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Christianity EtcRe: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by ijawkid(m): 11:29am On Dec 26, 2012
Zikkyy: True talk. But I know my people, they pretend you did not make this post.
True2God forgets that paganism and service to God shouldn't mix............abi him no know??...trying to justify why xmas is celebrated has no basis in the scriputures......you guys can keep celebrating,but don't attach Jesus to it.....Jesus never for once worshipped other gods so as to celebrate birthdays or set a legacy for his servants to follow..........he worshipped only Yahweh........and worshipping Yahweh had to do with staying far away from pagan customs and practices.....
Christianity EtcRe: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by ijawkid(m): 11:25am On Dec 26, 2012
alexleo: Pagans cannot celebrate chirst. You are just dancing around the question he asked you. I didnt know you are such a skillful dancer.
Lol.....I sabi dance o for real life but not when it comes to scriptural issues............if you had been listening,the catholics had to gloss the pagan festivals to attract pagans but it didn't work........instead the christians have turned out pagans........neither are you or the pagans celebrating christ....you both are seriously on your own.............you have to face the truth and let go of xmas...........if not you go be follow follow of pagans......smh!!!!!......
Christianity EtcRe: *~ Goshen360 Voted Religion Section Poster Of 2012*~ Congratulations! by ijawkid(m): 11:17am On Dec 26, 2012
Bélla3: I TRUST YOU.

Erm erm, the bill below:

isi ewu=40k(na oga Goshen finish am.
Fried rice=6k na plapville and ATMC finish am.
Red wine=30k(na buzugee, frm spirit wey finish am. He got a little help from Goshen)
Salad=10k(na al those oyinbo bred na we no let the salad rest)
poundo and egusi=20k(when seriallink and ijawkid pounced on it, i knew it was gone.
Champagne=100k(the heathens, logicboy, muskeetoes..etc where al sneaking in 4 a drink wink
water na free.


total=260k
How you take know say I like pounded yam??....my sister I like am no be small ooo......grin
Christianity EtcRe: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by ijawkid(m): 10:26am On Dec 26, 2012
Zikkyy: No wahala. We can start from today, visit NL bar and have a drink or two on me. I get credit line for there. I still get leftover of drinks specially purchased for Xmas merry-ment. I fit package some for you specially wrapped in Santa designed wrapper. I fit get Santa to deliver self. Just drop your delivery address grin
Lol....no send santa come my door o....lol......grin..........
Christianity EtcRe: *~ Goshen360 Voted Religion Section Poster Of 2012*~ Congratulations! by ijawkid(m): 9:41am On Dec 26, 2012
@my elder bro GOSHEN...I say CONGRAtulobia........

@logicboy........you did good too........you can do better next year.......
Christianity EtcRe: *~ Goshen360 Voted Religion Section Poster Of 2012*~ Congratulations! by ijawkid(m): 9:27am On Dec 26, 2012
Reyginus: My own poem for logicboy.
KHARMA
We lived under the tongue of the weaverbird
In thatches our roof she weaved
Our medulla tortured by her verbal bullets
Decorated, we adorn muskeetos gradually
Then it happened one day
Our arsenal repackaged
We became the courier of the weaverbirds favourite sermon
Who says toba is not a good leader?
He loved her, as she has hated him and us
Then we found peace
grin
Christianity EtcRe: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by ijawkid(m): 7:56am On Dec 26, 2012
Zikkyy: You see yourself. You keep dancing around. Afraid to take a stand. Now you have denied the position you took earlier.
I don talk wetin dey my belle...............who does nt know that engaging in pagan infested celebrations or festivities is a sin??......na for my mouth you wan hear am??.......zikki ooo....grin.....

