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Bidam: your life get comma for this comment way you make..pls refer back to my first post..and there is nothin wrong if i copy paste..i can refer you to my pagan trinitaRIAN Website if you want the link up

are you now a trinitarian??.....confusion go soon finish you soon.....

Bidam: lemme also quote an online commentary so you will know the full import of JESUS HEAVY STATEMENT...

New Living Translation (©2007)
Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, before Abraham was even born, I Am!"

English Standard Version (©2001)
Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am."

Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009)
Jesus said to them, "I assure you: Before Abraham was, I am."

International Standard Version (©2012)
Jesus told them, "Truly, I tell all of you emphatically, before there was an Abraham, I AM!"

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
Yeshua said to them: “Timeless truth I speak to you: Before Abraham would exist, I AM THE LIVING GOD.”

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
Jesus told them, "I can guarantee this truth: Before Abraham was ever born, I am."

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

American King James Version
Jesus said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, Before Abraham was, I am.

American Standard Version
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was born, I am.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say to you, before Abraham was made, I am.

Darby Bible Translation
Jesus said to them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

English Revised Version
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Webster's Bible Translation
Jesus said to them, Verily, verily, I say to you, Before Abraham was, I am.

Weymouth New Testament
"In most solemn truth," answered Jesus, "I tell you that before Abraham came into existence, I am."

World English Bible
Jesus said to them, "Most certainly, I tell you, before Abraham came into existence, I AM."

Young's Literal Translation
Jesus said to them, 'Verily, verily, I say to you, Before Abraham's coming -- I am;'


Barnes' Notes on the Bible
Verily, verily - This is an expression used only in John. It is a strong affirmation denoting particularly the great importance of what was about to be affirmed. See the notes at John 3:5.

Before Abraham was - Before Abraham lived.

[b]I am - The expression I am, though in the present tense, is clearly designed to refer to a past time. Thus, in Psalm 90:2, "From everlasting to everlasting thou art God." Applied to God, it denotes continued existence without respect to time, so far as he is concerned. We divide time into the past, the present, and the future. The expression, applied to God, denotes that he does not measure his existence in this manner, but that the word by which we express the present denotes his continued and unchanging existence. Hence, he assumes it as his name, "I AM," and "I AM that I AM," Exodus 3:14. Compare Isaiah 44:6; Isaiah 47:8. There is a remarkable similarity between the expression employed by Jesus in this place and that used in Exodus to denote the name of God. The manner in which Jesus used it would strikingly suggest the application of the same language to God. The question here was about his pre-existence. The objection of the Jews was that he was not 50 years old, and could not, therefore, have seen Abraham. Jesus replied to that that he existed before Abraham. As in his human nature he was not yet 50 years old, and could not, as a man, have existed before Abraham, this declaration must be referred to another nature; and the passage proves that, while he was a man, he was also endowed with another nature existing before Abraham, and to which he applied the term (familiar to the Jews as expressive of the existence of God) I AM; and this declaration corresponds to the affirmation of John Joh 1:1, that he was in the beginning with God, and was God. This affirmation of Jesus is one of the proofs on which John relies to prove that he was the Messiah John 20:31, to establish which was the design of writing this book.

Clarke's Commentary on the Bible
Before Abraham was, I am - The following is a literal translation of Calmet's note on this passage: - "I am from all eternity. I have existed before all ages. You consider in me only the person who speaks to you, and who has appeared to you within a particular time. But besides this human nature, which ye think ye know, there is in me a Divine and eternal nature. Both, united, subsist together in my person. Abraham knew how to distinguish them. He adored me as his God; and desired me as his Savior. He has seen me in my eternity, and he predicted my coming into the world." On the same verse Bishop Pearce speaks as follows: - "What Jesus here says relates (I think) to his existence antecedent to Abraham's days, and not to his having been the Christ appointed and foretold before that time; for, if Jesus had meant this, the answer I apprehend would not have been a pertinent one. He might have been appointed and foretold for the Christ; but if he had not had an existence before Abraham's days, neither could he have seen Abraham, (as, according to our English translation, the Jews suppose him to have said), nor could Abraham have seen him, as I suppose the Jews understood him to have said in the preceding verse, to which words of the Jews the words of Jesus here are intended as an answer."



