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obadiah777: HEAVEN >>>>>> ISAIAH 65 >>“Never again will there be in it
an infant who lives but a few days,
or an old man who does not live out his years;
the one who dies at a hundred
will be thought a mere child;
the one who fails to reach[a] a hundred
will be considered accursed.
21 They will build houses and dwell in them;
they will plant vineyards and eat their fruit.
22 No longer will they build houses and others live in them,
or plant and others eat.
For as the days of a tree,
so will be the days of my people;
my chosen ones will long enjoy
the work of their hands. <<<< NO SUCH THING AS ETERNAL LIFE OF THE HUMAN BODY. BODY WEARS OUT.

But there'll be a constant switch of bodies as a result of re-incarnation..right??.......

when this re-incarnatiÓn takes place,where would these re-incarÑated individuals dwell??...

The earth??....

frosbel: "God blesses those who work for peace, for they will be called the children of God." - Matthew 5:9

Luke 6:35 But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked

Exactly!!!!!!.....

obadiah777: LOL NOT SURE I UNDERSTAND YOUR QUESTION BUT NO DEAD HUMAN BEINGS ARE GOING TO BE RAISING UP. THIS IS MADNESS AND HERESY. YOU GUYS ARE CONFUSING SPIRITUAL AWAKENING ( RESSURECTION ) WITH PHYSICAL RESSURECTION. I REPEAT ' NO DEAD HUMAN BEINGS ARE GOING TO BE WAKING UP' THIS IS CRAZY TALK. SPIRITS LIVE FOREVER. THEY ARE RECYCLED INTO NEW BORN HUMANS PERIODICALLY. THOSE WHO ARE NOT YET BORN WHEN CHRIST RETURNS WILL BE BORN INTO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. HOWEVER THE LORD HAS PROMISED ALL HIS ELECT THAT THEY WILL BE ON EARTH TO EXPERIENCE HIS COMING, MEANING THEY ARE ALREADY ON EARTH NOW. ALL 144,000 ARE ON EARTH NOW IN A STATE OF 'SPIRITUAL SLEEP' NOT KNOWING WHO THEY ARE. THEY THINK THEY ARE JUST REGULAR HUMAN BEINGS. HOWEVER WHEN CHRIST COMES HE WILL RESURRECT THEIR SPIRITS AND THEN THEY WILL COME TO THE CONSCIOUSNESS OF WHO THEY ARE. THIS IS THE RESURRECTION THAT IS HAPPENING WHEN CHRIST RETURNS. YALL BRINGIN IN SOME HERESIES INTO THE SCRIPTURES

I know there is also spiritual ressurection....but don't you dare shove phÝsical ressurection aside......Jesus experienced it,so also will all other servants of Yahweh.........

Re-incarnation doesn't make any sense...

God didn't create us to be re-incarnating.....

That is why we have the word "eternal life"....

Those who follow Gods commands gain everlasting life and not re-incarnate into different bodies....

We are not plastics that are re-cycled from time to time........

obadiah777: 1 corinthians 15 vs 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. what this means is that once the spiritually dead have regained consciousness, their spirit will be changed to the point where they cannot sin anymore. the words will be sealed in their innermost parts. their hardened heart will be replaced with a fleshly heart. this is the new convenant. so they will no longer be able to sin

Lol....

Buzugee the re-incarnation advocator......:-)....

May I ask you::::

Why do you think Christ is called the ""firstborn"" from the dead??......

If Christ would be the only one to experience ressurection while the rest of us re-incarnate then I think Christ shouldn't have come.......

Christs ressurection is a pattern for the ressurection of all other wor§hipers of GOD........

Re-inÇarnation contradicts ""ressurection"....

It is either we choose one or the other.......

The reason why we are even talking about ressurection is because we die.........

NOPE!!!!!....

Ecclesiastes 9:5,6,10....

5 For the living know that they will die,
but the dead know nothing;
they have no further reward,
and even their name is forgotten.
6 Their love, their hate
and their jealousy have long since vanished;
never again will they have a part
in anything that happens under the sun.
10 Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with
all your might, for in the" realm of the dead",
where you are going, there is neither working
nor planning nor knowledge nor wisdom.

OLAADEGBU: Therefore, when the Bible says that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God, it means that Jesus is equal to God, not less than God. QED.

