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Zikkyy: You are saying a lot of things you don't understand. Kindly tell us how the celebration was forced on Christ.

Because y'all insist the birthday of Christ must be celebrated and on a false date.......Christ himself never celebrated his birthday let alone allowing humans presumptuously choosing to do so and again on a pagan date...............don't you see it??................

Christ has never been part of xmas..never!!!.....get him out of it....you guys can enjoy yourself but leave Christ out of this...his not part of pagan practices and customs

Zikkyy: How? Please tell us.

It has made professed christians one and the same with pagans.....xmas has even made many pagans remain pagans.......of what use is it becoming a christian when I would still engage in the same pagan acts I once practiced??...........ofcus muslims,atheists and the Jews would be laughing so hard seeing how many professed christians engage in the saturnalia celebration while hiding behind the cloak of celebrating Christs birthday which he never initiated..............

My bro its a shame.....pagans are laughing at us.........Christmas has done nothing but recruit more and more pagans.........

Zikkyy: And just before I sign off, I will like to use this opportunity to wish my anti-xmas brother's and sister (ljawkid, truthislight & plappville) a very merry Xmas celebration. Wishing you a 'bombastic' Xmas . Please don't drink and drive, I very much want to read your posts in year 2013

Lol.....I'll be around bro......but abeg na the xmas celebrants wey you for nak this message give,because majority must drunk today then do many yeye things....lol......

Zikkyy: I understand your point. But also understand that gift giving is not being done today because it is saturnalia custom to give. If I give extra on Christmas day (i give on other days) because I consider that day special & and the giving was done out of genuine love for the recipient, what's wrong with that?

The day I will join your camp is the day peeps begin to justify Xmas as a command from God. It is strictly a creation of man. What is important is to try and ensure our actions are acceptable to the Almighty.

Hmmm...............zikky you surprise me a lot....ok this is how we wiLl do it.........you guys can scream merry xmas for all you can and celebrate it,but don't you guys dare attach our Lord Jesus to it......there's no connection @ all..........my problem with you is that you are not looking @ the reasons why xmas is celebrated because you just wanna do it...that is why I said"" you guys are forcing xmas on Jesus""....................it has been proven from all angles that xmas is a fraud and its pagan,but still you uphold it...........smh.......the celebration of xmas has done nothing but bring shame on christianity as a whole.......and don't tell non-christians that Jesus is happy with a celebration that was forced on Him......Jesus does never has taken pleasure in mixing paganism and the service of God

Zikkyy: All I have done is show that the receipt or giving of gift is not a sin. You guys make look like it is a sin. The intent of the man giving or receiving a gift matters whether It's Xmas or any other day. Giving of gift on Xmas day is not what makes Xmas wrong.

Making it a custom to exchange gifts on a set aside day in imitation of a pagan festival is what is wrong and no early 1st century christian practiced such kind of giving..........

Almost everyone if not all who celebrates christmas exchange gifts because its the exact custom of the saturlania which it was taken from nÓt because its part of christian giving........that is my point........

Zikkyy: I told you to drop this date issue. So if its celebrated sometime mid year, it will not be a fraud abi? Is there any date one can celebrate the birth of Christ? A pagan feast free day? If you know of such kindly advice those that celebrate Xmas so they can reschedule the Xmas feast.

Lol........must you celeb®ate the birth of Jesus??....na must??..........only pagans in the past had that drive in celebrating the birthdays of gods and peoples.........

All I can see from x…mas celebration is that its celebrants has forced the celebration on Jesus.............because till today I never see wetin concern Jesus with xmas....if you don see tell me..............

Zikkyy: What's wrong with the exchange of gifts? Even apostle paul received gifts. What's wrong with the 'christmas tree'? Is it not a tree made by God? So one should not go near any plant and animal because pagans use them. You guys are making a mess of this anti Xmas argument.

Paul receive gift on xmas daÝ??...ok sorry them never begin celebrate xmas that time..na saturnalia e been be.................the early christians received gifts everyday from the brethrens.......a particular day was never planned for. Exchange of gifts....it is the saturlania that brought about that.....

I hope you know what the use of trees in pagaÑ festivals symbolizes..........

I'm nÓt saying don't go near a plant or a tree,but don't use them in festivals that have been dedicated to idols............the use of the xmas tree was adopted straight from paganism........Jesus has nothing to do with xmas trees............

