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musKeeto: There's a difference between a test and compassion. Jesus wasn't testing her faith. He told her the truth, but she was so desperate she was willing to go to any length to get her 'miracle'. Jesus was being compassionate to look beyond her 'status' and give her healing..
Whatever Jesus's motives were, the truth is that statement was 'derogatory'.. simple..

I also gave logic boy the scenÀrio of Jesus with d sameritan woman...
U guys haven't made a ny comment about that either....

There existed Ðeep animosity between Jews and samaritans..
On one occasion Jesus sent messangers to make preparations for him in a certain samaritan village..But those samaritans "did not receive him,because his face wÀs set for going to Jerusalem"..
This upset james and jÓhn to d point that they wanted to call down fire from heaven and annihilate them..
But Jesus rebuked the 2 disciples,and all of them went to a different village.. U can read that from luke 9:51-56...

In d case of d samaritan woman instead of Jesus xhibiting traits of bias he used the opprtunity to preach to her..

Infact Jesus asked d woman to give him wtaer to drink...
D woman was surprised why a Jew would ask a samaritan for water to drink knowing d feud that existed btw them...

But Jesus ignored her objection and and siezed d opportunÍty to give a fÍne witness,even acknowleÐging he wa§ d messiah!!!!



Like I told u earlier Jesus was only testing the cannanite womans faith,and that womans faith in d messiah made her problems solved...
Despite her not believeing in the Yahweh,she excercised strong faith in his son and got her hearts desire...

Definitly that woman later became a proselyte and mayb later a christian alongside d apostles and all 1st century christians

musKeeto: There's a difference between a test and compassion. Jesus wasn't testing her faith. He told her the truth, but she was so desperate she was willing to go to any length to get her 'miracle'. Jesus was being compassionate to look beyond her 'status' and give her healing..
Whatever Jesus's motives were, the truth is that statement was 'derogatory'.. simple..

So u® problem is with his statement not his action right??
Lol...

U realy have a big problem with Jesus ooo...

Anyway I just told you what Jesus was doing when he made that statement...

If Jesus stuck by that statement he wouldn't have helped her...

He would have behaved exactly like d pharisees by not even helping d lady...

What Jesus did with that cannanite woman was just a test of her faith.......

Jesus was trying to see if the woman desptite being a non-isrealite could put faith in d messiah...

Faith that even d proud pharisees didn't have...

The pharisees were the bigots who wouldn't wanna have any dealing @ all with d cannanites or pagan nations....

But Jesus seeing the womans faith helped her...

Wether she displayed that much faith or not Jesus still would have helped her because he came for allll...

I agree Jesus christs 1st followers were d Jews and thru them in d 1st century d goodnews got to gentiles and to everybody,but that didn't stop Jesus from carrying out his work...

He wasn't a bigot....he helped any1 who needed it....

Remember Jesus reflected his Fathers qualities...

That is why peter could later say @ acts chapter 10:34 $ 35 that God is not partial..

Jesus blood opened d way for every1 both jews and gentiles(heathens) to enjoy a personal relationship with Yahweh...(Ephesians 2:13 $ 18)

We all(for those who wanna serve God from all around d world) are unÐer a new convenant...

A new covenant with a better and perfect mediator(Jesus)....

So we dnt need physical Jews no more,we dnt need d nation of isreal to come guide us....

Jesus has done that from hebrews8:6 $ 13.....

Jesus death opened d way for all of us simultenously to seek Yahwehs favor...


We are part of d lost sheep of isreal....

Not d physical nation but a spiritual one...

Buzugee 1 question for you...

Are d gentiles who got baptized in d 1st century not part of the 144000 who will rule with Jesus in heaven as co-priests and kings??

buzugee: folks, yall need to deconstruct from church doctrine and reconstruct again. logicboy is right, Jesus refused a canaanite woman because she is a gentile. a heathen. his exact reply was ' i am sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of israel '. see at this point in time only the israelites had the convenant and laws ( psalms 147 vs 19 and 20 ). the other nations ( heathens ) did not have the convenant YET, and as such were not sinning. were there is no law there is no transgression ( romans 4 vs 15 ). so at this point the lord was only dealing with israel and israel was in spiritual darkness because of their rebelliousness and as the lord only works through the israelites he had to send Jesus to die for their sins so he can continue working through them. So jesus was on earth only for the israelites. that woman was a cannanite and hence elicited the response ' I AM SENT BUT UNTO THE LOST SHEEP OF THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL'. another verse is this JOHN 4 VS 22[b] salvation is of the Jews[/b]

Cornelius and d rest gentiles what's there case??

