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pocohantas:
Hathor5 must not see this.

Have you ever seen a cat with a wristwatch?
What makes you think it knows YOUR odd hour?

Nne, why do you call my attention to this extreme form of stupidity and cruelty? This wasn't even a grown cat, it was a kitten!

Romans valued cats highly for pest control and it is believed that the slaughter of cats allowed the rat population in Europe to boom and thus played a big part in increasing the spread of the plague around 1346. Guess what caused the slaughter of cats? Stupid beliefs that cats were involved in witchcraft. But that was in the Middle Ages!!!! We are in the 21st century now!

You can't imagine how this thread makes me feel.

poiunt:
I think you missed my point.

William and harry ancestors were commoners, a bold person in his ancestry lines started the organisation of the community that lead to the monarchy, also intermarriages between different monarchy sustained it.

As i wrote earlier, Every wealth was once started by a poor man who wanted better.

Even those born into wealth, Somebody who was poor in the family started creating the wealth

Believe whatever you want to believe. Statistics show that it is very rare and very hard to make it from rags to riches.

ImaIma1:
Any beans lovers like me?

If the beans look like this, I have a lot of love for them.

Petyprincess:
Hey sweetie,thanks for posting

Wishing you a wonderful day!

pocohantas:
My sister, no be every sibling get same mindset. Sometimes, one may need to take a stand and allow them sort themselves out. I am very averse to some kind spending, make person no try make me party to such.

Fortunately my siblings are very reasonable. This suggestion came from my junior brother and I was like YES! I don't need you to spend money on me after I have passed. Spend money on me while I am still breathing!

Lmao! That is a very nice to thing to do. A lot of Nigerians do not prepare for their death. They just keep binding and casting it.

I must admit that I copied it from oyinbo. They even have saving funds for this because even without a lavish party, a burial can be quite costly.

poiunt:
Yes, all fortunes were all created by formerly poor men

Nobody was born rich

Riches are created by men

William and Harry weren't born poor. They were born into a rich royal family. So was their father and their grandmother and their great-grandfather. You get the point. Extreme wealth is more often inherited than made. Most people who make in life had at least some opportunities right from the start, e.g. access to education.
People who make it from poverty to wealth are the exception, not the rule.
Some people lost their businesses due to the pandemic, not because of their lifestyle.
Between rich and poor there is something called the middle class. It's not all black and white.

Dinner yesterday.

Lunch today. I need to save calories for the evening. I am eating out tonight.

pocohantas:
Many of us are also looking for explanations.

How much did his sisters contribute?

If you want an extravagant ceremony, be able to sponsor it, that is my own. I am not joining to raise 500k for a burial, when there are many needy LIVING persons. It is against the ethics of common sense and humanity.

One way of avoiding it is to discuss such issues within the family. Me and my siblings have agreed that we want the cheapest burial possible. Some older folks in the family don't like our progressive approach but it's ok. Change can start with us.

I have even started saving money for my own burial as not to burden the family in times of grief because they will miss me very very much.

cococandy:
This was at the tip of my tongue.
I don’t know why more people don’t get married and keep child bearing at bay until they can afford it.
We should normalize having children ONLY when we can cater for them. Kids are a huge responsibility in marriage.

Imagine if two poor people got married and decide to wait a few years before kids, then no one has to sit at home wait for the struggles of the other to feed the family. Maybe they can both hustle together to save for when they start having children. If they have no food to eat on certain days, it will be more bearable because there are no teary eyed kids waiting helplessly for food.

All that rush to bring children into suffering. I don’t get it.

I guess one reason is that Nigerians like to quote the Bible instead of using their brains to reason logically.

NerdyRudeGyal:
Nigerians do treat "marriage and procreation as one and the same". Telling Nigerians not to have kids or to control the number after getting married isn't a bad idea, but it would be a futile effort b|c most Nigerians get married with the intention of having kids, love sex, believe in the idea that babies bring blessings, may face pressure from relatives to have kids/more kids/a male child, etc. There was one thread I was reading last week in which a NLder was seeking financial assistance to pay for her hospital bills, buy medicine ('drugs') and baby things. When another NLder asked why she and the spouse didn't wait until they were financially-capable to have a second child her exact reply is that having one child is like being barren. I can't write yoruba well but I recall she used the word "agon" (barren woman) and knew what that meant after watching a Nollywood movie with that title last year, starring Mercy Aigbe. Who knew having only one child is synonymous to being barren? So, while your suggestion is quite good, I doubt the feasibility in Nigeria. I suppose urging people to have enough money/savings before getting married or at least sit down and create a budget if they know they'll be having a child soon after getting married (hospital costs, food, baby things, etc, should be considered) might work. But iunno. It's hard to advice Nigerians, lol.

