This cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in My blood.

King James Bible
Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.

That's why I talked about "rightly dividing" the word. At the time Jesus made this statement, he had not shed his blood yet. Hebrews tells us, there must be death of a testator. Christ said this new covenant IS IN HIS BLOOD. It is still ineffective but residing IN HIS blood until that blood is shed. The perfect interpretation is clear, that is, put Hebrews together with what Christ said - The shedding of the blood is the new testament\covenant taking effect but that covenant IS IN THE BLOOD so that WHEN THAT BLOOD IS SHED BY MEANS OF DEATH, THE COVENANT TAKES EFFECT, and that's what is called NEW TESTAMENT\COVENANT and this new covenant, his will and disposition is NOW MADE AVAILABLE OR REVEALED BY THE APOSTLES because the Apostles were the ones Christ chose to bear witness to his new testament.

Therefore and in conclusion, when you study the Epistles - they contain the REVEALED WILL OR DISPOSITIONS of what Christ had made available for us by his death and will. They contained the revelation of the finished works of Christ. They carried on the teachings of Christ. They explained the will or teachings of Christ. They revealed the DONE ACTS not the ACTS OF DOINGS. By means of Christ's death, they unveiled what was made available as our inheritance just like after the death of any man, the wealth and inheritance are revealed to the beneficiaries.

That's why you cannot understand the Gospel of Matthew, Mark, Luke & John UNLESS YOU PUT ON THE LENS OR REVELATION OF THE EPISTLES BY THE APOSTLES because what the Epistles by the Apostles are doing is deeper explaining the teachings of Christ, that is, unveiling his wills which he wrote while on earth and tell you the worth of blessings or inheritance you have in Christ. Any time you study Matthew to John again, put on or wear the revealed lens from or by the Epistles, you will enter a new revelation of what Christ was teaching.

God bless you all.

Okay, lemme do a little exegesis here now.

First, I asked a question, what does it mean to rightly divide the word of truth? I can't get an answer. It's okay, no need for an answer anymore. We will get into the word. To rightly divide the word is rightly putting every scripture where they belong so that scripture A will not contradict scripture B and C will not contradict what A is saying and dividing gives an accurate answer and\or interpretation. Interpreting scripture is the works of the Spirit in us and since the Spirit authored the word, He cannot contradict Himself.

And for this cause he (Christ) is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth. Whereupon neither the first testament was dedicated without blood. Hebrews 9:15-18

First, the word testament is the Greek word, diathēkē and it means a disposition, arrangement, of any sort, which one wishes to be valid, the last disposition which one makes of his earthly possessions after his death, a testament or will, a compact, a covenant, a testament, God's covenant with Noah, etc.

So we understand a testament also means a will or covenant. The Hebrew text says, Christ is the mediator of the new testament - by means of death. A simple observation to an inquisitive mind will be that, it is an old testament still going on for someone to be a mediator of new by means of his death.

Hebrews went further to say, For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth. He just told us Christ is the mediator of the new testament or covenant or will of God. So, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, Christ was still alive and by the Hebrew text, those books cannot be a new testament book because the mediator or testator must first die and then his will, disposition which he wishes to be valid after his death will then take effect.

This is the major reason for a new revelation of AFTER THE DEATH OF CHRIST (that is, what the death has made available to us as a mean of exploring his will) which are mainly revealed in the Epistles to the Apostles - Ephesians 3:4-5.

Now, what is it that is happening in Matthew to John?

It is simply the mediator or testator writing his will or last disposition WHICH WILL TAKE EFFECT AFTER HIS DEATH. He is teaching a NEW WAY different from that of the OLD which was still in effect. There has to be a will or disposition written while the testator is alive and this disposition or covenant or testament is what takes effect after his death. Hence, the necessity for Christ's teachings and selecting his disciples or Apostles that will carry on this will, covenant and his last disposition after his death.

If Christ's walking on earth in Matthew to John is new testament, then the Hebrew text contradict Galatians 4:4 which says, Christ was made under the Law. This "made" under the Law is a KJV confusing English, it means "born" under the Law as many other translations agree. It therefore agrees that the Mosaic Law was still in effect when Christ was born. If it was the New Covenant in effect, then what covenant did Christ came to start anew?


to be continue . . .

@ OP,

I still have this thread in mind o. My schedule still occupied. We will put Matthew to John where they rightly belong and teach what was going on in Matthew to John. Then, we will use the revelation of the New Testament to understand\teach\reveal the messages of Christ in Matthew to John.

Image123: Mal 3:10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
The phrase "all the tithes" is clear enough. Abraham gave all the tithe, so did Jacob, so did the pharisee.
Gen 28:22 And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God's house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.
Gen 14:20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.
Luk 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

So, evidently, we see that God has never rejected all the tithe, whether before the law or during the law. And if He is the God that changes not, He will not reject all the tithe now, else He would have stated it. Certainly He had stuff to say about amendments in Matthew 5, about sabbath, circumcision and co.
2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
The verse in red is a bonafide part of scripture. We cannot neglect it or be coerced into avoiding it. ALL Scripture is profitable for INSTRUCTION. The next verse reiterates that it is for the man of God. All scripture belong to us.

