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KingEbukasBlog:
Good job bro. Keep pushing him till admits he does not know but then he'll disappointingly end it with "...but its not God" . Oh well

Lol
What are you feeling like.

Sure you think you will get a medal or what?

Dejideji1:
Don't mind him, i know when i push him to the wall, that is what he will eventually say.

You just fvcked up big time.
Would have made sense for you to keep making your points and asking questions. I was really enjoying the flow. Don't expect any reply from me anymore not with this attitude.

Dejideji1:
Your explanation still doesn't disprove the the idea of the creationists. Let's look at it practically, As a Creator if you want to create a living thing, let's say man for example, which of the things currently in existence would you create first?

Definitely you would have to create the things he will need to survive first, i can't create man before creating plants for instance because he won't survive.

So your idea of something evolving on what is available to survive is still justified by the idea of creationists. (You were formerly a Christian and you know the sequence of creation in Genesis)

Thus the explanation you gave still doesn't rule out the existence of an intelligent mind(God) behind creation.




Let me shed more light on what i meant by chaos in that context.

In the absence of chaos, there is orderliness, like i said, take a look around you and see things for yourself.
Examples to prove orderliness in nature are many let me sight some of them:
-day and night sequence
-seasons
-water cycle

-planets in orbits (note how accurate/orderly it is for Kepler to generate laws and equation for it.)

-DNA sequence
-food chain (note the cycle living things go through, its so well planned that everything is utilized, and becomes food to the other)
And many more..

A system in chaos can not have any of those listed above

You make a lot of sense.
At this point everyone can choose what he wants to. It makes sense that a creator created things in order to survive on each other and it also makes sense that things evolved depending on each other. Examining the idea of an intelligent creator would require finding the origin of such a creator for such a creator too can't be a product of chance. So where does that leave us?

I am feeling you. Ride on

tonio2wo:

I really thought u know ur onions but feigning ignorance to this question shows you r not being sincere to ur quest of being an atheist (ur problem though)
You sound like someone who feels betrayed by god and wants to get back at him by disbelieving him.

Mind u, I am not a religious or churchious person. I thought I have met someone that can give cogent reasons/proofs of the in existence of gods. I was wrong!

Have a great life.

Ok.
All you had to do was to be specific. There are so many presumed supernatural powers. I am not here to assume.

Dejideji1:
I have been carefully following your replies to tempem, but after reading this particular one, i felt the urge to cut in.

You said, everything will die, agreed. But there is something you are not sensitive enough to note, or chose to ignore. In the latter part of your reply above, haven't you noticed the cycle and intricate interdepence in nature?

Pls how can we account for those cycles and interdependence if an intelligent mind is not behind it? If everything came into being by chance as science believe, then the earth and the universe at large would be in a state of chaos.

Just take a look around you and see the orderliness in nature.

Beautiful.
These are the questions I relish.

When you look around and study nature closest to you, you would notice that everything seems to survive on what is immediately available to them.

You can either look at this as a proof that these organisms were designed to survive on each other OR you could choose to see them as evolving to make use of what is immediately available to them.

Eg why should carnivores exist? It would have been simpler to have herbivores only. But carnivores have to chase their prey and struggle to kill them before they can feed. So why have carnivores?
For one, digestion of meat is far more easier than digestion of vegetation.

So the way I see it, every organism has evolved to survive on what is immediately available.

Plants evolved before animals. By the time animals were evolving oxygen was abundant, thanks to the plants and the easiest thing to feed on was the plants. Process of extracting energy out of the starch in the plants means animals would need oxygen so it was natural that animals evolved to breath in oxygen to enable this digestion to be possible.

So our dependence on each other is due to our history. We are all related. Even animals to plants and we all make use of what is available to survive.

Dejideji1:
If everything came into being by chance as science believe, then the earth and the universe at large would be in a state of chaos.

Why do you thinks what we have now is not chaos?

If I scattered letters of the alphabets on the floor, you have words like.


Hgjdeid

Saghsy

Owuyewtyek

Sdh

Siuwty

Sduswayu

Lkjdui

To you these words may not make any sense because your mind has been trained to expect some words you are familiar with.

But really those random words make sense if we choose to give them meaning. The words I type in english only makes sense to you because we gave them meaning.

So there can be order in disorder.

What makes you think clay or water are not alive in their own way? What makes you think dust and stone are not alive in their own way?

you only partially understand the world you think you understand. In reality it is possible that there is nothing like chaos.

johnydon22:
Nope everything dies, the sun, the moon the stars... they are all caught in the doom of universal catastrophe.

even the universe itself.

You outlive a mosquito that lives just 9 days, these are all varying timeline of a blinkful existence in a vast cosmos of colliding causalities and annihilation.