This is the most absurd statement I've heard this morning.....its a paradox...lol...



In order words you are saying Jesus can also beget the Father since they are equal....

Can the process be the other way round??.....

It seems you've lost touch with reality......

Even when Jesus said the Father is greater than he is you still have the guts to say Christ is equal to his Father.....

Jesus had a beginning....the truth is all over the scriptures.......

Goshen360: Bro, leave the guy make he dey run him mouth. You won't be surprise he only read the title of the thread and rush to comment. smh. Besides, how are you doing bro? Sure you are cool....stay blessed bro...more articles to come.

I dey o.....I'm cool.....keep bringing those articles....they are all welcome......

Goshen360: lwkmd ....

"Helpee" wan kill me too with laugh....


My bro how u dey??

teeo: Op, you had better get a life and stop peddling lies. Now pastors are now The Anti Christ. What wont i see on NL, from being pastor Entrpenuers they are now AntiChrist.

Rubbish post

Hmmm....

TEEEO @ least just grab some part of his write up that should give you the room to ponder on some truths..........

How you see am??.....

Enigma: ^^^
As someone else has put it before, in talking of the begottenness of Jesus in this particular sense, we are talking of an eternal relationship with the Father. And some people are asking "when". O ga.

Lol......

You can never twist that word ""begotten"" to fit into the trinity dogma.....sorry my brother it just can't work....the truth is so glaring........

Jesus is not co-eternal.......his life started when he was begotten......that is why he is also the "image"" of the invincible GOD just like you are.......... also he is called the "beginning of"" of Gods creation and ""firstborn of"" all creation.....

Go peruse the scriptures from genesis to revelation to find out what these expressions ""beginning of"" ,"" firstborn of"",""image of"" means when refering to living things....

Thank you.....





The Father is who gave all of us(with Jesus included) life..........

That is the Father(Yahweh) is the GOD and Father of Jesus and all of us........

advocate666: There is no such thing as everlasting life. It is another of those lies told by your religion to keep you people in check.

Satan teaches us that we have one life only and we should enjoy it to the fullest.

Satan teaches you that because he's also got one life,and after that total destruction........

beamed: Elijah was taken away by chariot of fire. Moses went to the hill top and nevr came back. Only knows what happened there. So where did the word "purgatory" come from ? Just like "Trinity", who manufactured the word "purgatory" ? I've combed my bible and I can't seem to find the usage of the two words. Please educate me.

Beamed me sef dey ask the same question since o.......I don't have answers to those 2 words ""purgatory"" and the ""trinity"" because I don't believe in them....

But I'll tell you that elijah never went to the heavens that God resides....In his case of racing through earths
atmosphere(heaven) the fiery chariot evidently
transferred him(elijah) to another part of the
earth,where he continued living for a time.......
How do we know??.......
Years later ,in fact,ELIJAH wrote a letter to
JEHORAM ,the king of Judah the son of
JEHoshaphat after that incident.....if he had gone into heaven and
resided there that wouldn't have been
possible......
You can find that evidence in the book 2
chronicles 2:12-15............


Also Jesus supported this point by saying in the book of john 3:13..
_____________________
_John 3:13.....
New International Version (©1984)
No" one" has ever gone into "heaven" except the
one who came from" heaven"--the Son of Man.

_________________________

It is obvious from Jesus' words that enoch,elijah,moses never went to the heaven you are thinking of.......

haibe: And as it is appointed vnto men once to die, but after this the judgement:
(heb 9:27)

Will the prayer change God's standard of judgement? If it wont, then i think the prayer is meaningless. God can't be mocked, you cant live a sinful life and expect one prayer to save you when you die, common sense should tell us that, if the prayer could save, then jesus dint need to die for our sins since we can be saved after a prayer when we are dead.

Sense wan kill you....shake my hands...

From the stance of purgatory supporters,we can just relax back and pray for gadaffi,pilate,hitler,sadam hussein to make the kingdom of God simply by praying for them......

E no go work o......

pastormustwacc: When you are dressed like a king-pin, and your entire dressing is made up of designer stuffs, from cuff-links, and above. You might as well need bodyguards and stuffs. But if you simple like Jesus, that when he was going to crucified, it was only his garments that they had to cast lots on - hmn, something to ponder on.