Who realy were d lost sheep of isreal??

The ones that also killed him??

How many of them even listened to Jesus

What about d sameritan woman Jesus preached to

Yahweh and his son now dealss with a spiritual nation not physical as it was in d past,...

Infact through Jesus blood that new convenant was instigated....

U can't tell me that d isreal that is now bombing pakistan is d lost isreal...

A nation that killed prophets and D son of Yahweh..

Hehehehehehehe.....

Just wait for his private jet to come pick u up...

Wait @ d ogun state park

logicboy: Where did Jesus say slavery was bad? He came to modify/ammend the jewish/scriptural laws (which supported slavery)? Slavery was all around him? It's like someone claiming morality in Nigeria and not talking about bribery and corruption.


Did you forget this passage;

Matthew 15:21-28
New International Version (NIV)
The Faith of a Canaanite Woman

21 Leaving that place, Jesus withdrew to the region of Tyre and Sidon. 22 A Canaanite woman from that vicinity came to him, crying out, “Lord, Son of David, have mercy on me! My daughter is demon-possessed and suffering terribly.”

23 Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.”

24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”

25 The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.

26 He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”

27 “Yes it is, Lord,” she said. “Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.”

Did Jesus send d woman away or did he attend to her cries and needs

Please I need ur answer mr logic boy....

The cannanites are part of d lost sheep of isreal...

A "spiritual isreal"" not d physical jews or nation of isreal...

Jesus deals with all of mankind,,,..

I just mentioned to you d case of d sameritan but u ignored it.....

Jesus never acted like d pharisees who were oppresive and biased.....(Who wouldn't mix with gentiles)...

dekung: @Ijawkid,
Jesus was smart enough to advice Peter to sheath his sword, why? Because he knew they were outnumbered and outskilled. What do you think would have happened if ignorant fishermen like peter picked up a dwell with, not one, but several roman soldiers...... and pls slow down on the insults and threats, I want to believe you have some civility in u.

Lol...I'm civil.....

But u'v not answered from d scriptures what Jesus told peter...
Remember??

Jesus told him that he could call angels to end d discussion there...Jesus had angels @ his disposal who could take on those mobs within seconds
Remember
But what Jesus reaction

Peter acted not on Jesus words nor was he imitating Jesus ,rather he acted like a human who would wanna defend his freind in a violent way...

But Jesus taught peter and all christians a lesson on how to react when a christian faces adversity or persecutors....

And he also taught us that a christians war aint physical but spiritual....

Don't read erroneous meanings into Jesus's words...

Remember"" he who kills by d sword dies by it""...fine reminder!!!!

Why nt dwell on those profound points rather than mis-understanding Jesus's words

dekung: So what was Peter using a sword for or why did Jesus ask his disciples to go and get swords? To cut grass?

D problem with u anti-christs is that u never understand d words of Jesus....

The Jesus that made that statement did he ever possess a sword himself

Did any of his disciples ever strole around with swords after Jesus's words

And what didi Jesus do after peters action??
Did he congratulate peter for a job well done
What was Jesus reply to peters action??
And what was Jesus action to d soldier whose ear was cut off??

You fools just go around mis-interpreting what u like.......

And after that event did peter ever carry a sword till his death as a matry?

If Jesus mentioned picking up swords have u guys ever wondered what he really meant
With ur myopic minds I know u'll read into those words literally....

logicboy: The same cowardly Jesus that never talked about the slavery that was common around him? Did Jesus ever say that slavery was bad? The same Jesus that was racist towards the Canaanite woman?

Ur so obsessed with this slavery issue...
Are u a slave where u live or what??
Jesus slaved for people,for his disciples and for all of us...
Jesus never had slaves and never supported it....
Jesus was always ready to serve not to be served

Jesus only encouraged subordinates to be obedient to there superiors of which u do @ ur work place....(Mumu)

And which cannanite women are u talking about??

Have u gone crazy??

Jesus spoke to a samaritan woman teaching his follwers that d goodnews is for all...

