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OLAADEGBU: So what is a vision? Isaiah saw a vision, a vision of who?

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3. an experience in which a personage, thing, or event appears vividly or credibly to the mind, although not actually present, often under the influence of a divine or other agency: a heavenly messenger appearing in a vision. .......

Pastor Kun: I am now convinced beyond reasonable doubt that olaadegbu has zero understanding of scripture. Imagine mistaking a vision for a physical visitation

The guy tire me.....

Now I see why many of them imagine satan to be a guy with horns and pitch fork...lol.....

They can barely tell the difference between a vision and a real life situation....

OLAADEGBU: Really? Can you explain what Paul meant when he penned down these visions and revelation, was he also deluded?

(2 Cor. 12:1-2).

Who was Paul talking about here and did he go the heaven and come back?

Paul was possibly talking about himself.......

Abi??.........

And paul didn't go to the heavens rather he was given a revelation.........

OLAADEGBU: The question is, did Isaiah see Yahweh or not?

Isaiah didn't see Yahweh in the real sense.........he saw a vision......you no dey hear say na vision??.......

The minute you understand that no man has seen God,you'll know how to balance your teachings.....

OLAADEGBU: Since you understand the Scriptures and know those who are false prophets and not, can you please tell us who Isaiah saw sitting on a throne in the verse below? And tell us whether he was dead and resurrected as you have posited in your quote above.

"In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the LORD sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and His train filled the temple" (Isaiah 6:1).

Isaiah was giving those visions for our benefit....that is why they are penned down in the scriptures........we should be content with the visions of heaven in the scriptures and not go seeking for more visions @ this time of the end........

What our business should be is to read those scriptures and see how they apply from time to time until the end,not seeking for more visions..........

OLAADEGBU: Why are you surprised since you don't even believe that you are going to heaven?

Persons who go to heaven don't come back to tell stories....they stay there forever.....and until they are reSsurected from the dead no one goes to heaven...

Thank you!!!!....

So take these stories to the dustbin.....

The visions of heaven in the book of revelations is enough.....

.......now I knw why the pastors can buy jets,limousines,range rovers,build schools continuosly and without stress ......


With this kind of message why won't a gullible person tithe or give an offering of 1 million naira so that he or she can get it double.......""Double portion""......

They've turned God into a money doubler.....

Boomark: Where it is bad is when i tell you that you worship idol while i have "otumokpo" under my pillow.

Lmaoooo..........

Boomark: The same applies to Christians who support war in any form. Whether as a church or as an individual. They are happy to kill.

Those who say it is right for Christians to join the army should take note.

Good point..!!!!....the same applies to avowed christians who feel they should fight wars for there nations or tribe or any organization.....

Smh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

pastormustwacc: ^^^some of them say that Jesus is not God. That he is not even the second person in the trinity. Whew, those trinity threads were tug of wars.

Did you participate in those 3nity threads??.....they were indeed WAR.....

See fight......!!!!!!.......««»»X...........

chukwudi44: . 9 But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not himself dare to condemn him for slander but said,
[/b]“The Lord rebuke you!”
[b][a] 10 Yet these people slander whatever they do not understand, and the very things they do understand by instinct—as irrational

animals do—will destroy them.

Obviously even the arch angel micheal acknowleged he was not the Lord yet people are here yarning thrash.

When Michael disputed with satan over moses' body,was it before Jesus' descending to the earth or after??...

For you to assume that the" Lord" in jude 9 is Jesus ,then you need to wash ya eyes with soda........

Let me quote that verse from the aramaic bible

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
(©2010)
But Michael"" the Archangel"", who,
when he was speaking with The
Devil about the body of Moses, did
not speak to bring a slanderous
judgment against him, but he said,
“THE LORD JEHOVAH will
rebuke you.”


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Chukwu hope you dey see am??

Lol......this guy has gone hell fire crazy........SMH!!!!!!

sunkoye: Fact- Jesus Is God. Gaskia

Hmmmmm.....

Its like you missed the trinity threads.......

seriallink: We know, there won't be parties and other worldly things there, infact, that was why I created this thread! I know there would be enjoyment in the Kingdom, but what do you think would that enjoyment be? Or is it only work and worship we are going to be doing in the New Kingdom?

