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Bidam: And why should it be preposterous to you? you are the only person denying the Alpha and the Omega of Jesus...go back and read that verse, it was Jesus himself that actually said it...lemme show you why

Revelation 1:8

New International Version (©1984)
"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."



Revelation 22:13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
New International Version ©1984


Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
[b]I am Alpha and Omega,.... These are the words of Christ himself, appearing at once, and confirming what John had said of him, concerning his person, offices, and future coming: Alpha is the first letter, and Omega the last in the Greek alphabet, and signifies that Christ is the first and the last, as it is interpreted in Revelation 1:11, [/b]and is a character often given to the divine Being in prophetic writings; see Isaiah 41:4; and is no small proof of the proper deity of Christ. Alpha is used by the Jews for the chief of persons or things,


"Isaiah 41:4 Who has done this and carried it through, calling forth the generations from the beginning? I, the LORD--with the first of them and with the last--I am he."

Bidam: "your human speculations" does not hold water here..cos all true scriptures we see Christ considered as God and man, the Son of God equal with his Father, and yet the man, born of the Virgin Mary. Christ, in his complex person, is "the power of God and the wisdom of God." He is the power of God from all eternity. "By his word were the heavens made, and all the host of them." "The Word was God, and the Word was with God." "All things were made by him, and without him was not any thing made that was made."

Bidam: @ijawkid [/b]shey you see wetin [b]enilove talk abi
later you go talk say na lie i dey lie..see dat your head like niger delta.lol

Bidam: funny guy..you don dey compare your friends with JESUS ABI?

Bidam: Gabriel tells Zechariah not only that he'll have a son, but that the son should have a specific name: John. Later, when Zechariah faithfully chooses that name for his son rather than following other people's advice to name his son after himself, he finally demonstrates faith in Gabriel's message, and God restores Zechariah's ability to speak that Gabriel had temporarily taken away.(Luke 1 :59). now compare our lord and Savior prophecy in Isaiah 7:14.

New International Version (©1984)
Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.
New Living Translation (©2007)
All right then, the Lord himself will give you the sign. Look! The virgin will conceive a child! She will give birth to a son and will call him Immanuel (which means 'God is with us')

Matthew 1:23 ►

New International Version (©1984)
"The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel"--which means, "God with us."
New Living Translation (©2007)
"Look! The virgin will conceive a child! She will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel, which means 'God is with us.'"
So here it is, i believe you guys can do the maths...immanuel = Jesus(God in flesh)= God. even a simple child can catch this revelation na...haba!!!.. because His Name is called Jesus doesn't negate the fact that He is not Immanuel(God with us)..even many people in some parts of the world bear two or more names na..Now this is the icing on the cake o. look at this :Does the Bible tell us that Christ to be called the Mighty God? Yes.



Isa 9:6 (NIV) For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.



Isaiah tells us that Jesus is to be called the Mighty God. God in Hebrew means, 410. 'el, ale; short. from H352; strength; as adj. mighty; espec. the Almighty deity, power, strong. Comp. names in "-el." Strong's Dictionary.


This definition describes Jesus. We find the definition Almighty, meaning Omnipotent, and God, as meaning Almighty deity. On this evidence alone Jesus can be called Almighty God.

enilove: [b]God is title ,that was why God Almighty gave His name to Moses.He did not say "My name is God"Jesus Christ too has a name,his was not named God. You can see that the name God gave to Moses is different from Jesus's name.
They are two different parsonalities but united in purpose or oneness in purpose ,principles and everyother thing.
A man and his wife are one.but two people if you remove marriage.
Jesus christ said I and my father are one.When he was baptised the voice came from heaven saying "this is my beloved son in whom am well pleased"
Jesus christ kept saying "my father in heaven".when he was crucified he told the thief on his right hand that he would be with his father in heaven.More than 50 times in the bible the Lord Jesus Christ said MY FATHER.
Before raising up Lazarus from the dead , he prayed to his father in heaven.You can not tell me that he was praying to himself .

Philipians2:9 says "God has highly exalted Jesus Christ and given him a name that is above all names"
This means God the father is existing and different from Jesus His son.
Gen.41:44 Pharaoh said unto Joseph, I am Pharaoh,without thee shall no man lift up his hands or foot in the land of Egypt.verse 55 says when there was famine in the land the people cried to Pharoah for bread,which Pharaoh gave unto them by telling them to go and meet Joseph.Likewise we ask God for all thing through our Lord Jesus Christ.

