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pastormustwacc: The demons and satan are the rulers of hell. That is why they are able to keep whipping michael jackson, pope II and other unfortunate souls in hell. Because the demons are very powerful, the power does not burn them - so they punish the poor unfortunate human souls. Muhahaha

Imagine GOD giving satan and his demons the contract of tormenting humans for all eternity....

Na which kin God be that??...

the light in which the hell fire crew are putting God is absurd and bewildering...

Reyginus: Where is my insecticide?

I just bought a BayGon insecticide......

Specially for muskeeto...:-)

obadiah777: *GRABS A NICE JUICY KOBOKO* NOW COME HERE IJAWKID

Lol.....I've got a butt proof....no amount of koboko can penetrate to my butt.....

Ntorrr!!!!!!!.....lol....

OLAADEGBU: Here is an article for your perusal that I posted on another thread. If it does not suffice then I believe that is only God that can help you to comprehend it.

When did I ever tell you that Jesus didn't come in flesh....you are the person who has spuriously said that Jesus is the invincible GOD in flesh.....

Meanwhile your post never gave the definition of who a son of man is....

Who or what is a ""son of man"".....??....

Ezekiel was reffered to as a son of man....can you please explain how he was one??

Was he GOD incarnate too??...

Learn to let the bible explain things......

obadiah777: I THINK IT IS OBVIOUS APPARENT TRANSPARENT DEFINITE AND GLARING THAT THE WOMAN IS ISRAEL. ANYONE WHO SAYS OTHERWISE NEEDS TO BE THOROUGHLY LASHED WITH KOBOKO FOR BRINGING IN HERESIES

Lol.....

Na mary....lol....

Come flog me......

ifeness: They were taken up in a spacecraft you can say,they time travelled!

Lol....they went outer space......that's heaven too.......

engrtee: Enoch and Elijah did not die . They left earth alive. TRUE OR FALSE

And they were brought back to the earth and died like everyone of us.....

They were adams offsprings....they died!!!!!.....

They weren't angels....they were kids of adam......

OLAADEGBU: He was and is still God. The incarnation of God is what Son of man is.

Ezekiel was called the ""son of man"" more than 10 times.....

Was he the invincible GOD incarnate too??...

It seems you don't know the meaning of the expression ""son of man""

italo: Hmm...so there are THOSE (plural) that did not sin. What are their names?



My friend, the Bible says that Enoch and Elijah were taken up to heaven. Thank you.

Which heaven where they taken to??...

Definitly not the heaven Jesus came from....

Abi you don forget say heavens different??...

See one thing you fail to always do is let the bible explain itself and not contradict itself.....

Jesus was the first person that ever ascended to the heavens where God is...

So elijah and enoch definitly didn't go that heaven......

Learn to let the bible do the explanation rather than been overly focused on trying to hold on to your traditions......

I reiterate Jesus' words:: no man has ascended into heaven except the son of man who came down.......

ATMC: y bring up d previous matter...
I must tell you dt humans are designed to defend their belief but i have three questions for you, y is it dt d jehova witness are not encouraged to use other study materials and bible translations to study d bible but dt their study guide? And y are you jehova witness, does your bible not teach dt you be witnesses to jesus? Y are you not so particular about d name jesus but jehova? does your bible not teach dt god gave jesus d name at d mention of which every knee in heaven and on earth bows and d bible teaches dt god is in heaven so is he going to bow too, of course no! Cos in jesus he dwells. I suggest you try studying d bible on your own without d handcool, u'll marvel at your discovery

We use othe bible translations....

Infact through out my stay here on nairaland I've never quoted from the NWT........

I've used all translations except the NWT to make salient points on this forum....
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We revere Jesus and we preach about Him......he is our master.....we bow to his name.....but we will never shove his Father aside.....we recognize that Jesus has a superior...we recognize Jesus has a God and Father over Him...

Yahweh will be over everything(with Jesus included) when Jesus hands over the kingdom to him.....JW's will always put Yahweh in first place and Jesus in 2nd place.....

Sorry if that bothers you,but its the truth......

Jesus spoke about his Father and the doing of his will through out his stay on earth.......


The reason why we are christians is because by following Christs perfect foot steps we can be reconciled to Yahweh,the Father and God of all.....

Thank you....

chukwudi44: For someone like you who cannot even comprehend a simple english bible passage.I ll regard this as a complement

Lol....

We still haven't finished that discussion on praying for the dead.........

It seems you ran away.........

It because of your kind that many engage in voodoo seeking to communicate with dead.....thinking that they are being stored up in a prison........it is because of your kind that many has turned atheists.....

