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hisblud: ha lol. Yes He is begotten but God all the same not wit a small "g" but big 'G' as God! Added taking in more 'cocaine' of the begotten God!

Just as I can use big "G" if I want to when refering to other angels or humans that were reffered to as GODs...right??......

I use small letter "g" for Jesus because he is not the almighty and that Jesus has a God and Father...and that that GOD and Father is our GOD and Father too........

It is high time I say this to you...:: if you insist that Jesus is the almighty or equal to the almighty and that same Jesus says we all(including Jesus) have and share the same Father and GOD then it means we are all part of the trinity or Godhead and also the almighty God too.........


It has been proven times without number that the only 1 true GOD is the Father(only) and not a league of persons.......ok??.....
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Mr_Anony: 1. Jesus said God is Spirit and we must worship Him in truth and in Spirit. (Mind you Jesus received worship)

2. God (The Father, The Son, The Holy Ghost)

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1........Jesus received worship ??from whom??.... did Jesus himself worship someone??.....

2.....FRAUD!!!!!!!..........read 1 corinthians 8:6 and ephesiand 4:6.....
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Ephesians 4:6...

New International Version (©1984)
one God and Father of all, who is over all and
through all and in all.
1 corinthians 8:6
New International Version (©1984)
yet for us there is but one God, the Father,
from whom all things came and for whom we
live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ,
through whom all things came and through
whom we live.

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Once again the scriptures exposes the fraud called the trinity......it is either you worship and have has your GOD the Father alone or you worship the son and the holy spirit joined to the Father.... ........read pauls words and let it digest.

It has been consistent through out the scriptures that there is 1 true GOD and that is the Father alone.......that is why Jesus worshipped him.........it would be foolish and futile for Jesus to worship his equal and cry to his equal when he was hung on the tree.........

Boomark: Don't you know why? Let me show you.

Jn 5:22
For the Father judges no one at all, but has committed all the judging to the Son.

When you look at 1Cor 15:27-28, you will see that when all these things has been committed to him, then the Son shall be SUBJECT to God who put all thing under him, that God may be all in all.

The Son is still a servant of the Almighty God(the Father). DO YOU HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO THE ABOVE?

I was having difficulty with my browser but am fully back.

Anony never pays attention......I have told him so many times that the power and actions Jesus carries out were given to him......Jesus remains a servant because he works for HIs GOD and Father........

Mr_Anony: Ijawkid, why are you doing this?

12 “Look, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to each person according to what they have done.
13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
14 “Blessed are those who wash their robes, that they may have the right to the tree of life and may go through the gates into the city.
15 Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.
16 “I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.”
Rev 22:12-16

Why would God the Father start by calling Himself Alpha and Omega then end by calling Himself Jesus?

I have seen how you tried to draw a distinction between God and His arm and how you tried to make Jesus into an angel/messenger but then the question that lies before you is Why would a messenger dare to claim a title that only belongs to God?

I think at this point it is the nature of God has been made clear to you. The only thing I see stopping you from accepting it is because you maintain that "God cannot take the form of a man". Please ask yourself and answer honestly: Did you really get that notion from the bible or did someone else teach it to you? Think of all the bible verses that have to be "spurious" for that claim to be true.

You see, unlike most people I didn't learn about God by indoctrination under some pastor somewhere. I opened the bible and read it and accepted it's message. I saw three persons that all had the same attributes of God and I simply accepted it that way. I didn't try to start trying to cancel one scripture with another so that they don't "contradict". I just accepted it as the nature of God.

I will not drag this on anymore. The message has been laid out you can either choose to accept it or you can reject it. The choice is yours. I have nothing more to give. Trust me, this thread has taught me more about God than I knew yesterday.

I'll say thank you Boomark for linking me here. God has used you indirectly to teach me something. I just pray that you too will not miss out on the same teaching.

Peace.

You have already dragged the discussion to the mud by insulting Yahweh.....that he died and was seen.......

Let me reiterate on revelation 22 you've been jumping about with...