We fit rest now??......after today don pass just buy me dring e hear....grin
Christianity EtcRe: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by ijawkid(m):
Zikkyy: Thanks. I can conclude from your post above that celebrating Christ is not a sin. You are just not happy that the pagans beat you to it grin Meaning if it was started by Christians and done my way, there will be no problem. I can live with that.
Ok let me say it out clearly before you read a wrong meaning to all what I've been saying.............its a sin to immerse Christ into pagaÑism.....so engaging in xmas celebration is a SIN.....you don rest??.......

The truth is no right thinking christian would have even started the celebration of Christs birthday.........celebrating birthdays itself was associated with pagans.........don't you get it zikky??...............smh!!!!!.............celebrating Jesus' birthday is nothing but waste of time.........these are my final words......FLEE from paganism.......thank you.....
Christianity EtcRe: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by ijawkid(m): 1:16am On Dec 26, 2012
Zikkyy: Oga truthislight, why do you keep repeating what we already know.Just answer the simple question, and lets close this case.
You still wan know wether to do xmas na sin??.........grin
Christianity EtcRe: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by ijawkid(m): 1:14am On Dec 26, 2012
Zikkyy: Lol! exposing me to what? ehn sister plappville? if you rely on what you read here to determine my true character, you don dive rock be that! grin

I don't know what truth you want me to accept. is it your version of the truth or ijawkid's version of the truth? What pagan feast am i keeping if on Christmas day i decided to spend some quality time with my family? You are yet to tell me what is pagan about peeps 'chopulating' specially prepared Christmas rice and chicken on December 25th grin Was the chicken purchased from a sango shrine?
Smh!!!!................is the chicken the issue or the festival itself..............zikky you are not being sincere I have to tell you.........after exposing the date of birth of Jesus as a fraud you still press forward that we give you a suitable date for you to celebrate it,even when Jesus never begged you to.......can't you be content with the date of Jesus' death........??......this is what happens when we lean on our own understanding and shoving scriptural principles aside.....I hope you've read serrialinks reply on the use of trees in festivities......it had its origin in paganism...........now just realize that the xmas tree hanging in your living room has nothing to do with Jesus.............like I said earlier and would say again xmas is a big fraud and an insult to our Lord............

Celebrate the xmas for all you want,but don't mention Jesus in it......Jesus has never been part of xmas.........
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And please I have no version of truth.......no go put me for wahala o......grin.......
Christianity EtcRe: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by ijawkid(m): 11:25pm On Dec 25, 2012
Zikkyy: Lol! grin but this should not stop you from answering my question na. I have difficulty progressing without an answer to my question.
Lol.....zikky I've always known you to be a sincere person........with all the facts presented I believe you should be able to answer the question you asked me..............you wan put me for tight corner I think??.........grin
Christianity EtcRe: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by ijawkid(m): 8:52pm On Dec 25, 2012
alexleo: And you were the person that told me if Jesus was around now he will wear suit and trouser. What makes you think he will not allow us to celebrate him if he was here?
Hmmmm.....it is 100 percent affirmative that Jesus would wear clothes(trouser suit and tie or even agbada) in our time,but also 100 percent affirmative that he would never get close to christmas celebration.....and I suppose you know why.....Jesus isn't a SUN god worshipper so he would stay far away from xmas celebration......
Christianity EtcRe: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by ijawkid(m): 7:47pm On Dec 25, 2012
alexleo: Thats you opinion and it doesnt hold water. You are not Jesus. You cant also claim be close to Jesus or understand the bible more than any of us.
I'm not claiming I understand d scriptures more than y'all do......I'm only pointing out what the scriptures never supports......we can't close eyes and think its right to celebrate paganism........
Christianity EtcRe: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by ijawkid(m): 7:34pm On Dec 25, 2012
Zikkyy: You already sentenced me by saying am part of an idolatrous worship. If you cannot answer the question, then you have no basis/justification condemning the celebration of Christ birth. simple.
We can't actually condemn you na...na the celebration we dey condemn....we are only telling you bro zikky to keep off xmas if u really wanna follow Jesus' foot steps closely...that's all......
Christianity EtcRe: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by ijawkid(m): 7:30pm On Dec 25, 2012
Zikkyy: Oga, stop dancing azonto round my question angry just answer yes or no then provide support that's all. So is my action a sin? simple yes or no dey hard again angry
Na for my mouth you wan hear say yansh dey for back??.....zikky take time o......grin
Christianity EtcRe: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by ijawkid(m): 7:27pm On Dec 25, 2012
alexleo: Wether it was a pope that brought the idea or any pastor is not the issue here. What matters to us is that we are celebrating the birth of Jesus.
And for your info is non of Jesus' business.......Jesus has no dealings with you celebrating his birthday........you are on your own........presumptuousness at its peak.....
Christianity EtcRe: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by ijawkid(m): 7:25pm On Dec 25, 2012
Zikkyy: You are still not saying anything. All i read is fraud, pagan and nothing else in your post. Let me help you out.
1. Christmas is pagan because it is a sin to celebrate the birth of Christ
2. Christmas is pagan because it was instituted by pagans (catholic church)
3. Christmas is pagan because it involves sinful activities like human sacrifice
4. Christmas is pagan because it celebrated by both pagans and Christians today

