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Danhumprey:
None of my business, tho. but honestly, this your post makes too much sense.

simple, Matic can't offer anything. whatever he could offer, Kante is offering more than that, doing his job as well as Matic job as a an. why waste a space in the team harbouring someone who contributes nothing major to the team?

play Fagregas instead, let him bring much needed creativity from the middle, relieve him of defensive work knowing fully well that Kante will cover for him.

how is that difficult for the pro-Matic fans to understand?


problem is, Lord Conte doesn't see it that way. the coach knows best.

There is nothing "much needed" about Fabregas creativity, when Chelsea are already on course for 95 points without it. Bloody gamblers.

Nihilist:
Some would argue that if Cahill had not given away a goal in the first place, there would be no need to 'win any points' as Chelsea already held a 1-0 lead and were very comfortable.

The whole idea of one player 'winning points' for a club is an intellectual non-starter. If a team wins a game by 1-0, the defence that didn't concede a goal is equally as important as the person who created the chance, and the person who converted it.

So this statement is as pointless as it is devoid of any real meaning.

It's as disingenuous as claiming that Fabregas comes off the bench to win us matches, when in most matches, Fabregas comes off the bench with the match already won.

Chelseafan1:
Lmao....it matters, Kante, Cahill, Luiz, Azpi are the defenders who have ensured we do not concede more than we should, Matic has been a carry - along.

Fabregas has earned us more points than him.
Fabregas over Matic for me.

I thought you said Cahill has nothing to do with it.

How many points has Fabregas won for Chelsea?

Chelseafan1:
I am not good at this, I leave this to Nihilist, he sure knows how to counter facts like this one.

It doesn't even matter as Matic contribution is ensuring we don't lose the game early in the match by conceding. All you need to know is that without Fabregas contributions, we would still be ahead in the league with some breathing space to boot.

Chelseafan1:
Fabregas has won more points for Chelsea than Matic.

No he hasn't. Count them. Almost all of Fabregas contributions come after the match is already won.

Chelseafan1:
Same way we would be comfortable without Matic.

As long as the person replacing Matic is not Fabregas. The only 3 players we can't replace are Kante, Azpi and Hazard. Every other player has replacement within Chelsea's reach.

Chelseafan1:
Make no mistakes please, we are top of the league with 10 points because of Kante, Hazard, Azpi, Costa, Pedro, Alonso, Courtois, Moses, don't include that mumu, all other players are supplementary part of the team, they are very well replaceable.

Cahill has won more points for Chelsea than Fabregas. Yesterday alone was 2 points.

bigkesh:
That question was for him because i know he prefers Ake and Chalobah to this Matic he is defending

Who told you that? Every young player with potential deserves spot on the bench and chance to shine does not mean you jettison proven results. Their current level is not on par with Matic but their future may be brighter.

nateevs:
What is the purpose of the risk? We are top of the table. Probably on our way to winning the title. Matic has been a massive part of that, not Fabregas.

But you want more.


How can I get such point?

These people think like tadpole. These are the kind of people you should never enter business partnership with, or they would lose you money.

Check all of them self, they are the prolific gamblers of this thread. All are Nairabet customers except maybe Bigkesh

Chelseafan1:
Coming from the bench, he has saved us more than twice this season, No?

How many equalisers or winners has Fabregas assisted this season? Count the points total of that and that is the sum total of his contribution to our season.

You guys just won't accept that we are comfortable with or without him.

Chelseafan1:
Matic isn't Chelsea's standard, watch him get relegated to the bench once the coach lands a better midfield Pair for Kante, Matic is just a carry - along this season..

As long as that midfield pair is not Fabregas, that's fine.

bigkesh:
Don't even try to bring Barca into this. .Fabregas didn't play in the midfield often because of Xavi and Iniesta, every time any of them was absent Fabregas steps into the midfield effortlessly

And he did so well, Barca sold him just when Xavi was about retiring.

"While it’s hard to put Barcelona’s fall from grace entirely on Fàbregas, it is, however, easy to see why he is among those who have received the most criticism. Out of all Barcelona’s midfielders, Fàbregas is the one who is dispossessed most times per game."

http://www.insidespanishfootball.com/112186/love-story-gone-wrong-why-cesc-fabregas-never-gained-camp-nous-affection/

Frame your story along the lines of Fabregas playing AM. Your attempt to shoehorn him into the midfield two will not work. The current midfield two is already leading the league by 10 points regardless of how crap you think Matic is.