It is evident that a number of persons are represented as speaking in this chapter of Revelation 22; verses 8 and 9 show that the angel spoke to John, verse 16 obviously applies to Jesus, the first part of verse 17 is credited to “the spirit and the bride,” and the one speaking in the latter part of verse 20 is manifestly John himself. “The Alpha and the Omega” of verses 12-15, therefore, may properly be identified as the same one who bears the title in the other two occurrences in the book of revelations..(E.g reveltion 1:: . The expression, “Look! I am coming quickly,” in verse 12, does not require that these aforementioned verses apply to Jesus, inasmuch as God(Yahweh) also speaks of himself as “coming” to execute judgment like I had earlier mentioned. (Compare Isa 26:21.) I'll repeat this again that Malachi 3:1-6 speaks of a joint coming for judgment on the part of Yahweh and his “messenger / angel of the covenant.”
The title “the Alpha and the Omega” carries the same thought as “the first and the last” and “the beginning and the end” when these terms are used with reference to Yahweh. Before him there was no Almighty God, and there will be none after him. He will bring to a successful conclusion the issue over Godship, forever vindicated as the one and only Almighty God......



Nothing about revelation says Jesus is the almighty......that has been proved...

Please read revelations 1:1,5 $ 6.....
New International Version (©1984)
1..The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave
him to show his servants what must soon take
place. He made it known by sending his angel to
his servant John,

5 and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful
witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the
ruler of the kings of the earth.
To him who loves us and has freed us from our
sins by his blood, 6 and has made us to be a
kingdom and priests to serve his God and
Father—to him be glory and power for ever
and ever! Amen.
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If you had critically read the beginning of revelation you would have noticed that the. Almighty GOD has no GOd and Father and that the almighty is all knowing and so doesn't need any information or revelation from no one...........

these basic truths are what you lack,that is why you keep insisting that Jesus is equal to his GOD and Father.....smh!!!!

And I forgot to add:: the almighty GOD is not a morning star and also a son of DAvid.....thank You...

hisblud: Let me get some more high on the begotten God who was speaking to philip

and again no one has ever seen the Father.....meaning Jesus reflected his Fathers qualities and also he exhibited all he had learnt from the Father....you forget that this Jesus never acts of his own originality,except only on what his Father tell him to do....you forget that Jesus can do nothing except what he sees his Father doing........

Have you tried comparing Jesus' words with the words of Jacob who said he had seen GODs face by looking at his brothers face??...

Let's check it out...

Genesis 33:9-11

New International Version (NIV)
9 But Esau said, “I already have plenty, my
brother. Keep what you have for yourself.”
10 “No, please!” said Jacob. “If I have found
favor in your eyes, accept this gift from me.
For to see your face is like seeing the face of
God, now that you have received me favorably.
11 Please accept the present that was brought
to you, for God has been gracious to me and I
have all I need.” And because Jacob insisted,
Esau accepted it.
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How was looking at esau's face like seeing the face of GOD from Jacobs statement??...

I need your answers.......

hisblud: Let me get some more high on the begotten God who was speaking to philip

and again no one has ever seen the Father.....meaning Jesus reflected his Fathers qualities and also he exhibited all he had learnt from the Father....you forget that this Jesus never acts of his own originality,except only on what his Father tell him to do....you forget that Jesus can do nothing except what he sees his Father doing........

Have you tried comparing Jesus' words with the words of Jacob who said he had seen GODs face by looking at his brothers face??...

Let's check it out...

Genesis 33:9-11

New International Version (NIV)
9 But Esau said, “I already have plenty, my
brother. Keep what you have for yourself.”
10 “No, please!” said Jacob. “If I have found
favor in your eyes, accept this gift from me.
For to see your face is like seeing the face of
God, now that you have received me favorably.
11 Please accept the present that was brought
to you, for God has been gracious to me and I
have all I need.” And because Jacob insisted,
Esau accepted it.
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How was looking at esau's face like seeing the face of GOD from Jacobs statement??...

I need your answers.......

hisblud: just an expression of gratitude. Maybe sometime but now am basking in on the high of that verse john 1.18. I have never taken cocaine before but i think i this verse in NIV AND AMPLIFIED rendering has provided me that euphoria. Oh oh oh great john 1.18 thanks ijawkid

Lol..just an expression of gratitutude??
You call these words expression of gratitude??...