If you want we can go back and continue our discussion...you got so hurt that you had to put up this OP that you yourself do not understand.....

chukwudi44: So if I get you right it is normal and mature for a non-catholic to critisize the catholic church but improper and childish for catholics to critisize non-catholics?

More than 30 anti-catholic threads have been opened in the last two weeks which you have participated actively without seeing it as childish.I now open a few anti-jw threads and become childish what a way of reasoning

And who opened the more than 30 anti-catholic threads??.......JW's??......Ís that what you think??......

When I call you jejune you keep wondering why........

Now what have you accomplished but bringing more shame to your church.....

I can see how much the RCC just in the USA has spent for pedophilea cases alone.....

Did you read it??.......

chukwudi44: Abeg go siddon joor.kettle calling a pot black.Go and solve your own abuse case with candance conti

Lol.......just candace conti's case??........I thought barri§ter had replied you with something very interesting....

You are just so jejune.....I can see that.....you are gonna be caught up in a web that you would find hard to get out of....just wait......

We watch your sex scandal cases on CNN...

Some more would come....I go just sidon for my house watch am.......

If any organization has to talk about pedophilea,the RCC should be the last....they are the kings of pedophilea....I won't waste my time bringing it to you.....I'll stick to my debating bible doctrines rather than gravitate to your low state......

chukwudi44: You must be a very big fool!! Is this your rebuttal to the link I provided? Obviously you have no rebutal to make.

When anti-catholic threads spring up people are mature but if it is anti-jw or anyother protestant sect it becomes childish and juvenile pranks!! Bunch of hypocrites

I don't think you even understand what you pasted....do you??....

I've got rebuttals,but it will be a waste on a child like you who can't handle scriptural truths..........

Someone who still doesn't know that bowing to marys image is wrong.......you hÀve to grow up spiritually......

italo: God says "all men must die" and I, ITALO say "2 people (Enoch and Elijah)" never died.

Who needs to be delivered from the shackles of stupidity?

they all dÍed.....

Let me show you something very interesting...

Let's read romans 5:14.....

New Living Translation (©2007)
Still, everyone died--from the time of Adam
to the time of Moses--even those who did not
disobey an explicit commandment of God, as
Adam did. Now Adam is a symbol, a
representation of Christ, who was yet to come.
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New International Version (©1984)
Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of
Adam to the time of Moses, even over those
who did not sin by breaking a command, as did
Adam, who was a pattern of the one to come.
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Everybody died including elijah and enoch......

It seems you have forgotten that we all came from adam.....

Abi elijah and Énoch evolve from fish??

pastormustwacc: I await the revelator to shed more light on this, because these guys have succeeded into confusing my brain now.

Have you read that daniel 12:1-3.....

It cracks me up to see the parallels between Jesus and the angel MIKE......

Where is that chukwudi.....

I told him not to start this....it won't end well.......

JW's don't conceal the wrong doings of its members....when cases are brought to there notice they iÑvestigate and take necessary actions.....the witnesses even report wrong doings that take place amongst the congregations and drastic measures are employed......serious cases that are known are reported to the police and not swept under the rug....that is why such cases of pedophilea are infinitesimal.....

I told chukwudi to be focused if not he'll only be bringing more shame to the RCC......

@ Barrister.....just leave this issue.....na small pikin dey worry chukwudi............him go soon run...

@UBEnidictus.......you are one matured catholic......shake my hand.....

@BArrister.......you don't have to do this.......
Leave these issues alone.....

We should be here to tackle doctrinal issues not scandals.........

Just don't let chukwudi get to you.....

@Ubenidictus....how far??......we never finish our image debate o......

SMH!!!!....

Na small pikin dey worry you...............

You go do until somebody go give you serious rebuttal wey go close this your mouth.......

I just dey wait.........

If you still can't figure out why the practice of pedophilia / child abuse has become a custom of the RCC then you are still a confused person.....whilst members of other churches are imperfect humans and can sometimes engage In such acts,the RCC as just one group would always come first.....the law on celibacy is the main reason why you guys always end up in scandals.........when you
Restrict matured men from marrying you must be ready to see the end result....


If you still haven't noticed this truth,you can keep fooling yourself......

E no go even take months we go soon hear another scandal......

I cross my leg dey wait........

chukwudi44: Let me expose their hypocritical asses

You remind me of my little nephew.....

I can see how much it really hurts when you are dealt with scripturally.....

UBE has always bEen the mature person(catholic) I discuss with on this forum.....

