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Trinitarians have made jesus

1.....A LIAR......
For lying to us he is GÓds son when he is suppose to be the Father himself....

Let's imagine if we edit john 3:16 this way

"For God loved the world so much that he sent his only begotten SELF in other that any one exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have eternal life""


Let's also edÍt these scriptures like this...

John 17:3

""And this is eternal,that they might know thee the only true God,and GOD(himself) whom thou hast sent....

What about 1 timothy 2:5

""For there is one God ,and one mediator between God and man,the man ""GOD""

Because according to trinitarians Jesus is both mediator and Yahweh @ d sÀme time...

It means Jesus is a high priest to himself...
Crazy aint it


2....

TrinÍtarians have also indirectly pictured Jesus as one who suffered from §chizophrenia..


If Jesus with his heavenly awareness and senses could pray to some1 greater than he is but @ d same be that person he is praying to,what do we call that

Let's edit this statement too to suit trinitarians...
Instead of reading
""I am going back to the Father,because the Father is greater than (I am)"

Why don't we read to suit trinitarians

""I am going back to the Son,because the Son is greater than himself (I am)""

Meaning Jesus is greater than himself....

What do we call that

Schizophrenia!!!!!!!!!


Lest I forget The apostles also called Jesus d holy servant of Yahweh which he is...

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Acts 3:13
Matthew 12:18

logicboy: Is evolution taught in Nigerian schools? No.

Is bible studies taught in Nigerian schools? Yes.


Evolution is a scientific theory. Why dont you reject white man's germ theory or theory of gravity?

Bible is just a story. We have our own story of Sango

I was taught evolution in my secondary school bro....

Here in nigeria

But I chose not to believe it..

Homo sapien sh**t!!!!

I was taught all that in school


White people brought it to us....

I see creative works all around me which I attribute to a creator,not to evolution....

bennyraz: no it wasn't. U are a witness too.

I'v got relatives who are....

I like them.....

We all read that book na when we small...

The 144000 issue is all revelations...

But I like there stand on d fact that persons will inherit d earth....

Because that is right too...

Heaven or earth I ready stay any1....lol

logicboy: Difference;


Christainity; Jesus is a Jew. All prophets or big names in the bible were Jews. Christianity is "proved" by the ressurection of a jew

Evolution; Man came from a common ancestor with monkeys. Fossils are found by white/araba/blacks/Asians. Evolution is "proved" by everybody

Lol....u make me laugh logic boy..

So whites brought christianity but evolution was brought by everybody...

No make me laugh die ooo...

How is that

No be white man courses like philosophy and biology wey we begin hear of evolution

Tell me.....

bennyraz: what about the teachings that only 144,000 people will make it to heaven.

Was that in d bible story too??lol

HehehehÉ....kunta kinte..


But have u asked urself how and where d theorÝ of evolution came from??

Is it still not from d white guys??

Slaveryyyyyyyy!!

I think many persons started having problem with d book when they noticed the constant use of the name of God (Yahweh) which I think is right....

Also that Jesus was hung on a stake...

But isn't that right too

Because d cross issue is 1 of those myths of modern christianity that crept in with constantine if I'm not mistaken...

They brought in d cross so that they can tie it on there necks,worship it and pray to and thru it....(IDOLATRYYYYY)....


I think mayb d witnesses have just been right all along....

I still wonder why other denominations of christendom don't use d image of mary in there worship??
I wonder!!!

Why adopt constantines cross and forfeit mary's image

Something many shuld ponder over,....

Ptolomeus: I fully share his presentation.
One thing to talk about Jesus as a deity (divine basis).
This divine nature is not clear when mentioned in the Bible that he is the "son of God."
Another thing is to attribute the character of God to Jesus.
For the Jews (root of Christianity) Jesus was a prophet and that is by no means a pejorative. After the death of Jesus, the so-called "Christians" first had to define leadership, which resulted in bloody infighting. As I said before, and you mention was in 325 AD that the Catholic Church officially accepts the trilogy. The Jews never accepted that.

I also agree with you, an angel (whichever) is a divinity ( more, nobody can deny the divine origin of Lucifer). But there is a big difference between what is a divinity and a god.

I hope I have offended anyone, it's just my opinion.

U haven't offended any1 my bobo...lol

I was just giving engima a full definition of the wÓrd divine....