24 Then the end will come, when he hands over
the kingdom to God the Father after he has
destroyed all dominion, authority and power.
25 For he must reign until he has put all his
enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to
be destroyed is death. 27 For he “has put
everything under his feet.”[a] Now when it
says that “everything” has been put under him,
it is clear that this does not include God
himself, who put everything under Christ.
28 When he has done this, then the Son
himself will be made subject to him who put
everything under him, so that God may be all in
all.
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What is a purpoted person of a triune Godhead who is co equal to the Father subjecting himself for??.....first of all this purpoted GOD is given kingdoms and power by someone greater,and then after everything this purpoted GOD hands over the same kingdom he was given to the one who gave him in the first place and then subjected himself to that ONE......

is GOD subjected to anyone??...this is another attribute I was pointing out to anony that he trivialized.....I told him GOD worships no one and that God is subject to no one.....

1 corinthians 15:24-28 destroys both the trinity and what have you.........Jesus has a superior that is a stron fact that negates him been GOD almighty or equal to GOD almighty...

hisblud: ijawkid maybe i will throw in the towel here and now, i cant add anything to john 1.18 Niv by topgun am ok wit it.

And what's it about john 1:18......??...

That Jesus is reffered to as the only begotten god??...oh issues small letter" g" because Jesus isn't the on true God or part of a trinity.........

John 1:18 mentions an un-begotten GOD who no body has seen,and went further to say another god who was "begotten" is the one who has explained the un-begotten God...this verse even as it is does not in any way prove Jesus is Yahweh...why??...because Yahweh was never begotton,but Jesus was....the begetter and the begotten are never the same or of the same rank......the kjv rendering of john 1:18 says "only begotten son"".........this verse from all translations is still under serious debate ......but therein we find a profound truth that one person never had a beginning but the other had a beginning(was begotten)....so how does this take away the fact that the one God we have is the Father as 1 corinthians 8:6 tells us......nothing....

Mr_Anony: Two things I'll say about this.
1.Go and find out what YHWH means.
2.Which part of God humbled himself and took the form of a man do you not understand?

And which part of God is greater than himself you still haven't explained....you'll contradict God by saying God is greater than himself and that God sent himself and became a slave forever to himself(1 corinthians 15:24-28)....hope you see were this fallacy of the trinity or modalism as I see it to be is leading you to??......

I'm coming with the definition of Yahweh......

But for a start it means ""I SHALL PROVE TO BE WHAT I SHALL PROVE TO BE"" and also "" I AM THAT I AM""..........more is coming

hisblud: Boomark God bless you to the infinity

Ijawkid God bless you to the infinity

Plapville God bless you to the infinity

Frosbel God bless you to the infinity

All anti-Godhead God bless you all to the infinity

Azonto dancing la la la am just favored too much. Thank you Jesus Christ for john 1.22

And what is this??....your there dancing while you still have many scriptures to explain that shows Jesus is different from his GOD and that he is less than GOD....scriptures are all over the place....anony just watered down a profound truth by saying Jesus being a servant of God does not make Jesus less than GOD............

1 corinthians 15:24-28 was quoted....we are wainting for your reply....

Mr_Anony: My friend, where are you getting your facts from. You cannot keep saying that something is scriptural without showing us the scripture that makes it so.

You are still arguing a strawman. I don't contest that no one has seen God (in His true Spirit nature) what I am contesting is when you say that "God cannot take the form of a man". Stop twisting it into something else.

The scripture doesn't help you because you agree that God has taken the form of fire and cloud, and the fire and cloud were seen. So it is clear that it is not a problem for God to take a physical form. Why then is it a problem for God to take a human form? What is so wrong with the human form?

It is also sad that when scripture is pointed out to you that shows that God can and indeed took a human form, you immediately write it off as "spurious" Why?

So my friend, where exactly are you getting your theology from?

The fire the men saw was it GOD??......which scripture have you opened that showed God took on human form??......1 timothy 3:16??.....uh??......oh and that GOD died??....you are funny bro.........if this is the garbage you hold on to then I'm sorry for you..........

If the simple fact that no one has ever seen God is beyond your comprehension then you really need to sit back and think........

It was Jesus,the son of GOD who came as flesh and not GOD............that is why john 3:16 says God sent his son and not himself......

