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My twin bro....where have thou BEEN??.......

alexleo: Thats your own understanding and its not acceptable becuase its wrong.

Chei I don suffer for alexleo hand.....what is wrong??........oya what would the worms be feeding on??.....answer the question.....

alexleo: Total destruction awaits them but not that they will be wiped out as you are teaching. They will be tormented endlessly. Jesus described hell as a place where the worms in it does not die. If ordinary worms there will not die in hell why do you think what the bible said about people being tormented forever does not really mean endlessly? You people are just reading the bible like a story book and a book of logic.you keep jumping from one bible translation to the other just to satisfy your false teaching.

And didn't you read from the book of isaiah Jesus quoted from that the worms that don't die feed on dead bodies??....................frosbel quoted the excerpt from isaiah but you failed to pay attention........

Satan and his demons,wicked humans,grave and death would not be literally tormented endlessly........they would be extinguished/destroyed completely.......read your bible well and stop this running arounds...............

alexleo: Yes i know but are you born again?
again if you want everlasting life then desist from diluting God's word. May God help you.

Alexleo my man .............the®e isn't aÑy dilusion my bro......this is what the bible reÀlly really teaches.................total destruction is what awaits the wicked...nothing more nothing less..........

alexleo: You people are just misapplying the scriptures to suit your cheap and diluted gospel which was exactly what satan did when he tempted Jesus. I dont care about the thirty irrelevant questions. Am just dropping my own piece of advice. Ijawkid are you saved?

Hmmmm....but abeg we have quoted more than enough scriptures to show that persons won't be burning up forever somewhere in some fiery HELL......satan and his cohorts can't live forever....don't you get it??.......wicked persons and satan and death which is abstract would be obliterated for all eternity(th®own in the lake Óf fire)..........simple and cogent........

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And to answer your question::::.....until I endure to the end that is when I'll know if I'm saved....for Now I'm a runner anticipating to get to the finish line(everlasting life).......

Bélla3: The kjv proved/proves trinity nt just in that verse.

Where again??.........but at least you do knw the kjvs verse 7 of 1 john 5 is spurious....

alexleo: Am not talking about wether he roasted them or not. Am saying he punished without sentiment accordingto how he wanted to punish for any sin so dont bring in sentiment and use it to inteprete eternal torment as not eternal. What do mean by stop dreaming? I dont have anything to lose or gain by a sinner facing eternal torment.
It is even you people that are sugar coating it that have human accolades and whatevrer going for you.

You need to teach the truth my brother.......no one is sugar coating anything here........the scriptures is interpreting itself and speaking Gods thoughts on this matter.............the OP has asked pertinent questions which you should be defending with the scriptures if you really believe our heavenly Father would burn persons up forever in fire..............

Bélla3: So before nw i was indifferent about trinity bt after reading the bible verse below, i have now realised that believing in trinity depends on the version you read. The translator(s) of KJV obviously believed in trinity, hence, verses are translated to confirm trinity.

The translator(s) of the NIV obviously didnt believe in trinity, hence, verses confirming trinity from the KJV say otherwise.

The NLT like NIV is also against trinity.


BELOW IS AN EXAMPLE FROM 1 John 5:7:

"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the word, and the Holy Spirit: and these three are one."(KJV)


"For there three that testify: the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement"(NIV)


"For there are three that testify: the spirit and the water and the blood, and these three agree"


It is obvious the these versions preach different things.
Can it then be said that there isnt any proof or disproof of TRINITY until a standard version is established?

Mind you the NIV was translators are trinitarians...........also the verse 7 you see in the KJV was excerpted from the latin vulgate which was never found in the older manuscripts but was added later.......so all the NIV translators did was restore the original way verse 7 should be rendered from the older and original manuscript.......

Once again the trinity is a HOAX...........

jerk: This donkey don suffer

Lwkmd........the donkey go say;::::: which kin humans be this wey wan kill me with LOAD......

alexleo: it is you that says it is a lie and not the scriptures. Because you want the message to sound sweet in your ears rather than the bitter truth of it. You people are playing with God. Have you read the old testament to see how he dealt with evil doers exactly the way he said he will deal with them if they didnt repent of whatever they were doing, without all theses sentiments that you people are displaying here about him? The only thing that changes God's mind when he wants to punish is genuine repentance. Be careful my little brother. God's ways are different from ours.

You are the one subscribing to fairy tales my bro............Gods gift is everlasting LIFe and he gives it to those who have been obedient and faithful..............DEATH is the penalty for those who have hated God and disobeyed Him......satan and his cohorts would be crushed completely along with "death" itself.....

