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Oscar crap again.

First touch poor, passes astray, no vision and never got on the ball in the no10 position. Everybody was playing football, Oscar just running.

dawhizkid1:
Dominic Solanke is a Joke abeg.

NATHAN AKE!

The ninja only turned 17 last week.

Thís must be a reward for signing his first pro contract cos I see nothing that makes him look like a professional footballer. Maybe it's nerves.

Dhellake:
Schalke 4.-3 Sporting Lisbon


Good one for Di Matteo

My man. Good start for him.

Tval:
We are working towards that.

Train am well bros.

Ake has been impressive.

Solanke not yet a professional.

Fabregas and Hazard or Ivanovic should be given a rest this second half.

Teeeeeeeeerrrrryyy!!!

dawhizkid1:
Is this the point where we shout British hype? You buy into that British hype? But since you're playing a game of hypothethicals, let's play it together. If Raheem Sterling was a Brazilian, he won't get a cap till he dies. If Oscar was English, he would be the first name on their starting eleven.

I've said it before, I won't argue with you if you really believe Sterling and Draxler are better than Oscar.

Ramsey is 24.

Wikipedia is your friend. Ramsey is 23.

Wikipedia is your friend. Go and check Raheem's influence on his team vs Oscar.

If Fred was English, he won't get a cap till he dies. Brazil is a laughing stock in International football and Oscar is their no10.

We discussing a no10 whose no 4 behind him is outassisting and scoring him by 3 to 1. He should be ashamed of himself. That's like Ballack outproducing Lampard offensively by 2 to 1. Now imagine if Fabregas was no10.

dawhizkid1:
Honestly, there is no issue here if you rate Raheem Sterling and Julian 'I don't even make my national team starting XI' Draxler above Oscar. No issue really.

Funny enough, none of those guys can play as a classic number 10. You just have a problem with Oscar, I guess.

We are here in the Premier league mate. We see what Raheem Sterling is doing and how influential he is, scoring or assisting every game while Oscar struggles to get in the team. That's why Real are sniffing £70m bid for him.

The so called Oscar, two years in England can't even win a nomination for PFA Young Player of the year award and someone said he is one of the top in the world, yet can't make a list of 6 young players in England alone, something Raheem Stirling was nominated for last year - 4 years his junior.

Draxler can't make his National team, neither can Gotze who I just proved is not Oscars mate. If Oscar was German, he might not make the B squad sef.

I have not finished with my Under-23s. What of Aaron Ramsey, a ninja who is winning games week in, week out?

Oscar ko! Oscar ni!

Bimfo:
Dont mention any German here! Because Draxlers is playing well in German league, does not mean he will perform well in the English.. Draxlers is Over rated..!

Gotze is just a Normal player, he is not extra-Ordinary... Just like Muller..

And U even mention Sterling?? Are U serious about Sterling or you are trolling

Gotze is the topscorer in Bundesliga as we speak.

Gotze was the best player as Dortmund won two Bundesligas . . . at the age of 18

Gotze had 11 assists in 2013 UCL. . . and was the best player that took Dortmund to UCL final.

Oscar has never even made 10 assists in a full season.

Gotze shitted on Oscar in Brazil.

Oscar has never won any club trophy - UEFA Cup he was on the bench.

Gotze is 2 years younger than Oscar.

What has Oscar achieved in his career apart from riding bench in every big game and being part of some of the most disgraceful displays in Chelsea history such as losing to Shakhtar and Juventus woefully?

Please don't mention this outside this thread, lest you be ridiculed.

I won't even get into Sterling or Draxler. . . . Oscar even senior them with 4 years and they are more influential.

Bimfo:
Ibime just dont like a team that has a 10.. or would I say Ibime does not like a team that plays a 10 in the hole.. He fancies 4-3-3 to 4-5-1.. 3 'Centre' Midfielders that attacks and Defends, 2 Wingers that helps the Full backs, and 1 striker.. No number 10 like Oscar.. He prefers a number 8 like Vidal and Yaya Toure..

But lets get this Straight Ibime, Forget about Oscar previous Stats, and Check out the game on Saturday.. Oscar dint play as a 10.. he Operated mainly as an 8.. (Check what Fabregas said at the Post match talks)

Which brings the question, if Oscar can play beside Matic on Saturday, Y cant he play similar role with proper grooming in the future?? Lets not forget, he is just 23?? He still has the world at his feet..