Jesus never discriminated...
His followers imitated him by mixing with gentiles to spread d goodnews...
....
The only persons Jesus repudiated were those who weren't ready to obey his Fathers will...

Even @ that he never called angels from heaven to kill them or carry out a genocide,rather he even laid down his life for them....

Ur always on this slave ish..
Are u a slave??

logicboy: Yes, and any atheist that kills people is not a true atheist? Ode

So u guys have code of conduct??

I never knew...

I thought u guys were suppose to do what ever u like with impunity....

If u saw Jesus ever carried out a crusade against those who never wanted to follow him then I would have supported ur points..

But never was that d case..

Jesus set a pattern of love and peace but many who claim to be his followers have become presumpteous,doing what they like...

Don't blame christianity,blame the bigots who perpetrated those acts usin christianity
As there alibi.......

If any right thinking person follows Jesus footsteps we would never hear of wars in d 1st place......
We would never hear of nationalism and tribalism...

Buzugee ona still dey deliberate on this issue

Which kin wahala be this o...lol

logicboy: Ironic that the gayest people on earth are pastors and catholic priest.

The biggest thieves on earth are christians- crusaders and european christians who went around the world to exploit other nation's resource

The best terrorists were christians- crusaders


You have no right to judge atheists' morality, hypocrite.


Ouch! Did I just destroy your points?

Oboy those who took part in d crusades are not christians...they are freaking bigots who claim to be christians....

Those who are gays and priests at d same time are not followers of christ but of there selfish desires.....
They are mad persons who crave for the flesh as if it was there god...
If Jesus took part in crusades,politics and wars then I'll say they are imitating Jesus,but they are fools who were fighting for there selfish interest and for political reasons but camoflaging with christianity...

U didn't squash my points..

I imitate Jesus..

Any1 who claims to be a christian but won't follow Jesus footsteps closely isn't a christian but a liar...

Jesus said only a few will survive into his Fathers kingdom...

That should tell u something...

What realy also attracts many to atheism Is wanting to do all sorts of things devoid of Gods commands to guide them..

They wanna do what they like and when they like to do it...not wanting to be accountable to any higher authority....

Lawlessness is 1 crazy reason why many are tending toward atheism or have become atheist....

If pastors wear blings and u knw is wrong leave d church and keep searching for d truth till u find it...

If some worship images and u knw its wrong then quit associating with such congregation and keep searching for d truth...

If many who claim to be religious leaders today take part in wars and genocides then leave dat church and keep searching for d true 1...

1 must serve God in spirit and in truth....

Keep searching and u'll find...

Lol....

Tb joshua church go full tomorrow...hehehe

@logic boy...

All what u said is sh**t.....

I want u to evolve,dnt get old and die...

Bypass old age and death,just keep evolving....
.....

My problem isn't monkey this ,monkey that,bing bang foolish theory...

My main concern is how would we stop getting old?

Let ur scientist stop old age and death...

I bet ur gods have always asked that question until old age and death swept them all away....
""Dust they were and dust they returned to""
U talk like d america or where ever u stay is a perfect place....
U talk like there's zero injustice in d western world because u now have atheists all over d place
Racism still continues to destroy mankind.....



what about pestilences

Don't u fools over there suffer d same as we do

Don't d westerners die??

There's no realm as hellfire....
Its a myth....

When the scriptures uses fire it is everly symbolic...

When it does use everlasting fire it becomes even more symbolic....


My fellow christians in d house I would like to ask some few questions ...

IS d city of sodom and gomorrah still burning

And from pictures and videos I've always noticed that satan is depicted as been in a hell fire holding a pitch fork waiting for his cohorts...lol

Is that correct too??

Because from d scriptures satan isn't in hellfire.....

Also is the lake of fire d same as hell fire

plaetton: Just yesterday, on another thread, I asked one of the bible-quoting why he prefered to quote from the his so-called Amplified bible instead of the widely read KJV. No response so far. i also asked him other christians in the house to kindly show me the bible passage where Lucicer rebelled, was caste down to earth and changed his name to satan. So far , no takers.
I'm still waiting because I just can't seem to find it in the bible. Shouldn't that be in somewhere in Genesis?
Olaadegbu, pls help out.

Lucifer isn't satan..

Its d king of babylon....

Kjv chose to use d word lucifer and that's where d wahala started!!!.....

Lmao..