If you provide statement like the above, am sure we can end this discussion with just a page of brain storming. If you select item #1 for example will make items 2-4 totally irrelevant for discussion. So we have a focus kindly tell us in clear english why Christmas is pagan.
Christmas is pagan because everything about it was gotten from idol worshiPpers a.k.a pagans....is this answer not clear enough for you??.........

You can also ask yourself this question to help you with an answer to your question...

Would Jesus and the apostles do christmas??........YES or NO.....
Christianity EtcRe: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by ijawkid(m): 5:06pm On Dec 25, 2012
alexleo: The angels celebrated the birth of christ and if you are talking about how people celebrate it in our time thats a different issue. But condemning the whole idea of celebrating the birth of christ is where i disagree with you. There is nothing wrong in having a family worship or going to church service or giving gifts on this day to celebrate that once upon a time in bethlehem Jesus was born. Am not even arguing that 25th december is the exact date. I just see it as a day we remember the birth of Jesus. I dont even care about the name christmas or xmas (as some of you call it). I only care about the birth of Jesus that is being celebrated.
My bro the basis for celebrating xmas is a shaky one.......no reason whatso ever can make xmas plausible as far as the scriptures are concerned..........you can always have good times as a family,but let it not be because of xmas..........

What should matter to us as christians is Christs sacrificial death......nothing more nothing less.......
Christianity EtcRe: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by ijawkid(m): 4:43pm On Dec 25, 2012
Paxchal: you didn't answer me o. When the angels and Shepherd celebrated the birth of christ were they doing pagan things? If God was against celebrating Christ birth why would his Angels do it? grin
Did the angels commemorate it??................the angels were happy that the means through which God would save mankind has been sent to the earth.....you think the angels were dancing azonto exchanging gifts in heaven because Jesus was born??......you think after that day Jesus was born d angels commemorated Jesus' birthday year in year out??............
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All Jews back then were happy that the long promised messiah had been born,but commemorating the birthday of the meSsiah was never part of there agenda ...........never!!!!!........the idea of memorializing the birthday of Jesus stemmed from professed christians who did not want to abandon paganism completely..........
Christianity EtcRe: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by ijawkid(m): 2:57pm On Dec 25, 2012
alexleo: Blind argument. If Jesus wasnt born would he have died? And if not for his death whats the need of him being born?
The song you sing is coined from the bible abi? The birth of JESUS we celebrate is in the bible. Luke 2:9-15,20. The angels and the shepherd celebrated it and thats what we are doing.
Smh!!!!!...........the angels and shepherds celebrated xmas??......are you dreaming??....oya please tell me date the angels and shepherd celebrated christs birth and if they commemorated it.........did they commemorate it like you are doing??...did they run around with xmas trees in heaven and firing knockouts??.............oh now you see that the customs of christmas are an exact replica of pagan celebration.....
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And as regards Jesus' birth you err......Jesus' birth could not have meant much as his death,because he had existed before descending to the earth.........it is death that Jesus had to taste before we can gain salvation that is why he said it with his mouth that the last supper be commemorated exactly the way he did it.....you see how Jesus set the pace in the way Christians should observe the last supper??.......nothing about xmas is in the scriptures......nothing!!!!!
Christianity EtcRe: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by ijawkid(m): 2:26pm On Dec 25, 2012
alexleo: And you doged the simple question i asked. Did Jesus wear trouser and suit? Why do you wear them? The songs you sing in your church was it Jesus that composed it?
Again Jesus had no need to celebrate his birthday because to him, his birth meant sorrow,pain and carrying of our sins which was quite a bitter cup for him to drink. But to us, his birth means redemption, victory and eternal life thats why we are the ones that should celebrate rather than Jesus.
Oh now you are giving a yeye reason why Jesus shouldn't have celebrated his birthday??......how important is a birthday celebration without the celebrant participating in it??so now if Jesus didn't see the need to celebrate or commemorate his birthday as the pagans around him did back then,did he beg you to do it for him??..........and did his apostles do it??so why you??other christians existed before the 3rd century,why didn't they celebrate xmas??