I am not trying to compare Lampard and Oscar.. But Lampard was Voted as the 2nd best player in the world at 26/27 years.. Oscar still has 4 Years to reach that..

When Lampard got to Chelsea in 2011 at the age of 23, He was not accepted. I even read an article about the fans of Chelsea protesting about him starting a Crucial match against Spurs..

PS: Lampard is a Legend, we gave him time to prove that.. Oscar is still a young player, Give him time!

There ain't no issue with giving the player time.

Read back the archives. My issue is with Guapo placing Oscar above Lampard the minute Oscar walked through the door.

Same issue - placing Oscar above Kroos, Gotze and Muller the minute Oscar walked through the door.

So after Oscar failed in his first two years, I keep asking him if he was smoking crack, the slimy nigga quickly change his story - claiming credit for "foreseeing Oscar becoming good".

A nigga who already proclaimed Oscar a great, disrespected genuine greats like Lampard and Bayern midfielders and placed Oscar above them. Oscar flopped for two years - and now when Oscar plays one good game, he will be claiming he is an all seeing Dibia.

dawhizkid1:
I get you point really. But name ten number 10s, 23yrs and under that are better than Oscar. The fact that you'll struggle to name 7 sef is proof that Oscar is top level. We are building a team for the future that can be equally able to compete at every level now, and Oscar is almost perfect for us in that regard.

All I can say.

Chelsea is in the top 5 clubs in European footie.

So why should I name ten under 23s?

Our AM should equally be in the top 5 or 10 AMS - this is not U17 World Cup we're playing here.

Top-10 Under 23 level players should be playing at Leverkusen, not Chelsea.

If I start listing the Gotze's, Draxlers and Sterlings of this world finish, I'm sure I'll get past 10 sef.

dawhizkid1:
Bros Ibime, what is your argument really? I'd like to know.

Oscar doesn't dominate possession? In a 4-2-3-1 system, that's the job of the double Pivot(6/ players. He had an average of 36 passes per game, so what? You want to blame him for José's negative, albeit pragmatic approach? Sometimes last season the whole team didn't even make up to 300 passes.

First of all, Oscar never played in the "park the bus" games so forget that excuse. Jose wouldn't let him.

Go and check Lampard's stats in 2004-2006 under the same Mourinho and tell me whether he was playing only 36 passes a game.

If Oscar's game is not about passing, where are his assists and goals? Na 5 assists and less than 10 goals we go chop every season?


Like I said, I never had no problem with Oscar. He's a good player. This is about holding Guapo accountable for airbrushing Lampard out the way for Oscar. Guapo and I been going at it for the last 2 years over this issue. He won't even acknowledge that Lampard schooled Oscar in his old age, after Guapo shunted Lampard aside to make way for Oscar.

I don't mind Oscar in the team, except for big games. But make no mistake, there are many better midfielders out there. Niggas should just stop gassing after one good game in months. Hazard is his agemate and doing it weekly.

Final thing I just saw before I move on. . . .

AirborneLacer:
Still, where did I claim that the 'classy' Oscar was better than Lampard?

El Guapo:
He must play and must play now. I know he is young in terms of age, but in terms of majority, he is more than ready and needs to play every match

Oscar must play (in Lampard's position) while you tell us the what, why and how Lampard is inadequate for the pivot (behind Oscar) and should be dropped for Ramires.

AirborneLacer:
Fast forward to 2014, Ibime is standing before the world to accuse me of comparing Lampard with Ramires and Mikel, then later rephrased, that I suggested he gets dropped for Mikel and Ramires, without informing the house what, why and how such view came up

Nigga we understand English. . . . we can paraphrase perfectly. In other words, you rate Oscar above Lampard.

You crowned Oscar winner of Lampard's position, then started telling us why Ramires and Mikel should displace Lampard in the pivot.

If you had respect for Lampard in the first place, you don't give Oscar the AM position. I never accepted anyone at Chelsea was better than Lampard in AM position. I know my legends. . .

Like I said negro, Lampard is a legend. Never again in your life compare him to Oscar, Mikel or Rami in any midfield position. . . you should be apologising for how Lampard outproduced and schooled Oscar even from deeper position that season - just like Fab4 is doing to Oscar now.

In the process of continuous improvement that is taking place at Chelsea, thís was the order of priority for me. Every step I argued for has been implemented, only depth is needed in midfield - which will send Oscar to the bench.

Replace Torres - we all agreed - Done!