Zikky you know better na...........

I want all christmas celebrants to check up PAGAN9JA's post.......

www.nairaland.com/1141847/let-us-worship-sun

the real owners of the xmas celebration are also commemorating the birthday of the sun GOD........

So I wonder...............what's the difference??.....

alexleo: Whichever way the choose to clebrate whatever is their business. For us we are celebrating Jesus and there is nothing unbiblical about celebrating Jesus. I ve given out verses where the birth of Jesus was celebrated.

How was it celebrated??.......and was it commemorated??............won't you exchange gifts tomorrow??don't you have xmas trees hung around your house??.....celebrating the birth day of Jesus on dec 25th is a big time fraud.........Jesus does not have any dealings with fraud and paganÍsm.......you think Jesus would be smiling from the heavens that his so called followers snatcheÐ both the date and customs of the worship and celebration of the birthday of the SUN god(saturnalia)Ànd attaching it to him??..........

A POPE presumptuously chose deÇ 25th as Jesus' birthday...........I hope you know that??.....

hisblud: Attention: All you that dislike Jesus Christ being called God - read my lips- JESUS CHRIST IS THE BEGOTTEN GOD!shikenan

We don't dislike Jesus....we love him...he is the head of man(1 corinthians 11:3),and the Lord of the church......if anyone has chosen to hate Jesus just like the muslims and the Jews we have today it would be because of people like you....
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we can't sit down and watch you guys insult the Father(Yahweh) by saying his own son whom he created is equal to him.....if you guys had existed amongst even the apostles who were Jews you would have had it tough with them.........
Its good you said Jesus is the only begotten god..since the word ""God"" is your problem...........but as you said he was begotten and that is ok..... don't forget also to add that this Jesus is the image of the one and only true GOD the Father.............thank you......

Ihedinobi: You know, for all your bragging you have still never solved the problem that Hebrews 1:8-12 posed for your stance. Even when I showed you that your darling New World Translation held what a bunch of other translations held: that the Father ascribed to the Lord Jesus Christ qualities that belong only to the Almighty, all you could do was complain that such a passage could be in the Bible.

It only takes enormous pompousity and the feeling that you are especially privileged to possess some knowledge that the "majority" does not have to become so blind to Truth. There is no portion of the Bible that does not hold the Supreme Deity of the Father, the Word (Who became Son at a point in history) and the Spirit, regardless what you and your cohorts do with the Scriptures. I mean, your favorite translation judges you wrong even. As the Scriptures say, out of your own mouth you will be judged.

And what about hebrews ....I'll focus on verse 10-12 because verses 8 $ 9 is clear for every one to see that Jesus has a GOD...""That is why God your God anointed you with oil of exultation more than your "PARTNERS" so verses 8 $ 9 says........

Now as regards verses 10-12 were it said the son laid the foundations of the earth and that the heavens are the works of his hand shouldn't be a prop for you to think Jesus is equal with his Father or that he is the Father........Yahweh the almighty performed his creative works through his son...Jesus was an agent of creation of which he is the first of all creative works of Yahweh........colossians 1:15-16 tells us that....Jesus was the beginning of Gods ways,while he(Jesus) was given the great priviledge by his Father to take part in creation after been created by Yahweh.........the only reason why hebrews would confuse u is that you've chosen to believe that Jesus is equal to his Father even when verse 9 says Yahweh is the GOD of Jesus and he(Yahweh) annointed Jesus and exulted him more than his contemporaries..........Jesus still remains the image of the invisible GOD(meaning Yahweh is greater than him and also created Jesus) which is definitly not Jesus.....,Jesus remains a servant of Yahweh 247 and forever....,......Jesus remains the son of God for all eternity..........
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If this clear facts aint clear to you then you'll end up being the pompous one who has clearly refused to agree that the only one true GOD is the Father whom Jesus himself worshipped..........1 corinthians 8:6 and ephesians 4:6.........

Boomark: there will be no riot. The police are ever ready to handle the belligerent nature of some atheists.

We believe that we will unite one day. Cos one with God is majority.

Logicboy is not a humble humanbeing.
He is belligerent
he is bellicosious
he is aggressive
he is violent
he is unconscious
he is insultive
he is insensitive
he is a heathen
he dosent listen
he doesn't help the needy
he wants to marry a Christian

atimes e dey be me like say make i put my hand in side nairaland and give him a dirty slap.