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thanks for the copy and paste job...you do well

now lets analyze the greek word that was used there in john 8:58 and compare it with one or 2 places where it occured....

the greek word used in that verse was " Ego eimi".......
this word was used often in the book John....
example::::
1.....john 4:25-26
25 The woman said, “I know that Messiah” (called Christ) “is coming. When he comes, he will explain everything to us.”

26 Then Jesus declared, “I, the one speaking to you—I am he.”( ego eimi)....

2....john 18:5-6
International Standard Version (©2012)
5..They answered him, "Jesus from Nazareth." Jesus told them, "I AM."( ego eimi) Judas, the man who betrayed him, was standing with them.6.When Jesus told them,"I AM," they backed away and fell to the ground.

3....john 9:9....
American King James Version
Some said, This is he: others said, He is like him: but he said, I am he( ego eimi).

the blind man Jesus healed identified himself as ""I AM"( ego eimi).....

In the Greek Septuagint, the actual divine name given to Moses was not simply, "ego eim ," but was rather, "ego eimi ho on which means "I am the being" or "I am the existence" or "I am the existent one" or some similar concept. The divine name was not simply the two words ego eimi as Trinitarians/modalism adherents (like bidam) suggestively imply.......

only frauds would wrench john 8:58 to mean that Jesus implied he was Yahweh and then neglect the other places where the greek word "ego eim" was used for Jesus and other persons to mean some other thing ......smh...

@bidam.....i hope the blind man Jesus healed was also Yahweh??




learn to read and understand the bible and not just copy and paste write ups from online.....


meanwhile i should remind you that any angel in heaven could have also used the expression ""I AM"" if they were Jesus' shoes....you might ask me why

plappville: I AM DON TURN ANOTHER MEANING FOR BIBLE...OOOOO...

him dey copy and paste...i wan debunk am so hard wey be say him no go know which doctrine to choose between modalism and trinity....

Bidam: who is writing hog wash to prove a little point? you no well at all after giving you the greek text of the meaning of "I AM"...you are here vomiting nonsense...go and make research on those words and stop deluding yourself..do you think the jews are angry and want to stone Jesus because Jesus claimed to be the messiah you did not get the import of what He was saying at all.listen ijawkiddy, Jesus was unlike Abraham since the latter was brought into existence whereas Christ always was. This is brought out more clearly in the Greek verbs John uses to contrast Abraham's origins with the timeless existence of Christ, namely genesthai and eimi:

the Jews(pharisees) never accepted Jesus as the promised messiah.......Jesus existed before abraham does not make him Yahweh or an equal to Yahweh......Christ also was brought into existence by the father,...have you forgotten so quick??.....Jesus' life was kick started by Yahweh.....get that into your head.....

john 6:57
57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me
.....Jesus exists and live because of the father........because we dont know when exactly Jesus came into existence in no way negates the fact that he had a bbeginning........again jesus rightly told the pharisees that before abraham was "I AM"........he existed before abraham....

Bidam: ... the aorist genesthai 'came into being,' used of Abraham, is contrasted with the present eimi, which can express duration up to the present, 'I have been <and still am>' as well as the simple present, 'I am.' Jesus claims that his mode of existence transcends time, like God's, and his I am is understood by the Jews as a claim to equality with God...
don't forget false prophets exist even before Jesus came on the scene, so who was JESUS to make such claim. lemme quote the whole scripture once again but this time from verse 54..so that it will sink into your thick skull what Jesus meant..If you were there you will stone Him just like you dey stone me with words now.. John 8:54-58
John 8:54-58
New International Version (NIV)
54 Jesus replied, “If I glorify myself, my glory means nothing. My Father, whom you claim as your God, is the one who glorifies me. 55 Though you do not know him, I know him. If I said I did not, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and obey his word. 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.”

57 “You are not yet fifty years old,” they said to him, “and you have seen Abraham!”

58 “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”imagine your Yaweh glorifying JESUS...selah on this

there goes the disingenuous BIDAM....do you remember when i quoted acts 3:13 for you to read??....your brain did not send a signal that Jesus was glorified by his father....now that you are so desperate to soread falsehood you remembered Yahweh glorified his son,...

please let me remind you again of acts 3:13

New International Version (©1984)
The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified his servant Jesus. You handed him over to be killed, and you disowned him before Pilate, though he had decided to let him go.