You need to read that your bible very well and stop dreaming.............

And if I may ask you:::: how did God deal with evil doers in the past??.....did he roast them in a furnace continually just as you posit??.....

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You are observant bro...............

alexleo: You think God's ways are like your ways? Keep doing nonsense logic. The bible is not logic based, thats why water seperated and the children of Isreal passed through the mighty sea. Manner fell from heaven, Mary conceived and gave birth to Jesus by the Holy Spirit, sampson killed about a thousand army with jaw bone of a horse, Fire fell down from heaven and consumed Elijah's sacrifice. As long as you use logic to view the scriptures you ll continue to fail it.

That is why God would roast people continually forever even when the scriptures says its a LIE??.......smh!!!!!......

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alexleo: There was a thread that Annony opened here sometime ago where this issue of hell was debated extensively thats why am not interested in arguing it again. The prayer i prayed on this issue is what i choose to do about it Having said that, let me quickly say that as much as you are busy reading the bible to prove or disprove whatever point on this issue, make sure you are genuinely saved because except a man be born again he cannot see the kingdom of God. Just my humble advice.

And how did that thread end??......anony because of his clinging to the traditions of men had to agree that satan would live forever when the bible clearly says satan would be crushed and destroyed....................the moment you guys start holding on to fundamental truths in the scriptures the farther away you guys would be from greek philosophies and the traditions of men that contravenes bible truths...........

alexleo: Yes o. He is a god also to plappvile, ijaw kid and co. Truthislight stands on his own in some issues

Alexleo you don fall my HAND finish.......you call frosbel our new god just because we speak the truth from the scriptures??............

Now you have irked me.............this is utter childishness from you.............instead of you to reason from the scriptures and discuss maturely all you could do is support image's statement.............smh!!!!!..........

Get your double edged sword ready and let's discuss this hell fire gibberish once and for all........oh you can't........you'll rather wanna hide.......

Pastor Kun: @Benodic
Thanx for the response also I am very sceptical about dabbling into the spiritual world, I just want to learn for the sake of knowledge.

Oh ok......oya make we continue to dey enjoy our physical world for now since you no wan dabble into the spirit world....make we find the nearest kenya airline enter...or better still oyedepo private Jet..............

fellis: we hear that god committed suicide to forgive our sins, oh wait, he didn't commit suicide, he sent his son who was also himself except in human form and that son was the one that got killed, not god, even though both of them are one and the same. . . .
^^^This explanation actually makes sense to some people.

Some trinitarians believe this crap.......smh!!!!!................

Goshen360: What does that scripture mean? If you don't relate with unbelievers, how do you witness Christ to them? Huh?

Okay....#ReadingFromSidelineAndFollowing

Érmm my elder bro how do you see this scripture.......1 corinthians 5:9-11
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9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate
with sexually immoral people— 10 not at all
meaning the people of this world who are
immoral, or the greedy and swindlers, or
idolaters. In that case you would have to leave
this world. 11 But now I am writing to you that
you must not associate with anyone who claims
to be a brother or sister[c] but is sexually
immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a
drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with
such people.
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It has to deal primarily with persons who once upheld scriptural truths but abandoned them for falsehood....it does extend to heathens..........these are the unbelievers.....but no scripture says we shouldn't reciprocrate kindness to unbelievers...it only warns us not to be unevenly yoked with them......

greatgenius: yes from the point of view that you all are looking at it yes it is illogical... becuase ultimately there is really nothing like something ceasing to exist. it only only changes form.. A soul "dying" doesnt cease to exist it only changes form..Also if you want to get technical i can make a case that, the dust where the body of a man came from is as immortal as the spirit of God... Technically a soul does not "die" it only changes form.. when the living soul "dies" the part of it that is spirit goes to where it came from and the other part which is dust goes to where it came from..

Hmmmm........and all this is found in the scriptures or some philosophical books??......

The one and only slim shady ,marshal matters and the bad meets evil genuis..........carry Go..............

Pastor Kun: Happy new year Benodic please i need your comments on Out of Body Experience as stated by billyonaire on this thread https://www.nairaland.com/1147410/live-3d-world-spirit-world/6#1147410.212 Also what's the differnece btw OBE and sould travel?

E be like you like to travel too..??............if need be abeg board fly emirate or etihad.............

Il Capitano: It's Mammon not mammoth(an extinct animal).

They both sound alike....lol.......

Omolola1: If JW's do not believe in new year, then they shouldn't observe the public holidays, dec 25_26 and Jan 1. They shouldn't even accept christmas bonuses that would be given to them at work.
Yet most JW's do this!

