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i.chuka:
And who,s Isaiah referring to in ISAIAH9>6 as the EVERLASTING/ENTERNAL FATHER?

Isaiah was reffering to Jesus........what you should be asking is :::......what does Jesus being called eternal Father mean ??..........remember he would be called......Jesus would play a role......find out how he would........it seems you've been running away from the other trinity threads so that you can keep asking this same answered questions.....

[quote author=i.chuka][/quote]Hmmm......the titles Father and son is just for the GOD head arrangement??.....what rubbish!!!!!............ Je§us remains a son not just because of your aCclaimed GODhead arrangement,but because he is the son of GOD.....a subordinate......a progeny of the almighty........Jesus right from his pre-existence has always been GODs servant......and will be forever......

@logicboy.....i might just be ready to share my nysc allowee with you........ ......anything you see you go take

obadiah777: ok i am just messing around lolz

lol....you forgot to walking stick to the list...very important..lol...

i.chuka:
So whats your own understanding with the tittle FATHER and SON in relationship with GOD in Heaven

look at your Father who begot you,i think you can find an answer to your question.....


i"ll love it if you focus more on the relationship between GOD and his worshipper(Jesus)??the FATHER is the GOD of JESUS...focus on that

i.chuka:
SO you are trying to say there are two GOD abi(greater and a lesser GOD)
While the Bible called HIM God...Ish9>6,JHN1>1.
Job in the OT knew HIM as GOD..Job19>25-27.
Thomas said to HIM,MY LORD and GOD..Jhn20<28.

..... Jesus said that The FAther is greater than him,.......why cant you just accept this truth and move on.....??....YAHWEH>>JESUS>>MAN..Jesus is less than his GOD and FATHER just as we are lesser than JESUS ........the scriptures you put up there in no way suggests there are 2 gods or some acclaimed co equal with GOD.....there is only one true God,and that is the Father...it is this God Jesus himself worships...it is this God that we all(including Jesus) are image of........listen O i-chuka " YAHWEH OUR GOD IS ONE YAHWEH" .....

stick to the one GOD the FATHER....
1 corinthians 8:6
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New International Version (©1984)
yet for us there is[b] but one God, the Father[/b], from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.
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New Living Translation (©2007)
But we know that there is only one God, the Father, who created everything, and we live for him. And there is only one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom God made everything and through whom we have been given life.
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ephesians 4:6


New International Version (©1984)
one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

New Living Translation (©2007)
and one God and Father, who is over all and in all and living through all


my brother the only GOD i know and worship is the FATHER,...the same GOD and FATHER of Jesus....

musKeeto: Stryktlymi will be like

' Good evening sir,

In as much as we do not share same beliefs, I'd like you to know I empathize with your situation and hope I can help you in any way I can

'

FxKing2012 will be like

' Yeah, that's good.. The curse God placed on you had begun to work. Repent and change your ways, fool (not me but the Bible)'

Goshen360: 'ah, my runnerup, u don broke? Heheehe, come yankee, I fit hook you up, u know as we dey do am na'

Truthislight: 'logicboy, broke? Hmmm, not my concern'

Image123 will post a bible verse.

JeSoul will move your thread to general section.

Pagan9ja will send you some cash.. Just send frosbel as sacrifice..

Hahahahaha....you really got striktlymi......lol....the guy sabi greet person eh......I like that about him......

Bidam: oga pls..reread my post again..that is wat i have been shouting tru out dis thread..i never said Jesus is greater than God na..even Jesus said a servant can only be like His master and not greater..hope u get the gist! U can't expect my views and ur views to be in the same literal translation na..abi? There are multiplicity of gifts but it is the SAME SPIRIT..the way i look @ a scripture should be different from yours..dats the multidimensional wisdom of God..but you guys dnt seem to gerrit..all you are intrested is in doctrinal debate..and dat to me is not MATURITY.

We've not heard you say CHRIST is[b]lesser[/b] than GOD....have you??......say it and let us move on........that's the truth we want you to spread rather than dwell on "" CHRIST is equal with his GOD and FATHER"" which is a fraud...........don't act like you don't know what truth we want you to uphold....

