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Chuksxp: You can go back to a post I made earlier. I succinctly stated that the Holy Spirit is omnipresence. And if the Holy Spirit could be seen, who's to say Stephen didn't see Him. Maybe He didn't bother mentioning Him because of the context. If you read the whole chapter, you'd see the emphasis was on Jesus being the Messiah. He wasn't trying to prove the Holy Spirit's divinity. His emphasis was on Jesus.

That revelation stephen beheld was a revelation that numerous servants of GOD had received long before stephen and even after Him......

It has always been Jesus sitting at the right hand of his Father,never do we see a third person.......

I'm bringing out this point to squash the trinity dogma.....

Chuksxp: First off, God never said those words to David. The psalm it's found in was by Korah. Secondly, that was a prophecy, which the main interpretation was given to us in Hebrews; showing it was directed to Jesus. Thirdly, no where in scripture are we called 'Gods' with a capital 'G'. Psalm 82 says 'gods' though it was referring to men of authority who were judges, but that a discussion for another day. As for Jesus, the Father calls Him 'God' with a capital 'G'

Were the hebrew and greek texts written with capital letters or small letters??...please answer me....

For your info the hebrew texts were written with all capital letters.......hope you know that??....so don't come here telling me about small and large letters......

And that hebrews 1:8 which is an excerpt from the psalms did have an earlier fulfillment on david......go do your home work well...read down the book of psalms 45 you'll knw those words applied to both a human king and also to Jesus.......

Do your home work well!!!!!!!!!.......

Chuksxp: No.

But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, ~ Acts 57

Lol........

So stephens body became the only place the holy spirit occupied at that instant when he(stephen) looked up into the heavens that was why the holy spirit was not present in that picture....??.....is that what you are saying??......

No make me SMH for you o.........

I'll ask you again,where was the Holy Spirit,the purported third person of the trinity when stephen gazed @ the heavens.??....

Chuksxp: Jesus was standing next to the Father. Two persons here (still one God).

Now, your turn to answer mine. Is it ok to pray to anyone other than God?

SMH!!!!!......

And where was the HOLY spirit??.....

HIM been travel??...

Chuksxp: What's your point?

The Father also calls Jesus God: "But about the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;" ~ Hebrews 1:8a

GOD said exactly those same words to david.....

Read ya bible well.....

Besides God Çalls all of us GODS.......but GOD will nevÉr call Jesus or any of us "MY GOD "...

If you had read john 20:17 well you would have noticed Jesus called the Father ""MY GOD"" and that his GOD is also our GOD.....

That scripture destroys the trinity left,right,front,back and center......

brainpulse: How did Stephen knew it was God he saw? Simple He was filled with the Holyspirit and right there he saw what the people around him could not see. When God decide to do anything He needs no excuse excuse from anybody, religion or not, no law can stop him.
When you are filled with the Holyspirit from God, God Himself can show you anything and take you anywhere.

Stephen was also given a revelation......

How possible is it for stephen to have seen Yahweh and his son sitting @ his right hand all the way from the earth if not through a vision or a revelation??.........eh??.....

OncÉ again I'll tell you guys:::::be content with the revelations and visions that are found in the bible and the bible alone........we don't need any extra visions from anonymous persons..........

Its because of not being content with the scriptures that many believe that in hellfire,satan is with a pitch fork stabbing the hell out of hellfire occupants and that MJ and pope john paul are roasting seriously under that condition.........

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I'm waiting for the next hell fire story.....

I'll keep SMH!!!!!

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Binowei, God has no mother or father please! Stop the blasphemy!

ABEI Tubara??.......the trinity can lead you to that conclusion....I'm just saying.....

@OP.....if you believe Jesus was the invincible GOD incarnate(fully man and fully God when on earth) then you can conclude that mary is the mother of GOD.....kudos to the trinity dogma........

brainpulse: You are sure of your Salvation when you have the Holyspirit within you, that will convict and convince you of your standing with God. He will bring everything to your remembrance and will always hhelp you as promised by Christ.