Ona no go kill me with laugh

Ubenedictus: your logic has a big problem, wen i was born my genetic and material body came from my parent but my spirit was from God, does that mean that my moda is not really my moda? When Jesus was born a material body from mary a spiritual soul and his divinity all came together as one person in d womb of mary, so wen mary gave birth she gave birth to Jesus God and man, so she is the moda of Jesus she is d moda of God d son

And then david too is d father of God...

Abii

Because Jesus is davids son as the scripture says.....

Catholics are crazy set of idolaters!!!!....


Madness!!...

Just keep worshiping mary and wait for Jesus's anger when d end comes...

logicboy: Why do you choose to be ignorant?

1) Monkeys are not evolving into humans anymore because of speciation. Humans and monkeys have the same common ancestor but along the way, there was a genetic drift and and we got split into different species. The common ancestors branched into different species. Humans will evolve into more advanced humans and monkeys into advanced monkeys.

2) Yes, we are all turning into monsters. I did not grow all of my wisdom teeth. The other one that grew needs removal. We have no need for our wisdom teeth unlike before. We are bigger than human beings during the medieval times. Bigger with more effective teeth. Monsters

3) The germ theory nko? Do you reject it? Why not roll around in the gutter and see what germs can do?

4) You christians are one of the reasons why Nigeria is backwards, we have no science museums to showcase fossils because evolution debunks the bible. We dont have spearation of church and state for freedom of persecution by religious fanatics. The muslims in Nigeria are a lost cause and another entire story.,

Y should we be worried about fossils when are worried with what happens to us after death...

Old age and death is what has plagued mankind for aeons and we wish it ends...

Fossils or sh**t d end result is death....

u foolishly believe ur gods(atheists) when they tell u monkeys have stopped evolving into humans...

Why
Why didn't u argue with them

It is in this era where people like u need proof for everything. That we suddenly stopped evolving....

Are things evolving or reproducing there own kinds

With d millions of species of plants and animals how come are they all reproducing there kinds rather than evolving into something different


When u must have evolved into a dragon u can give me a beep here on nairaland...


And I'mma give u a good reason why 9ja is backward...

Because d persons who claim to serve God are hypocritical...
They dnt obey God by there actions...
That's why there's mayhem here in nigeria...

Even if wole soyinka rules 9ja this is how it will be....

A thief is always thief until he or she changes.....
We all know what 9ja's problem is....
Its not fossils or evolution or creation...

It is corruption!!!!!!!!!!
If I call u a monkey now u'll get angry,but it seems u realy love to be 1....

Joagbaje: What has a christian gathering got to do with secular musician to start with?

I wonder o my brother....!

@logic boy...u baffle me a lot...

Ur speaking like the ""thoery of gravity" or the word ""gravity"" is what created d gravity....


It was just a name given to the pull(force)....

We all feel gravity even if we can see it...

We percieve its action on us.....

I could give it another name if I had existed as a scientist in them day....


I still can't believe that u'll degrade your life and urself claiming u evolved from ape or some fossils(fishes) just to run away from d fact that there's an intelligent creator...


I had once in a previous post wished that d kids u give birth to come as apes or fishes so that u'll get d full import of what u wish for.....
Do you have kids??

And it has been asked a million times why recent apes stopped evolving into humans ,but give birth to there kinds?

Is reproduction and evolution the same and exact thing?

Why are we humans giving birth to our kinds?


Are we evolving??

Show me 1 evolved human......

Show me proof,.....

Use urself as an example....

Are u evolving into some freaky monster anytime from. Now

U had better be happy God created man the way we are...

Your most correct my bro...

Women do nt fit into those qualifications.....

Never was there ever a bishop mrs or a deaconess amongst 1st century christians....

But today d reverse is d case..

Immediately a woman marries a pastor,she automatically becomes a bishop mrs or a pastor mrs....

I ask:::::
Was that ever a qualification?