New Living Translation (©2007)
For it is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob--the God of all our ancestors--who has brought glory to his servant Jesus by doing this. This is the same Jesus whom you handed over and rejected before Pilate, despite Pilate's decision to release him.



do you agree Jesus is Gods servant??talking about glorification,Yahweh glorifies any of his servants or sons provided the glorify him....and in this context jesus said his own self glorification means nothing(i wonder why the professed almighty god would say this),until the glory comes from the father ...

join me in reading this scripture that would totally debunk your post...

1 samuel 2:30
Douay-Rheims Bible
Wherefore thus saith the Lord the God of Israel: I said indeed that thy house, and the house of thy father should minister in my sight, for ever. But now saith the Lord: Far be this from me: but whosoever shall glorify me, him will I glorify: but they that despise me, shall be despised.


God glorifies anybody(his servants)......so Jesus being glorified by Yahweh shows one thing::::: that Jesus was indeed the holy servant of GOD and God confirmed it.....

i know you must be shaking your head......i would debunk you till you have no where to hide

Zikkyy: stop disturbing me jor have told you already. who says you can't smoke or sniff your medicine just as long as the medicine works. if the medicinal effect can be achieved by smoking or sniffing, then the act of smoking or sniffing is not wrong. what is wrong is why you decided to sniff or smoke.

Smh!!!!!!..........have you seen persons who smoke ,smoke because they are sick and they want a cure??..............so you would encourage the sniffing of cocaine.......??....eh zikky??.........

What i should be hearing you say is that these hard drugs should be taken by christians for only medical reasons and under strict prescription ............we know why the majority of persons take cocaine,smoke igbo,smoke haze,etc......don't act like you don't know.........I wonder what christianity would turn into in the next 100 years with persons like your type.................madness!!!!!.....

Joagbaje: Death is an enemy of God, death is also a spirit. What I understand by this is that death itself and the occupants of hell will be thrown into the lake of fire

Oboy wetin you dey yarn??.......

DanielNoble: Isaiah 9:6 nko? The people couldnt accept him as the son how much God? If he said he is God it could have spoiled the Faith walk cos the people were so into the Law and spiritually empty.

So Jesus was afraid to tell the Jews he was the God of isaac and Jacob there fore-fathers??...........smh!!!!!...........

Jesus truthfully told them who he was.....the son of man,the son of the LIVING GOD and also the holy servant of GOD.....

Bidam: you are acting delusional..who is a pharasee here? You are cos you don't want to admit the deity of Christ..in terms of age you say? Do you know the age of Christ? Christ existed before moses, abraham, enoch, methuselah and even the First Man Adam...Do you know what that means? Is He an angel, a servant(like you said)? When was He Created? Please Selah on these...[color=#990000] .

Hehehehe.....I don get you well well...........what deity of Christ again??.......the only 1 true GOD is the Father and the Father alone and not the son nor a combo of the Father and the son............what leads to eternal life is knowing the only true GOD(Yahweh) and his son(Jesus) whom he(Yahweh) sent............chikena...........your deity issue is not necessary for eternal life.........
I don't know the age of Jesus Christ.....the bible didn't mention the date Jesus was born.......Jesus spent aeons of years with his Father in the heavens before descending to the earth as a man.............Jesus pre-existed as Gods firstborn son,Gods servant(as a spirit),Gods messenger before he was sent to the earth.............so Jesus rightly could open his mouth and tell the obstinate pharisees that before abraham was he existed..........I believe now you are clear with the fact that Jesus only telling the pharisees he existed before abraham and not claiming to be an equal to GOD his Father......
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If you're still confused with the use of the expression ""I AM"" please read john 14:28 and tell me how you would explain the I AM that is used by Jesus.......


GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
You heard me tell you, 'I'm going away, but
I'm coming back to you.' If you loved me, you
would be glad that I'm going to the Father,
because the Father is greater than I am.
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Expanded Bible (EXB)
28 You heard me say to you, ‘I am going, but I
am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you
should ·be happy [rejoice] that I am going back
to the Father, because he is greater than I am.