.Joseph was given all the power in Egypt but not above Pharaoh.
When you read further that book of revelation chpter1:18 Jesus christ says "I am he that liveth and was dead and behold ,I am alive for evermore.
From here Jesus Christ gave messages to John for the 7 churches from Chapter 1to chapter 3 .In chapter 3:12 Jesus said he that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and will write upon him the name of my God.This means Jesus has a God.verse 14 Jesus Christ says that he is the beginning of the creation of God.Likewise revelation 3:21 Jesus testifies that "I am set down with my father on the throne.
The above was the complete or conclusion of message given by Jesus to John.Confirming that God is on the throne.

Joseph was ruling the people of Egypt but not ruling Pharaoh that gave him the authority and one of his chariots to ride on. He also said every Egyptian must bow their knee to Joseph.Likewise in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ every knee must bow.But not the knee of his Father Almighty God.
It is written for God so love the world that he gave His only begotten son ,that whosoever believeth in him should not perish but ,but have everlasting life.[/b]

Bidam: @emboldened..try comparing the scripture you quote in 1 Corinthians 15:28 ►

New International Version (©1984)
When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all. and

Colossians 3:11

New International Version (©1984)
Here there is no Greek or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all.[/b]This goes to show that Christ is not almost all,[b] but all in all.

Bidam: Jesus as every son does inherited his name from his father. The father's name is Jesus."

Bidam: The fact is Jesus sat down forever as God with all power and authority.

Bidam: JESUS NA GOD... -

Yooguyz: haba if im do that one which water go remain 4 us to drink? You harsh oh!

Bidam: I now fully understand the reason why my "christian friends" attack threads that says accept the deity of Christ as God. They tend to boil with self righteous indignation and hypocrisy any time they hear the phrase "JESUS IS GOD ALMIGHTY".

Isn't it rather funny that am not the one saying it but the bible. This thread is not meant to attack any religious group but to use the bible as our clear and perfect guide concerning the DEITY OF JESUS CHRIST.


This Christian group attack us with statements like trinitarians, modal ism(first time i dey hear this one sha) etc...

You can't have it both ways! it is either you accept the deity of CHRIST as proved from scriptures or He is some kind of angel(servant). you can't talk out of both side of your mouth. here is an excerpts from one of their false prophetess.

What Ellen G. White (EGW) writes in her books, is to be believed as truth from God's throne by Seventh-day Adventist Church members. Is it true that "the man Christ Jesus was not Lord God Almighty"?

EGW: "But although Christ's glory was for a time veiled and eclipsed by His assuming humanity, yet He did not cease to be God when He became man...The man Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty, yet Christ and the Father are one." SDA Bible Commentary, vol. 5, p.1129.

Jesus "did not cease to be God when he became man," and "that Christ and the Father are one," which are true statements about the deity of God. It is also true that the Father is the Lord God Almighty, but it is a false statement to say, "that Jesus is not the Lord God Almighty."

Why would God give Ellen a false statement about himself? The truth is that God did not reveal this, as God does not lie. The answer simply is this; Ellen G. White is a false prophet.



Does It Make a Difference?

Because of the authority given Ellen G. White by the Seventh -day Adventist Church, many that read her statement that "the man Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty" will regard it as truth. What does this statement do to the deity of Christ? It says that the Father and Son are not really equal in their deity and that the Father is the Lord God Almighty and Christ is somewhat of a lesser God.



This is very similar to the beliefs of the Jehovah's Witnesses who believe that Jesus Christ is not God equal to the Father, and regard him as just "a god " (with a small g). This is found in their New World Translation of John 1:1.The Witnesses also believe that Jesus is a mighty god and Jehovah is the Lord God Almighty. This gives Ellen G. White, the SDA Church and the Jehovah's Witness two Gods, one that is Almighty and one that is not as Almighty.


The Truth[color=#000099][/color]

Jesus Christ is called the Lord God Almighty, and the Alpha and Omega, Rev. 1:8, the same as the Father is called the Lord God Almighty and the Alpha and Omega. Rev. 21:5,6.

Almighty applies to Christ, from the Greek word "pantokrator," which means all-ruling, Almighty, Omnipotent.

The Savior is equal to the Father, Col 2:9 (NIV) For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form...

ba7man: Pls, help me tell our pot-bellied, skinny legged rulers.

didisky: Why not ifunaya or onyinye ? Make una no use igbo names sing again abeg.

Bidam: [b]mark of a true antichrist indeed..you dey craze for your head.no be kjv your fathers dey use before dem born you? you have now resorted to cheap blackmail simply becos una nyash [/b]don leak..abeg no quote those occultic bibles for me again..if you really want us to argue this thing out.