Aizebioje: Ok...I have read different post tonguelashing various MOGs of new generation churches and I have this for the MOG haters as I nw fondly call them

1) These MOGs have impacted the Nigerian society and economy in ways better than any political leader have...I once read a post that said Nigerian Pastors/Bishops are no different than the Nigerian politicians in the sense that they enrich themselves by stealing from the poor in d name of tithes and offerings(tax nd dues) but I beg to differ...These Men of God have through their "stolen money" created thousand of jobs for Nigerians. How many new jobs has the 9ja government created for its citizens.Taking Oyedepo(the most tongue bashed MOG on nairaland) as a case study,the man has various buildin projects going on around the country and these provide thousands of jobs(though seasonal)for people.also ,he is an entrepreneur with various business outlets to his credit which include a publishing house,bakery,purewater factory,schools(crossing thru all levels) and most recently,an airline(for which he was almost crucified)...similar business outlets are owned by other churches.

2) A thread was raised about the aforementioned MOG slapping a young lady...BIG DEAL.Any 1 with a strong Christian background wouldn't have held back when the lady said"I AM A WITCH FOR JESUS".Duh!WHAT RELATIONSHIP HAS DARKNESS WITH LIGHT? Besides if U study the bible,u'll see that those kids who laughed at the prophet because he had a bald head were devoured and even when Jesus entered the temple and saw people busing and selling he overturned the tables and chased them out(Only God knows how many people broke their legs and hands or had injuries in the process). In essence all he(Oyedepo) did was defend his Father's honour which I believe any1 of here would do if sme1 dared insult our earthly fathers...

We all come here to judge them like they aren't humans bound to make mistakes...by heavens even T.B Joshua should not be judge...at least not by Man...Can U prove he's a fake,were you there when God called Him,have you caught Him using black magic?if yes where and when?

Believe it or not these men have made their marks and have written their names in the sands of time and they're definitely not affected by ur petty hate posts...fake or real,people have received their miracles,people are receiving their miracles and people will receive their miracles.all it takes is FAITH!

Someone said these MOGs make Him wana stop church and I asked Him "ARE U SERVING THEM OR GOD?".whatever they say on dat alter or in their books be it spiritually inspired or not is not ur biz al U nid do is put them to work in your life and you'll see the effects.

In conclusion,before you start spitting shit about these MOGs,count their mistakes(by ur standard) and count urz. Measure their achievements and urz and list out how they affected the lives of people(and how many people they've affected) and compare it with yours then make your judgement afterwards...CIAO

Have they done 1/4th of what d apostles did


Please throw this gibberish u wrote in d trash....


U think its by running around d country with jets and slapping young kids that makes 1 successful as a man of God

Those guys are celebrities who want fame and money and slaves(gullible followers) who would cheer them...

uhonmora: Ozegbe,

I cannot count the number of slaps you will receive on the day you try such. You will be condemned to hell for challenging a man of god, curses will be placed on you and the whole congregation will cheer on thinking you are an agent of the devil.

Just like d gladiator arena days.....

Hehehehehehehe

Yeye!!!

chiteny: ....and what was he doing there ready to perform in the first place?

I was about asking d same....
What is dbanj doing on d church stage in d 1st place...

Amongst all d faithfuls in d winners chapel he culdnt pick 1 to come perform even if its a lullaby,but chose dbanj a well renowned immoral bobo...

D o these churches understand what cleanness and orderliness is or they are just social clubs as numo86 said...

buzugee: the christian is a dummy. thats why he got smoked like a cuban cigar

Lol...serious dummy....

buzugee: so long as accomodation is free, i dont care.

Accomodation where?

U might end up renting ya own apartment to stay....

The last time I checked,d apartments that nysc made for corp members were as small as my shoe...

U'll have like 8 room mates...hehehehehehehe

In 1 small room...

You ready to suffer

buzugee: right but only after oyedepo has delivered a barrage of satan-destroying slaps

Hahahahahaha...
Ona no go kill me for laugh for this religious section o...

Barrage of satan-destroying slaps...
Roflmao!!!

buzugee: i thought it was all fun and games and adventure ? i guess i was wrong. i like the outfits though. do you have to pay for the outfits or are they free ?

Its fun if ur posted to some good place...

But wit d recent plan all corp members are to teach in schools....

Brain dulling!!!!

The kit is free...but its sub standard and useless....

And guess what

We've not been paid our allowance for april...

Corp members are actually starving...lol

BERNIMOORE: @ ijawkid,
sorry i misunderstood you,
i thought that you are supporting 'the modern day tongue speaking, but having gone through your earlier post,i just realised that we are almost saying the same thing, i thing i agree with your comment below;

Ur welcome bro......

How are you

Abeg help me tell buzugee how annoying nysc can be sometimes...lol