And for clarity sake Jesus' birth is not what brought redemption,it was his death.........go and read your bible well........if Jesus didn't die we won't be here..........it was his death all along that was to save mankind.......
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The songs I sing in the church are all coined from scriptural verses........so I'm on track....the moment I steal jarule's song or nicki minaj's song and squeeze Jesus into it then I'll be in trouble........u dey hear??....
Christianity EtcRe: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by ijawkid(m): 2:20pm On Dec 25, 2012
Zikkyy: Pagans did not celebrate Christ. So what's this talk about stealing a pagan festival?
How did you get your xmas now??...if them be no snatch pagan holiday you for dey do xmas today??........xmas was snatched.........return what is pagan to the pagans.....
Zikkyy: Are you now saying we should adopt the laws of the old testament?
NOPE....I'm only saying let us not be presumptuous........especially when it comes to matters of Christ and his Father (Yahweh)..........I gave the examples of the isrealites as a a warning example for all xmas celebrants..........
Christianity EtcRe: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by ijawkid(m): 2:16pm On Dec 25, 2012
Zikkyy: You are not saying anything. Tell me How. That was my question. for example, is it the fact that everybody including pagans give gift? Please list these pagan acts you are talking about. I hope you will not avoid this post smiley
Have you gone through pagan9ja's link I dropped on this post.....go through it and see how xmas aint different from the sun god worshippers that started off what you have as xmas celebration.....

Don't let pagans set the pace in ways of worship bro........
Christianity EtcRe: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by ijawkid(m): 2:14pm On Dec 25, 2012
Zikkyy: Whose truth? your truth or Christ's truth?
Truth about CHrist and what he stands for........Jesus is not a pagan figure that needs his birthday to be celebrated..........don't claim xmas if for Jesus because its a lie....rather xmas is for persons who want to indulge in the excesses.....the banga's and knock outs thrown through out the season and the rice and chicken everyone would eat today means nothing to christ..............because he never instituted this......
Christianity EtcRe: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by ijawkid(m): 2:10pm On Dec 25, 2012
alexleo: And you want to tell me that everything you do in life was instituted by you. The songs you sing in church was composed by you ijawkid? And because a pope institued christmas does that make it sin? So even when a pope brings out a good idea we should reject it because we are not catholics? No sir. Christmas is a fraud and an insult on Jesus only in your view. Not in other people's views.
Its a fraud and an insult my bro.......you are celebrating a LIE..!!!!!!....don't you get it??........how can you mix Jesus with a myth??......how does it work??..........everything I try to do I make sure I go through bible principles to see if my actions allign with them.........be it songs,clothing and what have you........xmas is just glaringly wrong......its all pagan and a LIE....by celebrating xmas you have absolutely nothing to teach a pagan........you have totally made freinds with the world.....
Christianity EtcRe: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by ijawkid(m): 2:06pm On Dec 25, 2012
alexleo: Yes we dont see anything unbiblical about these things and if you call us catholics for this reason, no problem.
Now This is stubbornness...............a catholic POPE steals a pagan celebration,also institutes a date (dec 25th) and paints this pagan festival with Jesus and gives you to eat,and you sit down comfortably to eat...........