Mr_Anony: Lol...... And Jesus sent God's Spirit. Who is greater? I have told you before that one person sending another does not denote greatness as you know it in the Godhead. In fact when Jesus teaches the apostles greatness, he does it by taking the form of a servant.

Nope you are totally wrong....scriptures do say Jesus has a head ovee him,not just somebody who sends him on an errand.....Jesus has a GOD he worships...I bet you had forgotten that.....Jesus calls the Father my GOd...how does that sound to you??.....doesn't Jesus worshipping another being and calling another being ""MY GOD"" shows he is inferior to that being??.....

Mr_Anony: Lol, yes I did. What is the meaning of Yahweh? Does Yahweh not simply mean "I AM"

It doesn't .......and you know it doesn't bro.....if not any where I see the expression ""I AM"" I can assume its the tetragrammaton.........again you err for saying Jesus' name is Yahweh and that he is Yahweh...

Mr_Anony: Digressing from the issue now are we? Lol.

It has become clear to me that you are simply being a blind fanatic here. Jesus has called Himself by titles that no man or angel would dare call himself. Jesus has exhibited power that can only belong to God. You have seen this clear as day and yet you refuse to believe.

Jesus was given powers he exhibited.........you forgot to add that........that is why you were once told Jesus isn't all - powerful...there is someone more powerful than him..if you doubt scriptures can be opened right now

Mr_Anony: I think you missed the point of what I was really showing you there compare again Isaiah 40:10 and Revelations 22:12-13. Who is the one coming to bring judgement on the last day?

Those verses all apply to Yahweh who will bring jugdement and rule through his son Jesus Christ......isaiah 53:1 tells us who represents the arm of the almighty LORD...and that is Jesus.......

Jesus would come to execute judgement at the command of his God and Father.......

I want you to go through malachi 3:1-6 to see how malachi expressed a joint coming of Yahweh,the angel/messenger of the covenant (Jesus)......

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It still stands that ALPHA and OMEGA in revelation strictly aPplies to Yahweh and not to Jesus.......

Mr_Anony: This is just like saying that God cannot turn a woman into a man or make an old man young again because it is not in the bible. You are presenting absence of proof as proof for your claim. That is wrong.

It also doesn't help matters when the verses where God has become man are shown to you but you write them of as "spurious" just because you want to hold on to a claim that is found nowhere in scripture.

When you laid out that list, I dutifully provided scriptural backing for all of them except the one where you said that "God cannot take the form of a man"

Please my friend provide scriptural proof for this claim of yours because at the moment it is looking like your invention and not scripture

I didn't ask you to lay down scriptures for those points I made,they were already facts just like as it remains a fact that no one can see God and yet live........

God can make the old young again.that's a fact.its scriptural...but it is unscriptural to say God was once a man and also died.....that is a big lie...

hisblud: Show that verse please thanks

You're on a long thing bro......it has been established God has never been seen neither can he be seen and that GOD cannot die....you and anony can wallow in your ignorance....................


Keep holding on to exodus like your life is dependent on it while Jesus has revealed the same consistent truth about the one and only true GOD that no man can see and that can never die...........

hisblud: Fail!Ex 24:9-11
9 Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and the seventy elders of Israel went up 10 and saw the God of Israel. Under his feet was something like a pavement made of sapphire, clear as the sky itself. 11 But God did not raise his hand against these leaders of the Israelites; they saw God, and they ate and drank.
NIV

Bros it said literary, they (leaders not the people) SAW yet God did not raise His hand against them. But its the people that saw the glory. Why was that statement in vs 11 say God did not raise His hand against them if not that they (leaders)saw yet He chose not to lift His hand against them?

You are dwelling on the fact that they literally saw God when Jesus said no one has seen him.......was Jesus drunk or had forgotten the incident at exodus??...........

NO man has ever seen GOd neither has anyman seen God and lived.....

Mr_Anony: So God can take the form of a cloud or a fire but He cannot take the form of a man. Why? Back up with scripture please.

And I guess fire is an animate person ??...so your telling me that the nobles and others seeing Gods glory in form of fire means God was the fire??......

All they saw was fire(God glory) and not GOD himself..........

People saw Jesus and killed him....That can't happen with GOD.....impossible.....

It would be like saying saul who later became paul saw Jesus literally when on his way to damascus because he saw a ""bright light flash around him"".....