All Àngels in heaven are divine.....

Even satan was divine..


So Jesus being divine does not mean he is Yahweh or d same as Yahweh or o.n d same level of Yahweh....

That was d point I was trying to make....

logicboy: Christianity will die under its hypocrisy in the western world where information is available and considered important.

I still can't understand this celibacy issue enforced as a requirement for being a priest in d catholic church..

U can imagine Fathering a child is now a sin...

See me see wahala!!!!!!!

Na them sabi

@joe...

Na who tell you??

It mite be a little possible sha...

A church where masturbation and ciggerate smoking can be allowed is 1 where many will like to go...

Soon mayb gay marraige will be allowed too....

buzugee: my day dey one kind oo my brother lol. i dey sleep for daytime dey wake up for night. you dey do nysc for naija ? nice one. i need to come do nysc sef. would be a blast.

Oboy the whole scheme dey annoying...

I just dnt know why it hasn't been scrapped...

NOW YOUR SUFFER CONTINUES..(Nysc)...
Hehehehehehehehehe

buzugee: abi ooo my brother how are ya Chief ? trust all is well

I dey o...hw is ur day??

Me wan sleep ooo...

I wan vex sleep sef...

Nysc and nigerÍa dey vex me

BERNIMOORE: @Ijawkid,
How dare you try to confuse issues here, in your quote below;


the issue here is that why do you confuse 'revelational knowledge' with 'mere educational knowledge'?

further in verse 9;
1 Corinthians 13:9,states that;

9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part.

earlier in verse 2 of 1corinthians, paul had already explained revelational spirit that leads to the 'knowledge'.


1 cor 2:10-12;
10 these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit.

The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11 For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us.

this kind of Knowledge is not learned, but operates automatically.
its very funny when some people says that they learn 'speaking in tongue', no you dont, when you learn it then be sure that what you are doing is what is termed 'grossolalia'.

Also in your quote below, stop personalising what bible says;



Again,
How dare you are changing 'a plain'statements of facts recorded in acts chapter 2,you convieniently quoted acts 2, which is very plain on the issue of 'every man hearing their own language'
but your quote below you inserted your own meaning meant to 'confuse' or 'distort',
here is your comment;(emphasis on bolded ones)

your bolded statement in blue was not in agreement with acts 2:6-8 below,which you quoted,


Act 2:6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, [size=14pt]because that every man heard them speak in his own language. [/size]
Act 2:7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?
Act 2:8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

Therefore,your statement below;

is a fabricated notion and a self imposed concept following your own rules and it ran foul of the 'reason of speaking in tongue'.

Knowledge and prophesying too has ceased too...

Are u still writing d bible??

Knowledge has indeed ceased....

Prophesies were climaxed @ revelations...

That's why any prophecy outside d boundaries of d bible(genesis to revelation) given by any charlatan today is always null and void...

We have a complete bible my brother...

We dnt need all those prophesying and tongues speaking....
Did it occur to u that we are in d last days and soon the end will ensue...

All we need is to keep awake and apply understanding to Gods commands and practice...


U can continue speaking d sh**t u call speaking in tongues....

Rubbish!!!

I have asked y'all to explain what tatatatatatatatatabababababababagagagagagagagagagarerererereerereehahahahahahahahahadididididiididi means


When Jesus returns u'll tell him u were speaking in tongues when u were suppose to be exhibiting self sacrificing LOVE,which is d real identity of christians and also what will remain in this end times...


@buzugee...

Me na only yoruba,english and pidgin english and a little ijaw na him I sabi speak....

Let d clowns keep speaking in gibberish and let's see who ends up fake in d long run

MyJoe: Please highlight one verse in the Bible where Jesus did the bolded. Thank you in anticipation of your cooperation.

U want scriptures??
Scriptures are on d way....


Meanwhile have u checked out d other points or ur pastors have given u some handkerchiefs to block ya eyes...

Jesus cured 10 lepers,I wonder whether he was on a chariot or on a pullpit when he did that....

D woman with d blood flow,wasn't Jesus actually walking by with his disciples on d road?was he on a chariot or on a crusade ground

Jesus moved from place to place where he could meet d down trodden..

Somethin ur pastors will never try becasue of there pride and ego....

Instead they stay in there jets cruising round d world impoverishing many...


Now u want scriptures when u know d truth...

