₦airaland Forum

odizeey:
Im hearing this Interpol for the to time.

Go and watch the latest video. He said God told him the World will be going on Holiday, and he said because of what happened in 9/11, he didn't want to say anything incase Interpol come for him

odizeey:
Before the world was shut down this man said the world will be like a baby convulsing this year. I read it well in his new year prophecy.

Hehehe. My guy said he never revealed his revelation because he didn't think people would understand if he revealed that God told him the World will be going on holiday, yet he expect people to understand the meaning of World Convulsing like a baby.

I'm sure he would have used that generic "one size fits all" revelation to cover any plane crash or even the matter with Iran and America in January assuming he has not used it already.

Imagine Nehemiah coming after the fact to say God revealed something to him, but he refused to disclose to Israel because he was scared of Interpol. He could at least lie well and say God told him not to reveal.

Any sheeple is free to believe what they want.

airmark:
You have no proof bro.

I am not a sheeple. You can buy those Interpol story if you want.

Any of these fraudsters that saw this coming would have long set-up a smooth tithe and offering system that would ensure their dolapo is still coming steady from members on lockdown. See Oyedepo scrambling last minute to set up cell structure after Govt announced lockdown. If he knew, he would have put these systems in place when God told him.

odizeey:
He did not lie.

So God gave him the revelation and he did not disclose because he was scared of Interpol?

The man is a liar and a fraudster.

eph12:
So your issue is with the term, not the act? Would it be better if they rename it to something else? Because this looks like you're saying that if you want to give all your money, its ok as long as you don't call it tithe

Giving is completely voluntary. It should not be emphasised in Church.

diggz:
Why is this even acceptable and the other is not? Pressure 10%, pressure 20times offering, building projects etc in one mass. What is the difference? Pressure na pressure...if you call one evil, please name the rest as such.

The pressure is only Naija hungry man factor, same way your village boys will pressure you to drop dolapo before you sink borehole in your village. No Catholic priest can point to any document from Vatican prescribing certain tithes, offerings or levies. If enough people have evidence against the father doing such, Diocese go redeploy am to Ogoni.

diggz:
When last did you attend the organised churches in Nigeria? I don tell you say you no sabi wetin you dey talk. I am from a catholic home. Na father bury my papa.

Bros...even the dey of the burial mass be like say na banza...na from one offering to another naim father dey mention.

Did any Catholic priest ask you for 10%? He may pressure you for offerings, but the minute he start talking tithe or any prescribed percentage, he knows Diocese will recall him and redeploy him to Seminary in Maidugiri.

diggz:
Ogbeni no be only naija pastors dey talk about tithe. If you like pay, if you no like no pay. Na your personal business be that one.

Oga, my wife and Children attend Church of England and I join them at times. We don't pay any tax. I've never heard any preaching about offering or tithe. If we put £5 inside collection plate make them take am like that. Na wetin most people dey put inside. If not for shame, na coins I go put inside sef.

Do you know any Catholic that pays a fixed percentage of their income?

Na only Pentecostals go dey talk tithe, some even carry first fruit add. I'm not talking just Naija, but Pentecostals everywhere, although our Naija ones take it to another level.

obainojazz:
This tithing issue doesn't make sense.. I won't criticize people that do but I don't see how I'll earn let's say 100k naira per month.. PIT 7%... I'll now pay tithe 10 percent again for tithe

There is one of my friend in UK who insist on paying 10% of his Gross income as tithe. I asked him, why not on Net income, but he insist it must be Gross. Na wetin their pastor dey wash their brain for church be that. As if Moses would tax you 10% of what did not even enter your hand.

So he will pay 20% income tax, 12% National Insurance, then 10% Tithe

Some people are in 40% tax bracket and will be paying 40% Income tax, 12% National Insurance, Council tax (£200 per month), then another 10% Tithe on top. Is that not stüpidity?