Over here, you can have as many kids as you want without paying a dime (no hospital costs or whatever). Parents even receive monthly tax-free benefits from the gov't for having a child. Yet, even with all the free stuff available (healthcare, education, money, etc), I don't see people having too many kids. In fact, what you've suggested is what I've seen here - people getting married and deciding not to have kids, or controlling the number (one or two kids max). I know one couple who have been married for 3 years and are yet to have a child, not because they can't afford to or they've to worry about hospital, schooling, etc - as these things are free, but according to them, they're not ready to have any child b|c they want to travel the world first (they take several vacations every year). People should simply make the best decision for themselves and live their life as they deem fit, I guess.

I enjoyed reading your post. I know how Nigerians 'reason' though the word 'reason' is totally out of place here. They are and will continue paying the price for their irrational thinking and behavior.

LewsTherin:
Even Jesus, whether you believe He is God, a god, a prophet, a great teacher, whichever, even Jesus said "the poor will always be with us"

Even in a poor remote village, there are still people there considered poor by others who themselves admit they are poor.

So should those who are poor not aspire to something? Anything? Should they not hope that by getting married they would be able to achieve....something? That something may not be clear, may not even make sense to you and I, but it is all they can hope for. Afterall, hope without which, men die.

Should they not aspire to getting....something, anything, in their state of despair and hopelessness? Even if only the love and companionship of yet another person who may just be as poor or even poorer than them?

Should they be denied the hope that maybe their children would be able to break the cycle of poverty they have found themselves in? And be kept from having children because they are poor and in a cycle of poverty?

To quote Gandalf, "even the wise cannot see all ends"

I have a question though. How "comfortable", how "stable", how much in earnings can be considered as enough to go ahead to get married and not be considered as too poor for marriage?

First of all, I agree that there will always be (relatively) poor people. And I agree that they should aspire to something but not to anything at all cost. I also agree that marriage could be one way of alleviating their situation because a spouse can offer great comfort and even practical support. Everyone deserves to be loved and nobody should be denied the warmth of a relationship/marriage. I agree with all of it.

Where I disagree is that they should have children and hope that there children will be their way out of poverty. What makes a poor man think that his children will be able to achieve what he hasn't been able to achieve considering the fact that he has no means of providing them with a conducive environment to making it out of poverty? Will he be able to at least give them the necessary education opportunities and support?

I find it very selfish to bring children into this world and place the burden on them to live life on your own terms and in your own selfish interest. I know this is the Nigerian way because the pension funds are unstable and unreliable and this is where I agree with the OP that the system must change. Children should be able to strive and achieve autonomy and not carry the burden of saving their families. Children are not their parents' properties and should be allowed at some stage to find their own path instead of having to fulfill what their parents have failed to.

How many children slave in someone else's family to feed their parents and siblings watching the children of the family they are working for living the good life? How many children are abused in such arrangements? Childhood is a very short period in every person's life and should be protected.

I am not saying that poor people should not have children at all. This attitude led the former Prime Minister of India (Indira Gandhi) to human rights violations. She ordered the authorities to force sterilization on the poor population. This is a very dangerous and unfair attitude but even a poor man or woman should be reasonable enough to consider their children's well-being first and foremost.

Takotsubo:
This marriage is dead.

The man is begging because he was convinced by pastor,what happens if he joins another church and he starts blaming her again.

How can someone be a whole witch and still remain poor? What's the point in witchery then? Is it just to scare people and do meeting?

She had to accept because of the joint pressure from the community.

Offer this woman 5 million to start a new life and let's see if she wil forgive

All we have here is a woman who will be bitter for most of her life and will find a way to pour her frustration one way or the other.

Personally,I can only forgive behaviours that I'm capable of so if I say I've forgiven ,it's probably cos I've done same or planning to do same at some point in future

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BlewLemon:
In my opinion the OP of that particular thread didn't actually insult poor people rather he only questioned the rationale behind getting entangled whilst not being financially balanced.

Read the comments on the thread not only the OP.

@Firstnebo

This is a very good piece of writing and you raised many valid points. I also appreciate your final message in which you say that people should be fighting the system and not the victims.

When I saw the thread I didn't understand why people would treat marriage and procreation as one and the same thing. You can have one without the other. You can get married and not give birth at all or at least control the number of children you are going to have. Is the system so broken that we can't make birth control accessible and teach couples about family planning?

I also don't see how the richer folks think that they can ride the moral high horse when the high number of children born every year is not only a problem in terms of poverty but also a problem to the ecosystem.

A toxic relationship is a relationship that has a negative impact on you in one or several ways. It is a relationship you have to work on continuously and justify the effort before yourself or others.

Unnerve:
You're twisting yourself into various shapes just to accommodate your disbelief.

All I ever stated was that there are studies proving the existence of witchcraft. This would encompass witches, sages, fortune-telling, black magic, occultism, etc.

You're quite good at sourcing links & posting articles if I remember correctly. Perhaps you should do that on this subject if it means that much to you.

Oh no no no, you took it many steps further. You even stated that there are children witches insinuating that they have some dark supernatural powers so I am asking you again: Is there any credible study/research/proof that witchcraft is effective?