Bidam: you have a one sided view of scripture..try looking @ the whole picture...am not runnin away bro...i don't have the luxury of being on the internet 24/7.. A man got to work in order to eat na.. I dropped u a meat u dey complain..shey na milk u wan drink abi? Some verses of scriptures can have a dual meaning or more..hence serving the purpose and context from which it was drawn..based on my understanding of the "head of Christ is God" it means Christ is the express image of God..that was why i quoted col 2:9..but e bi like say u get your own interpretation abi? Since u refuse to compare scripture with scripture..i don't think u will get a clear view of wat we are talkin about here.

From your understanding GOD being head of CHRIST means Christ is the express image of GOD abi??.....please how about CHRIST being the head of MAN??.....

1 corinthians 11:3 is as clear as day for any sincere person to understand completely.......if you like have dual meanings there is no way Christ is equal to his GOD and Father......that is the koko here...........
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Besides boomark gave a good definition of the term ""GODhead"" from the scriptures which you should peruse well......

You forgot to add these words to obadiah777's reply::::........YOU BELLIGERENT and CANTANKEROUS HEATHEN..............YOU'RE GONNA GET NUKED IN A THERMONUCLEAR FURNACE...

musKeeto: Heineken lokpobiri abi?....

You knows naaa.......lol.....that guy wey being thief for bayelsa..........

Logicboy03: I'm from delta not Ijaw

Deltans are IJAWs too............infact we all make up the IZON nation....

Logicboy03: Na only Ijaw person go wan meet inside river.....una be fish?

YES ke............we are all fishes.........you na ijaw man too na...u suppose know......

plaetton: Should I be packing heat, just in case Frosbel decides to organise a lynch mob for Trinitarians, JWs, Catholics and atheists?

Lol..........that won't happen.......its just gonna be a heineken gathering........"Lol.....

Anony let's all meet somewhere at the middle of 9ja and the UK..............erm...let's say at the atlantic....lol....

I hope to be in the UK when arrangements are made...........

Just throw a C-4 on that tree and the guy would rush down ASAP.........olodo rabata....

The FG caused this.......when you neglect persons or communities on whose lands you're drilling OIL this is the end result...........there are so many points along the creeks in bayelsa where such illegal refining of crude is carried out.....smh!!!!.........

i.chuka:
Philippians Chapter 2

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be EQUAL with God:
e•qual
/ˈēkwəl/AdjectiveBeing the SAME in QUANTITY, SIZE, DEGREE, or VALUE.


NounA PERSON or thing considered to be the SAME as another in STATUS or QUALITY.

So Christ being EQUAL with GOD smply meant HE had the SAME STATUS and QUALITY with God.
I believe you can do the math of the Supremecy of Christ in respect to HIS Divinity.

I gues§ you are infering that we imitate CHRIST who thought it not""rÓbbery" to be equal to GOD abi??.............that staemeÑt contradicts the lesson we are to learn from CHRIST.......in other words like CHRIST we should take it as our right to be equal with GOD..........?? Not so??...........that scripture in no way suggests that Christ is equal to his GOD and Father no matter how the KJV spuriously renders it.............you are telling us CHRIST was like satan and eve who thought it not robbery to be equal to GOD ........lol........smh!!!!!..........get yourself a translation that renders that verse correctly.........

It is beÇause of myopiÇ persons like you that CHRIST clearly said at john 14:28 that the "FÀther" is greater than I am........CHRIST existing in GODs form does not make him equal to GOD..........I exist in the form of ADAM does not in anyway make me equal to ADaM or that I'm adam......just as being the image of GOD in no way makes me equal to GOD.......you forget that the Father is the only person who can't exist in the form of GOD or be the image of GOD because he is that invisible GOD that we are all forms or images of ..............the last time I checked it was satan who thought it not robbery to be equal with GOD........and that led to rebellion against Gods authority.....
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If after reading the scriptures from genesis to revelation you say that CHRIST is equal to his GOD and FATHER in status,degree and value then you need seriÓus help......1corinthians 15:24-28 i§ still dancing around this thread for you to ruminate on...............pleasÉ you can also read 1corinthians 11:3 to see how the ""Jesus is equal with his Father"" ground you are standing on is slippery.........