But endure to the end first,then you can be so sure.........the apostles all endured till death,let OLA get to that stage....like I said he's a supporter of isreals shedding innocent blood....let him scrutinize his stand.....

Image123: envy.

Image oooooooo......how envy take enter this tori??.....

I just gave bro OLA some sound advice......

OLAADEGBU: It is not a presumptuous saying, I believe what God says I am. I believe in His promises.

(Luke 10:20).

If our Lord Jesus says it and I believe it that settles it for me. My name is written down in the book of the Lamb in heaven.

Until the end comes no one is sure of his or her salvation.........it is he that endures to the end that will be saved....besides someone like you who supports wars and killings in this present world might not have his name in the book of the lamb.....you better scrutinize your stand...........

Logicboy03: https://zarconiphoto.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/tumblr_lkon47JUbb1qz8jddo1_500.jpg

Hello gay advocate........

When you are done defending these barbaric acts,kindly train your kids in the same way ...................

OLAADEGBU: . My name is written down in heaven, what about you?

This statement is a presumptuous one......

Take your time o......

Iaz93: Can Oyedepo, Oritsejafor and their likes play ball?

Lol.....you want make there gucci football kits stain??......

obadiah777: I DONE GAVE UP THE NARCOTICS I AM AS CLEAN AS A POT OF ISI-EWU SOUP AFTER DELAFRUITA HAS LICKED IT CLEAN WITH HIS TONGUE

Lmao.......

Who born you??......that woman born character......lol

Is OLA really a christian??......I can't help but ask this question....

chukwudi44: The bible defines who angels are in heb 1:14

Hebrews 1:13-14

New King James Version (NKJV)

13 But to which of the angels has He ever said:

“Sit at My right hand,
Till I make Your enemies Your footstool”?[a]

14 Are they not all ministering spirits sent forth to minister for those who will inherit salvation?

wasnt Jesus also a minister and a messanger of GOD??,....if i dey lie correct me......

Jesus is the number 1 messanger of GOD....Jesus is a morning star and the most holy servant of GOD...i dey lie??

its like the word or title angel is the problem here....

all angels are spirit ''sons'' of GOD....Jesus is the first born Son.....they are all sons but Jesus is the FIRST.....

buzugeeee i hail.....

italo: As long as Jesus is God, then Mary is the mother of God.

Unless you're saying that Jesus is only a man, then that would be another argument entirely...

...And there are so-called "Christians" who say so.

Lol.......

Italo hw far??.....e don tay small we gist......wad up.....

onetrack: Try telling everyone (friends, family, boss) that you are an atheist and see what happens (if you are in naija).

Lol.........

What will happen??.....don't tell me you haven't told your parents you are an atheist......uh??

frosbel: Worship can mean ;

religious rites or ceremonies, constituting a formal expression of reverence for a deity:


great admiration or devotion shown towards a person or principle:

Oxford Dictionary


We worship Jesus in the sense of admiration and devotion while we worship Yahweh with admiration and devotion but also with reverence.


There are only 2 races of beings , Humans and Angels.

Angels are spirits.

Jesus Christ was not and is not an Angel .

This is the same error with Arianism.

We are forbidden to worship angels no matter how highly placed that angel is.

To worship Angel Michael is to commit an act that is expressly forbidden in scripture.

There is not one place in the bible where Jesus is called Michael or vice versa , just as there is nowhere in the bible that mentions Trinity.

To now impose our interpretation on scripture without explicit approval is presumption at best.

Thanks for defining worship and how it applies to Jesus and Yahweh...

No one is imposing anything...all what we are doing is comparing scriptures.........

For now we are still having the lil problem with you accepting that Jesus pre-existed .....so these parallels that are outlined may seem too crazy for you to take in.....

My own priority here right now is to help you see that Jesus pre-existed as a spirit person in heaven before descending to the earth.......your own case is special........