Why will I be paying such level of tax to my Govt, then still go and add another 10% for Jewish medieval Govt. Am I taking care of Levites?

eph12:
If you know Sam Adeyemi stand on tithing, you will be ashamed of that list. Update your list

I don't know Sam Adeyemi preaching but if he is against Tithing, then that's good.

diggz:
Na so! Your organised churches with constitutued authorities no dey inside abi? Well done

Do the organised churches force you to pay a prescribed percentage of your income?

Tithe is simply a medieval Jewish taxation system which the Jews used to support their Civil Service (the Levites) who were given no other work but to be Civil Servants of the Jewish state.

Jews these days do not pay tithe, having progressed to a more modern tax system, yet one foolish Pastorpreneur will fill your brain with pap and force you to pay tithe while you are also simultaneously paying tax to Govt. Thunder go fire am!

I will not say more than that due to people getting emotional about religion, but those are the cold facts. Moses expressly said that Tithe is simply to pay for the work the Levites who are their Civil Servants.

So if Sam Adeyemi insist on tithe, that would make him a fraudster whether Eph12 agree or not.

diggz:
Yet they are still one of the biggest gamers in the history of church. Just because them no come outside to talk about coro or 5G no mean say dem no get their own issues too.

Catholic Church do not have much issues with Science. Any issue you can bring is mostly moral or ethical issues.

All these developed countries you are seeing now fought their religious authorities to a standstill and made them respect reason over religion. Catholic Church killed a lot of people for saying the Earth is round. Their populace taught them a bloody lesson and put them in their place, to where if the State says penicillin kills Bacteria, they would not argue again.

Any society that made progress limited the effect of development-hampering Religion on their people. Even China had to shut that shït down in their quest for progress. Yes, we will celebrate religous holidays. We will give the Church a seat in the infrastructure of the State in recognition that it is part of our culture. We will even claim the religion and identify as Christians or Muslims, but we will not allow medieval thinking hamper our progress.

That's just my own.

eph12:
Adeboye said this?

Your list has Sam Adeyemi. It's null and void. I can't speak for any other pastor

Whether Sam Adeyemi or Jackie Chan, general rule is if he is a tithe-preaching pastor, he is a scam.

diggz:
I am surprised say Ibime never add TD Jake's and co inside. Catholic church nko etc.

TD Jakes na fraudster join.

At least Catholic church dey mostly respect themselves rather than filling their supporters brains with pap. Science dealt them bloody blow in the medieval ages, and it is on record, that's why they respect science, not doing anything goes like our Pentecostal Pastorpreneurs. For example, even before Italy lockdown, Vatican already respect the virus and went on lockdown. Even a week ago when Wike said all churches in Rivers State can open for Easter, Catholic Diocese quickly respect themselves and released statement that no Catholic church will open. When you have an organised Church that work hand in hand with Constituted Authorities like the Catholics, you get reasonable human beings, not like our 5G Pastorpreneurs.

airmark:
How did you know that he lied?

He lied

diggz:
All man with him kaya. Hope you've been calling your cousin a big f00l to his face? Anyways, just because your cousin switched off his brains no mean say everybody wey dey go church be the same please.

You are a fool if you follow an exploiter of people, and those who lie on the pulpit. As long as you dey church with an ethical pastor, no sele. Not like Adeboye that lied that God told him about Corona but he didn't want to say anything if not Interpol will arrest him

The list I put up there are all Fraudsters!

iamoyindamola:
I saw one video on IG the guy mocked everyone of them.
Tbh these men talks too much they forget their false lies prophecies




https://www.instagram.com/tv/B-ofL8tAS5W/?igshid=ehagh310bso6

This guy done finish them. If you are still following any of these Pastorpreneurs after this, you are a big fool!

Sheeple are taking serious flogging this period. Hopefully this pamdemic will set many minds free from our pastorpreneurs.

raumdeuter:
Your Chidi Nwanu suppose make way for Taribo West our best CB

Taribo was often a disaster jor.

airmark:
I wanted to say nations cup qualifiers.