Goshen stands for humility. He teaches and listen. Get ready for what is call "GoshMB." A free megabyte package for all his voters to visit NL for 1yr.

If i continue listing his qualities and all he will do, seun will charge me for advert. Not that we don't have money for Ads, but we want to keep low profile for now.

Goshen is so matured........na my elder brother o from another family...

musKeeto: How?

That it is Gods will or plan for those kids to die is so wrong!!!......

Logicboy03: "it is all God's plan...God is good and he even sacrificed his own son"

This is wrong........

Todaynatoday: ^^^^^ What do you have against Jehovah Witnesses? What makes you to believe that they don't have the Holy Spirit?

Just leave the guy.....him never jam trailer before..............he will tell me how this scripture he quoted has affected 9ja the professed holy ghost(wrong expression) country................if I ready for this OP him go run....the Op is ignorant of the facts recorded in the book of galatians 5:22 $ 23
(NIV)
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy,
peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness,
faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control.
Against such things there is no law.
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You expect the witnessÉs going around decieving themselves like you do claiming you've got the holy ghost all over you by performing fake miracles and speaking in fake tounges when you are suppose to be exuding the fruitages of Gods spirit??........witnesses are realistic christians who read scriptures to see its meaning in our time......

Yooguyz: I know of mark 16:17."these signs shall follow them THAT BELIEVE...."Which conotes a future continous construct
Acts 2:17."....ON THE LAST DAYS...POUR OUT MY SPIRIT UPON ALL FLESH..."those are the ones i can think off.Actually a JW came to my home today and she agreed to a bible talk based on miracles,tongues,e.t.c. On xmas day so i'll be expecting them on Tuesday. I agreed to the talk because i want to use that opportunity to get them saved and filled with the holy ghost..if you know of any bible verses plz keep them coming!

Chei I wish say na me....you go run leave ya house by the time I'm through with you............smh!!!!!........we will start with the xmas you are celebrating then move on to the discussion proper...

musKeeto: Lol @ logicboy. But the tpia wannabe won't understand. It's not written in the Bible.

Abi, is it?

David and Bathsheba.
The Holy Spirit and Mary.

Are you sayÍng God told david to commit adulte®y by stealing bathsheba from her husband??uh??......or that God applauded david for his atrociou§ actions??smh!!!

Delafruita: at least someone understands

a craze man understands Ànd you're happy??....

inurmind: The reason why alot of us put so much effort into trying to convince people that god does not exist is because the negative effects of religion greatly surpass it's positive ones.
believe me, if religion was doing good to the world I really would not mind.
but it isn't, so we must make all the blind and ignorant folks see.

What negetive effects??.......negative effects that atheist like your type don't contribute to??............

Logicboy03: Helping poor peeps in africa by sending money and doing some charity work

Comon sharrap there.!!!...which charity??.........you get money to do charity work??.........

Reyginus: Ijawkid will handle that one for now.

Reygie you knw na...-i always got baygon by my side for that muskeeto of a boy/man

saintvc: noooo, logic boy wil win ooo. Dat guy argues a lot. I wonder if he is a lawyer

Na lie o.....we go give am mr anony the DON to contend with ......

musKeeto: I swear to, ehm, who I go swear to now sef?

If na presidential debate, I for vote deep sight, frosbel go be vp (na im destiny be dat).

Hahahaha.....I knw say you dey feel deep sight die...........

OLAADEGBU: Is it not hypocritical of you and your folks to abandon the threads I opened on this subject only for you to open another one here and then cry wolf?

Here are some of the threads your JW gang abandoned:

https://www.nairaland.com/1067350/another-look-trinity/7#up

https://www.nairaland.com/1038080/wonderful-truth-trinity/16

https://www.nairaland.com/531625/evidence-deity-christ/17

We didn't abandon it..rather you were so useless by uploading images and vidoes of God knows what......besides you are no different from your colleagues who have opened there mouth to say God can die and did die.....if ever take you idolaters serious again eh.....

cyrexx: Logic Logic Logic !!!

Go forward and claim your throne. Even some theists (few resonable ones among them) cannot deny your impact on nairaland.

We dey your back gidigba.

No shaking.

we for organize presidential debate o..because this election no go easy.