Pick up ur bible and read d gospels and come back to analyze modern day miracle workers...


If Jesus was fond of staying @ a comfort zone while his disciples were d 1's doing d slave work how will Jesus have performed all d miracles recorded in d gospel??

How would he have given a fine witness to the sameritan woman??

Who would he have encountered d crowd he fed

Now ur asking for scriptures.....

Soon u'll say Jesus was as rich as d modern day charlatans who call themselves follwers of Jesus...

@engima..

What do u understand by divine

Are angels in heaven not divine toooo

All heavenly beings are divine for ur information..

If an angel appears before you u'll be so forced to bow down to that angel...

Divine means other things apart from God or a god...
It also means heavenly or celestial....


Jesus who was a spirit in heaven has no option but to be divine....

He was super human,a spirit.....

Like I quoted Jesus""he came to do his Fathers will""

Doesn't that send a signal to you??

Mr nicean.....lol

Hehehehehehehe...

My belle o

Alex abeg leave pastor chris alone...

I don tire for 9ja as a whole...

Everything is just upside down...

Even d churches

tchaik: Hilarious.

Hahahahaha....

Na now I know why them give us that oath form to sign...

So that when they dnt pay us we will keep quiet...

But we no go gree ooo

Why can't d parents be with there kids

In such a crowded place kids should be in the hands of there parents not some day care group inside d church....


I'm still asking what is d damn reason for kids having a kids department in d house of God?


Why can't d kids learn alongside there parents just as it was in time past...

Sorry to the parents undergoing this great loss

Mumu country with foolish thief thief demonic leaders

Reasons y I shuld doubt todays acclaimed miracle workers..

Let's compare how Jesus n his apostles in d 1st century performed miracles vs how our pastors today perform there's..
Then let's see if they are commensurate or if todays pastors are actually doing greater works as they claim..

1..Jesus's miracles:: were always impromptu..they were never done on stages or crusades..

Pastors today:: there miracles are always done on pullpits or on stage and never impromptu...

2..Jesus ::moved from house to house,city to city,door to door on foot and solved whatever problems he met,performing miracles ,even ressurecting dead persons...

Pastors today:: they stay @ there comfort zones,send there gullible members to run around with bills inviting people to a crusade of which many sick persons dnt even have d means to get to d location...(Are they bigger than Jesus I wonder)
Never has any of the daddy G.O's or pastors trekked on d road looking for sick persons to heal infact they have become so rich and wealthy to do that..


3...Jesus:: was always moved with pity to help d poor and needy and so he performed many miracles..that is why he could feed 5000 persons with food,and also did heal lepers and many others because he was sympathetic..
And also Jesus never sold his miracles,nor collected money from any1 after performing a miracle.

Todays pastors::: I barely think our pastors are moved with pity to even help d needy..
Many show of there actions on TV and then make money out of there followers..
Many sell handkerchiefs ,telling there followers it will heal them even when it wouldn't..
Many drive jets and own enterprises @ d expense of there poor members who pay tithes..
Can we call that pity my dear nairalanders??

4..Jesus despite all d works he did lived a simple life, a life devoid of materialism and so did his apostles...
They were never peddlers of Gods word,they were simple men who were approachable by any1 lacking both spiritually and otherwise...

Todays pastors:::
They are now like politicians who are un reachable..
That is why they can't strole down motor parks and market places without bodyguards to heal d sick and down trodden..
To see some of the General overseers personally for miracles or whatever deliverance 1 has to pay money for that...am I lying?


5..Jesus did tell us that having d faith like that of a mustard seed can move mountains..and so virtually every person who came for a cure or who Jesus met that was sick got healed even when they had little or no faith and they were healed instanteneously..


Pastors today::: when they can't play there tricks on there followers no more they tell them they don't have faith..and then u see them preaching faith here and there, all just to cure 1 small illness...



ARE our todays PASTORS like there master they claim to follow??
ARE they actually doing greater works or less works??

He said he is Gods son....

And ofcus he is divine,he had lived in heaven by his Fathers side aeons b4 d universe was formed...

But he(Jesus) is Gods 1st born son and Yahweh is his DADDYYYYYY!!!!!!

The Jews who knew about d messiahs coming knew Jesus was mainly coming to do his Fathers will(our Fathers will)....
Dying for sinful mankind and reedeming us from sin and death.....