Please explain what the expression I AM connotes in that verse and tell me why Jesus who is the professed ""I AM" in exodus as you and your ilks claim is lesser than the FATHER..........(Yahweh greater than Jesus = Jesus lesser than Yahweh)......

CHIKENAAAA,!!!!!!!.......

Bidam: the phrase "I AM" is used 72 times in the Hebrew Bible by a number of Prophets including David, Moses, etc.

When used of Yahweh it implies two things. First, it implies that Yahweh is a timeless Being, that Israel's God is eternal.Secondly, it implies that Yahweh will do as he pleases since he has the infinite power to accomplish all that he wills with none to resist him. In other words, Yahweh is sovereign over all things and all things subsist in him.

In order to establish the case that Jesus was claiming to be Yahweh, we must see in what matter does Jesus use the phrase. Does he use it to imply timeless existence and sovereignty? Or did he use it to simply identify himself as the person whom others were seeking much like the blind man of John 9:9 did when asked if he were the one healed by Jesus?

Fortunately, we don't have to look far to find the answer to our question since the answer is there in John 8:58. Jesus' usage of the phrase is to contrast Abraham's beginning with his lack of beginning. In others, Jesus was unlike Abraham since the latter was brought into existence whereas Christ always was. This is brought out more clearly in the Greek verbs John uses to contrast Abraham's origins with the timeless existence of Christ, namely genesthai and eimi:

"... the aorist genesthai 'came into being,' used of Abraham, is contrasted with the present eimi, which can express duration up to the present, 'I have been <and still am>' as well as the simple present, 'I am.' Jesus claims that his mode of existence transcends time, like God's, and his I am is understood by the Jews as a claim to equality with God.

Bidam how would this rendering sound??....

Before abraham existed ""WILL BE".....

Would Jesus be making any sense if he said that??.....................

Zikkyy: I don't know. can't speak for others. the reason why i prefer to focus on the act itself. If you say smoking marijuana and cocaine for the purpose of getting high and doing rubbish is wrong, i will agree with you. but if you say smoking marijuana and cocaine is wrong, i am very likely to disagree. i want to believe you noticed the difference

Oya try to find out why people smoke marijuana....find another reason(good reason) if there is other than people getting high and tell all of us.......its your job now to tell me the merits of smoking marijuana...if you can't then smoking of that substance is bad.........prove me wrong.....remember my focus is on smoking.......

Zikkyy: e no concern you

U dey smoke the heroine now??.......answer me make I use bible nack ya head now........

Zikkyy: it's difficult to say where you were heading to. There was no way i would have known if you were condemning the idea of taking cocaine or condemning it for the purpose of getting high and doing rubbish. That was why i asked my question, but you were not sure what my motive was so you decided your best response was to dodge the question.

Smokers of marijunana have just one or two reasons for smoking........and those reasons are worthless..........if I am wrong prove me wrong................

Bidam: John 8:58:

"Jesus said to them: 'Most truly I say to you, Before Abraham came into existence, I AM (prin Abraam genesthai
ego eimi)."


This passage is perhaps one of the strongest affirmations to the Deity of Christ, and yet one of the most controversial as well.


"God said to Moses, 'I AM WHO I AM (ehyeh asher ehyeh). This is what you are to say to the Israelites: I AM has
sent me to you.'" NIV

Hence, Jesus' I AM statements seemingly identify him with the I AM of Exodus, Yahweh God. If this is the case, this would
affirm that Jesus explicitly claimed to be Yahweh God.

However, not all agree that Jesus' I AM statements are direct claims to Yahweh. This is based primarily on the fact that the
phrase "I AM WHO I AM" can legitimately be translated as "I WILL BE WHAT I WILL BE." This is due to the verb from
which the phrase stems.

The Hebrew phrase ehyeh asher ehyeh is derived from the verb hayah, "will be." It is often given the following meanings in
standard Hebrew Dictionaries: "was, come to pass, came, has been, has happened, become, pertained, better for thee."

