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jairusben:
with this your grammar

TAO11:
gregyboy my rag:

Note that I will have to re-copy and paste some of the disgraceful (for Benin kingdom) comments here to the new page in case this hits page 4.

Just so you know, in case that’s your plan.

TAO11:
No, I am disgracing you, not trolling you. Big difference.

Also, Ryder didn’t disprove anything, he simply suggested an hypothesis in 1965.

Grab an Edo dictionary an English dictionary for the meaning of “suggestion” and “hypothesis”.

I am not trying to disprove Ryder’s work.

Instead, Ryder is said by Professor Elizabeth A. Isichei, by Professor Peter U. Isichei, by Professor Adam Knobler (among others) to have abandoned his earlier 1965 hypothesis in his 1969 work.

So, take it up with these Professors of African history, or you frustrate your parents to buy you Ryder’s 1969 book so you can disgrace all these Professors.

TAO11:
I dey hustle my money ••• You wan follow me chop am ••• Na me bring you come Lagos? ••• I resemble your papa?

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12985414_34b5d00d7efa48018a84fafa579e6cc9_jpeg_jpeg5324120ac029a7bdce8f7e49ab3e0bf4

(1) Four years after the hypothesis in the above attachment has been put forward by A. F. C. Ryder; he himself is reported in a joint publication by Professors Elizabeth Allo Isichei & Peter Uche Isichei to have abandoned his own hypothesis.

These professors of African history note in their joint work, “A History of Nigeria”, as follows:

“It is noteworthy that Ryder, who questioned the Ife connection and argued the case for the linkages with a northern kingdom, abandoned the line of argument in his later book, Benin and the Europeans.”

Reference:
https://books.google.com/books?id=96ZzAAAAMAAJ&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=northern+kingdom

Elizabeth A. Isichei & Peter Uche Isichei, “A History of Nigeria”, Longman (1983), Volume 2, p. 137.


(2) Furthermore to this, even if Ryder had failed to retrace his steps, his hypothesis (which has yielded no result till date) has been devastatingly debunked by many subsequent research — one of which is by Robin Horton which I have particularly expounded on at the link below.

https://www.nairaland.com/6048841/how-unveil-promote-ancient-igbo/55#93649575

TAO11:
I am only obliged to cite materials — which I have done.

Buying books for you is a no no for me.

I am not one of your family members.

Cry to your parents.

Are they so poor?

TAO11:
The bottom line: Your own authority slaughtered you.

And that’s not even Ryder first of all.

Learn to live with the disgrace.

This too shall soon pass.

TAO11:
No, I am obliged to simply cite the materials.

And your parents are supposed to do the buying for you. Not me.

Stop making excuses for your generally poor parents.

TAO11:
Dull gregyboy is now running away from his own evidence which backfired against him.

Anyways, thank you for attaching it and for helping me make your evidence go viral.

TAO11:
Who is the sick European lady?

Gregyboy is a dullard ••• Yes we know. Why is he a dullard? ••• That is for him to answer. We can only observe that he is a dullard.

Like I always say, Professor Elizabeth A. Isichei & Professor U. Isichei have cited a reference to Ryder’s work — noting that he abandoned his prior hypothesis.[An hypothesis not even a finding].

If you must verify that from the material they cited (Ryder, 1969); that is parents responsibility — not theirs, neither mine.

Their duty (and my hence duty) is to simply cite the book in question — Ryder, 1969 — which they have done.

It is now your parents’ duty to buy you the book — not their duty and not my duty.

TAO11:
Like I always say, of all Benin liars you are the dullest.

What you attached is not Ryder’s “Benin and the Europeans (1979)” which is a 372-page book.

Instead, what you attached is a review of Ryder’s book by H. M. Feinberg. And this review is only a 6-page article.

Having exposed that, I kind of find this Feinberg’s article interesting — especially on the 4th page of the article (i.e. page 408 of the journal) as embedded below:

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12986307_cd0cad165eb8454db1bd6664c8914eea_jpeg_jpeg2ba98fc2ae49ebb8fa9f398e3f7b7b91

Do you still like this article??

In any case, this is NOT Ryder’s 372-page book. Rather, this is Feinberg’s 6-page article which is only a review.

TAO11:
(1) Four years after the hypothesis in the above attachment has been put forward by A. F. C. Ryder; he himself is reported in a joint publication by Professors Elizabeth Allo Isichei & Peter Uche Isichei to have abandoned his own hypothesis.

These professors of African history note in their joint work, “A History of Nigeria”, as follows:

“It is noteworthy that Ryder, who questioned the Ife connection and argued the case for the linkages with a northern kingdom, abandoned the line of argument in his later book, Benin and the Europeans.”

Reference:
https://books.google.com/books?id=96ZzAAAAMAAJ&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=northern+kingdom

Elizabeth A. Isichei & Peter Uche Isichei, “A History of Nigeria”, Longman (1983), Volume 2, p. 137.