Bidam: Another scripture to prove the EQUALITY OF JESUS WITH GOD............18 "For this reason the jews tried all the harder to kill him; not only was he breaking the sabbath, but he was even calling God his own father,MAKING HIMSELF EQUAL WITH GOD.(John 5:18).....@real berni: do you think the jews were stufid into thinking that Jesus is equal with God?there was something the saw, which made them ran mad, inciting them to want to kill Him...reasons are 1. He broke the sabbath..their laws( why not, He is the Lord of the sabbath).2..They saw the Glory and Authority he use to perform miracles(why not He is the power of God)..3..He called God His Father(now that is too personal)..the question is, they knew God called Abraham His friend..so why are they mad that Jesus called Yahweh His father? Answer: very simple, they knew God is a Spirit, for Jesus to call God His father means He and Yahweh share the same DNA, attributes, splendour, Glory,Power, Majesty, etc.. They do not need Jesus to tell them He is Yahweh..they knew exactly what He meant..i hope u get the gist!!!

Smh!!!!......those Jews were like you who would never sit down to really listen to Jesus words..........those Jews saw Jesus bow down to worship the Father.......those Jews read in isaiah that the messiah is Gods servant......those Jews were just not ready to believe Jesus is the messiah and accept Him for the person he was .............except you want to join them(pharisees) in there oblivion........

Je§us opeÑly told those pharisees he that hÉ was the SON of God.............not GOD or an Equal with GOD........

GOD has nÓ eqÙals....GOD Is the GOD of JÉsÙs .....the GOD of Jesus is also our GOD.......we are brothers with Jesus...if Jesus is equal with GOD so also we are.....I don't know what is wrong with you.....1corinthians 15: 24-28 just shows you that GOD is heaÐ over Jesus and also has no equal,but a§ usual the t®inity will so block your vision.................

Bidam: @real berni..no one is arguing or in a debate with you about d omnipotency, omnipresence and omniscience of God..God is evrywhere, infact He is not far from us, for in Him we live and move and have our being( acts 17:28). If i remember the topic of the OP clearly..it's abt the Headship of Christ..and most of the scriptures i quoted in response to your post are all related to the topic..rather u are the one trying to derail the thread because you don't agree with the trinity doctrine..the Op never even mentioned "Trinity" before you went on ur propaganda parade.. Christians are to submit to the headship of Christ which is exercised through His Spirit(phil2:10; rom8:14). You can never come to God except thru Jesus..even in the OT..satan has every right to take the life of everyone(rom3:23) but satan has no right to take the life of Jesus..he went too far(2 cor5:21)..thats why Christ is the headship of the church(phil2:10)..pls understand d OP.

We understand the OP..but I.chuka went a little further in trying to equate Jesus with the almighty or like you said there is no difference between the almighty Yahweh and his son $ servant Jesus..........real berni was only clarifying issues as regards that" LIE"....

Real berni only came up with the reminder that whilst Jesus is the head of man and the Chri§tian congregation,that same Jesus has a head over him who he is subject to............if this reminder is not established many would think Jesus' authority has no limit or that Jesus is HEAD over everyone(with the Father inclusive)...........

Thank you.....

FXKing2012: [b]It's ok to disagree with me bro, but the fact that people say the world has changed and so we must change with it is something I just dont buy. The Word of God is the same yesterday, today and forever so it does not matter what people think or say, or how they try to twist the Bible to suit their way of life, cravings and desires. I'm an ardent believer in the Word and we must not allow changing times to affect our interpretation of the Bible.

For example,1 Timothy 2:9 says "Likewise also that women should adorn themselves in respectable apparel, with modesty and self-control, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly attire."
The fact that people dont obey this scripture does not make it ineffective cos the Word of God remains true for evermore.

Another example,Matthew 23:9 says "And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven." Now people call our pastors "Father" despite Jesus expressly and explicitly telling us not to call anyone father here on earth. He was talking about spiritual father which is what people call our pastors. Now, the scripture remains true whether people abide by it or not.

Now why would anyone tattoo the cross or the scripture on his body when we have been told not to damage our bodies. How does it even glorify God? So does bowing to the "image of Jesus" or bowing to the Bible glorify God? Pls we shld be careful how we twist the interpretation of the Word.