Chelseafan1:
Of course, I will also pick Matic of 2014-2015 over Fabregas any day anytime, not this mugu that his foolishness has been exposed cause we now have Kante beside him, how did he fair last season b4 Kante came?

How did Fabregas fair last season before Kante came?

Every team needs two solid DM/CM. The coming of Kante is the help that we asked for for our depleted midfield over the last 4 years. You would be extremely foolish to think one is enough. Matic only now has what other midfielders take for granted, what Dembele has in Wanyama, what Gabi has in Augusto Fernandez etc.

You would be fool to think a squad only need one. Matic struggled because he was carrying Fabregas. While Kante may be better suited to carrying Fabregas, that is based on the assumption that Fabregas must play regardless. The evidence however, is Fabregas doesn't need to start to guarantee potentially our best league season ever. All we need him to do is come on late in games if we still need a breakthrough at that stage (which we often don't). That is his role which he is doing well. Accept it or drink otapiapia.

bigkesh:
What the Bleep is this?
Fabregas was asked to do what Matic did?why should Fabregas be asked to do what Matic does, whatever that is.. ..Ronaldo should be asked to do whatever Matic does and let's see
Fabregas should bring his own play into our game ,why not ask Matic to do what Fabregas does and let's see

Don't even try to bring Barca into this. .Fabregas didn't play in the midfield often because of Xavi and Iniesta, every time any of them was absent Fabregas steps into the midfield effortlessly
You are reading too much into what you think, the same Barca you claim didn't use Fabregas as midfielder is using Rakitic, Suarez and Gomes in the midfield so don't try to tell us Barca tried to keep Fabregas away from his goal, Xavi kept him away from that position


If Matic's job is just to be forming a robot on Low Battery in the midfield, I reckon Zouma can do a better job. .....
A DM that is not playing out of defence, winning tackles, driving ball forward, intercepting or passing, is that one a DM?

By the way Matic doesn't shield Nada,don't just show us instances where Fabregas was dispossessed under pressure, I can bring out Xavi's error if i dig deep.....You even had to go back to the UCL game in 300BC to prove a point...So Fabregas gets dispossessed under pressure 2-3 times are season and he can't shield #Wehdone sir

Give us clips showing Matic shielding the ball under pressure

Sorry you argue nonsense.

1. The central midfielder in 3-4-3 main role is to keep it tight. Fabregas is asked to do what that role requires. Chelsea win anyway with or without what Fabregas brings in terms of creativity. Fabregas cannot walk into Gabi's position at Atletico Madrid and say he is bringing his own flavour to Gabi's role, nor can he walk into Wanyamas position and say he is bringing his own flavour. What those guys are doing in their roles is already successful for their respective clubs. Don't be like the mugu that will ask what Wanyama did in the game because they saw no assist from him (nor even tackles). That team is set up to win 1-0 or 2-0 with the 3 forwards and wingbacks providing the attacking impetus just like Chelsea. All Wanyamas job is to keep it solid.

2. Matic shields the ball effortlessly. In 30+ games, you can't show us when Matic failed to shield the ball like Fabregas at West Ham. Shielding the ball under pressure is part and parcel of Matic midfield play and he does it without mistake. I don't need to show you where Matic shield the ball, any YouTube compilation will do that. You need to show me where Matic failed to shield the ball. . . . duh.


Fabregas failed in that task against West Ham. After all the noise, he failed to take the spot from Matic. We are still here, Matic is still starting, and Chelsea is still winning like we have been doing all season with Matic playing. Go and drink Lordfalcaos otapiapia.

Eruditor:
I can't argue with this because it makes sense however, the West Ham game is not a worthy example of a situation where Fabregas was dispossessed or dominated in midfield and that's the position I offered/am offering.

