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Mr_Anony: Would you mind citing this research? please post a link or reference

I've been asking that question too.....

Because many will wanna practice homosexuality or lesbianism under the pretext that they"" were born that way""....

Logicboy03: How would I be caught?


Can my mind be read?

No worry....

When you see one better C-4 you go know say them don read ya mind since........

Lol......

seriallink: Yes nah! That's what they usually do. When they finish praying, they ask Mary to take their prayers to her Son (Jesus). Na Mary be mediator between them & Jesus. *Smh* That's how one of my Catholic friend prays; I have witnessed it!

To them, Mary is the mediator since Christ is Yahweh

Exactly na....

That's what I've been trying to explain...

The rationale behind mary being a medium through which they pray and expect salvation is because they have flung Yahweh into the dustbin and made Jesus the almighty......

Now that is exactly what happens when the trinity is taught and gulped........

When many equate Jesus to Yahweh then it means we have to look for a substitute mediator and high priest....and I think mary is doing just that for them....in there dreams I mean.....:-)

BERNIMOORE: @ijawkid

it is not a new thing,

and it is contained in the

THE MARIAN PRAYER OF
POPE JOHN-PAUL II



see one of the links; i can supply other links too
http://prayers.viarosa.com/Prayers2BlessedVirginMary.html

this raise some questions demanding a honest and unedited answer!

Since Our Lady of Fatima (the Virgin Mary) asserts an equivalent position to Christ with respect to mediating salvation, we have a problem on our hands since 1 Timothy 2:5 together with Hebrews 7:23-25, Acts 4:11-12 and John 14:6 clearly and unequivocally state that Jesus Christ is the eternal and sole mediator who can save us and that he is the only way to the Father. Can the Virgin Mary have any possible rivaling salvaging role that also happens to be supported by scripture? No, it doesn’t… because salvation is a business done by Jesus and Jesus only.

sacred Scriptures leaves no room for doubt or compromise.

these are written in black and white,and with the internet,it is easier to asses catholic sites,new advent and even the CD rom which i have, but unfortunately they deny,because they are told to do so,thats pathethic.

Benimoore thanks for the INFO.....

I SMH for them....

vickyO: @ijawkid, bernimoore's posted the citation which was made by pope john paul 2.

I dey see am o.....

SMH.!!!!!!....

Its crazy.........

I'll have to stop arguing with catholics.....I've never seen a set of people who see glaring scriptural truths and facts but obstinately choose to hold on to traditions as the catholics do...........
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Logicboy03: I am not a christian but I will take it.

lol....I will act like a muslim for some time and then leave the country with the money.

OLE!!!!....

If them catch you your own don finish be that......

Lol...

vickyO: why do yall ask her to help you obtain eternal salvation which can be gotten from one's believe in Christ. Arent you placing on her the role of a mediator?(begging Christ on man's behalf)

You mean they even ask her to do that for them??...

Please just give me a quote...I need to see it so that we can end this discussion with them....

Please vicky O....

Ubenedictus: since morning oga u are d only person who has answered my question. Thankyou

He is asking if the mum is literal or allegorical.......

You never answer am........answer.....

Na mary be the woman??

Ubenedictus: you didnt ansa my question! The thread is "who is the child?" did u miss d thread title?

If you can identify the mum then you can identify the male child......

But you are running away....lol....

Ubenedictus: it seems them get pipo wen i neva see 4 nairaland b4. Wow!

Abeg leave calloti case alone o.....na crazeness....lol

Ubenedictus: We ask her to pray 4 us as paul asked d other believes to pray 4 him. So paul>christian>Jesus is right but christian>mary>Jesus is wrong huh??

Why would 1 billion people ask mary to pray for them.....??

Ona mouth paralyze??........

Leave mary alone and learn to pray for yourselves....mary has no power nor was given the responsibility to pray for you or any other catholic there in heaven...........
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Paul asked those who were living to put him in there prayers,just as he did too....paul never for once in his life asked mary to pray for Him nor did he direct that all christians should let mary pray for them while she was alive and after her death.........
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No 1st century apostle ever said these words ""HOLY mary mother of God please pray for us"".....