I watched him and he was a great midfielder. This is not what i read in newspapers.

From qualifiers, you may think Wilfred Agbonavbare is our greatest ever keeper.

Who can forget his outstanding performance away in the draw in Algiers that ensured we qualified for World Cup. The guy made a save diving backwards like he is doing backflip.

Forget all those qualifiers against Kenya or Burundi, whatever. You may be seeing some dribbles that shak you as a primary school kid but if you watch it now as an adult, you'll probably say he is playing nonsense. All I know is Etim Esin never made Algeria 90 squad, never made Senegal 92 squad, is it USA 94 squad that he will make? When his juniors like Oliha, Elahor, Adepoju have already passed him and have been playing for Eagles since like 1990.

raumdeuter:
Etim only played a few qualifiers and wasn't very remarkable most times it was always about what he could have been much like Haruna Babangida

Before Etim makes USA94 squad, they will call Friday Ekpo or Friday Elahor who was junior to him but already more established in Senior Eagles. Thomson Oliha was even his junior but well established and used to make squad.

Infact they may even call JayJay senior brother Emmanuel Okocha back before considering Etim Esin. That one was also his junior but more established in Senior football.

airmark:


Bro, i swear i watched him when he played for Nigeria then, though few games, and he was exceptional. He used to tie headband in matches.

In fact in our primary school then, i remember we used to say ' Emi Etim Esin' (I am Etim Esin), after dribbling multiple players successfully.

However he didn't play for long at all. But regarding quality, he was a better midfielder than Okocha and Oruma. He did well in Senegal 92 bronze-winning team. He was hugely unlucky.

Etim Esin never made Senegal 1992 squad. Where did you watch that one?

I hope you know Etim Esin would have been turning 28 years old in 1994.

Newspapers just hyped him up in our psyche as a cautionary tale of talent gone astray that made us believe he was a great lost talent, and that had an effect of making him look greater than he was.

The truth is he was already 27 in 1994 and had not achieved anything in Senior men's Eagles. They just remembered him from WYC 1987 no different from Chrisantus, Rabiu Ibrahim and co who shine at that level and do not transition to men's team.

Adepoju and Amokachi who came on youth football scene in 1989 were already playing for Senior Eagles by 1990, (Amokachi was promoted straightaway) while newspapers made you believe a 27 year old Etim Esin would be the next big thing in 1994, when he has been around since WYC 1987 without making any senior impact.

airmark:
Etim Esin was a player that village people ensured that he never succeeded despite his bundle of talent. He didn't make the world cup because of a false rape allegation. His career was nailed into the coffin, by an attack by robbers that shot him in the thigh.

Etim played some matches for Eagles in the qualifiers and was better as a midfielder than Okocha and Oruma combined. Okocha only went to Usa 94, because Esin was banned. He was sitting on the bench for Etim in Eagles before then.

These are folklore and praise-singing we only read on pages of newspapers. We never saw him in any senior men's tournament to judge. Adepoju who went to WYC 1989 had been established in Super Eagles since 1990, while Etim Esin who came to prominence in 1987 WYC still had not found his feet in the senior team by 1994.

In Nigeria then, you believe only half of what you hear. That's how we were told Rufai is the greatest goalkeeper and Nwanu is the greatest defender. Our senior neighbour then always tells us that Okwaraji was the greatest, and if Fashanu and John Salako join Super Eagles, we would win World Cup.