Una don use anoda topic dey derail my thread

the enjoyment adam and eve lost....:-).....

Isaiah says it all.......

Correct.........

Many think God still supports the physical Jews............God had abandoned them ever since they rejected his son.....God now deals with the ""spiritual isreal"".......


The now nation of Isreal as we speak are on there own
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obadiah777: OKAY SO HERE IT GOES >>> LET ME GIVE YOU AN ANALOGY. IF BABANGIDA IS THE OWNER OF NIGERIA AND EVERY PERSON LIVING IN NIGERIA IS HIS SUBJECT. WE WILL SAY 'IT IS THE KINGDOM OF BABANGIDA'

SAME WAY WITH THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN. THE PEOPLE WHO OWN THE KINGDOM ARE CALLED 'HEAVEN'. HOWEVER THE KINGDOM IS THE WHOLE EARTH. HEAVEN IS WHERE WE ARE ALL ASPIRING TO BE SPIRITUALLY BECAUSE THOSE WHO MAKE IT TO HEAVEN WILL INHERIT THE EARTH ( MEANING THE LORD WILL GIVE IT TO THEM AS THEIR PROPERTY AND THEY WILL BE IN CHARGE FOREVER ) >>> PSALMS 37 VS 29 And the righteous ones inherit the Earth and dwell upon it for eternity. SO THE KINGDOM IS THE EARTH AND THE EARTH WILL BE HERE FOREVER. ECCLESIASTES 1 VS 4 A generation goes and a generation comes, But the earth remains forever
SO THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN WILL BE ESTABLISHED ON EARTH. AND THOSE WHO MAKE IT INTO HEAVEN WILL BE THE OWNERS OF THE KINGDOM ( EARTH ). THIS IS WHAT IS CALLED THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.
MATTHEW 11 VS 12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force. HOWEVER THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN HAS BEEN TURNED INTO HELL SINCE THE ( ROMANS 11 VS 11 ) ( JOB 9 VS 24 ) GENTILE TAKEOVER, WHICH IS PART OF THE LORDS PLAN SO AS TO PUNISH THE ISRAELITES WHO DID NOT MAKE IT TO HEAVEN AND PUT THEM IN THEIR SECOND DEATH. VIOLENCE INCLUDES BABYLONIAN, ASSYRIAN, GRECOROMAN VIOLENCE AND CAPTIVITY.

MAKE NO MISTAKE, HEAVEN HAS ALREADY BEEN ESTABLISHED FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE EARTH BECAUSE GOD KNOWS THE END FROM THE BEGINNING AND HE HAS ALREADY SEEN THOSE WHO WILL MAKE IT AND THEY HAVE BEEN CHOSEN ( REVELATION 17 VS 8 ) ( ISAIAH 46 VS 10 ). SO ALL WE ARE WAITING FOR NOW IS FOR THE GENTILES TO BRING FORTH THE LATER FRUITS ( THEIR OWN REPRESENTATIVES IN HEAVEN ) AND THEN AFTER THAT THE KINGDOM ( EARTH ) WILL BE HANDED TO HEAVEN AND IT WILL BE CALLED THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.

A NEW HEAVEN MEANS NEW RULERSHIP ON EARTH. THE NEW RULERSHIP WILL BE THOSE WHO MADE IT INTO HEAVEN BY THEIR RIGHTEOUSNESS. AND A NEW EARTH IS THOSE WHO DID NOT MAKE IT TO HEAVEN BUT WILL BE UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF HEAVEN.

SO TO ANSWER THE INITIAL QUESTION-THE SWEETEST THING WILL BE THE SWEETEST THING TO YOU NOW WHICH IS NOT AGAINST THE LAW BECAUSE ITS THE SAME EARTH. WE WILL EAT DRINK MAKE MERRY HAVE WIVES AND KIDS, GROW VERY OLD ( AS OLD AS TREES ) BEFORE WE TRANSLATE INTO THE SPIRIT WORLD FOR REST. ALL THESE WE WILL DO IN RIGHTEOUSNESS. THE LEADERSHIP OF THE WORLD WILL BE RIGHTEOUS SO IT WILL BE A RIGHTEOUS WORLD.

you almost sounded like me.... ...

frosbel: no one is going to heaven, keep deceiving yourselves !