Jesus for use hammer nack there head if to say them utter those blasphemous incantations..........

Ubenedictus: so say ijawkid, Jesus says "to God no one is dead".

God says that because he can ressurect the dead...until one is ressurected that person is still dead.......mary is dead,waiting to be ressurected......

Ubenedictus: sorry my friend their is no creed that say "u must make intercessory prayer". Where did u get ur creed from?

Has anyday passed by when you never told mary to pray for you??

Its a custom...........don't deny it....tell me you didn't tell mary to pray for you today....

Ubenedictus: hahaha, ijawkid and his theory-i said it before u are superstitous.

Lol.....

You go tell me wether na me go thief the pagan practice of using beads in worship.....

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UBE you better throw away that your rosary......lol....

Ubenedictus: and i asked you "who is d child?". You didnt ansa

And you are refusing to acknowledge who the woman is......

Is she mary as you've always known it to be??.....

Ownfag: It's possible. I know nothing is impossible for God of Virgin Mary to do. HAIL MARY PRAY FOR US SINNERS NOW AND IN THE HOUR OF OUR DEATH. AMEN..!

I thougth mary was the MOTHER of GOD...how come does she have a GOD over her.......??

Ok now I understand.........

She is both the mother and daughter of GOD....SMH!!!!!......

Can catholics just leave mary alone........??....

Kamxin: YES, the catholic church did see Jesus, Mary etc interact with them huged them, lived with them, even kissed them, so their colour or attire is no question. Thats made it the world's oldest institution & the mother of every penticostal church in any part of the world. Without whom there is no new testament of the bible. Check your history books 4 more information.

Hmmmmmm.......

Where are there real pictures of them or rather mouldings of them??

Do you have them??

So was Jesus and mary white or black??.....

Is it not the same mary image you bow down to in your church that was seen as an apparition??.....

So mary now appears to people.....

Who send her message??.....

SMH!!!!!!!.........

musKeeto: Lmao...

Muskeeto I just bought one new BAYGON for you.....

Get ready....lol.....

Why them put him picture??.....them for no put am....

How do they know Íts actually mary and Je§us and not some demon??

Has any one of them seen mary and Jesus beforÉ??....

Was Jesus white or black??....

Hope no be robert powell picture them see o.....

SMH!!!!!!!!!!!.......

pastormustwacc: Faints due to total dehydration from profuse sweating

*Wakes up and crawls out of the thread*

Lmao.....

Pastormustwac you are too funny....

You must finish this thread today.......lol....

pastormustwacc: Kai, them don confuse me sef on this thread.

*Sweating profusely after reading posts*

Lwkmd.....

Chei you no go kill me with laugh........

come take handkerchief.....

jay di: pastor bakare has said pastors such as adeboye,kumuyi nd also him shuld be sent to prison so as to have a feel of wat d people are going tru.

Lmao....

I go die for laugh o.....

Why na??.....

Bakare don craze finish...

chukwudi44: 1 Peter 3:18-20

English Standard Version (ESV)

18 For Christ also suffered[a] once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit, 19 in which[b] he went and proclaimed[c] to the spirits in prison, [b]20 because[d] they formerly did not obey, when God's patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water.[\b]

It is clearly stated that these were souls of men who perished in noah's flood yet people are here spewing rubbish

Did that scripture mention souls or spirits??...

Mr chukwudi........

The other scriptures quoted proves those were the disobedient angels who left there lofty position and sinned against God.....

God has locked no"" soul"" in any prison....

You dey hear me??...

When we die we stay in our graves awaiting ressurection........

Did that scripture tell you that those spirits were the souls of those who perished during the deluge??....