Other meanings include:

1.to be, become, come to pass, exist, happen, fall out

1a) to happen, fall out, occur, take place, come about, come to pass

1b) to come about, come to pass

2) to come into being, become

2a) to arise, appear, come

2b) to become

2b1) to become

2b3) to be instituted, be established

3) to be

3a) to exist, be in existence

3b) to abide, remain, continue (with word of place or time)

3c) to stand, lie, be in, be at, be situated (with word of locality)

3d) to accompany, be with "

Furthermore, the phrase "I AM" is used 72 times in the Hebrew Bible by a number of Prophets including David, Moses, etc.

When used of Yahweh it implies two things. First, it implies that Yahweh is a timeless Being, that Israel's God is eternal.Secondly, it implies that Yahweh will do as he pleases since he has the infinite power to accomplish all that he wills with none to resist him. In other words, Yahweh is sovereign over all things and all things subsist in him.

In order to establish the case that Jesus was claiming to be Yahweh, we must see in what matter does Jesus use the phrase. Does he use it to imply timeless existence and sovereignty? Or did he use it to simply identify himself as the person whom others were seeking much like the blind man of John 9:9 did when asked if he were the one healed by Jesus?

Fortunately, we don't have to look far to find the answer to our question since the answer is there in John 8:58. Jesus' usage of the phrase is to contrast Abraham's beginning with his lack of beginning. In others, Jesus was unlike Abraham since the latter was brought into existence whereas Christ always was. This is brought out more clearly in the Greek verbs John uses to contrast Abraham's origins with the timeless existence of Christ, namely genesthai and eimi:


... the aorist genesthai 'came into being,' used of Abraham, is contrasted with the present eimi, which can express duration up to the present, 'I have been <and still am>' as well as the simple present, 'I am.' Jesus claims that his mode of existence transcends time, like God's, and his I am is understood by the Jews as a claim to equality with God...

Jesus' answer was in terms of age........stop writing all this hogwash to prove a little point...........and Gods name is not ""I AM""............God told moses his name in the next verse of that exodus you quoted..........the tetragrammaton was not mentioned in that john 8:58........the pharisees were asking how he could know so much about abraham (when he wasn't even up to 50 year)s and then there question that was directed to Jesus was as regards how long Jesus had existed(age)............and Jesus told them he existed before abraham(I AM)...........I agree Jesus existed before abraham,but those words of Jesus never connotes he is the same with God...only one who has no where to run to would look at that scripture and misconstrue Jesus" words.....

You yourself was able to confirm that the words I AM THAT I AM used in exodus could also be rendered as "I WILL BE WHAT I WILL BE."..........."" WILL BE"".........

Imagine if we use the expression ""WILL BE"" in place of ""I AM"" in john 8:58 how would it sound??.......

before abraham was ""WILL BE""........

How does that sound to your ears??............does it tally with the expression ""I AM".........................

Besides the tetragrammaton YHWH was used in exodus,was it used in john 8:58??...........

Jesus only made the pharisees know that he existed before abraham....chikena.......

BIDAM stop thinking like the pharisees who misconstrue Jesus' words so as to reject him as the messiah...........if the pharisees had gone back to the books of the prophets and psalms they would have known that Jesus existed before abraham and all of them......but they were poor bible students.......don't be like the pharisees my brother...........

Zikkyy: This is a response to the issues of self control and not just 'hard' drug. There are other activities that makes you lose self-control (that is if i understand what you guys meant by self-control). The fact that it makes you lose self control is not the issue. I believe what you want to achieve with it should be the focus. I had an operation a long time ago, and i was being treated with (controlled doses) of heroine related drugs (according to the nurse). I was always high anytime the drug was administered. I bet you will call me pagan for getting high

Naaaa I won't call you a pagan for getting high because you were on heroine for medical reasons(besides the use of heroine for medical reasons didn't spring from paganism unlike tattoo).....you were given under prescriptive measures to heal your wound......and after your wound got healed I bet you stopped taking heroine............if after your wound got healed you started smoking heroine day and night then I would have to show you the scriptures to allign ya brains.................abi you still dey take the heroine??......

Zikkyy: Again it depends on what you want to achieve with it. afterall it's God that made everything for our use Lol!

What do smokers of marijuana plan to achieve??...........answer me.......think of just one thing....

Zikkyy: No i have not. am trying to give your argument a direction. so you just don't post for posting sake.

I earlier had directed my arguments.....................you were the one acting like you didn't know where we were heading to.........

