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iamoyindamola:
how can you judge naija in few weeks time again when we have been facing this since last month or are you saying the virus can stay for 3 weeks without showing symptoms

Index case in UK arrived since early Feb or even undetected arrivals in January. Na now things want red.

Italys' Lombardy region control textile industry and use thousañds of Chinese migrant workers who fly back and forth to Hubei province. They were probably first exposed in late December or early January, but na end of March wey things red.

One month is too short a time to judge spread. Things go move undetected until there is too much death to hide. No believe all that nonsense from NCDC. If a whole group of travellers from Ivory Coast to Osun could test positive, yet Ivory Coast is declaring next to nothing, then there is a lot going on undetected in Africa which will crystallize in few months.

raumdeuter:
It was also noticed in Louisiana, A Southern state that is quite sunny that Blacks make up 70% of the deaths while making 33% of the population

Another thing might be that Blacks have a lower standard of living in those places and might be more prone to diabetes and obesity.
Also, economic factors make pre-existing conditions among blacks even more fatal than for the average white

For economic or social reasons it might be easier for a non black to adopt a healthy vegetable and salad diet while blacks still have to eat mass produced chicken and soulfood

Make una take am easy for USA. How only una go dey declare 2,000 deaths per day forecast to peak at 5,000 by peak. Na only una waka come?

ornicus:
Weird as we are seeing the opposite in naija. Maybe the real cure for covid19 is in agbo or maybe amala.hopefully those Chinese doctors will find out so we can monetise it.

Are you seeing the same or is the virus just going around undetected. Indonesia apparently has massive spread going undetected as of present which should start to blow up in 2 weeks. We are seeing hundreds of dead bodies on the street in Ecuador but they are not reporting much officially. I say judge Naija in a few weeks time. Don't read anything into those official stats.

One thing we have to be mindful of in Africa is that even though our immune system is stronger and the weak among us have already died from other morbidities, we have higher incidence of HIV, and most of those are immunocompromised. The HIV+ in African populations alone can explode our fatality rates even though the rest of the population is fairly fit in comparison.

afrodoc2:
It is all about the socio-economics. Who is more likely to have undiagnosed ischemic heart disease, obesity, poorly controlled diabetes mellitus, unhealthy diet high in calorie but poor in immune boosting substances?

So you think the Vitamin D aspect is not as significant?

All the doctors that have died in UK so far are of darker skin. I think they have all these things you mentioned above.

What is behind the higher death rate of black people from Covid-19?

Death rate per 1,000 in New York is twice that of whites

Black people make up 30% of Chicago population yet 62% of deaths

We're seeing the same in London.

New York and New Jersey Governors blame it on socio-economic conditions eg black people having no choice but to work, and having to ride buses and trains thereby not observing social distancing. However a doctor I follow on YouTube I think hit the nail on the head by saying darker skin converts Vitamin D from the sun more slowly than lighter skin so black people generally have lower level of Vitamin D. Vitamin D of course is key to fighting off viruses.

Doctors in the house, what do you think?

Thanks to FIFA for transfer ban.

Any club wey hunger hook go need to sell players cheap to finance their liabilities. Na we go get money to buy.

raumdeuter:
Positive news afrodoc I heard the TB vaccine that all babies born in Nigeria take might give us some form of immunity. I am not sure o

Not all babies born in Nigeria. We got our BCG Vaccine in Nigeria in 1991, thanks to the great work of Dr Olikoye Ransome-Kuti, then Health minister in implementing universal vaccination. I was still young enough to qualify for the vaccine but I don't remember my older sisters joining us on that trip to PH teaching Hospital. Check with your mumsie if you qualified for that program then, as per say you be grandpa

I just rang a private GP yesterday to sneak in another BCG vaccine to boost immune system but they told me adults would have to do Mantoux test which would require some respiratory specialists who are not available now due to Covid requirements. I sha booked the BCG for my kids this weekend as UK no dey give universal BCG again. I also threw in pneumococcal vaccine for myself and madam, make we at least comot bacteria from the pneumonia equation.

raumdeuter:
Corona caught diggz in London where he went to camp with Sandra

Stephanie for Lagos
Grace for village
Sandra for Jand

Na Diggz carry Corona come London.

diggz:
Thanks IB! Na Chlamydia level we finally use get azithromycin online o.