Mr_Anony: Scriptural reference please.

The proof is every where..God has never been a man through out his existence......no one has seen God............God cannot be seen so he wouldn't materialize for any of us to see....its against who he is,just as I told you that God cannot lie even when we know he can choose to lie and get away with it........

hisblud: fail!

Fail again!


Fail again again!

This is all you were asked

Hmmm...smh...and all I did was show you why it is useless to even ask that question..........

God can't
1....He is a spirit....never was he a man......all other spirit creatures could materialize and be seen(including Jesus) except Yahweh who ofcus by nature can't be seen......

His attribute makes it impossible for God to take up human form....if you and anony can't see this then na ona sabi....

Mr_Anony: my dear friend, attacking a strawman will not help you.

It is interesting you would bring up the name "Yahweh" because what Yahweh simply means is "I AM". So my dear it doesn't change anything. The Son is Yahweh, The Father is Yahweh and the Holy Spirit is Yahweh. Yahweh is the same one and only being and He exists as multiple persons.

Also, it was very amusing to see you try to cook up an explanation for Jesus Christ calling Himself First and Last in Rev. 2:8,

Could you also apply it to Rev 1:11, Rev 22:12-13,

Another interesting thing that perhaps you didn't notice is that When Christ addresses the Churches, He first starts by addressing Himself as the Alpha and the Omega, the Son of God then He ends by saying "Let He that has ears listen to what the Spirit is saying" (Rev 2:7,11,17,29) Who has talking here? The Son or the Father or the Holy Spirit? Or One Multi-personal God?



I'll throw in something else here that made me jump for joy when I read it. Here it is.


“I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, and the bright Morning Star.” Revelations 22:16


Did you notice anything there? JESUS SENT HIS ANGEL! Now who else sends His angels on errands in the bible? Yes you guessed it: God the Father!

Jesus sent his angels while GOD sent Jesus...so who's greater..??.Jesus gives an angel reveleations to give to John while GOD gave Jesus the revelations...............its surprising for you to think that Jesus being reffered to as the first and last would mean he is the same or equal to GOD whilst you quoted a verse from revelation that called Jesus the son of GOD.....its funny I have to tell you.....



And for you to finally say Jesus is Yahweh and so also the holy spirit I think I have to call it a day with you......this is the silliest thing I've ever heard in my whole life.......show me from the scriptures were the messiahs name is Yahweh...(The tetragrammaton).....
Telling us Jesus is Yahweh would mean you re-writing a new bible.........
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Oh I forgot....Jesus was also called a morning star...right??.....I guess he should be satan(lucifer) if I'm not mistaken,since you can't get the sense of the truth when Jesus is said to be the first and the last.....

hisblud: do we see a shifting of grounds, accepting that They can both use the First and Last clause?

Did I argue that??.....I only corrected anony by saying revelation 1:8 was reffereing to no other person than Yahweh who has always been the almighty GOD.......don't u get??...

hisblud: broza, are you reading what you wrote up kuwa? so if i should get you write;
First of all THE word FIRSTBORN (prototokos) was not used in rev 2:8 but FIRST(protos), thus by changing the word, you must change the meaning and
Secondly, if we are to accept it was refering to Firstborn from the dead, then it means that He is also LASTBORN from the dead which we know the scripture has never said such except you will kindly show us.

Even if I cling the word ""first" alone it still doesn't change the point I'm making does it??......isn't Jesus the first person to be ressurected and granted immortality??......

Or do you want me to start explaining the word first.??..........Jesus is the first of persons who experienced ressurection......

Those verses in revelation gave the reasons why Jesus is the first and last......and the reply is::....he died and was ressurected and would live forever...................

hisblud: @ijawkid
kindly reconcile this verse with your ideology of man not seeing God!

Exodus 24:16-18
New International Version (NIV)
16 and the glory of the LORD settled on Mount
Sinai. For six days the cloud covered the
mountain, and on the seventh day the LORD
called to Moses from within the cloud. 17 To
the Israelites the glory of the LORD looked
like a consuming fire on top of the mountain.
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Reading the verses after verse 11 clearly shows those persons were able to behold GODs glory and not literally GOD himself.......all persons in the past who had made statement of seeing God face to face,saw Gods representatives(angels) or got a vision of GOD glory........they were in Gods presence.....