Replace Mikel-Ramires pivot - in those days, I was outnumbered when calling for thís until likes of Bimfo, CFC Fan, Mithel and co joined - Done!

Get rid of Mata - I was on my own - Done!

Get rid of joker Luiz - after many arguments - Done!

Final in order of priority is to revert away from the idea of a pivot and a no10. . . . and go back to a 4-3-3 - that means 3 genuine central midfielders - allow Fabregas the AM position with Matic and one other behind him. This is the final piece of the Chelsea jigsaw I've always wanted to see. That's where Oscar (& Mata before him) comes in. As sure as all the above I argued for came true, it will surely happen unless Oscar learns to play as a genuine central midfielder - because that's the way JM sets up his teams. It could be Sami Khedira next summer or another no8, but without doubt, Oscars role is the next role earmarked for improvement.

AirborneLacer:
Now how I take compare Lampard with Ramires and Mikel?

With Lampard in the pivot, we were leaking in goals like tomorrow no dey and it was right before RDM as the gaffer to do something - at least to save his job.

We were all of the opinion that Ramires get shunted into the pivot, considering the energy and pace which he possessed, and which would be needed in closing down opponents.

Not too long, RDM responded, it became a Ramires-Mikel pivot and things got a tad better.

You think you can twist history.

What got better? Ninjas who lost woefully week in week out and got themselves knocked out the UCL.

Mikel and Rami failed woefully, Lampard came back in December and displaced Mikel to the bench.

Rami was sent back to the right wing . . . Oscar was dropped to the bench. . . . and Lampard singlehandedly lifted the team and scored the goals that allowed us to qualify for UCL.

I know you ain't forget nigga. I will not remind you of Everton and Villa away for example.


The next season, Mikel still rode bench all through whilst Lampard was still holding sway. Finally, the DM I had been calling for (Matic) arrived and you came and acknowledged it.

Joker!


After round-about denials, you have now just confirmed what I said about placing Mikel and Ramires above Lampard:

AirborneLacer:
We were all of the opinion that Ramires get shunted into the pivot, considering the energy and pace which he possessed, and which would be needed in closing down opponents.

Not too long, RDM responded, it became a Ramires-Mikel pivot

You called for Rami and Mikel to displace Lampard in the pivot and Oscar to displace Lampard in the AM.

Lampard was better than all 3 of them in any of the three positions

End of Story.

AirborneLacer:
Thanks for the link.
Ladies and gentlemen, I'd be taking the next few minutes to do a compilation of our views on this issue from 2012.
Read and judge

Everyone knows the story. . . . you claimed we did not need a new DM and our team was balanced, we just need to remove Lampard and play Mikel and Ramires. . . . . then came back 2 years later to apologise and hail Matic as the saviour. . .

ElGuapo:
[color=#0066ff]U Sabi twist Issues Eh!

Talking about Ramy playing in the Pivot and doin' fine is certainly a different Issue with Protecting Mikel and U voicing for the acquisition of a New DM is Certainly Outta this World cos we've got a Young Romeu on the Bench {He Can always Improve}, Did i forget Including Chalobah On the List? [/color]

You claimed Oscar was World Class, put him ahead of Lampard, now backtracking on your statements.


You went from this:

ElGuapo:
[color=#0066ff]Oscar is class, one of the best central midfield
players around today and so far he has spent his early Chelsea career warming a seat. He must play and must play now, I cannot emphasis that enough. He is the type of player who will sit in the middle of the park and pull the strings, make things happen. I know he is young in terms of age, but in terms of majority, he is more than ready and needs to play every match.
[/color]

to this:

AirborneLacer:
Months ago, when Ibime and I were hot on this issue, I remember telling him that Oscar isn't a CM but he's more like an AM who's ready to work his socks off for the team, an AM who shouldn't be compared with CMs like Kroos, Modric et al - players who possesses great vision and who can dictate the way the game is played.

It took you two years to realise that Oscar was not "someone who sit in the middle of park and pull strings". . . .

Every 3 months, when Oscar has a good game, you will come and shout. You only back your assertions when he's flavour of the month.

I'm a nigga who knows ma own mind. I was against Ramires when he was flavour of the month, against Mata when it was sacrilege to speak against him. Backed Lampard when neophytes were calling for his head.

Now Oscar is your flavour of the last 2 weeks, my mind hasn't changed nigga. . . . .he lacks vision.

When Oscar disappears, you will go quiet again.

AirborneLacer:
Bruh you're making a hell of mistakes, the likes which have not been seen since the Mexican Indians sold manhattan to George Washington for an Indecent photo of Betsy Ross.

