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Dux-01:
but look at this it says your''divine ''throne.that makes all the difference.that divine there cannot be referred to humans or satan.IT IS OF GOD.That is why his throne IS GOD's throne.even your bible says it is ''divine''.There is no one whom you can refer the word divine to except God even lucifer was never regarded as divine and if it is referred to Jesus well i think you know the conclusion.

benalvino: Before quoting from Goodnews then another now another just because it helps your argument again suddenly the Good news is not a good bible anymore now is RSV.... when it reaches another RSV wont be a good one you will look for another... you want to check the greek so that we know the original meaning and remove English language? you want to?

benalvino: Back to begotten

In (Heb 11:17), it says Abraham offered up to God, Isaac, his only begotten son. However,
ijawtubo pumbobasticks you know that Abraham had another son, Ishmael. So, clearly Isaac wasn't Abraham's ONLY
begotten (created) son. In this example, "only begotten" means that Isaac was the son through
which God was going to fulfill His covenant promises (See: Gen 15:4-5, Gen 17:19-21). This is
a parallel example of Jesus being begotten of the Father. Jesus was the one, sent by the Father,
through which the promises of the New Covenant would be fulfilled.

So begotten doesn't prove he was created. Read my post earlier... Too I will give you time.

Ps. you don't read bible and open dictionary to understand it... you will be lost. read bible and open bible to understand it.

benalvino: all are identical except one...

benalvino: lol therefore God, your God... if the verse say I your God I will understand but it says God Your God... what does it mean? then link it to Hebrew 1-8

Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.

Psalm 45:6-7
7 Thou lovest righteousness, and hatest wickedness: therefore God, thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

Hebrews 1:7-9
And of the angels he said, Who makes his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. 8But to the Son he said, Your throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a scepter of righteousness is the scepter of your kingdom. 9You have loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even your God, has anointed you with the oil of gladness above your fellows. now God called Jesus O God... you tried to run away from it... you see that psalms and Hebrew are same thing?

What I see is Big letter G... I don't know how you are translating it.

and if you have a son and tell him your father says go home does it make sense? you are his father how can you tell him what his father says... if you use I said Go home then it makes sense.
try and change it to small letter.

benalvino: you always pick from the one that tries to support your point of view good... these are all the translation I can find... I wonder why you didn't quote from your goodnews translation this time. but see them and tell me what you think.

New International Version (©2011)
while we wait for the blessed hope--the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ,
New Living Translation (©2007)
while we look forward with hope to that wonderful day when the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, will be revealed.

English Standard Version (©2001)
waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
looking for the blessed hope and the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Christ Jesus,

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009)
while we wait for the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ.

International Standard Version (©2012)
as we wait for the blessed hope and glorious appearance of our great God and Savior, Jesus the Messiah.

NET Bible (©2006)
as we wait for the happy fulfillment of our hope in the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
While we look for the blessed hope and the revelation of the glory of The Great God and Our Lifegiver, Yeshua The Messiah,

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
At the same time we can expect what we hope for-the appearance of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ.

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Savior Jesus Christ;

American King James Version
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Savior Jesus Christ;

American Standard Version
looking for the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

Douay-Rheims Bible
Looking for the blessed hope and coming of the glory of the great God and our Savior Jesus Christ,

Darby Bible Translation
awaiting the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of our great God and Saviour Jesus Christ;

English Revised Version
looking for the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of our great God and Saviour Jesus Christ;

Webster's Bible Translation
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God, and our Savior Jesus Christ;

Weymouth New Testament
in expectation of the fulfilment of our blessed hope--the Appearing in glory of our great God and Saviour Jesus Christ;

World English Bible
looking for the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ;

Young's Literal Translation
waiting for the blessed hope and manifestation of the glory of our great God and Saviour Jesus Christ,

benalvino: God had BEFORE DETERMINED that Jesus Christ would be crucified ON A SPECIFIC DAY IN HISTORY. This SPECIFIC DAY transpired IN REAL TIME approximately two thousand years ago when Herod, Pilate, the Gentiles and the people of Israel gathered together to crucify Jesus Christ. IOW, although God had FOREKNOWLEDGE of this day, the day itself manifested approximately two thousand years ago and it was A LITERAL DAY (the feast of Passover). Why is this important? Because those who insist that Jesus Christ was "eternally begotten" will force a meaning on the next portion of this PROPHETIC (foretelling FUTURE events that had yet to occur at the time of its writing) Psalm that is not only unscriptural and out of context, but also quite unnecessary. That forced meaning is that the day in which Christ was "begotten" was an eternal day. As we're about to see, such a forced meaning has no merit to it whatsoever...at least not in the manner in which such adherents to this doctrine advocate.