BTW, This go mean say you done jappa.

Welcome to UK. Corona will not spoil your plans in Jesus name.

Eruditor:
It is fake news.

What side effect can be worse than actually dying?

Team Chloroquine jor. Gimme 5.

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raumdeuter:
So diggz you get chlamydia, shey na Grace give you

Diggz da digga

Diggz shakara done end.

Diggz, make I warn you that Azithromycin has major interaction with Chloro. They both have arrhythmia as a potential side-effect.

No go catch heart attack ontop Amarachi oh. Stay away from dat tin this period.

Greatihex:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7lmfoX4XEY

Be blessed in Jesus name. Amen.

Greatihex, na you dey preach?

Swissh:
Ibime come and see news about your Chloroquine

I read that. They are wusses. I would rather have the headache and nausea than death.

donjazet:
I definitely don't see him winning reelection.

Trump will definitely win reelection. His mastery of media is unrivalled. Don't underestimate the stüpidity of Americans.

Roland17:
Trump blew this one, any honest supporter should be honest enough to admit it. At the onset, he delegated leadership of the COVID-19 response to Vice President M. Pence, a man renowned not to believe in science. This is a man, who as Governor of Indiana said "I'm going to go home and pray on it" before making a decision regarding a needle exchange program for drug abusers when Indiana was being ravaged with HIV/AIDS. His delayed response led to the infection of more than 200 more people. I am Christian, a proud/strong Catholic at that, but I did not need anyone to tell me that Pence's response was horrible and this was the man initially assigned to head the response team?

Trump and members of his cabinet were going on TV including Dr. Ben Carson on CBS to dismiss the virus a a mere flu and encouraged us to continue with our daily lives. People were still embarking on cruise ships despite the fact they returned with the virus and when Carson was asked what the plan was for those returning on the cruise ship? He claimed they would have one in 72 hours. He was reminded the ship was docking in less than 4 hours, he realized he had goofed and said, we will have it by then. This is a member of the president's cabinet!

Everything was late! We should absolutely not be in this mess!!! He politicized this virus as an attempt by the Democrats to distract him 2nd term campaigns! This man was warned about this virus in January!!!!! Our old people are dying in their droves and their dead bodies treated like carcass! We had time to prepare, we had time to trigger the emergency plan before the virus arrived the US. His disgust for China made him stop travels to China but he forgot people were returning from cruise ships with the virus...

Now he is fighting the WHO!!!

By the time Trump finish spinning this thing, his supporters will believe he is the one who took Covid serious while others were joking with it. His only focus in January and February was in keeping the stockmarket climbing as he was basing his 2nd term campaign on the economy.

I only blame the Democrats for not attacking him strongly in January and February. They were too busy with their internal elections

Now Trump has stolen the narrative. All this finger-pointing at China and WHO is just to steal the narrative back.

obainojazz:
But America was the first to ban travel from China and even when WHO said it was still okay to travel.

Go and check the nonsense Trump was saying until late February, downplaying Corona as just a flu

obainojazz:
Trump was the first leader to act, doctors are happy he banned travel from China early before other countries did.. He never called it Democrats hoax too.. even Trump shared the video of what he said, but trust the media to twist it.. Americans travel a lot and they don't hear word.. new York governor does not listen to Trump.. look at what's happening there.

Trump was not the first to act anything

Democrats were slow to attack Trump on his lackadaisical attitude to the virus until he trumped them with the travel ban.

The travel ban was late, but draconian for a reason - to steal back the political argument from the democrats

wman:
I still don't understand why you people shout CNN for anything.

Why CNN all the time? Did CNN say you should not use Chloroquine?

All they said is you should avoid taking drugs without prescription.

I am tired of Trump supporters blaming CNN for everything.

I am anti-Trump and pro-CNN by the way.

All those CNN reporters encouraging una to leave yourself to fate are asking their Doctor friends for Chloro prescription in the background.

Even doctors were hiding Chloro away at home while talking another thing in public. When Trump said it, Doctors couldn't prescribe it for Covid, now after FDA emergency approval, they can. But too late, CNN has already convinced the left-wingers not to protect themselves in the name of "let's laugh at Trump"

No trust your health to anybody at the moment oh. The same expert advice is what landed Boris Johnson in ICU. Trump is now offering to send him experimental drugs

CNN will be saying one thing, their comrades at Wall Street Journal will be saying another.

diggz:
Ibime hafa na? Na only doxycycline this online people dey recommend for that matter. E be like say arithromycine no dey again o!