Zikkyy: am not saying anything is good or bad. even swallowing it or cooking soup with it could be good or bad. What the guy trying to achieve with it should be a concern to me, not the act itself.

What does a smoker of marijuana or cocaine plan to achieve if not just to get high and do rubbish...........is there any other reason why people smoke??...............eh??.............

Zikkyy: you never ready



D

I ready,na you no serious.......

plappville: Check the other thread... Christ the head. @frosbel has debunked this alread. I wonder why you should use I AM as to validate Jesus being God..no connection at all. I am Plappville, i am Bidam, I am etc etc.. So anyone that say i am. Is authomatically Yahweh?? Please i will reqoute myself.

Bidam is trying to tell us that if he goes for an interview and the interviewer picks up his CV and in the process of trying to confirm who BIDAM is he ask

Interviewer::: are you BIDAM??

BIDAM:: YES ""I AM"
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BIDAM automatically becomes YAHweh for using the expression ""I AM"........

Ona dey hear am??.......

frosbel: according to our expert theologians on Nairaland, the dead will be dying for all eternity and death itself will never be swallowed up in final victory.

Help me out with the below.

"he will swallow up death forever. The Sovereign LORD will wipe away the tears from all faces; he will remove the disgrace of his people from all the earth. The LORD has spoken." - Isaiah 25:8

1 Corinthians 15:54
Expanded Bible (EXB)
54 So when this body that ·can be destroyed [is perishable/corruptible] will clothe itself with that which ·can never be destroyed [is imperishable/incorruptible], and this ·body that dies [L mortal] will clothe itself with ·that which can never die [immortality], then this Scripture will ·be made true [come to pass]:

“Death is ·destroyed forever [L swallowed up] in victory [Is. 25:8].”

obadiah777: AHHH I SEE. THEY MUST BE HIGH ON INCENSE FUMES

lmao..... .........obadiah ooooooooo.....you don craze finish....

Zikkyy: you don find liver to talk now that you know my motive abi smoking it does not change the medicinal benefit. anyhow you want to take it, as long as it does the job.

are u saying smoking it is good??......eh zikky?/...........how can you smoke marijuana and claim is for health reasons...??....zikky you really need help/....

Zikkyy: begin list na. Don't forget to do the same for cocaine o!

na you go list.......lets compare.......

obadiah777: BUT HOW CAN 'HELL' BE THROWN IN THE LAKE OF FIRE. IS 'HELL' A PERSONS NAME ? LOL. HELP ME OUT HERE. YOU MAY HAVE A POINT THOUGH. THERE ARE A BUNCH OF FELLAS RUNNING AROUND IN AMERICA CALLING THEMSELVES 'HELLS ANGELS'. MAYBE THAT CULT OF VAGABOND IS WHO WILL BE THROWN IN THE LAKE OF FIRE

lol............the eternal torment advocates insist that death and hell would be literally tormented day and night..... ....

Zikkyy: It's a simple matter. below is the post i was responding to:



I see people make statement like taking cocaine or marijuana is bad. These substances also have medicinal benefits. How it is used (for what purpose) determines whether it is bad or not. You might as well say the use of any other drugs is evil or sin as well. For me the focus should be on the purpose/motive of the user. I was expecting the man to provide more details on what he meant by marijuana and cocaine being un-scriptural. The man has been avoiding me since

did you not hear me say smoking??...eh zikky??.......what are the benefits of smoking marijuana??.......and can we list the benefits and disadvantages of taking in marijuana??list them and contrast