The pass from Azpi was too heavy and behind Fabregas who was out-muscled by a stronger Andy Carroll (who would have out-muscled Matic or Xavi in the same situation)

No he wouldn't. That ball got to Fabregas first. Xavi and Matic wouldn't have lost that ball. If the ball gets to you first and there is a man pressuring you from behind, there is no excuse for losing the ball. All you do is put your body in between the man and he either has to foul you or bounce off you. Fabregas did neither, and that is only one of umpteen occasions that has happened.

Eruditor:
What is this Fabregas slander? Physically dominated against West Ham bawo? The match Costa kept losing the ball? The same one West Ham kept hoofing the ball past the midfield?

The bad pass to Fabregas is the one he should have controlled well or used his body to cause a systemic foul? A foul that would have warranted a second yellow (as he had gotten one first half for doing the same thing).

Sorry, fouling is only the 2nd option. In the first place, he should never have been dispossessed. In that situation, a midfielder should easily throw his leg across the player breathing on him, stick his nyash out, and there is no way he would be dispossessed if he "full ground". In Naija that's where we use the terminology "that midfielder dey ground" ie hes got his body position, his core strength and his centre of balance right to ride pressure from behind.

Unfortunately Fabregas has a dangerous habit of turning over possession under physical pressure, too dangerous for me to feel comfortable with him playing that deep. That's why I prefer him in AM where his runs and finishing are 2nd to none. He did it several times last season leading to dangerous situations at our backline. Conte spotted that and removed him from the pivot where such actions are dangerous, and rightly so. Even 2 years ago in our victorious season, I particularly recalled this one that led to Schalke equaliser in UCL.

This is why when he was asked if he can replicate the Pirlo role for Conte in the summer, he said he can't. Not because he can't replicate Pirlos long passes, but because he can't ensure he won't get dispossessed in dangerous areas of the pitch unlike Pirlo.

This was the one that led to Schalke goal for example. Midfielder should be riding that sort of pressure from behind easily.


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Eruditor:
https://www.google.com.ng/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/sport/football/775828/Chelsea-player-ratings-West-Ham-United-sportgalleries/amp

3 sides to a story:

Your side. Their side. The Truth.

Sorry, the only truth we recognise is Whoscored. Show me the worst Chelsea player on the pitch.

bigkesh:
If your point is for me to prove to you that Fabregas is more composed and intelligent with the ball than Matic.. ....
.Then let me start by proving to you that we are on Nairaland and your moniker is Ibime

Stop talking absolute nonsense. The point is not about intelligence, the point is Fabregas is often unable to protect his ball unlike Matic. Fabregas is not a man you can trust with the ball with midfielders breathing on him, Matic is. I can show you several occasions where Fabregas was shaded off the ball leading to opposition goals and chances. This is why Barca could never trust him in Xavi role and found all manner of utility positions including false nine to keep him far away from his own goal.

Hotheads have been ranting, Matic does nothing, give Fabregas his shirt, until Fabregas was asked to do the job that Matic does, we started seeing the below.

We even had one mugu asking what a DM did yesterday in a match Chelsea conceded no shots on goal bar a bogus penalty. Tell that mugu his job is simply not to get bullied and dominated like Fabregas. Go and lick your wounds.

bigkesh:
Let's not forget Fabregas was also dispossessed against Burnley which lead to the free kick we conceded


Oh wait, that was Matic

By 3 men, and he didn't let them go. He fouled them which is what you're supposed to do. Causing a free kick is not the same as causing a goal.

Fabregas meanwhile was given a pass that midfielders receive all the time and did in one match what Matic has not done this season. . . allowing a clear run through midfield on our goalkeeper like a hot knife though butter.

Go and lick your wounds.

FBS:
@Ibime, you seriously can't blame Fab for that goal. Haba.

Who else would you blame? Any other midfielder receiving that ball won't be dispossessed of it. That is regular midfield contact, the type of which a midfielder is expected to put his body between ball and opposition and shield it. FYI Matic is the man who receives the ball in tight situations in the Chelsea midfield and that type of action is one he deals with regularly in a game. Niggas like Moussa Dembele of Spurs actually prefer to feel that contact on their back when receiving the ball than to receive it in clear space.

GeniusDavid:
The team had zero percent creativity today. scrapped the win via set-pieces when we were supposed to finish up Stoke early in the game with their open defence. Matic has been far from impressive ever since 2014/2015 season. Even though they were different subs, You think we would have won if Matic finished the game with Cesc on the bench?