Roland17:
Nooo na!!!! The free kick took a wicked deflection at the edge of that wall and that affected Rufai’s timing. As for the Raul goal, we allowed Hierro pick us apart from the middle. I would blame the midfielders especially the Headmaster for not pressing Hierro and then Mobi for allowing Raul slip under him. I will admit he was poor against Denmark especially that shot he fumbled for a rebound.
You are absolutely right about Mobi and Eguavoen because I never rated either. Eguavoen was all talk no grit, a very vulnerable Mobi in real life is so erratic and annoying. Imagine the dwarf always wants to play midfield or attacker whenever he returned to play at Township School, adjacent to the Stadium (Dan Anyiam)! The guy shakara no be here oh..I thought we were undone by our lack of a quality striker during France 98 and we were punished against Denmark. Ikpeba did not impress me as the main striker.

Good points, but Rufai parried that shot back into Rauls path. That was an error. He was also very slow off his line and slow with his dives.

If like me, you grew up watching Alloy Agu man the sticks in Senegal 92, then you are told Rufai who was the greatest keeper ever has made peace with Westerhoff, you will be looking at Rufai as a God after winning Tunis94 and the World Cup run.

However when you go back and watch some of those goals he conceded, and look at their individual careers, you must say that Shorunmu and Enyeama are way ahead.

Same way we were told Chidi Nwanu has made peace with Westerhoff and is one of the greatest defenders. Thankfully he performed well and didn't stick around after 1994 to disprove that sentiment.

raumdeuter:
I was genuinely hoping Oruma will take over the number 10 jersey from Okocha or James Obiorah, But after 1 game Nigerian fans will start clamouring for Okocha to come to entertain with dribbles

Oruma balled in French league for Nantes and Sochaux I think while Obiorah dey represent CSKA for CL

James Obiorah was another dribbler, but he played Kanu position.

I was expecting that guy to blow in Eagles but Kanu parapo kept him out.

The guy really shined in Ecuador 95, but we sent a shitty team to that tournament and got knocked out by Qatar.

Oruma would have been perfect for our midfield but he struggled with injuries throughout the 1990s. The guy played like Paul Scholes. He was a top man at Marseille even till he was old, going near on 2010. The same parapo Kanu and co played on Obiorah was the same parapo Okocha played on Oruma.

These guys parapo was so strong, they can ask coach to take Ogbeche to World Cup and drop Aiyegbeni

airmark:
That's true, but Okocha scored a sizzler to bring us back into that match.

Okocha to me, was one of our top 3 performers, in France 98.

Etim Esin would be in my team, if i don't have Okocha.

That's because you like dribblers. Who be Etim Esin? He has never travelled to a senior men's tournament for Nigeria.

Oruma was a more archetypal European style central midfielder who was fantastic in possession footie, and robust in midfield but injuries and Okocha blocked his progress.

raumdeuter:
PDPguy did not watch USA94 and some younger people because they didnt watch these guys tend to overrate them

Eguavoen was a total disaster everytime he played, He was the weakest link in our defence. You already spoke enough about USA 94 fuckups of Eguavoen, See as he collided with Masaro for the Italian penalty in extra time. There was one France 1998 qualifier vs Guinea in Lagos Bonfere was trying to implement 3-5-2 and we were stuggling, Amokachi scored 2 goals did some smart 1-2 to score
Eguavoen who was already on a yellow removed his shirt to celebrate someone else goal and got a red card.. Na that day I give up on am totally

That was how Guinea gingered and Titi Camara dribbled our entire defence to score a beauty, that day it ended 2-1 but na heart attack ending because of Eguavoen foolishness

Eguavoen na one of those jack of all trades, played midfield played defence out of pity they just parked him into one of the less risky positions on the field(right back)

And can you imagine, Eguavoen physically attacked Westerhoff in the dressing room after that Italy game, shouting that Westehoff had sold the game. . . even after he had just cost Nigeria the game. I remember reading that story in Complete Sport then, which is why Jo Bonfreres interview yesterday did not come as a surprise.

raumdeuter:
Nigeria was hoping Mobi Oparaku will rise up and take over the Number 2 shirt but that one sef, Raul just use his destiny shine vs Spain, Last last na Mutiu Adepoju(another jack of all trade) had to cover at right back for us

I even thought of Adepoju in my 11 sef cos that guy never let us down whether playing midfield, wings or right-back. He was just unlucky not to cement a starting spot in the great tournaments of 1994. I always felt more comfortable when Adepoju partnered Oliseh than Okocha.