You are just one silly nagging juvenile.....

Instead of you standing up to and for your beliefs right down to the end,you thought you were been attacked........and because you saw no way out(you were been hit by scriptural missiles) you decided to put up this post to disgrace yourself......

You think going to the internet to copy rubbish and paste here is how to discuss??.....

That is why TEEO told you to delete the post...its rubbish......I was just watching and smiling,seeing how infantile you have become...........

Which protestant organisation would you attack next since you are so butt hurt??.......OLUMBA??....lol.....

JW's aren't prophets,they are watchful bible students(all prophecies have been written in the scriptures)....................right till this moment we still watch how world events corroborates with yet to be fulfilled bible prophecies to know where we are in the stream of time......if you guys aren't watching na ona sabi..........

frosbel: My Bro, Jesus is not an angel , never was and never will be.

This is where you and the Trinitarians err about the pre-existense of Jesus.

Christ Jesus was born through a virgin by the power of the Holy Spirit as a MAN. He was a 100% fully fledged MAN.

Jesus was neither the second person of the trinity nor an angel.

Only a MAN ordained by GOD could redeem MAN from the curse of SIN, only the last Adam could undo what the first Adam had done.

From Genesis 3:15 , the first prophecy about the coming of the saviour, he was ALWAYS going to be from the seed of a WOMAN and not from the seed of Angels.

"The Scriptures tell us, "The first man, Adam, became a living person." But the last Adam--that is, Christ--is a life-giving Spirit." - 1 Corinthians 15:45

Also in Daniel, there is a big distinction between Jesus and Michael.

Here is how Jesus is described in Daniel 7 :

"13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed." - Daniel 7:13-14



and about Micheal

"12 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: " - Daniel 12:1

Micheal apears to be a warrior angel and is probably the head of all angels.


Consider this scripture :

"20 “See, I am sending an angel ahead of you to guard you along the way and to bring you to the place I have prepared. 21 Pay attention to him and listen to what he says. Do not rebel against him; he will not forgive your rebellion, since my Name is in him. 22 If you listen carefully to what he says and do all that I say, I will be an enemy to your enemies and will oppose those who oppose you. 23 My angel will go ahead of you and bring you into the land of the Amorites, Hittites, Perizzites, Canaanites, Hivites and Jebusites, and I will wipe them out." - Exodus 23:20-23

This angel is most likely Michael, as we can see he is one of God's most powerful angels.

However it is never said of Michael, that he will come as a MAN and die for our sins, this is just plain false.


The simplicity of the gospel is that JESUS Christ came as MAN , sent by GOD for our redemption. He is now exalted far above all power and authority in heaven and earth which includes both angels and humans.

But I believe Jesus Christ pre-existed as a spirit creature in heaven before he descended and was born as a man......

That daniel 12:1-2 I quoted shows exactly what happens when michael stands up in the end....its exactly what happens when Jesus is exalted and enthroned as king.....GREAT tribulations and also later the ressurection of the dead.......

I know you've had a lil problem with Jesus' pre-existence......

That can be discussed....

Please can Y'all reconcile daniel 12:1-3 with matthew 24:21 and also john 5:28??....

Let me quote these scriptures....


Speaking about the end this is what daniel says:::::::::

New International Version (NIV)

12 “At that time Michael, the great prince who
protects your people, will arise. There will be
a time of distress such as has not happened
from the beginning of nations until then. But at
that time your people—everyone whose name
is found written in the book—will be delivered.
2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the
earth will awake: some to everlasting life,
others to shame and everlasting contempt.
3 Those who are wise[a] will shine like the
brightness of the heavens, and those who lead
many to righteousness, like the stars for ever
and ever.
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Micheals rising up in the end is associated with a ""time of distress or tribulation such as has not happened from the beginning of the nations until them".....

Comparing that with Jesus' words at matthew 24:21 points to that parallel.....

Mathhew 24:21..
New International Version (©1984)
For then there will be great distress,
unequaled from the beginning of the world
until now--and never to be equaled again.



Micheal always acts on behalf of Gods people....always!!!!....both in the past and also in the end as daniel wrote.......and his actions are exactly the same actions Jesus is suppose to carry out......

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Daniel 12:2 hints us with another scene that occurs when micheal arises in behalf of Gods people...
The ressurection of the dead...

John 5:28,29 supports that...
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And again micheal is carrying out an assignment that was infact Jesus'.....driving away satan from the heavens.......we all know that no other person was bestowed with the power and authority by God to flush satan outta the heavens,if not Jesus......
Revelation tells us that Mike and his angels battled with satan and his angels.....