(2) Furthermore to this, even if Ryder had failed to retrace his steps, his hypothesis (which has yielded no result till date) has been devastatingly debunked by many subsequent research — one of which is by Robin Horton which I have particularly expounded on at the link below.

https://www.nairaland.com/6048841/how-unveil-promote-ancient-igbo/55#93649575

lkillbrokehoes:
My man, this is the kind of people that inspire me to work harder not those Useless yahoo boys out there

TAO11:
Summary For Quick Referencing

[[s]b](1)[/b] “Yoruba” Founded In 1808 ??
DEBUNKED:
https://www.nairaland.com/6234931/why-ikwerres-not-igbo-logic/25#96567759

(2) No Relationship Between Ife and Benin Prior To The 1800s ??
DEBUNKED:
https://www.nairaland.com/6234931/why-ikwerres-not-igbo-logic/9#96323798
OR
https://www.nairaland.com/6087424/benin-ife-myth-shouldnt-circulated#93803726

(3) Binis Militarily Invaded, Conquered, Settled in Lagos, and then Installed an Edo Prince as The First King ??
DEBUNKED:
https://www.nairaland.com/6286709/ijebu-vs-jebusite/1#96593783

(4) Binis Own The Word “Oba” ??
DEBUNKED:
https://www.nairaland.com/6234931/why-ikwerres-not-igbo-logic/15#96513655

(5) Benin Obtained TRIBUTES from OYo ??
DEBUNKED:
https://www.nairaland.com/6291440/benin-remain-center-west-africa/1#96792413

(6) Benin Ruled Certain Eastern-Yoruba Kingdoms ??
DEBUNKED:
https://www.nairaland.com/6234931/why-ikwerres-not-igbo-logic/15#96519494

Cheers![/s]

TAO11:
It is my duty to provide detailed references to the materials I cite.

It is your parents’ duty to buy you the materials.

Now, face your parents squarely.

StarFire08:
Yes ,and stay in ekosodin too(Newton)

TAO11:
Benin borrowed “Oba” from Yoruba. That has been established. Yes, I know it’s a painful reality for you all, but I won’t advice that you cry. However, feel free to cry if that would help you cope with the sad reality.
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Benin Owns The Word “Oba” ?? ••• DEBUNKED:
https://www.nairaland.com/6234931/why-ikwerres-not-igbo-logic/15#96513655

(1) The earliest known written usage of the word “Oba” for a Benin monarch is in the 1860s.

(2) The word “Oba” as used for Yoruba monarchs may be seen for example in an 1845 publication.

The Binis will soon be around to explain how the 1860s is earlier than the 1840s. LMAO!

(3) The word “Oba” (as is to be expected) has no literal meaning whatsoever in the Bini language.

(4) The word “Oba” (as is to be expected) does have a literal meaning in the Yoruba language.

(5) Refer to the link posted at the top for a detailed summation:

StarFire08:
Where in ekosodin? Are you a student too??

Gabbriell:
May be I am, but my points are valid.

Most Edo state children are touts and cultists due to improper upbringing from their parents.

Gabbriell:
No sir, you guys lack proper upbringing.

All Edo parents deserve 12 strokes of cane every month for failing to do their jobs as parents.

Odewaleadesoye:
https://punchng.com/varsities-closure-students-threaten-to-beat-up-lecturers-says-uniben-vc/

DenreleDave:
Tao11 pls come fvck dis guys ass again

Ideadoctor:
hear the pervert!

Ideadoctor:
I sight you again hater,waiting Yoruba do you,? this boy? Yoruba issue will not kill you,in fact,opo

Balogunodua:
Cry me a river...

The people admitted to been raided and you are still asking for prove.. Abi u Don de Smoke dry shit ni

TAO11:
In his mind he’s saying:

“The worst thing Tao can do to me is to humiliate me and Benin kingdom. I’ve already endured worse than that. So, I have no shame no more.”

TAO11:
Don’t worry too much, the slave-raids happened!

Several of your daddies and mommies already admitted it. LMAO!

Not one Edo group group, not two, not three, not four, not five, but several Edo groups all independently confessed that their daddies and mommies were slave-raided by the Yorubas.

Oyo Empire constantly raided by Dahomey and Nupe??

Did you get high on battery water ??

Oyo Empire defeated by Dahomey and Nupe ?

Somebody is clearly high on a dangerous substance.

You probably meant that Dahomey was harassed by Oyo for literally 100 years after which Oyo prioritized more pressing internal troubles.

Nupe defeated Oyo Empire ??

At this point I think your insecurities and your “we’re-going-down-together” attitude has just hit an all-time high.

So what if Afonja plotted a coup ??

Did Benin not plot a coup against itself which caused your kingdom to be reduced to a mere village ??

Did Afonja’s coup stop several Edos subgroups from being sold into slavery by the Yorubas ??

Another failed attempt at a moronic analogy.

Fulani herdsmen and bandit is not a kingdom with a capital or specifically identifiable territory.

The slave-raids by the Yorubas, on the other hand, was from well-defined kingdoms whose territories are known and remembered till date by the Edo slave-victims.

I would have expected Benin kingdom to have declared war and attacked Ibadan, or Ilesha, or Ilorin. LMAO!

Moreover, the Nupes did more than slave-raiding; they actualled installed ajeles on these Edo lands from where tributes are remitted back to Nupe land.

Benin kingdom couldn’t do sh*t.

Bottom Line:
Edos subgroups such as: Ora, Emai, Ishan, Ivbi-Ada-Obi, Lankpese, Ososo, Ekpe, Ekpessa, and many others (who are all descendants of Benin city and whose respective territories are within Benin kingdom) were slave-raided and sold into slavery by some different Yoruba groups at different times.

Cheers!