Na purgatory dey cause this your conclusion o......

elikiba: Redeemers does the picture of Adeboye that you put in your car and homes saves you from accident and Misfortunes in your homes

SCOAN Does the Picture of TB Joshua and also all the materials you sell in your churches including your water you sell for 5k per bottle does it make you people better than the Catholics

Love World (CEC) So you people want to tell me that Oyakilome always intercede for you guys when you put his pictures in your houses and also carry a little picture of him

Lord Chosen's: So your Vest is now a bullet proof that you wear to avoid kidnapping and all sort of dangers in life.

Celestial: So all the things you people do are not dilatory

You see all of you are just deceiving yourselves and trying to defend your Pastors or priest and you sect when you can not even defend your father and mother that gave birth to you.

Humanity to me will always remain the best form of religion and the best way to communicate with God. Treat others as you will want to be treated.

As for the images in churches all Christians are guilty of this. You see a redeemer telling you the God of Adeboye is your own God different from his. Christ Embassy member will say My pastor said cant you read the bible your self.

I think they are guiilty too.....

I've seen where many hang the pix of there pastors in there cars and homes which they view as a talisman.....

They are guilty too......

pastormustwacc: ^^^But were the imprisoned spirits in hell

Now there are many definitions of HELL.....

Na tartarus you dey talk about??

Logicboy03: Why do you want to open my yansh?


Abeg free me

Hahahahahahahahha.......lwkmd......

You yeye eh

Logicboy03: 2) Wrong. Catholics only honour Mary.
3) The rosary is not necessary to be a catholic. Beads are to count prayers not to enhance prayers
4) Catholics pray to god. They sometimes ask mary to intercede
5) Celibacy is not forced. It is not by force to be a priest or nun.


Dont get me wrong, I find many of the catholic traditions foolish but I hate it when protestants exaggerate and ignore their own remixing of the bible to bash the catholics

Lol...

Logicboy don turn catholic back....

Praise st. logic boy....

Lol.....

Logicboy03: Abeg, Ijawkid, I give up.


You are putting me in a position where I have to defend the catholic church.

I no wan feck up

Lol.....

You must F-up today....lol.....

italo: 1 Cor 7:25 Now about virgins: I have no command from the Lord, but I give a judgment as one who by the Lord’s mercy is trustworthy. 26 Because of the present crisis, I think that it is good for a man to remain as he is. 27 Are you pledged to a woman? Do not seek to be released. Are you free from such a commitment? Do not look for a wife. 28 But if you do marry, you have not sinned; and if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. But those who marry will face many troubles in this life, and I want to spare you this.

29 What I mean, brothers and sisters, is that the time is short. From now on those who have wives should live as if they do not; 30 those who mourn, as if they did not; those who are happy, as if they were not; those who buy something, as if it were not theirs to keep; 31 those who use the things of the world, as if not engrossed in them. For this world in its present form is passing away.

32 I would like you to be free from concern. An unmarried man is concerned about the Lord’s affairs—how he can please the Lord. 33 But a married man is concerned about the affairs of this world—how he can please his wife— 34 and his interests are divided. An unmarried woman or virgin is concerned about the Lord’s affairs: Her aim is to be devoted to the Lord in both body and spirit. But a married woman is concerned about the affairs of this world—how she can please her husband. 35 I am saying this for your own good, not to restrict you, but that you may live in a right way in undivided devotion to the Lord.

36 If anyone is worried that he might not be acting honorably toward the virgin he is engaged to, and if his passions are too strong and he feels he ought to marry, he should do as he wants. He is not sinning. They should get married. 37 But the man who has settled the matter in his own mind, who is under no compulsion but has control over his own will, and who has made up his mind not to marry the virgin—this man also does the right thing. 38 So then, he who marries the virgin does right, but he who does not marry her does better.

Matt 19:10 The disciples said to him, “If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry.”

11 Jesus replied, “Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. 12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”

These verses show that celibacy is not unscriptural.

You still don't get the point do you??....

Isn't the law on celibacy attached to the catholic priesthood...??....

Can one be a catholic priest and marry??....

Eh??......