Unnerve:
Yup, and there are people who say they are homosexual and we all agree they're not insane.

So you're allowed to identify as god.

You are not your best self today.

Call me God from today on. Worship me. I could curse or bless you. You never know.

Unnerve:
You have still not made a point. What's your issue with Oxford? They have no studies on withcraft, is this your point?

Have they proven that witches have superpowers or studied the practices of witchcraft and the persecution of witches in the Middle Ages? Which one is it? If by any chance they have proven that witches have superpowers and effective spells, kindly direct me to this research because I will consider the use of witchcraft in my life.

Unnerve:
Totally not the reason I shared that stuff, it was simply to show the existence of witchcraft.

Only one of the bunch was reluctant to be photographed, others were not. Your point?

Just because someone says they are a witch does not mean they actually are or have any supernatural powers. If that is so then from now on I will identify myself as God.

Unnerve:
Your point is not being made. Get to it so I can respond appropriately.

You are intelligent enough to get my point but not confident enough to confess you totally missed the mark by comparing oxygen to witchcraft and misleading people by mentioning Oxford.

Prestonn:
Village kitchen

Spaghetti and Clams

INGREDIENTS

●Extra virgin olive oil
●Garlic
●Tomatoes
●white wine
●Black pepper
●Parsley

Beautiful and salty I guess, right?

cococandy:
because there’s America in the description doesn’t make them any more witches than these cocopuffs in this story.

Because they believe they are and openly practice their trade doesn’t actually make them so.
At least not in the supernatural “powerful” way that people believe witches have power.
Like someone can be an alfa, native doctor and witch in their garb and what they call themselves.

Doesn’t mean they have the power they try to convince people they do.

I am not sure he read the link he posted. One of these women who identifies herself as a witch was reluctant to be photographed due to possible ridicule. And I am yet to see American children accused of witchcraft ending up in the streets or women being divorced for the same reason. Totally nuts!

Unnerve:
My purpose here is not to prove that the woman in the story is not a witch, far from it. I only commented with the intention to correct the lady who tried to discount the existence of witches generally.

Honestly, anyone who truly does not to believe in the existence of witchcraft should also not believe in oxygen. Balance is essential to human existence and wherever good exists, evil does also. Light exists, so does darkness.
No amount of civilization can change this.

Oxford University with its acclaimed status has dedicated resources to studying witchcraft and its history and came up with materials validating its existence and the supernatural, its not something that should be discounted simply on the basis of 'I don't believe'.

As for child witches, they exist. My sympathy for them is because I don't think they are completely aware of what they are or can control what was done to them. They were initiated and probably manifested without intention.

Now, of course false accusations are commonplace. Differentiating who is really a witch and who is not, is where the issue is.

LMAO

You believe in oxygen or you know that it exists?

Did Oxford prove the effects and effectiveness of witchcraft?

Farki:
Are politicians and police not part of the society? Shouldn't the beatings have shaped them into not stealing public funds or harassment, extortion and unlawful killings of civilians?

All this talk about "moral values" yet Africans especially Nigerians are a global laughing stock known for corruption, stagnation and barbarity.

The global black community can keep deceiving themselves but the result is clear, this doesn't do jack anyone who thinks Africans have better morals than anywhere else is plain and simple deceiving themselves.

The same Africans will still run to the "less moral" countries because they know they will get their salaries on time and won't be killed for rituals.

If you replace "daughter" with "wife" watch as everyone here turns on the man and insults him because usual flogging is not done out of a desire to correct but because the person doing it wants to vent his anger on something.

You have said it all. 153 000 likes!

Hahjascho:
All the negative comments written above still clearly shows how immature and insecure many are on this forum..... especially at handling sensitive and secretive informations....smh

Just congratulate and vamoose......bad energy.

Don't mind them. It's just their own misery spilling over.

PrecisionFx:
So u mean that since I watched this video, I will no longer post my nudes online?

Godfiidence:
Look at it from a Father's perspective; Do you know the threat being a part of that whatsapp group could pose to the future and eventual adulthood of that girlchild?
Is it not better knowing you did your best than nothing at all if eventually the child ends up wrong?

all we saw is just a bit part of the whole picture. There definitely was a build up that led to him resorting to such measures. Let's not be quick to judge(it's a sunday people!)

No, never watched the circle(just googled it and it looks cool though)

His best? Really? Do Nigerians actually know any other ways to raise a child?

The Circle was cool. This is where I first heard of Godfidence.

Are you your wife's king or money machine or both?

Godfiidence:
massive Kudos to the Man for enforcing discipline in his home as without discipline we are no better than animals in the wild! Being richer than your father does not limit him from appropriately disciplining you when you err unless he is hungry and not aware of himself and role as a parent.
Think about it.

You can discipline children without abusing and humiliating them.

Have you picked your moniker after watching The Circle?

Petyprincess:
Happy Sunday

I have finally found you again.