Good point....

honeychild: 1. Co-eternal: Jesus is not co-eternal with God. His life began at that point in time when God begot him. God has no beginning.
n.

This is a salient point....anyone who doesn't get this point is not a sincere pÉrson........

Honey Çhild you too much.....

onetrack: Then show him to me. Until then you are using the 'argument from ignorance' fallacy.

I should show you??....


You are one of the material proof that satan exists......

Keep decieving yourself that he doesn't exist......

Logicboy03: You christians that are confused about who Satan is? If I ask 3 different Jehovah's witnesses who Satan is, they would give me 3 different answere.

Lol......are you sure??.....

You're on the path to satanism..infact you're on that path.......

Farewell to you....

Logicboy03: Satan that doesnt exist?

Oh he doesn't??.....

Sorry bro.....

You're his employee.........

You are running away from the truth....when you are satisfied you'll come back to it....

Anyigala: There is no excuse for abusing kids, that thing is sick and the perpetrators should face the most severe consequences if and when found guilty- I don’t care who they are. But the fact is that child sex abuse scandal is not just a Catholic priests thing, it’s everywhere. Take for example what is happening with Jimmy Savile and BBC in UK and that is just a tip of the ice berg.

Your assertion that the child sex abuse has something to do with Celibacy is quite silly. 99% of these sex abuses allegations/acts were against young boys. Do you actually think that if these priest had gotten married they wouldn’t have abused these little boys? These priests were Gay Paedophiles and if they had the opportunity to get married, they would probably remained single. Women is not there interested as you can see. So it has nothing to do with celibacy. If these priest were getting young girls pregnant then you may have a case but that weren’t the case.

Abuse happen in public schools, sports clubs, boys scout club, Protestant Churches, Synagogues, Mosques. The most scary part is that most sex abuse happens at home and this a fact. The problem is that since the culprits and victims are from the same family, most of them never get reported so as not to “tarnish” the family name.

You're still not being truthful......

Most priests if they were married won't have gotten involved in child molestation....

If you had observed closely child molestation cases has occured more with the priestly class than the laity.....

That is why the law on celibacy would always be the bane behind the pedophilea cases in the RCC........

Remember we are focusing more on the church than on other organizations.....

These priests have directed all there sexual desires and urges on young boys,since they can't be married.......

I want you to sincerely see that that" law on celibacy"" for the priesthood is a major reason why the RCC will continue to receive non-stop reports of child molestation.......

................

Logicboy03: @ bold.


It makes no FREAKING sense

It doesn't have to...just know you are working for satan.......

Logicboy03: It makes no difference. I dont believe in anything spiritual. I actually prefer satanists to christians but I cant be a satanist

You ""prefer"" at least means you still believe that there are invincible spirits.....

If you would prefer satanism(but wouldn't still want to be part of it), then why did you leave God simply because to you,you felt there was no material evidence to prove his existence.....??.....

Zikkyy: ), alexleo was just dancing atilogwu round the question without touching it.

Why are you so funny??.....

I never knew alexleo was an atilogwu dancer...lmao

seriallink: Brah, I for try to live o! We for battle am sha

Lol.....

Lol.........

You for fight like say tomorrow no dey...

seriallink: Brah, I won't let anyone kill me, even if it's persecution! Na wa oh, I be Jesus? We go throw blow tire

Hahahahaha......

Serialink you don kill me finish with laugh.....cheiiiii....

So if to say you be stephen you for carry ya own stone,stone those guys wey being come to stone am.........

Lmao.....

obadiah777: JESUS WILL HAVE ONE OF HIS DISCIPLES CUT THE GUYS EARS OFF THE LORD IS A MAN OF WAR AND THE ONLY REASON HE DID NOT KILL ALL THE ROMANS AND PHARISEES IS BECAUSE THE KINGDOM BELONGED TO THE PRINCE OF THE WORLD AND PROPHESY HAD TO BE FULFILLED. BUT BEST BELIEVE WHEN THE KINGDOM BECOMES HIS, HE WOULD NOT HESITATE TO SWING THAT DOUBLE EDGED SWORD AND START CUTTING OFF FOLKS BODY PARTS. THIS IS HIM IN ACTION >>>FUTURE PROPHESY >>>>>WHEN THE KINGDOM BECOMES HIS >>> for the LORD hath a sacrifice in Bozrah, and a great slaughter in the land of Idumea ISAIAH 34 VS 6 <<<< REVENGE. BOZRAH AND IDUMEA IS ANOTHER NAME FOR THE GRECO-ROMAN EMPIRE IF YOU LOOK AT GENESIS THE 36TH CHAPTER.