[size=15pt]So, what are the tithes and what is the devourer and what is the storehouse for Christians?[/size] The focus and reason for the tithe should be remembered. It is to take care of the temple workers. Of course, i do not expect that any sane and regular reader on the religion section should be taking us back to kindergaten talk about tithe to widows and orphans. Those are not the tithe being referred to in the verse. This one comes to to the STORE HOUSE. So when it says BRING ALL, even Old Testament folks knew the context, not to now talk of New Testament, blood of Jesus bought, Holy Ghost dwelling christians, as it were. The purpose for the tithe according to the verse is THAT THERE MAY BE MEAT IN my House. That is to take care of the temple workers. It is the same application today. Pharisees will stick to letter and demand that NO WORk be done on the sabbath day, missing the purpose and reason of God. It is no wonder that present day pharisees will demand that we must give church work only agric produce, even when we all know that does not meet the need or fulfil the purpose today.
THAT THERE MAY BE MEAT is not just indicative of a dogmatic view of meat as we know it. Meat does not have to be agric produce today. Jesus talked about His meat, to do God's will. When the scripture talks about our daily bread, or of the arrow that flies by night, or of treading serpents and scorpions. We should be mature enough in understanding, and not be as rigid as the OP to think it is just agege bread God must give us daily. Your own bread might be pepper in the market, another's might be a job in the bank. That the Bible uses so much of agric terms is indicative of the society and economy that was prevalent at that time.

^ Is the church = to the storehouse? I simply can't find your own answer to your own question is your own going in circles explanation. Is the storehouse = to the church today? Be straight forward please.

Alwaystrue: His messages are for all men...you can see that in the scripture I posted and there are lots more. The law came by Moses, Grace and Truth came by Jesus.

Read the Galatians 4:4 very well and in different versions to understand what made under the law means. He came in Flesh to fulfil the law so he had to be born in subjection to the law...that was the essence, so he can manifest the grace and truth also in the flesh....I.e while on earth.

The Pharisees did not even interprete the laws well and that is why they did not do as the should which Jesus corrected.

Jesus came to fulfil the law in its righteous interpretation not as done in the letter but of the spirit. Romans 8:3-4
I have some previous posts which I can paste for you to study beside scriptures, if you are interested.

For once, lemme ask you a question in all honesty:

Do you understand what it means to "rightly DIVIDE the word of truth"?

@ OP,

You're very and 100% correct. Matthew, Mark, Luke & John are NOT the New Testament or Covenant. I have dealt with same same topic sometimes in the past. Those who want to be confuse will always be remain in their confusion and tradition of men interpretation. Therefore, placing Matthew to John as New Testament was an error wrongly placed and should be corrected in our days. I will contribute more later.

Some people will say, "the Law and Prophet were UNTIL JOHN" but ask them what that means, you can't get an answer except going in circle. If Galatians says Christ was born under the law and another scripture says Law\prophets were UNTIL JOHN, and we know Christ was born AFTER John, then what does that UNTIL JOHN means? Does it mean it ENDED at JOHN or what?

Seriously, I'm going out of patience on religion, I want more of my Lord and Saviour.

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DrummaBoy: @ m.k.o2005

The biggest errors of our times proceeds from so called revelations on scriptures people receive beyond what the text of scripture truly says.

I was talking again on the phone yesterday with that my mentor I once talked about who resigned as RCCG Pastor. He made confirmation to ^ the above statement and he said, Nigeria Christians are ignoring the text which leads to understand before application can be followed and are 'spiritualizing' the text claiming to have some 'rhema' and\or 'special revelation'.

This also is an error Paul, the Apostle dealt with in his days, it is called the 'Colossian heresy\error' where some folks claim special knowledge beyond the text of the written word. In deed, there's a big work to do for us, in the body of Christ. I will deal with Jesus being Melchizedek or not, with clear bible verses soon, perhaps before I sleep tonight. Again, the pro-tithe have nowhere to hide anymore, it is now, Jesus is Melchizedek so it means, Jesus HAD ALREADY COLLECTED tithe if he was Melchi and if we are seed of Abraham, we have also PAID TITHE IN ABRAHAM WHEN HE PAID TITHE TO MELCHI OR NA JESUS DEM DEY CALL HIM NOW. Besides, when did this Melchi or na Jesus CONTINUOUSLY collect tithe from Abraham on a monthly basis?

petgaji: Goshen, i read 2ru ur post on d topic ''anti-tithers'' pls i wuld appreciate it if u culd gve me some biblical ref so i study 4 myself. Tanx.