Gods word still remains consistent...that no man can see God and yet live and that no man has seen God at anytime........Jesus reiterated that clear fact but you guys are battling with it just to prove that the same Jesus is GOD who no man has seen....

If you think Yahweh literally sat down with moses and the nobles to eat then you must be joking big time........you err mr hisbud........

Mr_Anony: Let me remind you of what i demanded of you because it seems you didn't get it. here it is again:

Please provide scriptural back up for "God cannot take a human form"

Did it ever occur to you that God cannot be seen therefore meaning he can't take up human form in order to be seen??.........if you can't grasp this simple truth then i SMH!!!.....

Ok what would be the reason for GOD taking up human form??...is it not so that he can be seen??......abi was Jesus invincible when he came to the earth!??..........sorry to irk you,God cannot be seen and has never been seen.......so taking up human form can never be part of Gods agenda...

FACT:: there was never a time GOD took up human form.......except you expect him to do that in the future...........

Mr_Anony: Here you go.


"This is what the LORD says--Israel's King and Redeemer, the LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no God." Isa 44:6

Now compare with:


"I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty." Rev 1:8

Also compare with:

"Behold, I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone according to what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. Rev 22:12-13

And finally compare with:

See, the Sovereign LORD comes with power, and his arm rules for him. See, his reward is with him, and his recompense accompanies him. Isaiah 40:10


Now please tell me if Jesus Christ is not the same Alpha and Omega, Almighty God that will come again and reward both the just and unjust

Kindly read my reply to hisbud on this......

Jesus is not the alpha and omega the LORD GOD almighty mentioned in revelation 1:8...rather it was Yahweh who in verse 1 was giving Jesus revelations to give to john....

How you want to squeeze Jesus into revelation 1:8 exposes the wayo you intend to play.......

For clarification let's see this ::..

Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
I am The Alap and The Tau, says THE LORD
JEHOVAH God, he who is and has been and is
coming, The Almighty.
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That verse is directly related to the scriptures you quoted from isaiah which confirms that Yahweh is the only true GOD and the almighty......he is the alpha and the omega being that there is no other GOD but him.........

Try harder bro.........

hisblud: Mr anony showed you the verse rev 2.8 and that in isaiah, yet you still dont want to believe. Oh was it spuriously rendered... Hmm let me see it in NIV, one of the unspurious translation and also the greek picture for you to satisfy your mind. In addition, i copied the meaning of the greek words for you to study.

Oh and let me clear you up on rev 2:8 and the book of isaiah....it seems your oga has showed you a scripture you might want to hold on to with all your life..let me just spoil a little show for you both.....

let's look at the isaiah you quoted....if you had read it contextually you would have found out how How being the" first and last" could apply to both the almighty GOD(Yahweh) and also to his son....when ever that expression is used the reasons for it being used is given in the verses....
Isaiah 44:6..

##.World English Bible

This is what Yahweh, the King of Israel, and
his Redeemer, Yahweh of Armies, says: "I am
the first, and I am the last; and besides me
there is no God.
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Up there we see from that verse that Yahweh was reffered to as the first and last as regards who the only true GOD is and who the isrealites should worship only.....before Yahweh and after Yahweh there proved to be no other GOD and rival......that is why he said ""besides me there is no God" ..ofcus that verse gives no space for Jesus to be tagged a co-equal with GOD or to be the almighty as you falsely say..........anytime Yahweh told the isrealites he is ""the first and last" it was to help the isrealites see that there is no other GOD but him...
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Let's consider the revelation 2:8 you quoted...

New International Version (©1984)
"To the angel of the church in Smyrna write:
These are the words of him who is the First
and the Last, who died and came to life again.

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The expression used there in that verse was as regards to Jesus' death and ressurection....Jesus was the first born from the dead and there would be none after him......

Again let's confirm this from revelations 1:17-18...

New International Version (NIV)
17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though
dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and
said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the
Last. 18 I am the Living One; I was dead, and
now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I
hold the keys of death and Hades.
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Once more Jesus being reffered to as the first and last strictly was akin to his death and ressurection not to any other thing......