If you aint in the business of quoting old posts, I'd then advice you to get off the business of bringing up old claims you aint sure of.

Guapo comparing Lamps to Mikel and Ramires?

SMH! Iranu should be considered a synonym for Ibime.

Nigga, I'm sure of what I'm saying. You can go and recap from this page down if you want. Aint in the bizness of quoting old shyt.

https://www.nairaland.com/920248/official-chelsea-fan-thread-pride/118#12413859

I'm as sure of what I'm saying as you were sure that Lampard should be dropped for Rami and as sure as you were that Oscar is the man for the AM position over Lampard.

And as sure as you were that Oscar is better than Kroos, Gotze and Muller.

Now story done change to "long term replacement".


Don't get me wrong, ain't got problem with the boy Oscar, Chelsea have more pertinent issues than replacing him, but he ain't nowehere near World Class level at no10 position. One clown even put tackling stats for Oscar in the World Cup as a positive. . . . . I would go into why tackling stats is a foolish data set that no one uses (eg Makelele never made tackles). . . . but let's just summarise by saying those 11 tackles he made in the World Cup were out of desperation as Kroos and Sneijder disgraced and humiliated him.

dawhizkid1:
If Oscar ever had a 30 passes per 90mins game, it'll be one of those Chelsea Park the bus/Counter strategy game, and you can't really blame the player for that.

Chelsea started playing real expansive football this season. I dare Ibime to show me a game where Oscar had only 30 passes this season.

I'm not a football scholar but I'm pretty certain that in a 4-2-3-1 (the formation Chelsea employs most times), the number 6 and 8 are responsible for controlling the game, recycling/dominating possession. Oscar is a number 10. He is not Modric or Schweinsteiger or Kroos, those are 6/8 players and even at that Oscar has shown that he can dominate possession as well on his day as he did against Villa, Sporting and Palace. He had 90+ successful passes and 100+ touches against Palace, he just needs a little more consistency.

I'm not a big fan of comparing Oscar to Lampard, cos frankly, Frank is a different type of beast, but Oscar is not half as bad a Ibime tries to paint.

Plus, for all you guys that run to squawka to dig up stats to support your Mr A is better than Mr B arguments. I've got 8 words for Y'all;

IF STATS ARE USEFUL, SCOUTS WOULD BE OBSOLETE.

Selah!

Check the previous page. His stats since joining Chelsea is 36 passes a game - FACT!

nitrogen:
Till weekend Chief, if you get a draw, then you are lucky.

Last season, we were not up to par in terms of performance, and a certain fearful Mou played a 9-0-1 formation against us(first leg), it was when he saw clubs picking points when playing against us, that he saw the need to pick his three maximum points, he is a joker, and he really doesn't believe in his team, even with the fact that he's got consistent back four, and midfielders.

You'll see your Mourinho on sunday.

You were unbeaten when we played you in the 3rd week of the season. You hadn't shown your true colours at that stage. 2nd leg, we went for the jugular with a 4-0 win. Expect the same again.

Danhumprey:
Van Gaal said that Falcao was jetlagged after returning from international duty with Columbia,hence he didn't start Falcao,but rather preferred to use Falcao as a substitute.


But then again,wasn't RVP also on international duty with Holland and should also be 'jetlagged'? How then did LVG fielded him? There's something Van Gaal is not saying!

Jetlag is a function of time difference between zones, not of flying on a plane.

Falcaos body clock should be telling him it's nighttime in Colombia whilst Van Persie only travelled within Europe.

nitrogen:
I can bet it with anybody that Mourinho will still play his 8-1-1 formation on sunday, though our display wasn't that fantastic today (especially our not so organised defence), still Mou will defend throughout, mark my words!

He will be intimated by the frontline, thereby allowing us to enjoy the possession, and capitalising on counters to tear us apart, but it will backfire!

#teambeatchelseaonsunday.

If Van Gaal try any funny formation to fit in all his attackers, I promise you no less than 4 goals. Chelsea is a ruthless team at sniffing out overloads and weaknesses.

Your best bet is to play 9-1 formation. . . cos I see holes everywhere.

Manure fans want kill Mata o!

Chelsea faithful should come and congratulate JM for getting rid of that wasteman despite severe opposition from the baying hordes of uninformed Chelsea fans and wankers in the press like Jamie Redknapp and Ruud Gullit.