A brother on this forum already did a good job on your ^ above request. I will just give you the link to his thread: https://www.nairaland.com/1470181/all-mention-tithe-tithes-tenth

fr evangel: The purpose of this thread is to get Christians, whether or not you believe in the doctrine of tithe, to go back to the scripture, the Written Word, and check again, every place tithe, tithes and tenth unto, was used in the Bible.

These are just the verses, you may have to read the whole chapter, several chapters and in some cases, the whole book (e.g. Malachi), to get it into context.

It took me several months to complete the study, it might take you less or more, but please PRAYERFULLY study for yourself.
2 Tim 2:15; 2 Tim 3:16;

You may use bible.com for several translations and easy bookmarking.

I hope I didn't leave any out, If I have, please post it, so it can be added.

May God grant us understanding of His word.



Gen_14:20 And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.

Gen_28:22 And this stone, which I have set for a pillar, shall be God's house: and of all that thou shalt give me I will surely give the tenth unto thee.

Lev_27:30 And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD'S: it is holy unto the LORD.

Lev_27:32 And concerning the tithe of the herd, or of the flock, even of whatsoever passeth under the rod, the tenth shall be holy unto the LORD.

Lev_27:31 And if a man will at all redeem ought of his tithes, he shall add thereto the fifth part thereof.

Num_18:24 But the tithes of the children of Israel, which they offer as an heave offering unto the LORD, I have given to the Levites to inherit: therefore I have said unto them, Among the children of Israel they shall have no inheritance.

Num_18:26 Thus speak unto the Levites, and say unto them, When ye take of the children of Israel the tithes which I have given you from them for your inheritance, then ye shall offer up an heave offering of it for the LORD, even a tenth part of the tithe.

Num_18:28 Thus ye also shall offer an heave offering unto the LORD of all your tithes, which ye receive of the children of Israel; and ye shall give thereof the LORD'S heave offering to Aaron the priest.

Deu_12:17 Thou mayest not eat within thy gates the tithe of thy corn, or of thy wine, or of thy oil, or the firstlings of thy herds or of thy flock, nor any of thy vows which thou vowest, nor thy freewill offerings, or heave offering of thine hand:

Deu_14:22 Thou shalt truly tithe all the increase of thy seed, that the field bringeth forth year by year.

Deu_14:28 At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay it up within thy gates:

Deu_12:6 And thither ye shall bring your burnt offerings, and your sacrifices, and your tithes, and heave offerings of your hand, and your vows, and your freewill offerings, and the firstlings of your herds and of your flocks:

2Ch_31:5 And as soon as the commandment came abroad, the children of Israel brought in abundance the firstfruits of corn, wine, and oil, and honey, and of all the increase of the field; and the tithe of all things brought they in abundantly.

2Ch_31:6 And concerning the children of Israel and Judah, that dwelt in the cities of Judah, they also brought in the tithe of oxen and sheep, and the tithe of holy things which were consecrated unto the LORD their God, and laid them by heaps.

2Ch_31:12 And brought in the offerings and the tithes and the dedicated things faithfully: over which Cononiah the
Levite was ruler, and Shimei his brother was the next.

Neh_10:37 And that we should bring the firstfruits of our dough, and our offerings, and the fruit of all manner of trees, of wine and of oil, unto the priests, to the chambers of the house of our God; and the tithes of our ground unto the Levites, that the same Levites might have the tithes in all the cities of our tillage.

Neh_10:38 And the priest the son of Aaron shall be with the Levites, when the Levites take tithes: and the Levites shall bring up the tithe of the tithes unto the house of our God, to the chambers, into the treasure house.

Neh_12:44 And at that time were some appointed over the chambers for the treasures, for the offerings, for the firstfruits, and for the tithes, to gather into them out of the fields of the cities the portions of the law for the priests and Levites: for Judah rejoiced for the priests and for the Levites that waited.

Neh_13:5 And he had prepared for him a great chamber, where aforetime they laid the meat offerings, the frankincense, and the vessels, and the tithes of the corn, the new wine, and the oil, which was commanded to be given to the Levites, and the singers, and the porters; and the offerings of the priests.

Neh_13:12 Then brought all Judah the tithe of the corn and the new wine and the oil unto the treasuries.

Amo_4:4 Come to Bethel, and transgress; at Gilgal multiply transgression; and bring your sacrifices every morning, and your tithes after three years:

Mal_3:8 Will a man rob God? Yet you have robbed Me. But you say, In what have we robbed You? In the tithe and the offering!

Mal_3:10 Bring all the tithe into the storehouse, so that there may be food in My house. And test Me now with this, says Jehovah of Hosts, to see if I will not open the windows of Heaven for you, and pour out a blessing for you, until there is not enough room.

Mat_23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Luk_11:42 But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Luk_18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

Heb_7:2 To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;

Heb_7:4 Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.

Heb_7:5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:

Heb_7:6 But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.

Heb_7:8 And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.

Heb_7:9 And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.

https://www.nairaland.com/1470181/all-mention-tithe-tithes-tenth

The Lord bless you and everyone else who will make up their mind to study this subject for themselves and found the truth in God's word.