enilove: Ijawkid -This you assumption can lead people away from Christianity.It can make people to think that there is no God .You following the doctrine of the devil and you have to be very very careful,so that on the day of judgement Jesus will not tell you that you are on your own.
You tend to abandon written and direct word of God and you are following what some Pastors have told you in the past.
God is a spirit and the angels are spirit beings,the devil is a spirit too.By spirit does not mean they do not have physical bodies.Their physical bodies are heavenly bodies.Every human beign is a spirit inside earthly body.
The fact that God is a spirit does not mean that He does not have a throne.If you belief Jesus Christ word in Rev.1:8 ,why cant you believe what he said about his throne and also that he has God,also that his God has throne .There too many countless number of places where Jesus and apostles tells of Father in heaven.You have also read that God gave Jesus christ name that is above all name.
We have explained also to you that God,Almighty,Alpha,Omega,Lord etc are titles.
When Jesus christ in Rev 1:11 said he is the Alpha and Omega,John turned to look at who was talking and said in verse 13 that the one looks like the SON OF MAN. Matt 11:19,12:8 etc Jesus called himself son man man.God the father of Jesus never came in the human flesh and can never be called son of man as John refers here.
The same Jesus said in chapter 3 verse 14 that he is the bigining of the creation of God,and verse 11 Jesus also said "the temple of my "verse 12 also, Jesus said "I will write upon him the name of my God. Jesus is telling that ,despite his title Alpha and Omega ,he has God the father and that Jesus is the first of Gods creation.This you can also see in proverb 8:22 which reads"The lord possessed me in the biginning of his way,before his works of old.23, "I was set up from everlasting ,from the biginning or ever the earth was.

What does it mean to possess ( verse 22), it means to controll,to influence,to have something,to have and hold as property,to seize and take control of.
Jesus said as above he belongs to God Almighty.If you read futher you will see it written.
Rev 1:verse 18 where Jesus called himself "the first and the last ,he said AM HE THAT LIVETH,AND WAS DEAD,AND BEHOLD AM,I AM ALIVE FOR EVERMORE.
Note the word "was dead".God the father did not die at any time ,only Jesus christ died for our sins. For God so love the world that He gave His........,John 3:16.
It is not written "that he gave himself".
Rev Chapter 4:2 "And immediately I was in d spirit:and behold ,a throne was set in heaven,and one sat on the throne(but you said God does not have a throne) verse 4 reads "And round about d throne were four and twenty seats :and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting ,clothed in white raiment.............in verse 8 it reads Holy holy holy Lord God Almighty ,which was ,and is,and is to come(not that was dead).
Then in Chapter 5 :1 And I saw in the rught hand of him that sat on the throne a book : written within.............in Verse 5 says " weep not :behold ,the lion of the tribe of Judah the root of David ,hath prevailed to open the book.
Jesus is from the root of David .The blind barthemeus cried " Jesus son of David help me".
Because he came and died for us because of our sins :Jesus has 3 stages in his life
1-when God first created him even b4 God created anything else.
2-When Adam and eve sinned and God, out, of His love for us ,Jesus was sent down to come and die for our sin.( not God the Father )
3- Now in heaven to live for evermore.
These 3 stages are with biblical references which have been given earlier.
Instead of God the father to come down and die for us He would instead destroy mankind and start with newly created set of people.But that would mean that God failed and satan would have achieved his aim.
There is no reconcilliation for the angels and the devil.God chose to forgive us the sins Adam and Eve commited because they were deceived.But God did not make a way of reconcilliation for the angels because they chose to sin willingly.So the devil and the falling angels who are now demons would do everything to take as many people as willingly decide to follow other religion other than acceoting the Lord Jesus Christ and repent.
God wanted ti destroy the world before.He also wanted to destroy the Israelites before.And has said there is a set day for the end of the world.
God the father can never die ,so please stop this satanic message ,read your bible and stop this your satanic theory .Jesus christ told us he has a father,so believe him.
Some people are going to hell by accepting that God does not exist and some have been directed by satan in a wrong direction or religion,worshipping idol in a house thinking they are serving God.
we will give account of whatever thing we write,say or behave that leads others astray.

Stay blessed.

Eni are you mistaking me for BIDAM........??..........na BIDAm you suppose arrest not me o....we are on the same path.......

Zikkyy: My conscience tells me there are no issues with marijuana and cocaine. Its the reason i asked that question. cos it appears you have issues with the idea of smoking marijuana and cocaine.

Smh!!!!...........why would you smoke marijuana or cocaine.....give me one reason and then the scriptures can answer your question.........sometimes I think you're joking........you're a JOKE

Mr_Anony: Then we have a big problem on our hands.

Perhaps you can start by telling me why would a person snort a line of coke other than getting high? What other purpose is there to sniff cocaine?

Help me ask mr zikky.........