How do you mean observe??.........are the company giving xmas bonuses or end of the year bonuses??.......isn't every staff entitled to end of the year bonuses??.........were the bonuses giving on xmas day??........

gst101: when i read the scripture, i can see a celebration.

"suddenly, angels appeared from heaven singing glory to god in the highest and peace on earth to people of good will" (luke 2:13-14). So, on every 25th december when christians gather to praise god for the gift of a savior, be sure that God puts on his dancing shoes and he rejoices with them

Were the angels commemorating Jesus' birth or did you hear that after that day Jesus was born d angels gathered year in year out to observe the birth of Jesus just as you and many are doing??......my brother open that your bible and check well........besides Jesus wasn't born on dec 25th the pagan sun god was........smh!!!!!.............

gst101: whats pegan about xmas? Do people worship demons on these days? Is the account of the nativity of the lord not recorded in the bible

Hmmmm...please read the account of Jesus' birth and answer these questions and find out if this is what the scriptures teach
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...were there xmas trees around Jesus??.........were did bobo Father xmas come from??..............

Were there exchange of gifts when Jesus was born??........did persons around engage in wild partying when Jesus was born??...........
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The record of Jesus' birth(in exception of the date) shows the commemoration of Christ birth is out of the scriptures.............all the customs attached to xmas you see today are pagan based........like said earlier Jesus,mary,John and all 1st century christians never commemorated the birthday of Christ.............xmas is nothing but a waste to christianity..........

Rich4god: Erm... Plappville. I have one question for you, and all i need is a yes or no answer (if need be, a little and concise explanation might be accepted).
After the bible must have been conpiled, is there anyway that some of the 2nd century christians recieved revelations from God, or better still, have God stop revealing things to believers since the death of the apostles/early christian.
Remember all i need is yes/no.
Good morning.

I KNOW WHERE you're heading @ my bro with this your question.......

Please don't tell me that the extra revelations if @ all any are the revelations of these pagan infested holidays and festivals.......smh!!!!!......because if that's the point you're trying to make then we will so argue hard...........xmas,easter,halloween are all pagan based................and Gods spirit would have no dealings revealing such waste to servants of God...........

And please after the apostles died revelations,prophecies et al stopped......

I thought I had quoted ephesians 2:19 $ 20 to butress this salient point......
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19 Now, therefore, you are no longer
strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens
with the saints and members of the household
of God, 20 having been built on the foundation
of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ
Himself being the chief cornerstone,
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Our foundation is Jesus(the chief corner stone),the apostles and prophets..........any teaching,revelation and traditions found on a different foundation(traditions of men) should definitly be scrutinized and discarded...........

pastormustwacc: So in the second death, the souls of the wicked will cease to exist completely? Utter destruction eh?
Na case closed be that o.

You too funny.....lmao....na really case closed......some persons no go gree....them go say satan go live forever inside fire.....then I come wonder wether Satan sef join for the people wey go receive eternal LIFE...........

My bro lake of fire is second death,total destruction,complete obliteration of satan and his cohorts..............anyone who still thinks other wise would have to cling on to the philosophies of men and leave the bible alone......

gst101: why dont you just find out. Information is soo soo availiable.

What info??.............which of the info??....that Jesus commemorated his own birthday or what??..........

gst101: i want to ask JWs a question. Do you know that baptism and the 'evening meal' as you call it, were first practiced by the pegans long before jesus was born? But you dont see it as a 'pegan' practice. You dont see it as a copied ritual from peganism

You errr....

Jesus got baptized and also took part in the evening meal......did Jesus celebrate his birthday let alone given a go ahead for his birthday to be celebrated??......

And please don't tell me pagan celebrated the passover.....smh!!!!....

gst101: when people say the birth of jesus is not in the bible i just laugh. But we know what is recorded in luke 1 and 2. Xmas has no pegan origin. Are we saying the birth of jesus is a pegan thing? Or is it becos of the day most people celebrate it? Ok, what about those christians especially coptics and eastern orthodox that celebrate theirs in january? What wrong with replacing a pegan practice with christian revelation,xmas

The commemoration of Jesus' birth is what is the fraud!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.............no 1st century christian(the apostles) commemorated the birth of Jesus.....not even mary and John....NONE of them........if you see nothing wrong with replacing a pagan festival with the commemoration of Christ birth(which Jesus himself never commanded or practiced) then you need to check if you are really a follwer of Christ or some presumptuous professed christian..........Jesus wasn't born on xmas day.....anyone who says that is as fraudulent as december 25th......