We all know paul said its up to an individual if he wants to marry or not......paul remained single,which worked for Him,but he didn't make that a precept for men who were willing to serve in the church......infact the other apostles were married.......

Through out biblical history God has never enforced celibacy on those who choose to serve as priests or bishops....

Never!!!!!!........

I want you to read 1 timothy to see the principles that should guide one who is aspiring to be a church leader/bishop/priest(although scrapped after Jesus' death) ...

1 Timothy 3
English Standard Version (ESV)
Qualifications for Overseers
3 The saying is trustworthy: If anyone aspires
to the office of overseer, he desires a noble
task. 2 Therefore an overseer[a] must be
above reproach,"" the husband of one wife"",[b]
sober-minded, self-controlled, respectable,
hospitable, able to teach, 3 not a drunkard, not
violent but gentle, not quarrelsome, not a
lover of money. 4 He must manage his own
household well, with all dignity keeping his
children submissive, 5 for if someone does not
know how to manage his own household, how will
he care for God's church? 6 He must not be a
recent convert, or he may become puffed up
with conceit and fall into the condemnation of
the devil. 7 Moreover, he must be well thought
of by outsiders, so that he may not fall into
disgrace, into a snare of the devil.
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Verse 2 even shows that the man should be a husband of one wife...........CELIBACY was never part of that list.....

Logicboy03: Epic Fail!


From number 2-5, they are not what catholics do. They are exaggerations

Number 1 is a cultural thing. I find it foolish myself but it has no bearing on the foundations o fPeter

Can you please tell me how 2-5 are exaggerations??....

2....Catholics bow before marys image....true or false??
3....The rosary....did peter use it too??...
4...Don't the catholics pray through mary??....
5....Aren't popes and priests suppose to be celibates??.....was the apostle peter one??

Logicboy03: What denomination were these 1st century chirstians?


Answer; Catholics.
http://atheism.about.com/od/popesandthepapacy/a/01stcentury.htm



I am atheist and also an ex-catholic. I dont like the catholic church but I hate hypocrites even more.

So you are one of the olodo's who feel or think apostle peter was a pope or the 1st pope??...

What am I even doing with you....

Now I see that even when you claimed to be a christians you never read the scriptures....

peter was never a pope.....understand??..

1....Peter never wore special big clothes with long caps......
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2...peter never bowed to any carved image,wether that of mary and the cross ....
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3....Peter never used the rosary or prayer beads......(100 percent paganism)
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4....Peter never for once in his life prayed through mary.....
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5.....Peter was a married man and never was a celibate or enforced celibacy.....
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If you didn't know this then logic boy you were a dormant christian...

The apostle peter was nothing like the popes neither was he a pope.......

And all the other saints you wrote down were not recognized in the scriptures......

Thank you.....

Logicboy03: Lol...let us put it this way. If you arent a catholic, you are not christian.


First off, you as a protestant are using a less complete bible thant the catholic bible which has extra books

Secondly, your church history traces back to the catholic church


All modern churches (spare some orthodox chuches) are daughters of the catholic chruch.


Without the catholic church, you false protestants dont have your modern bible.


#ouch

I can see how you totally erased the history of the 1st century christians just to espouse your false opinion...

Were the apostles catholics??...



For you to assume and force many who have chosen to follow exact bible precepts that they had there foundation on the catholic church is sure crazy........




Like I said earlier it was the too much veneration of images and mouldings that has made you so confused......

Wake up!!!!!.....

Stick to atheism or come back to the RCC.....

I just used the scriptures to show italo that there imposed law on celibacy for priests is not scriptural....

If I'm wrong use the scriptures to refute it and stop this ""catholics is the mother of all churches"" gibberish......

Logicboy03: The catholic church does extra biblical stuff but so does the Jehovah witness church.


It would be like a money fraudster complaining about a thief

Logic boy if you have left the catholic church for good,then stop being its advocate....

Go wallow in your atheism......

You had worshipped mary for almost all your life,so I don't blame you......

That is why till this moment your sense of morality is warped completely......