Guy just buy any antibiotic and keep. My sister who is a nurse was just relating me now now how 3 of her Naija classmates now based in Yankee caught Covid in early January and thought they had malaria that comes with cough. One had flown to Naija on leave just after falling sick and his sister who is a nurse got him antimalaria and antibiotics and he recovered on the 4th day. Couple weeks later the other one said he has the same problem and was treated with the same thing. The last one na him yawa gas. He spent two weeks in ITU under intubation. They convinced the doctors he might have malaria in his blood and he was treated in ITU with antimalarials and antibiotics. He finally made a recovery. Na now them they put 2 and 2 together that they must have had Covid.

afrodoc2:
I agree that people should keep Chloroquine just in case, however you still need to be careful. It is especially concerning to hear that a few weeks ago you had surplus but recently when your friend asked for some you were running low. If that means that in a few weeks you took so much of it to run from surplus supply to low supply then you need to be approach further use with caution.

The article you posted was actually quite good in giving details about exactly how Chloroquine is believed to work against SARS-COV2, but also highlighted the measures needed to ensure safety. Measures like Full blood count, ECG, visual assessment. Medications can become poisons if used inappropriately.

Hahahaha. You're assuming I used my stock of chloro. No sir, it's been divvied up and dispatched to kith and kin all over the country. I'm running low of stock for giving out, but I still have my stash for myself and my wife. I have consulted my BNF dictionary on how to use it, not to worry. The last batch I have to give out has been kept aside for my cousin who is a doctor to come and collect tomorrow (sister to your mate in Trinidad)

Even doctors are rushing the thing oga. My football group who I play with are mostly doctors and a few of them were asking for it. One of my wife RMO friend was even begging last week. Nobody want die oh

chic2pimp:
I did not say you should stop using it. Use with caution is all I ask.

As far as I know there is no concrete proof it actually works. All the Evidence so far are Anecdotal. The most recent Chinese Study even says that using hydroxychloroquine is no better than more conventional coronavirus treatments, such as bed rest, antiviral drugs and oxygen inhalation. If and When it's found chloroquine does work, trust me the Chinese will be using it and not let their Citizens die in their thousands.

Stay stafe Bro!

Mate, chloroquine has some efficacy against all Coronaviruses including the common cold, Flu and SARS. It is not a cure, but a decent treatment
to inhibit viral replication if used early. It was used on SARS which is why they brought it back for Covid. Just because you hear cancer has no cure does not mean you should not take chemotherapy drugs that have some efficacy. Same with chloroquine and Covid.

Those dying are those who presented to Hospital too late. Chloroquine should be taken first thing to inhibit replication, allowing your immune system to deal with what's already on board. Because people are dying of cancer does not mean you should reject chemotherapy drugs. Everyone from China, Korea, India, Australia etc are using it. Who am I to argue?

Below is one of the journals I read that made me go for chloroquine. You will have to convert from Chinese to English.

http://rs.yiigle.com/m/yufabiao/1182323.htm

raumdeuter:
At the end of the day everyone will still go for the Chloroquine, Its better to have chloroquine than not to at this point. If you get sucked into the CNN politics of anti Trump you might end up blaming yourself

I had mine shipped over 3weeks ago and it hasnt been delivered

My best mate got sucked into that politics. He is Indian so not used to chloroquine, harbouring fears of the drug unlike ourselves who grew up in Naija. His fiance, her brother and her mother went down with suspected Covid over the last 2 weeks. The mother and brother defeated it within few days. I offered to send him a cut from my last batch of Chloroquine last week, he said no they should be alright because he was following politics. As of today, his fiance is on day 9 and starting to develop a cough. He is now getting worried based on how Boris own developed and the fact his fiance is still wiped out 9 days later and started asking me for chloroquine tonight, but unfortunately I am now low and even before I post anything, some days would pass to reach them, and there would be too much virus in the system at this stage for chloro to have much effect. We should rather have it than not to prevent stories that touch.