That is why I have been asking who is an angel??....

Let's define who an angel is....

@OP....in what ways has anyone imposed his or her religion on you??....

frosbel: If Jesus Christ is an angel, then you are worshipping an angel.

No one worships Jesus in the real sense of worship.....we adore Him......we worship only Yahweh...have you forgotten??.........

Frosbel I'll like to ask you a simple question.....

Who is an angel??......

I have been asking questions that even chukwudi decided to escape from,giving me yeye answers....and I'll ask frosbel,true2God and all others...
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1......If michael will stand in the end and there will be great tribulations like has not occured before,and then there after the ressurection of the dead and judgement,then what will be Jesus's job??.....knowing that Jesus has been assigned specifically amongst all the other sons of God to carry out that great task of ressurection and judgement...........

2.....Who or what is an angel??......



3.....This question is directed to frosbel.....::::
With all the scriptures quoted,did Jesus pre-exist in heaven before his descending to the earth or did he not??......

4.....While should Jesus shout out with the voice of an arch angel for the dead to be raised??.......
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The main points here are::::::

1........Jesus and michael cannot be executing equal and exact roles there in the heavens.......

No other angel or spirit son of God has been given the mandate and power to ressurect the dead in the final part of the days and judge them and also war with satan except (Jesus).......

2........Many think that the thought of Jesus being the arch angel is demeaning....how about the thought of angel micheal if not Jesus having the same exact powers with Jesus...??what about angel michael being co-equal with Jesus??........

You guys can't dodge glaring points and parallels from the scriptures just to call others heretics................

The most important point here is that Jesus pre-existed and has always fought for Gods people(isreal) and continues to fight and stand up for them...........Jesus' additional roles after his ressurection includes his being a priest of God and the mediator standing between man and God and also being king designate of God kingdom............

Apart from that Jesus has always been spare heading the other angels in fighting for Yahwehs people.........

seriallink: Did Christ follow the ways of His disciples after converting them or taught them the ways of God? So, if you succeed in coverting a juju worshipper today, will you merge his traditions to the body of Christ just to please him? Smh

They are in effect telling us that they couldn't convert pagans just as the apostles and Jesus did....they had to resort to merging pagan practices to christianity to entice the pagans.....but as advocate 666 just said ""they(pagans) are winning""......the pagans won..............

OLAADEGBU: You need to read the revelation carefully and tell us what you've learnt from it. Does it not say that a person can go to the third heaven either with or without the body? Did Paul not say that he went to the third heaven? Here is it again, how do you read?

(2 Cor. 12:1-2).

Did he not say that he was caught up to heaven? If so why will it be strange if someone get's caught up to heaven today?

Did you read verse 7 of 2 corinthians 12??....

Read it........

New Living Translation (©2007)
even though I have received such wonderful
""revelations"" from God. So to keep me from
becoming proud, I was given a thorn in my
flesh, a messenger from Satan to torment me
and keep me from becoming proud.
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It was all a revelation....just like the revelations JOHN saw and penned down in the book of revelations..........

No they didn't ........there were no female priests or a bishop mrs.......

Only prophetesses existed....services and duties in the temple or church were strictly for the men.........

If satÀn knew what was in oÙr miÑds he wouldn't have bothered tempting JOB who was determined to keep his integrity even if it meant death........

Pastor Kun: Even before the open heavens 'devotional' as always contained a lot of heretic thrash. The twisted write up on '100 fold return' written on March 17 2010 easily comes to mind where he claimed to be an high priest and any money given to him would attract a hundred fold return from God.

You mean he said all that??.....smh!!!!!.....

Going to the toilet nko??.....

OLAADEGBU: You definitely think he was deluded then because you are certain that he didn't go to heaven and back, no?

He received a revelation that's why we are reading it from the scriptures......

Any visions outside that of the scriptures is invalid......learn to be content with the scriptures.......