Psalm 2:4-7

"He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision. Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore dispeasure. Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion. I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; THIS DAY HAVE I BEGOTTEN THEE."

How does God respond to those who have gathered together to crucify Jesus Christ? God laughs at those who foolishly think that they can thwart His predetermined plan and says, "Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion" or that He will raise the crucified Christ from the dead and that He (Christ) will still reign as God's appointed King. Through the mouth of His servant David, God PROPHETICALLY says, "I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; THIS DAY HAVE I BEGOTTEN THEE". Here, the LORD (God) says to Jesus, that He will "beget" Him on A SPECIFIC DAY ("this day" and this "begetting" is directly related to HIS RESURRECTION FROM THE DEAD and has absolutley nothing to do whatsoever with either Christ's origins (being supposedly "eternally begotten" as the Nicene Creed fteaches) or with His incarnation/the virgin birth (as others believe). Once again, this is not merely my opinion, nor is it my "private interpretation", but it is, IN FACT, the plain teaching of scripture, for we read:

Acts 13:26-33

"Men and brethren, children of the stock of Abraham, and whosoever among you feareth God, to you is the word of this salvation sent. For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him. And though they found no cause of death in him, yet desired they Pilate that he should be slain. And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulchre. BUT GOD RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD: And he was seen many days of them which came up with him from Galilee to Jerusalem, who are his witnesses unto the people. And we declare unto you glad tidings, HOW THAT THE PROMISE WHICH WAS MADE UNTO THE FATHERS, GOD HATH FULFILLED THE SAME UNTO US THEIR CHILDREN, IN THAT HE HATH RAISED UP JESUS AGAIN; AS IT IS ALSO WRITTEN IN THE SECOND PSALM, THOU ART MY SON, THIS DAY HAVE I BEGOTTEN THEE."

The Apostle Paul plainly stated that GOD FULFILLED THE PROPHETIC PROMISE THAT WAS MADE UNTO THE FATHERS IN THE SECOND PSALM IN THE DAY IN WHICH HE "RAISED UP JESUS AGAIN" OR IN THE DAY IN WHICH HE "RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD". IOW, whereas those who adhere to the doctrine of Jesus somehow being "eternally begotten" seek to attribute "this day" to a time in eternity past when Jesus was supposedly "eternally generated" (SELF-CONTRADICTION, as that which is ETERNAL cannot be GENERATED) or when "God begot God" (Jesus is NOT a "begotten God" or the day in which "The Father was the beginning of the Son" (Jesus is ETERNAL and therefore had no BEGINNING), the scriptures plainly teach that "this day" found its actual fulfillment IN REAL TIME approximately two thousand years ago ON THE DAY IN WHICH JESUS CHRIST WAS RAISED FROM THE DEAD (the feast of Firstfruits). Continuing on, IN CONTEXT, with the second Psalm, we read:

benalvino: lol @ijawkid if God calls Jesus God what kind of sense it makes? when the bible says there is only one God even God said it with his mouth... why should he call Jesus God. Like in Psalms 45:6-7 and Hebrews 1:8 your throne Oh God... how doesn't that shows that the father and son is God? the trinity is God is one The father son and holy spirit is God... Father the 1st person(office) son 2nd person(office) and HolySpirit 3rd(office) all three are the one GOD. that is why we cant understand God fully... he is infinite he can operate in various forms... he can be everywhere. it is simple... the father cannot call another person God when he says he is the only God. you get the point?

you said Jesus is not God but the father calls him Oh God in Hebrews and calls him God in psalm now why will the father do that?

benalvino: Titus 2:14-15
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Savior Jesus Christ; 14Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify to himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. 15These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise you.

this is one of the many verses

Dux-01:
you say Jesus is not God.Is Jesus worthy to be worshipped?

benalvino: Killed your self with contradiction..
if the angels are his begotten sons why is Jesus the only begotten son? Does it make any sense?