In all that Jesus did he sanctified his Fathers name and preached about him...

Because Yahweh is all and in all.......

@enigma....

The hebrews ur quoting still tells u that Jesus has a God....

Since ur thinking is stereo typed to think Yahweh called Jesus God verse 9 of heb®ews 1 still says and Í quote""THAT IS WHY GOD THY GOD""

How many Gods do we have

Like deÉp sight said that verse is an exact extract from psalm chapter 45....

The 2 elohims mentioned there can't mean d same..
.
Does elohim always mean God
And mind u in psalms david was the one speaking not Yahweh...

Apostle paul was doing a requote of psalms...

How would Ya hweh annoint his fellow??
Does it make sense??

One person is higher than the other that is why one is anointing and the other anointed....

And if u look carefully Jesus was made great amongst his brothers,his contemporaries...

Yahweh,almighty God has no brothers nor contemporaries,not even his son is equal to him....

Enigma: ^^^

Ask yourself why Jesus called Himself "The Almighty".

Rev 1:8

So in ur head u feel verse 8 of revelation chapter 1 refers to Jesus

For ur info that verse 8 refers strictly to Yahweh....he is only almighty...

U forgot to read verse5 and 6 of that chapter...
Let me quote it for u..
Revelation 1:5 and 6

English Standard Version (ESV)
5 and from Jesus Christ the faithful witness,
the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of
kings on earth.
To him who loves us and has freed us from our
sins by his blood 6 and made us a kingdom,
priests to his God and Father, to him be glory
and dominion forever and ever. Amen.

...........................................

5 and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful
witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the
ruler of the kings of the earth.
To him who loves us and has freed us from our
sins by his blood, 6 and has made us to be a
kingdom and priests to serve his God and
Father —to him be glory and power for ever
and ever! Amen.


......

I wonder if d almighty has a Father and God

Can u please answer?

We could go on and on in this.....

.....
These might be d problems

1...It is either d bible has been tampered with overtime of which I'm sure of,that is why these confusions are ensuing...

2.....God forbid but from the whole trinity dogma we can conclude that Jesus was either a liar or he suffered from memory loss or was drunk for telling us that his Father is greater than he is(there is nothing as clear as those words from Jesus himself) while he was d Father and then almighty @ d same time....


Note::If thomas called Jesus God did his other apostles call him that??

U are asking why Jesus didn't stop him,?

1 thing Jesus never did was wanted worship for himself just as u guys are pushing it to him....


If Jesus was God he wouldn't go around making people guess if he was..

He would have told people to worship him,something Yahweh always told d isrealites....

If there is 1 thing God is known for its for his jealous nature.....
He always commanded he exclusive devotion and he always told d isrealites that he is God.....

But was that d case with Jesus

Jesus even told d pharisees he was son of God but they said he said he was God himself...

Jesus never opened his mouth to say ""I am God and I deserve worship"""

Never ever!!!!!

Jesus even could make d same statement @ deutronomy saying"" Yahweh our God is 1 God""

What else do we need??

Revelations 1:8 applies strictly to Yahweh and not Jesus....

If Jesus is almighty then there is some1 almightier than he is ,and that is Yahweh.

@jmoore...

Nope u are the 1 who has thrown ur bible and chose to follow ur nicean ancestors..

Read Jesus's explanation of his being one with his Father...

Read John 17:20-23

20 “My prayer is not for them alone. I pray
also for those who will believe in me through
their message, 21 that all of them may be one,
Father, just as you are in me and I am in you.
May they also be in us so that the world may
believe that you have sent me. 22 I have given
them the glory that you gave me, that they
may be one as we are one — 23 I in them and
you in me—so that they may be brought to
complete unity. Then the world will know that
you sent me and have loved them even as you
have loved me.


Jesus used his own mouth to explain what he meant @ john 10:30...

U are just as impatient as the pharisees were who never waited for Jesus to explain truths to them even when it seemed vague to them....


Jesus said we should be 1 just as he and his father are 1....
We( christians)in him(Jesus),then he(Jesus) in Yahweh,then we(christians) in both Jesus and Yahweh.....
All amounting to unity....

Like ptolemeus earlier asked you:::ARE you JESUS since you and Jesus are one

Read ur bible my bro and stop being a nicean!!!!


Apostle bortressed dis point @ 1corinthians 11:3. Yahweh is head of Jesus just as Jesus is head of man.....