Bidam: oya you try here at least you answer a queshion though wrongly...anywaz you ave been brainwashed sha. wat will i expeCt from someone as eccentric and schizophrenic like you rather than insults upon insults.

Bidam: 1 John 5:20
20[b] And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
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Bidam: @ ijawkid..your blood they hot o.. I believe your yahweh will be rejoicing in heaven since u re so much into defending him..keep it up..i like your tenacity.. Infact i never knew what you meant by modalism until i asked Google..it is very funny, you switching from saying am a trinitarian into say am into modalism. that means you don't even have a clue of what you are talking about. Wat re u sef? A 'new ager'? Every one knows the NIV has been compromised to suit the new age cult religion..funny you never mentioned it when vomiting your bile

Bidam: .. Agreed i made some research concerning some scriptures and i also have materials @ home to better enhance my knowlegde and understanding of scriptures...do you think am like you who spend the whole day on the internet researching some pagan doctrines? What the hell is modalism anyway? And who cares? Am a stickler to the KJV..CALL ME OLD FASHION BUT PLS LET'S STICK TO THE KJV OK? YOU STILL HAVE NOT ANSWERED SOME BEGGING QUESHIONS RAISED ON THIS POST..DOES GOD HAVE TWO THRONES?..DOES GOD HAVE TWO SPIRITs? Do you belive in trinity? Because the scriptures you also quoted are all pointing to that fact.for your info.. Ayam apostolic and not a modalist lets get dat fact straightened out cos we are online..someone might believe your false accusations and allegations..blessed is whosever that is not offended in me.

Bidam: Your grp(boomark,barristers) are even more matured than you are.. Instead of you sitting down to read my post and ask intelligent queshions you dey here dey vomit bile..SMH![color=#990000]

Bidam: 1 John 3:16
16 Hereby perceive we the love of God,
because he laid down his life for us: and we
ought to lay down our lives for the
brethren.
The verse in John says that God gave His son
but in 1 John it says that God gave himself.
Which is it? Who came to die? Did God die?
Did His son die?
When we understand that[b] God is a Spirit
and that He came in flesh helps us understand
the verses. [/b]God did not die. The Son of
God died. The manifestation of God died. The
flesh of God died. There is a difference
between the flesh and spirit. God has a Spirit
nature and a flesh nature. Everyone that is
born again also has a Spirit nature and was
born with a human nature.
God is a Spirit but added a human nature when
he came in flesh. Not another person but
simply a revealing of God in human flesh!

Bidam: and what gave you the impression that ayam in support of the trinity? i said JESUS IS GOD ALMIGHTY..PLS YOUR INSULTS SHOULD HAVE A LIMIT OK? I never knew you to be like this..dats my prob with a kid.

Bidam: Calling me names is not helping you here if you really want us to learn what the word of God is saying. I quoted scriptures and these scriptures are actually revealing who Christ is. You( ijawkid)on the other hand quoted copious portions of the Bible without even giving us an insight on what those Bible verses meant. YOU KEPT ON SPITTING FROM BOTH SIDES OF YOUR MOUTH. I believe other viewers are watching.Lemme repeat those scriptures i quoted again and lets hear your interpretation on the matter.The term “the almighty” is used 44 times in the Bible. Now do you agree with the emboldened?(Ayam a bible student not a scholar like you so it's good to hear from you) The last verse referring to the almighty is[b] Jesus claiming to be the almighty.[/b] How many almighties do we have? Now this is where you disagree. Can you please answer the queshions raised?

Rev 1:8
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
( Remember this verse is talking about Jesus. so who are you calling a fraud here? let others be the judge).

Luke 11:20
20 But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.
. Now this is the real meat of the gist. How can Jesus claim He has the 'finger of God'? Does God actually have a literal finger? pls explain.

Bidam: . . God is one in number and has has three manifestations, namely the Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
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i.chuka:
Even Hebrew5:8,says He learnt obedience.it was never in His nature to obey(fact is God does not know how to obey).obedience was something actually learnt and establish by Him on the Cross in the universe.that's the sole reason His name is above every other name in Heaven and here on earth

i.chuka:
Who told you His throne was empty.He left His Divinity/His Godly nature in Heaven and came down and took the form of a man,a servant to be precise....Phlippns2:6-8..He even send His Spirit back to Heaven before His death...Luke23:47.
His Divinity is that which makes Him God.