SO ERMMM BACK TO YA QUESTION BRUV ? JESUS WILL COME SWINGING WITH A HUGE SWORD CHOPPING FOLKS HEADS OFF HEHE. HE SHOOO IS A TERRIBLE MAN OF WAR EXODUS 15 VS 3

Lol...

But when a disciple does cut off the ear of his persecutor the same Jesus would rebuke that disciple...:-).....

We could emulate the examples of the apostles who emulated Jesus......

And it is true that when Jesus is given all the kingdoms by his Father he'll carry out war against the nations.....but for now we gotta be careful.....let's wait till then....

Remember I was only trying to ask:::

Hope this scenario is not the same when a christian faces persecutions for righteousness sake and decides to fight back.........

uj_sizzle: an organisation/society with secrets.

And do the latter day saints have secrets??....

What is a cult??

I hope this whole scenario is different from when a christian who is being persecuted for righteousness sake decides to retaliate or resort to self defence...

The question in all of this is:::::

WHAT WILL JESUS DO??....

O.M.E:
brought back?? Pls respect God..anything you say.... back it up with the bible..

Romans 5:14 just confirmed that not one person escaped death from adam to moses and beyond.......

Infacts let's consider elijahs case.....

2 kings 2:11..
King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
And it came to pass, as they still went on, and
talked, that, behold, there appeared a chariot
of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them
both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind
into heaven.
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Many conclude that the heaven elijah was taken to definitly was the spiritual abode where GOD and his angelic sons dwell...
They forgot that there are many heavens....
That is why Jesus could boldly say no man has ascended into heaven except the son of man who descended...

John 3:13.....
New International Version (©1984)
No one has ever gone into heaven except the
one who came from heaven--the Son of Man.
__________________________

If many ever paid rapt attention to Jesus' words they won't rashly conclude that elijah and enoch went to heaven......

They quickly forget that we've got also the atmospheric heavens and the heavens where birds fly......

In the case of Elijah,racing through earths atmosphere,the fiery chariot evidently transferred him(elijah) to another part of the earth,where he continued living for a time.......

How do we know??.......

Years later ,in fact,ELIJAH wrote a letter to JEHORAM ,the king of Judah the son of JEHoshaphat......if he had gone into heaven and resided there that wouldn't have been possible......

You can find that evidence in the book 2 chronicles 2:12-15............

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Again the bible never contradicts itself.....

1....Jesus came down to the earth confirming that nobody has come into the heavens he descended from.....
2...Elijah still remained a prophet and sent messages to prove that he didn't go to the heaven y'all are thinking.....
3...Romans 5:14 buttresses the point that death got to everyone from adam to moses and to us and our future kids.....no one was exempted......
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Anyone who feels some persons didn't experience death and that all those who had existed $ died before Jesus coming and ascension went to heaven, needs to read the scriptures complete......

Right now I can't even wear my crested vest and jacket....they are now tight and torn.....as for my face cap its turned crazy........

E remain make I use yansh dey go CDS......

I think NYSC should just tell us to sew our khaki's ourselves and bring them to the camp.....because what corpers are given as kits are as good as nothing....

pastormustwacc: From any articles and posts i have seen in many places especially nairaland, it looks as if hell is a place where satan and demons have authority and seem to take pleasure in:
- taunting human beings
- punishing human beings. I have read of a pope that was being strangulated by a demon in form of a serpent in hell so that he cannot even cry out.
- enjoying themselves: read account of demons backsliding/moonwalking like michael jackson and trolling about punishing damned souls
- whipping people like michael jackson every 2 minutes
- Too many to count

But i am yet to see an account where:
- demons are being tortured
- demons are on the same level of punishment as humans

Is it the demons shuttle between earth and hell, and only stop by in hell to torture humans?

Lol......your sense of humor is just crazy....