Boomark: You said it dosent bother you when you see one person in the Godhead subject himself to another. Have you ever seen God the Father subject Himself to the Son or Holyspirit? Do have scriptural proof?

Same question I've been asking that anony keeps running from,claiming that running errands for someone doesn't mean being subordinate to that person.........

According to anony who said Jesus was playing a role momentarily(while on earth) as Gods servant and subject,he forgot to read the same bOok of revelation where Jesus in the heaven still refers to the Father as his GOD and also at 1 corinthians 15:27-28 where Jesus is made subject to the Father for all eternity.......

1 corinthians 11:3 although being evaded by anony and his crew shows that in the heavens Jesus is a subject to the Father...

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1 corinthians 11:3

##GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
However, I want you to realize that Christ has
authority over every man, a husband has
authority over his wife, and God has authority
over Christ.

##..
New International Version (©1984)
Now I want you to realize that the head of
every man is Christ, and the head of the
woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.


##New Living Translation (©2007)
But there is one thing I want you to know: The
head of every man is Christ, the head of
woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.
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If after reading this scriptures someone still comes out to say Jesus is equal to his GOD or not a subject of his GOD(for all eternity) then I'll have to assume such person to be a drunkard.....smh!!!!!!

inurmind: no way man, I can never stoop to your level.
it's more like an ode

Lol........those words sÓunded...........?....

Some more questions for anony and his crew to ruminate on....

Anony said Jesus running errands for God does not mean God is greater than him(even when Jesus has said it with his mouth that the Father is greater than he is) ...and that running errands for someone does not mean that the person being sent is inferior to the sender.....one thing mr anony failed to establish and acknowledge is that Jesus is SUBJECT to Yahweh,not just temporarily but forever..Jesus doesn't just run errands for Yahweh because he's just humble while Yahweh might be termed as the proud one,Jesus runs errands because he is subject to Yahweh and must be a messenger of the one and only true GOD else be termed a renegade like satan....Jesus is under obligation to be submissive and obedient to his GOD and Father because he is less than his Father.....that's why I'll say anony is fraudulent with this discussion......



Let's take a look at this profound truth together..

1 peter 3:22

##New International Version (©1984)
who has gone into heaven and is at God's right
hand--with angels, authorities and powers in
submission to him.


##New Living Translation (©2007)
Now Christ has gone to heaven. He is seated in
the place of honor next to God, and all the
angels and authorities and powers accept his
authority.


##English Standard Version (©2001)
who has gone into heaven and is at the right
hand of God, with angels, authorities, and
powers having been subjected to him.
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My questions:::
1...If the angels are made subject to Jesus just as Jesus is subject to the Father,can we say from anony's stance that the angels are co equal with Jesus since being subject to someone does not necessarily mean that the person being made a subject is a subordinate or lesser one ??...
2..Will the angels be subjects to Jesus temporarily or permanently??..
3..Is Jesus subject to the Father?? ....Yes or No??...if Yes for how long??if No then prove Jesus isn't subject to the Father with the scriptures...(Have 1 corinthians 15:27 $ 28 at the back of your minds).......
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@Hisbud......you §till haven't replied how jacob seeing esau's face was like seeing Gods face.......I want you to juxtapose jacobs words to esau and then Jesus' words to his disciples that ""he that has seen me has seen the Father"".........
Once again I'll tell you you err big time to keep pushing that the Father was seen or has been seen,even when Jesus said no man has seen GOD.....you need to allign your thoughts strictly to fundamental truths if not you'll keep telling people that God died....now I see why muslims are ever ready to kill trinitarians and why the Jews have discarded the new testament and also Jesus as the promised messiah because of the likes of you,anony and all other trinitarians..........

Logicboy03: Finally, Goshen is leading by 1

NTORRRRR!!!!!!!!!......

inurmind: LOGICBOY
like a bird he flies
LOGICBOY
in the wings of freedom he rides

a true hero to truth
a true advocate of youth
a devil to the blind
light to the ignorant
water to the mind
a knight ever gallant

oh rise SIR LOGICBOY
rise and claim your throne
spread your wings beyond
spread and let it grow

This sounds more like worship o............

Logicboy03: Your ignorance is speaking.


I am not moral because I am an atheist. I am moral because I am a human being and I am a humanist.

And who told you you are moral....you immoral agaracha....lol...