And what happened when Cesc was given shirt against a physical midfield in West Ham? He showed why he is not to be trusted in the physical games, he was physically dominated and even dashed West Ham a goal. Next big match against Manure, Matic was back in.

All the Fabremoaners should go and lick their wounds. They screamed themselves hoarse, shouting upandan and catching heart attack in the most stress free season we have had as Chelsea fans since 2005. End of the day, we are still here and Matic is still preferred.

Go and lick your wounds.

Cassava!

He has cleared his name

Bimffo:
To the scouts on this thread.

How can we cash in on Willian and get Bernando Silva.?

We must not let this Monaco youngsters go like that.

At least let's get Benjamin Mendy and Bernando Silva. The rest may be out of our reach. But let us promise these 2 heaven and earth.


Scouts Nihilist, BigKesh, Lordfalcao, Papa Ibime. Over to you please. Do anything to get these 2.

He's good but too much of a no10 for me, though more versatile and does play on the wing, he still acts like a no10. I just don't like no 10 position cos it's redundant in modern football. The only no10 I would change stance for is Kevin De-Bruyne, and that's because he has a different interpretation of the role.

For me, if given the choice of a midfielder from Monaco, it's Thomas Lemar everyday. That boy has vision, urgency and delivery for days.

donjazet:
I once visited borokiri. We entered boat via jetti road in abuloma. There is this small gate that links FGGC school to okrika. I don't remember if jetti was actually the seaport. I was damn scared of the water. Is it true that Amaechi demolished all those parts?

FGGC Abuloma is in Okrika na. Abuloma, Amadi and Borokiri make up the three Okrika towns in PH.

Wetin carry you go FGGC? You go flex six-pack for those smallies? Sharp guy!

Amaechi demolished some waterfronts but Faka Jonathan stopped him somewhat. That was the source of his beef with the Jonathans.

Amaechi himself (or Uncle Uche as we used to call him) is a Borokiri boy. He was our next door neighbour. Dakuku Peterside lived in Amaechis BQ also. Dakuku used to play ball with us kids every now and then even. Dakuku and his boys still owe me money for bursting my ball because they borrowed my leather ball (that I bought in UK) to play Borokiri street tournament, instead of using bladder. . . and they burst it. They promised to pay, na soso story I dey hear for the next 2 years till I left Borokiri. Mind you in those days, we didn't have leather ball in Naija, only Bladder or Tango, so that thing pained me well well.

This Gladbach vs Schalke game is hot

Nihilist:
I've only ever passed through PH once on the way to Aba and I was like 7 or 8 years old. The ashi joints you could ever could have caught me in would be in Lagos or Ogun state

In those days, linking from East-West Road to Aba Road at Oil Mill junction barely constitutes entering PortHarcourt. I will say you entered Rivers State and flirted with the outskirts of Port-Harcourt

raumdeuter:
Just yanking your chain, I only know 2 places in Port Harcourt and na one ashi Joint close to Olu Obasanjo and the other ashi joint close to airforce base

Before where you go know if no be ashi joint? I sure say the only place you remember for Bonny na ashi joint too.

raumdeuter:
I heard Borokiri is the slum of Okrika, Its what Ajegunle is to VGC. When Okrika people are shopping for houseboys or Okrika big boys are looking for cheap lays they enter Borokiri

Is this true

Okrika man that wants to live in PortHarcourt but be among his people, and 20 minutes from home by flying boat would move to Borokiri. Borokiri is part of Okrika but in PH. Every level of strata dey Borokiri.

raumdeuter:
then can we say Mourinho is worse than Okrika, maybe he is a borokiri or Mile 1 manager

Borokiri is part of Okrika so they are one and the same.

Make Una stop dey use my hometown and my hood dey make jokes abeg.

Nihilist:
Chai I see Baba Rahman's name there sha

And that nigga barely made pitch. In the few games he played, he caused more goals than niggas who played all 38 games.

Nihilist:
What is this one talking about?

Na troll I dey troll that guy as Manyoo fan and you dey rake.

Which levels na?

OK I think say na your usual anti JM and pro Pep yarns.

Make I hold this L