That was how Okocha was messing up in 2000 AFCON QF against Senegal till Aghahowa rescued us from nowhere. Our midfield was being overrun all tournament. Next match, semi against South Africa, Okocha was suspended and Adepoju stepped in, our midfield gained shape again and we had our most impressive game blasting them away 2-0 with a very solid midfield. Final match against Cameroon, they brought Okocha back and our midfield was gangbanged the whole game. We constantly looked like a boxer on the ropes as Foe and Olembe just ran through. Oliseh was working alone, but because Okocha scored freekick, that's all they would remember.

Roland17:
How is Rufai missing on the list for most of you? I think he was decent during the peak periods of the Super Eagles. He manned our goal during important periods like the 94/98 World Cup, won the Nations cup, lost a final, was steady and committed to the uniform. I mean, I have nothing against Enyeama but I would have Rufai over him.

Guy Rufai was dead in 1998 WC. He was too old but they had to bring him back because Shorunmu got injured and Abiodun Baruwa disgraced himself in a 5-1 friendly defeat to Serbia prior to the tournament. That's why the guy stood leaden footed for that cheap Hierro freekick vs Spain. Even the Raul rebound, the guy fùck up.

Even watching 94 World Cup back, that guy dived like snail for that Baggio goal.

If not for Abacha getting us suspended from 1996 and 98, Ike Shorunmu would have a good claim, but Enyeama is head and shoulders above both

It's not everybody that played in 1994 that must make all time 11. I was surprised to see PDPGuy adding that useless Eguavoen to Super Eagles 11. Eguavoen that threw away the game against Italy. Even go watch the Argentina game, the foolish Eguavoen was sleeping, taking a break while Maradona took quick free kick pass to Cannigia right where Eguavoen was standing, and Cannigia scored.

Even the Zola red card, Eguavoen stüpidly fouled him in the area after sleeping again, but was lucky the ref didn't blow for penalty, causing Zola to kick him. For the actual penalty, Eguavoen was sleeping again, as they lifted ball over his head. He didn't move, then rushed the attacker last minute. I think Adepoju had already covered the attacker but the foolish Eguavoen barrelled into the back of him regardless, not checking that his teammate had already blocked the attacker.

raumdeuter:
Go and watch our elimination game in USA 94 vs Italy and 98 vs Denmark, na those crucial moments Okocha remember to start doing rainbow flick over Albertini Bennarivo Maldini, Thomas Helveg etc

Even Japan Korea world cup na Aghahowa score our only goal, na Okocha dey remove jersey to jubilate to show the "I love you Nkechi under vest"

Jo Bonfrere claimed yesterday that Westerhof sold the Italy game in 1994 for $100,000.

Do you think Westerhof starting Okocha that game instead of SiaSia was part of his plan to sell the game?

raumdeuter:
Nigeria all time eleven

Enyeama
Yobo Uche Taribo Babayaro
Finidi Oliseh Amokachi Amunike
Yekini Kanu

I just knew you must drop Okocha

Bare in mind Kanus exploits were in Junior level, and he never scored in Afcon despite playing like 5 tournaments. That's why I dropped him.

PDPGuy:
My all time Super eagles 11:

——————-—-Enyeama——————-

—-Eguavoen—U. Okechukwu—West—Iroha——

——————-——-Oliseh————————-

———Finidi———Okocha———-Amuneke—-

————————-Kanu———————-

————————-Yekini———————

Mine with changes in bold


——————-—-Enyeama——————-

—-Yobo—U. Okechukwu—Chidi Nwanu—Iroha——

——————-——-Oliseh————————-

———Finidi———Okocha———-Amuneke—-

————————-Amokachi———————-

————————-Yekini———————