Got it

If Jesus is equal to his Father ,then we can equally say we all christians are equal to Jesus...

But is that possible

Yes it can if I hold on to d trinity....

I might start calling u God or Jesus after this discussion because we are part of d trinity too from your oneness analogy!!!

jmoore: I ignored it because it is a waste of time and you gave the wrong interpretation, you also did misinterpret the quotes I gave.

Just to show the full verse John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." It clearly shows that Son of God is God.


And you skipped your wrong interpretation of the point below. It is interesting how you try to pick from point 1 to 8 I gave and left out point 7.

7-Matthew 17:33 "And those who were in the boat "worshiped Him", saying, “You are certainly a "God’s Son!”"
Matthew 28:9 "And behold, Jesus met them and greeted them. And they came up and took hold of His feet and "worshiped Him.""
They worshiped him because he is God.

THEY WORSHIPED HIM!!! THEY WORSHIPED HIM BECAUSE HE IS GOD!!!

Please define worship??...

We all know how d jews worshiped Yahweh...

If they thought Jesus was God all d priest should have offered sacrifices on behalf of d jews to Jesus...

But did they?

Jesus himself led by example how we should worship his Father becasue he worships him too...
That is why Jesus went to d synagogue,the temple which solomon built...


D problem with u guys is when ever somebody bows down or u hear d word bow down. Or worship then u think it always literally means exerting exclusive devotion...


If Jesus was God all d isrealites including his disciples and all of them would have made animal sacrifices in front him and directed it to him...

But did that ever happen.??..

How could u over look a scripture like john 20:17

U go about quoting worship here and there even when u know Jesus himself worshiped some1 higher and greater than he was....

if thomas called Jesus his lord and God isn't that his personal opinion

If Yahweh himself spoke from heaven and called Jesus his son to every ones hearing would it be reasonable to be holding on to thomas's view?

Yahwehs and thomas's view which should we uphold

Even Jesus himself said his Father is greater than he is,but humans like you say Jesus is equal or even mayb greater than his Father....

Does your general overseer pay tithe?

Or does ur daddy G.o or pastor pay tithe

How could jesus not actually know when hÉ'll return becau§e he was in human form??

DiÐ he suffer from amnesia or because hÉ actually still didn't know b4 he descenÐed from heaven...??.

Did his been human stop him or limit his knowledge as to what he was in heaven, and what he knew b4 descending from heaven??


Íf Jesus didn't know d time when d end will come except d Father it simply means he didn't know....shikena!!!

Jesus never begged for any1 to presume because he was human then he had memory loss.....

Jesus didn't know everything....
He follows instructions too

ckkris: ijawkid
Jesus instructed us to OCCUPY TILL HE COMES. Please, I beg you, kindly list out where YOU THINK its Scripturally safe to occupy. Enjoy your Sunday Services.

How did d early christians occupy that is what u shuld be asking urself...

We are not d 1st set of christians that ever existed...

We have a blue print,we have ancestors,we have men who are part of d foundation of christianity(the apostles),then we have our master Jesus who by his actions showed us how we should follow him....

How did Jesus occupy d territory he resided??
He preached continously till his earthly life came to an end....

How did d early christians occupy d earth back then??

They preached tirelessly both in judea,samaria and to the most distant part of d earth....

How should we occupy today just as our leader and ancestors did in imitation of them?


I guess u can give me d answer....


If christians belive that an end to this wicked system is fast approaching and then we want to go to heaven quikly as we yearn for(I don't know if some realy want this world to end because of there materialistik life style,and there zeal to be famous and powerful) then you should knw what we shuld be using this injury time for...

Preach!preach!!preach!!!!!! Till d end comes...

Satan rules d world!!!!!

Engaging in politics as christians will only squeeze us into satans mould more than ever before...
We can't change the political system,its already in d hands of some1 wicked...
What we can change are individuals who realy wanna serve God b4 d final trumpet blows...

We are not stronger than Jesus who shunned politics and stuck to his fathers work to preach...

We have d same assignment Jesus had when he came to d earth....

buzugee: e done clear well well. you right though. i need to stop drinking altogether. not like i drink all the time though. just weekends. you drink ? shekpe and manya and ogogoro ?

Shekpe?

Them dey sell am abroad

No go commit crime after some shots ooo...
Hehehehehe