Same way my sister who too dey do oyinbo went down with suspected Covid last week. Despite having plenty chloro I sent her, her and her oyinbo husband were still prevaricating waiting for non existent doctor to tell them what to do. It was only on Day 4 of symptoms that the husband called one of his consultant friends who told them to start taking chloro immediately for 6 days, that they've even left it too late. The guy did not even know they had some at home. That's when they had sense to start taking it. Thankfully she is OK now.

We should not let doing oyinbo oyinbo and CNN lure us into danger. Naija man has no fear of chloroquine. For example, my dad did not hesitate to activate chloroquine when he had a cough, although that was not even Covid. He did not die, yet some people think we should not hold chloroquine because CNN is fighting with Trump.

chic2pimp:
Becareful with this Chloroquine thingy you keep harping on about. No go poison yourself abeg o.

The same chloroquine I grew up drinking like water for malaria?

You mean Trump announced Chloroquine on live TV, 50 million people went and bought the thing and only 3 idiots from Naija went into hospital with Chloroquine poisoning, and one person in Yankee died from taking non-medical Chloroquine used for cleaning swimming pools.

Don't let CNN attempt to make Trump look stüpid stop you from protecting yourself oh. Good health is better than politics.

I have been stocking Chloroquine a good 2 months before Trump made his statement based on it's usage in several countries like China and Korea etc. I will not let CNN political pointscoring stop me from protecting my kith and kin.

raumdeuter:
Dem say if you enter ICU for Corona, na 50-50 o

Intubation in ICU is 50-50 according to stats from everyone who's entered intubation with Covid.

Boris is not yet intubated, but is close to being so, and they are keeping ventilators close by.

He was forming boss, working from home, holdng regular meetings by Zoom instead of sleeping and giving his immune system every chance.

With this virus, if you reach day 10-14, you either get well rapidly or deteriorate rapidly. It looks like he is going the other way.

If this guy die ehn, all healthcare professionals will be psychology damaged. You will see many of them starting to drop out from the front line cos if this can take Boris, dem go know say power pass power.

chic2pimp:
Your PM has been transfered to Intensive Care Unit. Ventilator is on Standby incase He needs it.

I noticed your earlier comment that it was only precautionary. Believe me, Govt will only send out positive message so that the country won't panic, and ministers won't start scrambling for power.

If a country cannot take care of it's no1 citizen, I will not be waiting for non-existent Healthcare system to take care of me. Chloroquine and Azithromycin at the ready mate. Even if common catarrh hold me, I don dey swallow.

Headline should read "Waist-trainer strangles foetus".

You will be wearing waist-trainer upandan to reduce your waist which God created as space for children to grow, now you are surprised.

Victornezzar:
Mhen Pep Mother just passed away due to the virus

Wow....it's well

I hope this doesn't affect him

That's crazy. Condolences to him.

airmark:
This is serious.

Can't you apply for exemption? One of my friends, living in NJ, but working in NY, had to inform his clinic that the children are back home, their mother not around, and he needed to be with them. He was allowed to work from home.

Nah mate, I no dey fear Covid. My immune system is strong and I have faith in my chloro and Azithro. I have a team of 5 in Supplies who I expect to show face 3 times a week, so I must also show face. Infact in two weeks time, I will increase my days to 4 from Thursday to Sunday. Everyone should be worried about the economic impact when this is over and those who were derelict in their duties will get it worse. Worst case scenario, I have life insurances up to my eyeballs that will take care of my family wella, which is all I hustle for anyway.

Boris Johnson receiving oxygen treatment

Also one of my colleagues husband was intubated last night, which is a 50-50 chance of survival. She is my age mate sef. E don dey red.

Boris Johnson has been admitted to Hospital.

He is one of the unlucky few whom resting at home isnt working for him.

I hope this won't turn into something else oh.

airmark:
Ibime, any idea of the top player here?

I am suspecting Yakubu.

Yakubu contract was £20k at Portsmouth.

By process of elimination, this is either Kanu, Defoe or Crouch as they all signed with Redknapp for £50k, although Kanus contract was slightly less at £45k

Utaka was on £80k so not him.

ornicus:
People are not taking the lockdown seriously. Until we start having deaths, no one will.

Naija death rate will be low. I see little reason for lockdown.