I'm not here to judge cos God is the only Judge, but I just believe it is best to abide by the Word whether it is convenient or not, and not try to twist the Bible to suit us.[/b]

Good one bro........keep it up.....

Logicboy03: But I am free. I didnt reject the freedom and information when it was given to me

Good for you.......

Logicboy03: Commot, Jewish slave.

You once bowed down to that image.....abi??.....

Lol....logicboy you no well o.......

achina boy: akumgbawara ugbo,ofu onye ana asi unu abiala,nwanne otu onye,etc

Lmao.......smh!!!!!

Pastor Kun: If you are so intelligent why don't you create your own perfect world. You can start with creating a single living cell first.

dont mind the olodo.....yapping like he can create or produce even a toy car.....

Yooguys you again??........don't let me deal with you o...........where have you been?? You went M.I.A and suddenly here you are putting up scandals like a child.....just wait for me......

i.chuka:
Lol,
You see,that's the problem.throwing PEARLs to Swine/Dogs...Matt7:6.
Though in a more extrem case if the dog/swine is willing truthfully then the Children leftover can be given on to them..Matt15:27.
So dude,whenever you are ready for the Crumbs do let me know.

Lol....when you are ready to discard the pagan trinity dogma let me know...........you barely can see because you got a big veil covering your vision..the trinity that is.....

ihedioramma: NOT ALL MY BROTHER THERE ARE GOOD ONE'S, JESUS TOLD US WE CAN DO MORE DAN HIM. E.

When Jesus said we'll do more he was reffering to the preaching work and not the performing of miracles.......the clerics of today have done nothing compared to the miracles Jesus performed..........the apostles did spread the goodnews of Gods kingdom to the most distant part of the earth......Jesus couldn't but the apostles did...........

The miracles I see today happening are just not it.......they are not even close to the miracles the apostles performed........let's be careful...........

Jesus went to HELL too....did it escape your notice??you better go back to the already existing threads on hell fire and learn......

i.chuka:
Paul said in 1Cor1:24 that JESUS CHRIST is the POWER of GOD.remove HIM(JESUS) from your so called almighty..and you have NOTHING!

Chei.......you are a disgrace to christianity and to the scriptures.......so when the bible calls Jesus the ""power of God"" you immediately conclude that Yahweh can't do a thing without Jesus??...........smh!!!!...........Jesus being the power of GOD only means Gods power was displayed towards and through Jesus,just like every other servant of God has......the difference is that in Jesus' case he was given more power and through Him Yahweh would accomplish more..........



Jesus proved to be the long awaited messiah,Yahwehs annointed one,foretold to manifest the ""spirit of mightineSs""...read isaiah 11:1-5 to confirm that.........

Let's read malachi 5:4 to see what it means when Jesus is called ""power of God"" so that you don't go around deluding yourself....
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Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009)
He will stand and shepherd them in[b]in the strenght of Yahweh[/b] , in the majestic name of Yahweh His God. They will live securely, for then His greatness will extend to the ends of the earth.
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That scripture lucidly shows that Jesus acted in the strenght of Yahweh,just like moses and all faithful servants of God acted........Jesus being the power of God connotes nothing more than Jesus being used by Yahweh to accomplish powerful works..........Jesus was annointed with power to carry out great works which made paul rightly call him the power of GOD......

Acts 10:38....
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New Living Translation (©2007)
And you know that God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power. Then Jesus went around doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him
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Jesus was filled with Gods power and will carry out Yahwehs works.......Yahweh has always accomplished his powerful works through his agents or servants....and Jesus isn't excluded..........who ever God is with becomes the power of God or a tool of GOD..........that is why Jesus repeatedly said the things he does are not of his own,but that of HIM(Yahweh) that sent him(Jesus)...........Jesus is Gods agent,son,servant,apostle etc..........for you to now say Yahweh is powerless without Jesus is an insult and if you had existed in the times of the isrealites would have been struck down...........just because Jesus has sent forth his disciples to preach today just as Yahweh sent Jesus to the earth does not make Jesus powerless.....would you be happy if someone comes up to tell you that Jesus is powerless simply because we carry out his command to preach here on earth??.........please go and read the scriptures and stop this blasphemy..........

i.chuka:
And i believe YAHWEH in Hebrew meant "I AM",well Christ told the Israelites that "I AM" is who HE is..Jhn8:58.so bro,if your Yahweh is not Christ then he's a BIG FRAUD!!