I don't think Yahweh ever gave any other spirit son of his,the responsibility of dealing with satan.....
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No one is trying to equate Jesus with the rest of the angels..ofcus he's higher than them and they are subordinates to Him....

But the evidences from the scriptures shows how Jesus fits the arch angel michael ...........

The book of daniel really shows everything.....

You guys can peruse through daniel......

Except there is some other spirit son of God who has got the same power with Jesus.....

obadiah777: YOU ARE ALREADY IN HELL

Hahahahahahaahahahahahaha....

Abi??.....

Nigeria is really HELL....

pastormustwacc: Wetin be your own with who is bashing which church? I hate bashing any church - even if it is a shrine called a church.

My question till this moment is ::::who molested the woman??.....

Chukwudi has stooped so low to this.....

I don't knw if he has forgotten that his church has got so much skeleton in its closet.....

Instead of him to act matured by using scriptures to tackle doctrinal issues he is resorting to this....

Na him go first run if e start......

Logicboy03: Where is Ijawkid?


He loves to bash the catholic church, lets see what he has to say now

See me here...I dey kampe....chukwudi has been azz whooped right left center...........now he's acting like a child that just lost his toy........

If we have to resort to bringing out pedophilia reports him go run o.......

Tell am o....

What's the name of the adult you mentioned??

Where is the name of the person that did the molesting ??......

And please kindly explain what this means ""a woman who said the Jehovah's Witnesses
""allowed"" an adult member of a Fremont
church to molest her when she was a child
in the mid-1990s.""
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How did the JW's allow her to be molested??

And who is the adult??

Where is the full story...

Oya paste am make we see.....


Paste the link......

Meanwhile its like someone else just posted how just one priest molested numerous kids...just one priest o......pedophilea is so much attached to the catholic church like no other church.....

I never comment on posts where many times catholic priests are exposed,but it seems you want me to go there too....

All what I do on nairaland is attack doctrines that has no scriptural basis.....if you think this your OP is like a pay back on the witnesses you might be wasting your time....

Meanwhile I need the link to this OP....

If you want us to start pasting scandals you go run o.....but I won't resort to doing that.....

Instead I will make you leave the idols you worship...

chukwudi44: Kindly explain what you understand by the sentence "all unwrongdoing is sin but there is a sin which do not lead to death"

your quote doesn't prove that the dead should be prayed for......

Quote explicit verses.....

chukwudi44: Which yeye vision? Where did you read that from? That was a live apparition.Are you asking me where they went? Did the bible not inform you elijah was taken up to heaven and moses body was also taken to heaven?

Which heaven??....

Jesus said no man has ascended into heaven my bro......

So elijah and moses are still in there graves sleeping...you hear me??...

I quoted matthew for you to see it was a ""vision.."" Didn't you read the matthew 17:9 I quoted??...

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
As they were coming down from the mountain,
Jesus commanded them, saying, "Tell the
"vision" to no one until the Son of Man has risen
from the dead."

chukwudi44: Also none of you had bothered to inteprete 1 cor 15:29-30.

Please kindly explain why people were baptsied on behalf of those who had died.

Your doctrine of vicarious baptism is not what paul was explÀining in that scripture.....

If you think it was the custom of the apostles to undergo water immersion in behalf of the dead,then you must be dreaming.....

If you had read down you would have understood that paul was talking about how christians took part or were immersed into a course of life that will lead to a death of integrity like that of Christ....romans 6:3 explains that....

In verse 31 paul says...


New Living Translation (©2007)
For I swear, dear brothers and sisters, that I
face" death" daily. This is as certain as my pride
in what Christ Jesus our Lord has done in you.
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Paul was only stressing that the life of a christian involves a course of integrity keeping under test,À daily facing of death ,and finally a death of integrity,followed by the heavenly ressurection......

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Its like you have bÉen literally baptized on behalf of maybe your ancestors ....abi??lol..

chukwudi44: @ijawkid

We will come back to onesiphorous

But kindly explain how moses was able to converse with Jesus,elijah and peter after he was supposed to have died abi was he also an impostor?

You knw wetin vision be at all??...

Ok now let's go from your spurios stand....

After elijah and moses departed where did they go to??....purgatory??

HerexG :
Who told you onesiphorous was dead, there was never a book or material which confirmed that onesiphorous was dead my friend, they are all human assumptions.

I wanted to bring up that point too.....

Where did the scriptures say onesiphorus died .......

Let chukwu open the scriptures......