You guys have assumed that the title ""first and last"" must be a title of divinity........and so Jesus must be GOD or equal to his GOD.You err big time.....

You have also forgotten that such expressions can be used to describe the actions of humans........


.you guys forget to read the scriptures clearly to see why such expressions are used and what they mean when applied to individuals........ It would be like me saying because the scriptures call reffered to Jesus with the titles that also apply to us such as::::SERVANT,APOSTLE,SON,KING etc means that we are co-equals with Jesus.........

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Let me outline this basic fact...::: ONLY A CREATED BEING can say he was dead.......once again I put it to you and your cohorts that GOD cannot die....it is impossible for GOD to die and be ressurected........
Its impossile..

Mr_Anony: Setting up another strawman now are we?



True. (Numbers 23:19)

True. God is Good (Psalm 100:5)

True. God is the greatest (Isaiah 40:25)

True. God can never cease to exist He is everlasting (Psalm 90:2)

True. God God is perfect (Matthew 5:48)

False. Please provide scriptural back up for "God cannot take a human form"



I will add one more for you.

True (Luke 4:8 )

Lol....but I thought God could do everything according to your philosphy of him been able to take up human form and then be killed...I thought with God every thing is impossible even if it goes against his attributes and who he is......

Oh you want me to quote a scripture that God can't take up human form??...it has been quoted a zillion times here.......

God told moses at exodus 33:20 and also corroborating it with john 6:46 and 1 john 4:12
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##.New International Version (©1984)
But," he said, "you cannot see my face, for no
one may see me and live."

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##..New Living Translation (©2007)
But you may not look directly at my face, for
no one may see me and live."
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##English Standard Version (©2001)
But,” he said, “you cannot see my face, for man
shall not see me and live.”
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GOD has stated that no man shall see him and yet live......its just an impossibility for GOD to come to man face to face except its his delight to see us dead.........that is why God sent his son to come explain the Father to us.....

Mr anony repeat Yahwehs words to moses..::::""FOR NO MAN MAY SEE ME and YET LIVE""......

It is just impossible for God to be seen more or else taken up human form........

once again::::: no man has seen GOD....NO MAN.....

hisblud: @Mr anony, broza, reading the first line, i stood up, went and washed my face and brushed came back to continue and when i read down the quoted, i started dancing azonto on my bed choi this is the deal breaker. you have answered ijawkid at the same time, who is requesting to know does God die... there is his answer facing him. think i would be switching from now on to the "unspurious" translation that it speaks to them of the Godhood of Christ.Could this be the mystery(musterion) referred by Paul in 1 tim 3:16? I think so; can they accept it....na, its a sacred secret...

Do you think the word "trinity" is confusing them, first becos its not in the scripture and secondly becos even pagan dieties are refered as "trinity" as well, father, mother and son contrasted with the blessed Father, Son and Holy Spirit?[/b]

[b]I propose that instead of "trinity" lets use the "Godhead", i feel that will be clearer to em peeps. those in support say yea....yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, the yeas have it

How won't you dance azonto to someone who misconstrued bible truths just to support the fact that GOD can die....I believe this is what you teach people...that God of which its an impossibility for him to die,came to the earth and was killed(died)........sorry to say this...Jesus christ worshipped the one and only living GOD.....for Christ sake we and Jesus worship Just one living GOD...............please read john 20:17 if you've forgotten to........

GOD cannot die and has never been seen by any man......

hisblud: @ijawkid
using the scenes,
For e.g
scene 1: James was going to school.
Scene 2: He saw abigail and called out to her.

thus from the above, the "He" in Scene 2 would be refering to James in scene 1.

but if we have it in this way

scene 1: James was going to school.
Scene 2: Paul drove in his car.
scene 3:He saw abigail and called out to her.

contextually, the "He" would not be refering to James but Paul. You get my drift.

Apply to the quoted verses, by the way, why use the "spurious" KJV instead of the "unspurious" NIV lol

scene 1
Acts 4:10-11
10 then know this, you and all the people of Israel: It is by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified but whom God raised from the dead,

scene 2
that this man stands before you healed.

scene 3
11 He is "'the stone you builders rejected,
which has become the capstone.'
NIV


It somehow shows a two scene but lets leave it at three. this "unspurious" rendering speaks of Jesus, take scene 2 above, "that" is refering to the distant pronoun "whom" and its Jesus Christ, not the healed man.