That is just it.

dollyjuke:
Continue playing with ban

Hehehe I like this man. Seems you are speaking from experience. Ban no be good thing o

Ranchhoddas:
Wrong guy

Oooops. So sorry. Will modify my post now.

tempem:
Am not even going there.
What am trying to let us picture is this..

Let's examine what our life here on earth centers on.
I hope you got me now?

Your life centers on the expectations of the society you live in or what you choose for yourself if you are a non-conformist.

Let's keep to the topic please.

Thank you.

Keep the questions coming

tempem:
But the person who did the act is happy that he's made himself happy and here, you are sad about what has happened.
What's that to be called? I don't get it, bro.

Selfishness or being inconsiderate.

How does these questions have to do with me, atheism or religion?

Start asking relevant questions and don't take my attention for granted

Hehehe
Good croc

Hope she was pouting too

tempem:
And if any member of your family is being saddened or even if it affected you, for example, someone maimed you, or your kids.. Won't that sadden you?

It would.

tempem:
That shows you can sadden someone just to fill in your desire, right?

Yes I can.

tempem:
I love your honesty.
The fact is, we all want to live...
But, it's a wishful dream. 'cause sooner or later we'll die.
Now, why are we even here? Just to live shortly and die? Right?

I think because we humans are intelligent we can choose to give our lives any purpose we choose. Even if it means being a suicide bomber. Else we should just live, enjoy it while it lasts (or suffer it while it lasts) and then die

tempem:
You sure don't wish to die now, do you?

If I can avoid it, yes I will want to stay alive.

tonio2wo:
Supernatural powers. Things out of the ordinary. We are africans, we see such around us.

Like what?

tempem:
Yeah..
But the sun, moon and the stars stays.. You met those things and you'll leave them here.
Be honest, do you find the thought that one day "you'll die" and interesting one?

Absolutely! Death is a fascinating subject. I want to enjoy life as long as possible and I want my life to be pleasant.
Everything will "die" even the sun. Even the planets. Our life and death are all necessary. If plants don't die, how would I have food to eat? If animals don't die how would plants have food to eat?

tonio2wo:
I think you know what I mean sir. We are not discussing movies here.
Its a simple question, do u think there are supernatural powers in this world?

Ok. Help me understand you better. What supernatural powers are you referring to?
I am sincerely lost here.

tempem:
Okay.
But those things you mentioned are still very much present. They've outlived humans.
But humans live so shortly, and will eventually die.

Just like many other things die

Richirich713:
That's basically what I said, it's a matter of human opinion, like chocolate and vanilla.

Ok. Same thing I just said. Moral is subjective to individuals and society.

tempem:
Relax, I believe you are intelligent and reasonable.
Just answer me.

What other answer do you want? I just told you our lives are as relevant as pluto or an ant's life.

tonio2wo:
Do u think there are supernatural powers in this world?

I don't know what you mean by supernatural powers.
If you mean powers exhibited in movies. Then no, I don't believe they exist.

If you mean things we can't explain. I don't call such supernatural powers, I regard them as yet to be explained incidences.

petra1:
If someone tells you that The shirt you're wearing was not made by man but it existed by itself . What will be your response?

I will ask him to prove it, or I won't bother asking since I know I bought the shirt and it is general knowledge that shirts are manufactured by humans and there are enough evidences to support this

Richirich713:
So u wouldn't say it truly wrong to torture babies for fun?

I would say it is wrong to torture babies for what ever reason. As far as I am concerned, it is wrong. And that belief is subjective to me and others who believe same

tonio2wo:
Hmm
Why did u stop believing in God?

A lot of things did not add up. The bible was not what it claimed to be in real life.

There were so many evils perpetrated by God and I could not keep deceiving myself that such a God wsas not invented as an excuse to control people.

There is simple no evidence of God.

Which god was the real God?

tempem:
This is his point, if there is no God, what's the purpose of being on earth?

Ok. If that is what he means.
There are over a Billion billion stars. I don't know what purpose they all serve?. I don't know what purpose pluto serves. That is not enough reason for me to fabricate stories to give them a spiritual purpose. Same with us humans

tonio2wo:
Ur topic and post are confusing, are u the pastor or atheist?

Used to be a Pastor/evangelist now an atheist

Mods/ seun please uphold the laws of this forum. Thank you

Ofemmanu1:
You weren't a pastor, you'v got no brains and charisma to learn. If your brains exploded, it wouldnt even mess up your hair.

dblackninja:
This was and is the question:

Ok

Using herbs is an application of common sense. Saying God provided the herbs is just being religious. It in no way makes the herbs effective and you not thanking God does not make the herbs ineffective.

Anyone can claim any of the thousands of gods provided the herbs. So I see no relevance of a supposed God here.

Richirich713:
1) Is morality subjective or objective?

I believe it is subjective

dblackninja:
Is the question not safe enough for you my brother? You're already failing in your quest

What question? You said "the christian God" and I replied ok