Lol.......was Jesus telling the pharisees his name or for hÓw long he had existed??.......

You are the fraud for insinuationg that Jesus' name is Yahweh.......the pharisees knew what the messiahs name was,they were only worried about how old Jesus was.....from the context of john 8:58 the question the pharisees asked and the reply Jesus gave was centered around AGE and not around the tetragramatton and its meaning.....you are the scam!!!!!!.........Yahweh is not Christ and Christ is not Yahweh..........even a 2 year old knows this basic fact...but as I can see the trinity has clouded your whole brain...........smh!!!!!!!!!!........go back and read the scriptures and stop this madness!!!!!!........

Yahweh our GOD is 1 Yahweh.......Jesus himself quoted those words.......Yahweh is the name of 1 person and not 2 or 3.........

i.chuka:
Paul said in 1Cor1:24 that JESUS CHRIST is the POWER of GOD.remove HIM(JESUS) from your so called almighty..and you have NOTHING!

Chei.......you are a disgrace to christianity and to the scriptures.......so when the bible calls Jesus the ""power of God"" you immediately conclude that Yahweh can't do a thing without Jesus??...........smh!!!!...........Jesus being the power of GOD only means Gods power was displayed towards and through Jesus,just like every other servant of God has......the difference is that in Jesus' case he was given more power and through Him Yahweh would accomplish more..........



Jesus proved to be the long awaited messiah,Yahwehs annointed one,foretold to manifest the ""spirit of mightineSs""...read isaiah 11:1-5 to confirm that.........

Let's read malachi 5:4 to see what it means when Jesus is called ""power of God"" so that you don't go around deluding yourself....
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Holman Christian Standard Bible (©2009)
He will stand and shepherd them in[b]in the strenght of Yahweh[/b] , in the majestic name of Yahweh His God. They will live securely, for then His greatness will extend to the ends of the earth.
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That scripture lucidly shows that Jesus acted in the strenght of Yahweh,just like moses and all faithful servants of God acted........Jesus being the power of God connotes nothing more than Jesus being used by Yahweh to accomplish powerful works..........Jesus was annointed with power to carry out great works which made paul rightly call him the power of GOD......

Acts 10:38....
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New Living Translation (©2007)
And you know that God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power. Then Jesus went around doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with him
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Jesus was filled with Gods power and will carry out Yahwehs works.......Yahweh has always accomplished his powerful works through his agents or servants....and Jesus isn't excluded..........who ever God is with becomes the power of God or a tool of GOD..........that is why Jesus repeatedly said the things he does are not of his own,but that of HIM(Yahweh) that sent him(Jesus)...........Jesus is Gods agent,son,servant,apostle etc..........for you to now say Yahweh is powerless without Jesus is an insult and if you had existed in the times of the isrealites would have been struck down...........just because Jesus has sent forth his disciples to preach today just as Yahweh sent Jesus to the earth does not make Jesus powerless.....would you be happy if someone comes up to tell you that Jesus is powerless simply because we carry out his command to preach here on earth??.........please go and read the scriptures and stop this blasphemy..........

i.chuka:
And i believe YAHWEH in Hebrew meant "I AM",well Christ told the Israelites that "I AM" is who HE is..Jhn8:58.so bro,if your Yahweh is not Christ then he's a BIG FRAUD!!

Lol.......was Jesus telling the pharisees his name or for hÓw long he had existed??.......

You are the fraud for insinuationg that Jesus' name is Yahweh.......the pharisees knew what the messiahs name was,they were only worried about how old Jesus was.....from the context of john 8:58 the question the pharisees asked and the reply Jesus gave was centered around AGE and not around the tetragramatton and its meaning.....you are the scam!!!!!!.........Yahweh is not Christ and Christ is not Yahweh..........even a 2 year old knows this basic fact...but as I can see the trinity has clouded your whole brain...........smh!!!!!!!!!!........go back and read the scriptures and stop this madness!!!!!!........

Yahweh our GOD is 1 Yahweh.......Jesus himself quoted those words.......Yahweh is the name of 1 person and not 2 or 3.........