Zikkyy: Where? is it this one below:



or this one:




you people need to define what you mean by self-control cos i don't know what you guys mean by that word o! we all know that there are a lot of things that makes people lose 'self-control' (whatever that means), even when Mr. Anony is doing his thing with his madam, there is that point in the process when the man looses 'self-control' is that one evil as well? go to pastor chris embassy and see people loosing self-control anytime their body cross path with oyaks shadow is that one evil? people can lose self control when they are sick. you can see you have not answered my question. am expecting a proper answer from you abeg

Remember you wanna focus on the taking of hard drugs ...............what has oyaks got to do with this discussion??............do the persons who loose control in christ embassy(when oyaks shadow crosses path with there bodies) do that as a result of there taking hard drugs??........I want you to tell me from the scriptures how the smoking of marijuana and ganja upbuilds a christian or pleases GOD..................stop acting like you don't know what is right or wrong.........have you lost your bible trained conscience??........

Zikkyy: Where?

you didnt read when he connected the fruit of self control with taking hard drugs??....u no see am??

Zikkyy: now you are saying zikkyy smoke grass and sniff cocaine just to avoid my question

you dey sound like person wey dey smoke haze... ....if not i see no reason why you would ask me the irrelevant question you asked.........if logicboy or some pagan 9ja was asking this question i wouldnt have been bothered

Zikkyy: ...and you dey fear to answer you see yourself

i no dey fear...your question too yeye.....even your conscience go answer that question for you....

advocate666: have a look at the emblem again and tell me if that is Jizz-Us you see holding a fork.

lmao

Mr_Anony: At this point I'll let you be. We have nothing left to argue. If the olympics are sin to you because of their origin, then I don't see how tattoos won't be sin to you because of it's history. Just remember that we too who were once sinners but are now sanctified, our origin has also not changed. May God have mercy on us all.

our origins have changed in that we have abandoned our former ways of life(become totally new persons) and stuck to the scriptures..........tattoos remain what they were and what they stand for (even if many today say that they are having tattoos just for fun and not for the sake of following pagan practices)......if these persons really had there minds renewed in the first place the having of tattoos would not come into there mind.........

phillipians 4:8-9

Philippians 4:8-9
King James Version (KJV)
8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are[b] pure[/b], whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.

9 Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you.


anybody wey like make him do tattooo na him sabi.......

Zikkyy: you see yourself always making accusations you cannot defend now you are looking to Mr Anony to rescue you.

I'm not looking for anony to rescue me......he has answered your question via precept upon precept......abi that answer no do you??.............

Zikkyy: There are no claim of servig God with marijuana & cocaine. All that's required from you is to tell me what's wrong with smoking marijuana and cocaine. you do begin fear? abeg answer my question so people can see you don't know what you are talking about

Anony has answered that question...........and no dey ask me question wey you knw biblical answers to...........I have noticed engaging in your selfish desires has taken first place,while scriptural principles have gone to the back ground...............and I know what I'm talking about.....

Mr_Anony: Lol, I still await your verdict on olympic sport. Is it unacceptable in the eyes of God?

It still remains what it is........PAGAN.........I guess you know how much God frowns at paganism......

Mr_Anony: I don't have to show the bible specifically mention cocaine. All I have to show is that the Holy Spirit is a Spirit of Self-Control. As long as hard drugs make a person lose self-control, they are evil.

Lol.............and I also showed you what the spirit of self control would help a servant of God do and not do............if any servant of God has self control he/she would not opt to adopt a pagan practice...........abi the holy spirit nor teach you that one.....it surprises me you are using scriptural principles to show that the intake(smoking) of marijuana is bad,but would refutes scriptural principles against having tattoos..........

Mr_Anony: I see no way that tattoos contradict any of the fruit of the Spirit

The self control you've been all about squashes having tattoos..........

Mr_Anony: Point of correction: tattooing was a pagan practice. The olympics too was a pagan practice. Today one can have a tattoo or throw a javelin or run a 100m race without any paganism. Where is the sin in it since it is not done in honour of an idol?

Tattoos still remains a pagan custom....the origin has not changed..................and so also the olympics.....u don hear??.........no matter how you try to white wash pagan practices the truth will still stand...........

Zikkyy: abeg answer my question jor Cheneke no dey for this matter

I no go answer your question....anony go answer am for you.............