Tell me how this connects to Jesus??.......where is Jesus in the xmas you do??....
Christianity EtcRe: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by ijawkid(m): 2:03pm On Dec 25, 2012
alexleo: Because what they are accusing us of is baseless and has no biblical backing. They are just talking out of their personal likes and dislikes.
That is where you err bro....you err.........

If the apostles who were saw and ate with Jesus never for once thought of celebrating his birthday then what are y'all doing??..........xmas has no aim.....can't you see it??........the pagans are very soon going to get there celebration back,that's when it'll dawn on y'all that xmas has been fruitless and pagan all along......
Christianity EtcRe: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by ijawkid(m): 2:01pm On Dec 25, 2012
Zikkyy: Why is the anti-xmas community avoiding this question na? angry
It will also be wrong my bro......that would be presumptuousness........did Jesus tell you to......this is why I say it is the celebrants of the xmas that end up been selfish.....you project your own longing for merriment and feel you can squeeze Jesus into it........
1...Did Jesus celebrate his own birthday??NO
2...Did he beg or command his disciples to commemorate his birthday after his ascension??.....NO...

So why on earth would you wanna celebrate his birthday??...........

Let the figure you are celebrating give the go-ahead first.........and worse of all you have rubbed Jesus along with paganism........that's why I say its an insult to Jesus......he would be shaking his head in heaven......
Christianity EtcRe: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by ijawkid(m): 10:54am On Dec 25, 2012
Reyginus: Ijawkid, do you believe that your beliefs are perfect and that of others flawed?
this is not about belief,this is about the truth and how Christ would look at things...let's be sincere to ourselves.......let people just say they wanna party ,rather than snatch paganism and put Jesus in front as the reason for the celebration...........

What has the xmas celebration achieved??......
Christianity EtcRe: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by ijawkid(m): 10:50am On Dec 25, 2012
Reyginus: Word.
What word??....ask alexleo if the pope who instituted the xmas celebration and fixing it on december 25th had not done it would (alexleo) be celebrating xmas today.....??......

Alexleo celebrates xmas because he saw people doing it not because he on his own would have engaged in it..........isn't the observance of the death of Jesus Christ enough for christians to commemorate according to Jesus' command??..........

Christmas is an outright fraud and an insult on Jesus......
Christianity EtcRe: Christians, Can You Trace The History Of Your Feastival......? by ijawkid(m): 10:45am On Dec 25, 2012
alexleo: And i ask, did christ wear trousers. Did he wear suit? Why are you not wearig his type of garment since you want to do it exactly the way he did things. Where did the bible tell us to wear ttouser and suit?
Hmmmm......your comparing clothing(a necessity) with a pagan observance shows how deep the xmas has gotten into you..................if Jesus was alive today he would wear trousers...if not he'll walk around butt naked.........you surprise me with your analogies......if early christians had to abandon jewish festivals which they were once commanded to observe just to make sure they follow Christ,I wonder why you guys would steal a pagan festival to celebrate Christ and expect Christ to open his teeth and smile...........................for your info the bible encouraged wearing of clothes............but you do know bible principles as regards paganism and idol worship..............if you had existed in the times of the isrealite and you adopt pagan customs even if you choose to use it to serve God,you'll be struck dead............

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