We are all going to inhabit a newly rejuvenated earth.

At least I agree with the JW crew on this one.

lol..... .....i dont even really knw why many are aspiring to go to heaven,forgetting that there would be srious work there and not partying or eating...

Image123: i love the way he calls the word "tithe", very tight. lol

Lmao..........you better loosen the tight......lol...

Kslib: I thought there will be a new earth.. Abeg make una stop dey confuse person nah.. Yes,we will go to heaven for some time,but will come back to the new earth where everything will be perfect... Abeg where obadiah777 dey sef,so dat hee go come break down evrything for us..lol

Me sef dey tire as everybody wan run go heaven...wetin God create the earth for??...for goat and lion to just dey run about??....

Where buzugee sef??

Buzu boy come on and let's do something

All of ona wan go heaven,who go stay for earth??.....abi the earth go rotten??.....

Mad Cow: https://www.miscupload.com/upload/288506161923297888811129.gif


As long as there are men like this in existence, Pastors will continue to live like kings..

This is the funniest post I've read today....

Chei mad cow,you dey really mad.....lmao...

Adexy4us: U sounded lik one of Jehovahs witness...u ar very correct .....ar u one?

YES I am.....:-)......

chukwudi44: I insist there is nothing in that verse that suggests those people were raised by micheal. I do not deny the fact that God can use micheal to accomplish such feat but there is nothing In that passage to suggest micheal did raise them.You guys are merely speculating.

During the end times as clearly described in Revelation micheal was not the only angel assigned tasks.The other six other angels were also assigned major tasks.

Raising of people or person from the dead does not prove anyone is christ.God can always use anyone to achieve his goal.

And I reiterate that that verse has everything to do with michaels standing up in the last days and ressurection taking place as a result of that....its clear..........he stands up,untold great tribulations occurs and then ressurection and judgement......these are exactly what Jesus is suppose to do.....

We are not speculating,daniel says that this is what will happen in the end times,,,,,,,......

Raising ¶eople from from the dead aÑd judgÍng them to Éternal life or damnation is a job given to Jesus and only Jesus by Yahweh.....don't tell me you don't know that.............

I' ve also told you to stop comparing the petty miracles elijah and peter performed with what daniel says michael wiLl do in the end times....

This michael and his angels fought with satan and his angels...................no be moi moi be that.....that is exactly Jesus' assignment....

chukwudi44: At least that verse makes it clear that the Lord's verse will be heard.even though an arch angels voice is mentioned micheal's name is not mentioned.As clearly seen from Daniel 10:13 micheal is not the only arch angel.although he is the only one among the arch angels to be named in the canonised scriptures

several biblical and extrabiblical books keep mentioning of seven major angels who are most likely arch angels alongside him.while there are not explicitly called arch angels,it appears there are also arch angels alongside micheal.

The point is this;The term arch angel does not necessary mean it is referring to angel micheal.Other arch angels also exist.

You too also have the difficulty of proving with the 66 books that there are other arch angels and also there names....

Michael is the only arch angel the scriptures recognizes....

And could you mind telling us the role of these other arch angels from the other books??....do they also ressurect persons in the last days??.......

and my point still remains that Jesus from the bible has been shown to also be the captain of Yahwehs myriads of angels.........plappville showed that.....

chukwudi44: Note:::::....gaining eternal life does not depend on knwing wether arch angÉl michael is Jesus or not,its just an observation.


Do you seriously think that if on the last day Jesus is eventually revealed to be God he will be happy with you guys? Or maybe if he is eventually discovered to be angel micheal he would be happy with the trinitarians?

Olboy better open yourd eyes and make the best decision now there is nothing like sitting on the fence here.

Jesus still isn't part of a trinity,wether he is the arch angel or not.......that the bible has shown.......so many scriptures to prove that......

chukwudi44: I don't see how this proves your point.1 thes 5:16 clearly states that Jesus will appear with the arch angel and a great shout

That verse does not say Jesus will appear with the arch angel.....please read it well....