Dux-01:
in verse 8 of heb 1 God even calls Jesus God saying his throne is forever and ever

benalvino: Since my good friend says only begotten son proves that Jesus is created... That means the angels are his begotten sons too... Since he created them also.

Uyi Iredia: Even in the film Neo witnessed anomalies which must have convinced him of Morpheus' claims. He saw trinity leap an otherwise impossible distance, he saw her disappear before atrailer smashed the booth she was in to go back to the real world, the Smiths came after him and 'miraculously' took away his speech ability then inserted a tracer which was deactivated. Facts within the movie to convince Neo. This olodo called logicfoolishboy is now using fiction to try and convince us we are in a matrix.

foolishboy, did you hear me ? Olodo !

Did Morpheus use film to make an analogy to Neo in the Matrix or didn't Neo see actual miracles like the ones I've mentioned not to talk of the matrix simulations of the humans.

Get a life dude !

Logicboy03: You again?


What is hard there?

-There is no way to be certain that you are not living in a delusion and your real body is in a machine capsule feeding you the delusions straight into you brain.....

-There is no certainty in reality and so how can one have a belief in god with 100% certainty?

Reyginus: https://www.nairaland.com/1304822/forbes-list-american-military-bases

nlMediator: Thank you. Do you have a scripture to back your position on this? By ALL lives, do you include both spiritual and physical lives, i.e. being alive physically and being saved?

Also, I'll like to hear from others, so I can give a more comprehensive response. It's not a hard question, so I expect more answers soon.

benalvino: The bible never said Jesus have a beginning he is trying to make meaning out of something that mean completely different thing.

benalvino: Read my last post and Reuben being firstborn has nothing to do with beginning of my strenght why are you arguing this? If Reuben was his firstborn yes he is... It doesn't prove anything

benalvino: Jacob Blesses his Sons
1And Jacob called to his sons, and said, Gather yourselves together, that I may tell you that which shall befall you in the last days. 2Gather yourselves together, and hear, you sons of Jacob; and listen to Israel your father. 3Reuben, you are my firstborn, my might, and the beginning of my strength, the excellency of dignity, and the excellency of power: … you don't explain the beginning you just keep bring it the full verse in context shows the meaning I dont see what you want to make out of it. Could you explain? And why are you bringing begotten again? So the argument can go on for ever? Begginning of my strength how does it relate to firstborn? How is this related to Jesus? And is excellence of dignity also relate to firstborn? I really not getting the point you are trying to make

benalvino: I have told you all the meaning... You were the one arguing that it has one meaning at first am happy now you agree is not firstborn as in first creation. When Mary had Jesus he was her firstborn not in the preeminent perspective but the firstchild perspective. No one will tell you anything. Its you who can admit they insert other to change the meaning of the text.

Could you present a full verse and to where you having this beginning of you always put in bold?

truthislight: Another good thread on the "hell fire" topic by Frosbel:

https://www.nairaland.com/1295967/hell-go-hell-conclusion

nlMediator: I have a very simple question for ALL: Who is the Source of Life?

Itsfacts: Oh boy you are not really explaining anything. You are trying to force meaning into it. You didn't answer how Jesus created him self including every single thing in even and earth. You know other did not exist. You should be asking new world translation what is it they are hiding. And did you try to use proverb to prove Jesus was created? Cause you will make your argument look more like joke

benalvino: your problem is you don't understand what Preeminence means... It simply doesn't mean preexist as you state whereas it means Superior to or notable above all others; outstanding. See Synonyms at dominant, that is why Israel was lifted above all nation above Egypt. Same with David. If I call my last born firstborn am saying he is above my other children. I don't know what you are trying to explain but you seem not to understand the meaning

benalvino: Emmmm ijawboy so in other words you are saying pheroah firstborn is linked to Jesus? Or all the first born during that time... When the bible says kill or their first born it means kill Jesus too? You are not explaining anything. I already explain what it means I dont see anything you have to say. David was called the firstborn how do you link that to Jesus being firstborn and Israel was firstborn how do you link it to Jesus being firstborn?

Itsfacts: You are running in circles now. Just like ijawboy