You can still add another "unspurious" translation
Scene 1
Acts 4:10-12
10 let me clearly state to you and to all the people of Israel that it was done in the name and power of Jesus from Nazareth, the Messiah, the man you crucified-but God raised back to life again.

Scene 2
It is by his authority that this man stands here healed!

Scene 3
11 [b]For Jesus the Messiah [/b]is (the one referred to in the Scriptures when they speak of ) a 'stone discarded by the builders which became the capstone of the arch.'

TLB

Hmm, using another "unspurious" translation,

2 John 7

scene 1
7 Many deceivers,

scene 2
who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world.

scene 3
Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.
NIV

"Who" is the pronoun that scene 3 is refering to, and mind you "Jesus Christ" is a noun not a pronoun. quoted from NIV

I would have used the NIV or any other translation but I chose to use the same kjv to prove that they made a mistake in adding theos to verse 16 of that chapter.....there is no way I would have better shown how pronouns are used and who they refer to if I used another translation in order to show you why the rendering in verse 16 is a fraud...........the NIV ofcus went straight ahead in the examples I gave to tell us who the decievers are...I used the same kjv to show the truth...........

If you have not been blinded by this cursed dogma you would see the truth......

Mr_Anony: . , The Almighty Lord of Hosts and God of all creation.
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This statement is a fraud and not found in the scriptures....Jesus isn't the almighty....show me from the scriptures.....

Besides Jesus was created,he had a beginning......you have escaped from that truth like a thief running from the cops.....

You still have blatantly denied Jesus being a servant of GOD as the OP said.....you are a fraud....a big one.........

Mr_Anony: Lol, seriously where did you get that from?

Its there in the scriptures you've been opening...maybe colossians 1 would help you out...

Mr_Anony: I told Barristers to read my answer to honeychild and I suggest you read it too because once you come to terms with the fact that Christ gave up His God privileges and humbled Himself to become a man, His limitations during His human lifetime immediately cease to be an issue.

That made him say he doesn't know the day and the hour but "only" the Father??.......hmmmm......wayo at its peak..........how can GOD who came to earth not know something he ought to know.....maybe God suffered from amnesia because he took the form of a man....right??.........once again you just contradicted GOD who is all knowing by saying he didn't know an important information at a particular point in time in his existence...keep blaspheming GOD......

Barrister would handle you well on this particular issue...meanwhile you've erred big time............

From ANONY's view of God ,that we can't limit Gods abilities he is indirectly saying that GOD can do anything even if it is not who GOD is or part of Gods attributes...........

Pointing out facts like
1..God cannot die..
2.God can and has never been seen by man...

Anony through his philosophy has said it is possible for GOD to against who he is......
he(anony) forgets that in reality it is impossible for God to do somethings or undergo some things.....

1...It is impossible for GOD to lie..
2...It is impossible for GOD to be wicked..
3...It is impossible for GOD to have a head over him or a superior..
4...It is impossible for GOD to die(never).....
5...It is impossible for GOD to be imperfect...
6..It is impossible for any man to see GOD and live(God has always been a spirit and has never being a man at any point in through out his existence)......
Etc
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We can't say that because there's nothing impossible for God to do so it is possible for GOD to do the impossible's mentioned above.......God is who he is...he can't contradict himself,but as we can see anony is doing the opposite....

This is the last time I'm gonna discuss this issue with anony......

Mr_Anony: Lol, so Jesus is also the First and Last yet He is not God?

Jesus is the first and last in that he was the first person to be ressurected by GOD and granted immortality.........he is also the 1st born of Gods creation......that is how Jesus is the 1st and last in revelations..
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Once again I reiterate::::

GOD has never been seen and GOD cannot die.....take your false message out of this place..........
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You still haven't answered barristers question why Jesus who is presumably GOD according to you does not know the day and hour when the end will come,but only the Almighty??.......you still have much questions to answer...but as usual you would run around with your wack philosophies............

From this moment I'll cease discussing the trinity with you....you have reduced GOD to a man that was once seen and killed........I won't be surprised when one day you say GOD can lie,....that it is possible for GOD to lie since nothing is impossible for him to do........