It says Jesus himself will descend from heaven
with a shout, with the voice of an archangel....
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chukwudi44: Daniel 12:1-3

New International Version (NIV)

The End Times

12 “At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people—everyone whose name is found written in the book—will be delivered. 2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 Those who are wise[a] will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever

There is still nothing in this passage that suggest micheal was the one who raised those people from their graves.

This passage only describes what will happen during the end times.God can use anyone to achieve his aim.Peter,Paul,Ezekiel e.t.c were also used by God to raise people from the dead.Eziekiel was even used to accomplish the incredible feat of raising up dry bonesback to life but the fact remains that God simply used them.He can also use me and you

Hmmmm.......you want to tell me that from dan 12;1-3 you couldn't figure out that it was as a result of michael once more standing for Gods people that multitudes would be ressurected and judged??........its clear for everyone to see o......

And don't you dare comparÉ michaels actions with that of Élijah's or any other human......michaels arising for Gods people brings about great tribulation and then the dead ressurected and judged to either eternal life or eternal contempt............

And to be more specific this happens at the end time Not just anytime...........

Note:::::....gaining eternal life does not depend on knwing wether arch angÉl michael is Jesus or not,its just an observation......

chukwudi44: 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17

New King James Version (NKJV)

16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.

This bible passage in no way suggests the dead in christ were raised by the arch angel.This verse says christ will descend with the arch angel and with the sounding of trumpet.it never said the dead were raised buy the arch angel.

Even if the dead were raised by the arch angel it still dosen't proove he is Jesus since several other biblical characters including Elijah,Elisha,Peter and Paul achieved similar feats.We all know they did it with the power of God and not their own power.Elisha even raised a man from the dead while he was dead so your case holds no water

Daniel 12:2 says when he(michal) rises ""many"" who were deÀd will rise and be judged to either eternal life or everlasting contempt......

I believe elijah and peter did that too....abi??........

Read daniel 12:2 and juxtapose it with the thessalonians you quoted along with john 5:28$ 29 and tell me who else has been bestowed with the power and authority to ressurect the dead in the end time and judge them.....

chukwudi44: I have already posted daniel 10:13
Where micheal is described as one of the arch angels yet you are still claiming he is the only arch angel nawaaoo.Even if I don't push my argument that Raphael is an arch angel that verse alone proves micheal is not the only arch angel

So answer my last question so that I can sleep......

Can any other spirit son of God ressurect the dead especially in the end time apart from Jesus ??.....do other angels have the power to ressurect the dead??.......



Na wetin I just wan know......

frosbel: 3 questions.

1. Why did Jesus have to pre-exist ?
2. What did he pre-exist as , an angel or the second person of the Trinity ?
3. Why is it difficult to accept the plain truth that Jesus was born as MAN by the power of GOD and according to his plan and purpose ?

1.....Jesus pre-existed because he was the beginning of Gods creation.........he had to pre-exist because God saw that he pre-exists like every other spirit creature in heaven,but Jesus being the first of them all....

2.....Jesus pre-existed as a spirit,a heavenly being(not part of a trinity).........he has always been the son of GOD....he is Gods First born......

3....Nobody is arguing that Jesus wasn't born as a man to live here on earth and die for us,all what we are saying is that Jesus had lived in heaven before he's descending to the earth through mary...............

Scriptural evidence proves that.....

@ john 3;13 Jesus said ::::

New International Version (©1984)
No one has ever gone into heaven except the
one who came from heaven--the Son of Man.
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John 1:18 also says a lot of Jesus' pre-existence before his descending to the earth..

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
No man has seen God at any time; the only
begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the
Father, he has declared him.
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Jesus could explain Yahweh so well not only because he was filled with Gods spirit,but also because he had lived in heaven close to his Father prior to his coming to the earth.....

chukwudi44: Kindly compare this two scriptures
Tobit 12 :15

I am Raphael one of the seven angels who stand in the glorious presense of the Lord ready to serve him.

Rev 8:2

Then I saw the seven angels who stand before God and they were given seven trumpets.

Was rapheal called ""the arch angel"".....??.......only michael in the bible is reffered to as ""the arch angel""

See my brother.......this michael the arch angel we are discussing about is the prince of Gods people......he is called the great prince......he does have the power to ressurect........

Can any other spirit son of God ressurect the dead apart from Jesus??..........

That is my question......