Y'all wouldn't know the bàlls it took to get rid of şuch a favourite and twice player of the year. Compare to Manure managers who keep kowtowing to Rooney cos they lack the bàlls to make the tough decisions.

chrisley024:
Mata should be sold come Jan

SIRcumalot:
I fuqing hope we're done with the Juan Mata experiment.
OGun kill anybody wey talk bad about rooney for this thread.

I thought some of y'all niggas said you will thank Chelsea everytime he scores or assists.

Noisemakers. By next Sunday we will realign your targets. No more talk of Chelsea, you will be thinking of how you can challenge Southampton for 4th place.

And dey keep making noise about Chelsea!

AirborneLacer:
Ibime come straight with your claims, you don pass all these goal post shifting.

It's no longer 'comparisons', it's now 'dropped' abi?

Aint in the bizness of quoting old posts nigga.

Both you, Nateevs and I were here 2 years ago when you placed Oscar above Lampard, then called for Lampard to be dropped for Mikel and Ramires.

I challenged you immediately on it, then you started telling me why Oscar is better.

You even felt so strongly about Oscar, you placed him in Bayern Munich combined 11 - which makes him one of the very best midfielders in the world - as all Bayern Munich midfielders are.

After 2 years of disappointing, you are now trying to shift goalposts and claim some fake credit by saying "you foresaw him as a future replacement for Lampard".

Nah ninja, the real truth is you could not tell a good midfielder (despite what Mr Jose Santos taught you ), you got dazzled by a few touches and dribbles and you gaffed. You did not understand the function of a midfielder, and you looked at Oscar, Mikel and Ramires (none of whom were performing their core functions) and you blamed Lampard for their ineptitude, and requested he be dropped.

BTW, if Oscar is better than Bayern midfielders, then he is already better than Lampard. Make your mind up fella!

Tval:
That was a collective disgrace. not just an individual disgrace.

They would disgrace Oscar wherever they catch him, with either Brazil or Chelsea. . . although don't expect that to happen soon cos Jose would not trust Oscar against Bayern as usual.

Schweinsteiger, Kroos and Thiago step into the ring in the red corner with 100 passes per game. . . and in the blue corner. . . heeeeeeere's Oscar!! . . . sure to dominate the game with his 30 passes.

It is the same spirit you used to place Oscar above Bayern Munich midfielders. . . . until Bayern midfielders caught him and disgraced him in front of his own fans at the World Cup.

AirborneLacer:
Beht you know say you hold PHD for lying?

How person go still dey alive, you carry this kain lies dey drop on top him head?

When did I compare Lamps with Mikel and Ramires?

This debate happened before NL's loss of data, so I think it should be somewhere, why dont you just dig them up and shut me up.

Pistorious still dey learn work for your hand when it comes to lying

Did you not say Lampard should be dropped for Oscar, Mikel and Ramires 2 years ago?

a. True or b. False

Darkrebel:
so you wanna upload ten pics just to earn 2 points for personals.....baba your 26 Naa grow up
you are Halldan...your only looking more stupid by denying .

yo the reason for all the shirtless pics was I just started gym classes in 2011 and every week I was uploading my pics and my friends would laugh about it and comment....guys and girls alike....some even said I had hungry packs...lmfao...we all laughed ...and I didn't Care..you see...uploading those pics. ain't hurting me..
am just reminiscing those good old days
if your mum sees my packs now she go off her pant quick.....
and despite all..my old pics still beat yours.....Chris brown was almost nudde in a pics...who gave a ffuck?
same thing with that..am a prankster...and really don't care. the one I took with the curve 4 I was sick that day..and uploaded saying sick...all those pics ain't in my house...I was still schooling then....you won compare where I dey live with yours?

ve told you beg me for my new pics......since you ve refused I will bless you with some now.....


but seriously even these my old pics ..beat yours...by farrrrrrr ugly monster..... wait for me to upload my new pics..then wankk on them...faggott

Less is more nigga!

You keep putting your whole bizness online. You just giving niggas more personals.

You must be the most "personalled" rapper on NL and you've only been here few months. . . that's because of posts like this.

GhostAccount:
Lol Let's Do It This Way, I Lose, I get a ban, You lose I get yur title,

So we both have something to lose, fine by you?

Plus yu musnt know me before you battle lol, yur bars should be dope enuff to put any rival away

Bytch nigga.

We don't do peekaboo here. If you want to battle someone, make yourself known on FFR. We don't battle ghosts, we battle comrades.